Fantasy Laxus Dreyar vs Erza Scarlet

[Demon Hunter]

ajeel isnt weaker than wahl. infact wahl will lose to him, after all wahl is made of metal, kinda like those swords, which turned to dust after hitting ajeel.

Spoiler

Wall is stronger than Ajeel.

no, i am actually making a comparison like you tried to when you said look at ajeel and wahl fight.
if ajeel and wahl are equal
only then do we get lb laxus is faster than non red pant and fast armor erza
and then we also get
nakamaized laxus red lightening with extra effectiveness equal or around erza nakagami.

becuase nakamized laxus should be logically above erza.
and we havent seen nakamaized erza yet
other than small event in which she stopped end mode natsu punch.
loved the people comments though, how people thought his punch should have destroyed erza hands not just injured them.

having bigger MP doesn't mean you are stronger lol. just look at all Spriggan fights.

Erza has PoF in every fight she is in. not a good argument.

besides, Red Lightning seemingly is not above regular lightning. manga made it confusing. its lightning with another property which Wall couldn't analyze

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[Seven777]

yes, Wall is stronger than Ajeel and no he wouldn't turn into dust. wtf lol.

his only weakness is lightning and Ajeel's Sands of Death can kill everyone if they are touched by it. Wall would just nuke everything.

oh and he is organic metal machine. guy was unfazed by his Sandstorm.

having bigger MP doesn't mean you are stronger lol. just look at all Spriggan fights.

besides, Red Lightning seemingly is not above regular lightning. manga made it confusing. its lightning with another property which Wall couldn't analyze

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So Red Lightning is actually explosive lightning? I guess that explains why Wahl was obliterated

 

[Demon Hunter]

So Red Lightning is actually explosive lightning? I guess that explains why Wahl was obliterated

yeah.

it bypassed Wall's immunity and Wall's vulnerability to lightning was still there. add that Laxus is extremely powerful and he gets killed. in fact, Wall did pretty well considering that Laxus needed to make his Red Lightning even stronger just to kill him.

 

[Brandish μ]

besides, Red Lightning seemingly is not above regular lightning. manga made it confusing. its lightning with another property which Wall couldn't analyze

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Where was that taken from if you don't mind me asking? If it's an explosive component, then that could explain how he overcame the immunity.

 

[Demon Hunter]

Where was that taken from if you don't mind me asking? If it's an explosive component, then that could explain how he overcame the immunity.

it was from one of the volumes.

straight from reddit.

 

[Seven777]

yeah.

it bypassed Wall's immunity and Wall's vulnerability to lightning was still there. add that Laxus is extremely powerful and he gets killed. in fact, Wall did pretty well considering that Laxus needed to make his Red Lightning even stronger just to kill him.

But if Red Lightning was different enough to bypass Wahl's immunity, shouldnt it also be different enough to bypass Wahl's vulnerability to it? The chapter didnt really portray Wahl as especially weak to that attack, simply capable of being damaged by it.

 

[Demon Hunter]

But if Red Lightning was different enough to bypass Wahl's immunity, shouldnt it also be different enough to bypass Wahl's vulnerability to it? The chapter didnt really portray Wahl as especially weak to that attack, simply capable of being damaged by it.

true but Red Lightning is still lightning after all.

I doubt that lightning completely changed into another element completely.

we do know that Wall is very weak to lightning but he found a way to overcome his only weakness which was lightning.

Red Lightning - still lightning+another property.

I mean, we should be logical in this case.

 

[Seven777]

true but Red Lightning is still lightning after all.

I doubt that lightning completely changed into another element completely.

we do know that Wall is very weak to lightning but he found a way to overcome his only weakness which was lightning.

Red Lightning - still lightning+another property.

Hrm, maybe, but as i see it if that was the case Wahl would have resisted the lightning aspect of Red Lightning, taking most of the damage from the "Mercury Fulminate" aspect. I mean there is no reason to suspect that Wahl 's immunity can simply be bypassed, or that bypassing it actually leaves Wahl with his old vulnerability, or that his vulnerability is even applicable to an attack that was so different from normal lightning that Wahl's immunity didnt affect it.
Imo if this was the case there would have been more emphasis put into it in the actual chapter, could be wrong of course but thats the way i see it.

 

[Demon Hunter]

Hrm, maybe, but as i see it if that was the case Wahl would have resisted the lightning aspect of Red Lightning, taking most of the damage from the "Mercury Fulminate" aspect. I mean there is no reason to suspect that Wahl 's immunity can simply be bypassed, or that bypassing it actually leaves Wahl with his old vulnerability, or that his vulnerability is even applicable to an attack that was so different from normal lightning that Wahl's immunity didnt affect it.
Imo if this was the case there would have been more emphasis put into it in the actual chapter, could be wrong of course but thats the way i see it.

you could be right ofc.

I just go by this:

Wall couldn't analyze it - no immunity to that lightning(he absorbs the lightning) - instant death by an extremely powerful wizard.

I'm just going by what it makes the most sense even though it wasn't emphasized.

you could be right though but I think this makes the most sense imo.

 

[Laxus chan-yo]

Laxus wins low diff. After Irene fight Erza's probably gonna have a power up that allows her to surpass him, but as for now he is still much more superior.

Just wait for the subsequent August fight bro
Pecking order will be restored

 

[sharkai]

So the massive sand tsunami is a casual spell? Natsu, Erza, Gray, Wendy, Lucy and Marakov are fodders now?

yes.
do you you honestly think that ajeel thought of them as anything more

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Spoiler

Wall stronger than Ajeel.



having bigger MP doesn't mean you are stronger lol. just look at all Spriggan fights.

Erza has PoF in every fight she is in. not a good argument.

besides, Red Lightning seemingly is not above regular lightning. manga made it confusing. its lightning with another property which Wall couldn't analyze

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no he is not. just fans favoritism.

mp is everything next to hp. thats why the fairies were shocked (they definitly werent like "o she just got the biggest dik, we can just chop it off"), and natsu was trying to hold back igneel powers.
mishma standard hype method. are you seriously planning on doing some awesome mental gymnastic to defend mishma hype

she didnt have nakama boost in ajeel fight, unlike laxus.

red lightening is lightening that surpasses lightening. basically it had nakama power in it. thats it.
wahl couldnt analyze it so he was super weak to it. end of story, no need to do phd on it. mishma made it up in probably five seconds and probably only using two neurons max.

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If Laxus fights Acno it'll be with the 6 other Slayers.
Apparently it doesnt since Azir's near death experience with Erza didnt change him at all.

Yeah I am afraid she was, Kyoka started crushing Erza under her heel, and THEN she took her senses afterwards.

Spoiler

Still had her senses, even had her armor on.

Yes, Historia Wahl did more damage to Minerva than combat Wahl did to MBP Laxus, which means MBP Laxus>>>Minerva, since we got a character statement saying spriggan Historia's<the originals

Sure, he does fine indirect DoT damage, on that i agree, but that suits Erza just fine cause her endurance>>her durability, enduring DoT attacks would be much easier for her than tanking direct ones.

and probably with erza leading the charge.
till natsu takes over

o there is a misunderstanding here.
you categorize pain hax and senses hax as two separate hax as you should. i just simplify it, so i repeat
erza had plenty of time and she was fighting fine, till koyoka released her hax, her pain hax. which allowed her eventually to step on erza.
so unless you believe in NLF hypothesis (which was clearly and doubtlessly proven when mest fuked up brandish),
we have to think that it wouldnt have mattered if it was levy, erza, jura or hybrion. all after getting hit by the pain hax, would fall just like erza. and then repeat.

so erza was holding back, because she didnt know the extent of koyoka hax. then when she went serious
cant believe i am trying to defend ass pulls now

and we know for a fact that character statements are correct right? every time?

it would matter actually, but DOT would be hard to scale, because it side step endurance.
normal attack would be better because than erza has durability plus endurance
unlike in ajeel case where she just had endurance

 

[Demon Hunter]

no he is not. just fans favoritism.

you mean yours but whatever. lets drop this.

mp is everything next to hp. thats why the fairies were shocked (they definitly werent like "o she just got the biggest dik, we can just chop it off"), and natsu was trying to hold back igneel powers.
mishma standard hype method. are you seriously planning on doing some awesome mental gymnastic to defend mishma hype

she didnt have nakama boost in ajeel fight, unlike laxus.

red lightening is lightening that surpasses lightening. basically it had nakama power in it. thats it.
wahl couldnt analyze it so he was super weak to it. end of story, no need to do phd on it. mishma made it up in probably five seconds and probably only using two neurons max.

I already posted what RL is. its an explosive property. if Wall wasn't immune to lightning then every damage Laxus has done via lightning would have been bigger. not that it matters because Laxus shitted on Ajeel.

she was getting stomped by Ajeel. end of story.

without Bisca she would have been dead. Ajeel was no diffting her lol.

end of story.

and no, MP is not everything. Jacob's attack power and durability is shit.

you can have the last word if you want.

either way, Laxus takes this with low - mid diff.

 

[Seven777]

and probably with erza leading the charge.
till natsu takes over

o there is a misunderstanding here.
you categorize pain hax and senses hax as two separate hax as you should. i just simplify it, so i repeat
erza had plenty of time and she was fighting fine, till koyoka released her hax, her pain hax. which allowed her eventually to step on erza.
so unless you believe in NLF hypothesis (which was clearly and doubtlessly proven when mest fuked up brandish),
we have to think that it wouldnt have mattered if it was levy, erza, jura or hybrion. all after getting hit by the pain hax, would fall just like erza. and then repeat.

so erza was holding back, because she didnt know the extent of koyoka hax. then when she went serious
cant believe i am trying to defend ass pulls now

and we know for a fact that character statements are correct right? every time?

it would matter actually, but DOT would be hard to scale, because it side step endurance.
normal attack would be better because than erza has durability plus endurance
unlike in ajeel case where she just had endurance

Possibly, but Natsu leading is far more likely.

I believe different hax works differently, some hax can be shrugged off if you're too powerful, or if you're simply prepared, some cant.
As for Kyoka's pain "hax", i have everyone being affected by it, but stronger people laughing off the pain, or simply fighting through it like Erza or DF Wendy.
Besides the fact is that Erza's could neither dodge nor prevent Kyoka from releasing her Sensation Curse, so she received the damage she was due for letting it hit her, any follow up hits are on her too for not tanking it better.

Uh... dont know how anything you said explains or even relates to how Erza was holding back. Her friend/family's lives were in danger, the world was in danger, she was getting her ass kicked, she wasnt holding back.

Dude... Spriggans>>their Historias... Gildarts says so, word of Gildarts or any other manga character>>>>>>Your opinion... jeeze.

Hard to scale, sure, but not really cause Elfman and Lisanna are handling it alright.

 

[sharkai]

you mean yours but whatever. lets drop this.

I already posted what RL is. its an explosive property. if Wall wasn't immune to lightning then every damage Laxus has done via lightning would have been bigger. not that it matters because Laxus shitted on Ajeel.

she was getting stomped by Ajeel. end of story.

without Bisca she would have been dead. Ajeel was no diffting her lol.

end of story.

and no, MP is not everything. Jacob's attack power and durability is shit.

you can have the last word if you want.

either way, Laxus takes this with low - mid diff.

No i mean yours. I don't know who is stronger between them. I am just talking about ajeel magic.
People. Just rank Wahl higher basically he couldn't even kill a half dead laxus.

Ajeel only got anywhere with erza because of his magical advantage and his hax. Put anyone of his caliber without ability to make erza sight useless, erza would win every time.

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Possibly, but Natsu leading is far more likely.

I believe different hax works differently, some hax can be shrugged off if you're too powerful, or if you're simply prepared, some cant.
As for Kyoka's pain "hax", i have everyone being affected by it, but stronger people laughing off the pain, or simply fighting through it like Erza or DF Wendy.
Besides the fact is that Erza's could neither dodge nor prevent Kyoka from releasing her Sensation Curse, so she received the damage she was due for letting it hit her, any follow up hits are on her too for not tanking it better.

Uh... dont know how anything you said explains or even relates to how Erza was holding back. Her friend/family's lives were in danger, the world was in danger, she was getting her ass kicked, she wasnt holding back.

Dude... Spriggans>>their Historias... Gildarts says so, word of Gildarts or any other manga character>>>>>>Your opinion... jeeze.

Hard to scale, sure, but not really cause Elfman and Lisanna are handling it alright.

Doesn't have to be. Stronger character have indeed been taged by weaker character.
Why can't erza not be taking it easy then. She had plenty of time.
Natsu in this arc took Jacob easily enough. And he threaten to kill everyone as well.

You make a good point. Any character statement should be above people opnion right?
Thanks God we have that cleared
So now we have
Ff erza> ff laxus
And
GMG sting =GMG rouge > gmg natsu
I will agree with you on the above

Lisana will survive just like levy survived. And against acno most ds will survive. Yet hybrion won't survive against Serena.

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My point is simple
If wahl vs half dead laxus is indeed taken as valid feat
Then maybe aconologia can defeat laxus. Maybe
But judging by how easy Cana took out brandish and dimeria took out brandish and how easily brandish critically injured August.
Along with how Wahl, Bradman and ajeel could not put down fairies after repeated hits makes it clear.
Laxus only won because all fairies won. Replace him with anyone else with same condition they would win too.
If you want to say something like hald dead laxus > normal springgan
Then you should also agree with
Senseless Tartarus erza > any nine demon gates
Also sensless Tartarus erza > Tartarus natsu

I believe neither.
Tartarus erza > koyoka
And laxus > Wahl
Nothing more. Nothing less.

 

[M3J]

Laxus.

 

[Seven777]

Doesn't have to be. Stronger character have indeed been taged by weaker character.
Why can't erza not be taking it easy then. She had plenty of time.
Natsu in this arc took Jacob easily enough. And he threaten to kill everyone as well.

You make a good point. Any character statement should be above people opnion right?
Thanks God we have that cleared
So now we have
Ff erza> ff laxus
And
GMG sting =GMG rouge > gmg natsu
I will agree with you on the above

Lisana will survive just like levy survived. And against acno most ds will survive. Yet hybrion won't survive against Serena.

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My point is simple
If wahl vs half dead laxus is indeed taken as valid feat
Then maybe aconologia can defeat laxus. Maybe
But judging by how easy Cana took out brandish and dimeria took out brandish and how easily brandish critically injured August.
Along with how Wahl, Bradman and ajeel could not put down fairies after repeated hits makes it clear.
Laxus only won because all fairies won. Replace him with anyone else with same condition they would win too.
If you want to say something like hald dead laxus > normal springgan
Then you should also agree with
Senseless Tartarus erza > any nine demon gates
Also sensless Tartarus erza > Tartarus natsu

I believe neither.
Tartarus erza > koyoka
And laxus > Wahl
Nothing more. Nothing less.

What doesnt have to be stronger? Hax? Yeah, like i said, depends on the hax, but Age Scratch>>Pain Sensation, and Wendy tanked it pretty well.
No she didnt, she ran out of time, she failed.
Erza takes everything more seriously than Natsu, she also doesnt underestimate her enemies, i mean was she holding back against Azuma when he made the deal about restoring Fairy Tail power? No, she knew the stakes and did her best to win, same situation here except the stakes are even higher, and Erza was trying even harder.

Uh... no, Erza has never been stated to be above Laxus, and GMG Sting has never been said to be above Natsu, at least not by anyone other than himself.

Sure, Levy survived, and i'll rate Azir's Whirlwind equivalent to Bradman's Tenchi Kami because of this.

How does half dead Laxus surviving Wahl's attacks make him on par with Acno? If Acno was dying from some dragon sickness equivalent to MBPs, Wahl would still need to sit there firing off Etherion at him for a year before Acno even realizes he is getting attacked by someone, and when he does realize he just oneshots Wahl anyway, the guy is a match or much more likely a superior to Zeref with Fairy Heart, a magic with the power to easily fire off a thousand Council Etherions, Laxus, Natsu and anyone else get destroyed by him

Cana took out Brandish with a surprise attack, plus comedy, Brandish hurt August with a surprise attack(didnt even slow him down).
Good guys have better endurance than bad guys.

Sure, senseless Erza>any of the demon gates/Tartaros Natsu, its as i've always said.

Sure
Tartaros Erza>Kyoka and Laxus>Wahl.

Kyoka is a lot closer to Erza than Wahl is to Laxus though, cause Erza received her handicaps from Kyoka herself, she wasnt able to dodge, prevent or tank the attack, and for that we have to give Kyoka credit, Laxus however received his handicaps pre battle, Wahl doesnt get credit for a previous injury Laxus received, at best you can say Wahl was impressive for being immune to Lightning, but even then thats more luck cause he happened to be fighting Laxus.

 

[LighteningLord]

Laxus could defeat Erza thrice before she can hit him full in face. Laxus stomps and wins the match easily low diff.

 

[Demon Hunter]

No i mean yours. I don't know who is stronger between them. I am just talking about ajeel magic.
People. Just rank Wahl higher basically he couldn't even kill a half dead laxus.

ahem no. Wall is the best of the Spriggans in CQC bar August and Irene(sending Laxus flying through a city block with a punch or two before Laxus got weakened by his sickness)and base Wall stalemated Laxus in physical strength, not to mention his Historia was extreme diffted by Minerva who is a solid mid tier mage. plus, he has Weakness magic which can counter pretty much anyone and he has nukes.

Ajeel is strong but against Laxus he gets stomped which is what we are comparing.

Laxus >>>> Ajeel >>> Erza

that's the main thing here. forget Wall vs Ajeel.

Ajeel only got anywhere with erza because of his magical advantage and his hax. Put anyone of his caliber without ability to make erza sight useless, erza would win every time.

Ajeel was restricted as well as Erza. if he was on ground he would have stomped Erza much more easily. Wall was also restricted because he didn't use Weakness magic, Super Long Distance Anti-Material Magic Cannon and Etherion Cannon because plot..

 

[sharkai]

What doesnt have to be stronger? Hax? Yeah, like i said, depends on the hax, but Age Scratch>>Pain Sensation, and Wendy tanked it pretty well.
No she didnt, she ran out of time, she failed.
Erza takes everything more seriously than Natsu, she also doesnt underestimate her enemies, i mean was she holding back against Azuma when he made the deal about restoring Fairy Tail power? No, she knew the stakes and did her best to win, same situation here except the stakes are even higher, and Erza was trying even harder.

Uh... no, Erza has never been stated to be above Laxus, and GMG Sting has never been said to be above Natsu, at least not by anyone other than himself.

Sure, Levy survived, and i'll rate Azir's Whirlwind equivalent to Bradman's Tenchi Kami because of this.

How does half dead Laxus surviving Wahl's attacks make him on par with Acno? If Acno was dying from some dragon sickness equivalent to MBPs, Wahl would still need to sit there firing off Etherion at him for a year before Acno even realizes he is getting attacked by someone, and when he does realize he just oneshots Wahl anyway, the guy is a match or much more likely a superior to Zeref with Fairy Heart, a magic with the power to easily fire off a thousand Council Etherions, Laxus, Natsu and anyone else get destroyed by him

Cana took out Brandish with a surprise attack, plus comedy, Brandish hurt August with a surprise attack(didnt even slow him down).
Good guys have better endurance than bad guys.

Sure, senseless Erza>any of the demon gates/Tartaros Natsu, its as i've always said.

Sure
Tartaros Erza>Kyoka and Laxus>Wahl.

Kyoka is a lot closer to Erza than Wahl is to Laxus though, cause Erza received her handicaps from Kyoka herself, she wasnt able to dodge, prevent or tank the attack, and for that we have to give Kyoka credit, Laxus however received his handicaps pre battle, Wahl doesnt get credit for a previous injury Laxus received, at best you can say Wahl was impressive for being immune to Lightning, but even then thats more luck cause he happened to be fighting Laxus.

Agescratch isn't anywhere near koyoka hax
But dimeria full power blow is above wahl etherion

Markarov said erza could take out laxus in ff arc
Gmg stats showed sting to be stronger than natsu

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ahem no. Wall is the best of the Spriggans in CQC bar August and Irene(sending Laxus flying through a city block with a punch or two before Laxus got weakened by his sickness)and base Wall stalemated Laxus in physical strength, not to mention his Historia was extreme diffted by Minerva who is a solid mid tier mage. plus, he has Weakness magic which can counter pretty much anyone and he has nukes.

Ajeel is strong but against Laxus he gets stomped which is what we are comparing.

Laxus >>>> Ajeel >>> Erza

that's the main thing here. forget Wall vs Ajeel.



Ajeel was restricted as well as Erza. if he was on ground he would have stomped Erza much more easily. Wall was also restricted because he didn't use Weakness magic, Super Long Distance Anti-Material Magic Cannon and Etherion Cannon because plot..

Are we talking about the laxus who wahl thought shouldnt even be alive.
Lol
laxus physical strength omg.

What exactly could ajeel do on the ground which he couldnt do on air.
other than the golem and sand pit, he could probably do everything. And both are casual moves

Meanwhile erza couldnt use 90% of her magic

 

[Arjuna]

Agescratch isn't anywhere near koyoka hax
But dimeria full power blow is above wahl etherion

Markarov said erza could take out laxus in ff arc
Gmg stats showed sting to be stronger than natsu

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Are we talking about the laxus who wahl thought shouldnt even be alive.
Lol
laxus physical strength omg.

What exactly could ajeel do on the ground which he couldnt do on air.
other than the golem and sand pit, he could probably do everything. And both are casual moves

Meanwhile erza couldnt use 90% of her magic

Which stats.Jason's.It's coooooooool.



I have seen the Anime of FF Arc.Makarov said that if Natsu could unleash his potential then he could defeat Laxus.As far as i remember Makarov didn't say anyone can take down Laxus.