Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[Arjuna]

Except that DF IS also overrated when he couldn't beat mard geer with it also it debateable if he could have beat Jellal at the time. It also barely beat zero with it his other modes has proven to be stronger than DF. Natsu can't used DF ON his own will. He need something to trigger it (flame of emotions or an outside source) laxus r had to go all out because of his illness and was fighting some1 tha is resistant to his magic. End was able to stop dimaria time stop. END>=fdkm natsu. And? Erza was fighting be4 was able to stop both of their attacks that shouldn't be an excuse it's just mean the lack in the endurance department gray and natsu might have DC And raw power BUT erza has Better endurance and durability. Show me proof that gray and Natsu are over erza especially what was going on in the recent chapter erza feats r right now

just like one ajeel lost to elfman and lisanna and how Mira beat Jacob

In Tartaros Arc Natsu was the first Dragon Slayer who activated DF without outside influence.Wendy can do it now.So it's logical Natsu can do it too now.

Second Mard Geer had Curse power of 6000 at that time while Base Natsu had probably around 1000.So even DF can't cover this immense gap.But still Mard Geer couldn't react as long as DF was activated andd he got weakened.


Don't forget Laxus was sick and and Wahl had immunity to lightning,but Wahl too was weak to lightning without immunity as Machias race are weak to lightning as revealed in the fight against Ichiya & Freed VS Proxy Wahl.


Erza had recent feats because she had been enchanted by Wendy and due to DS advantages.While both Gray and Natsu has been defeating Spriggans without going all out.

 

[Kantos]

I'd say Erza has one of the best endurance feats in the manga, she's probably even ahead of Laxus in this department.

 

[Star Frost]

I'd say Erza has one of the best endurance feats in the manga, she's probably even ahead of Laxus in this department.

She might as well do since she can continue to try and fight while having all her bones broken besides her right arm to one-shot a meteor that's more advanced than Jellal's

 

[Arjuna]

I'd say Erza has one of the best endurance feats in the manga, she's probably even ahead of Laxus in this department.

To be honest you forgot to mention her stamina.If i had that kind of stamina then i would have won every Cricket matches.

Her Stamina is above any one else's.

 

[Kantos]

To be honest you forgot to mention her stamina.If i had that kind of stamina then i would have won every Cricket matches.

Her Stamina is above any one else's.

Well stamina pretty much correlates with endurance within it's conjecture, with very little differences in definition.

 

[Arjuna]

Well stamina pretty much correlates with endurance within it's conjecture, with very little differences in definition.

The two words can be used interchangeably. They both mean "staying power." However, stamina is more often associated with athletic power, the ability to run long distances, for instance, while endurance is associated with the ability to withstand hardship or suffering.

Don't ask me anything more.Copied it from a Dictionary.

 

[Kantos]

The two words can be used interchangeably. They both mean "staying power." However, stamina is more often associated with athletic power, the ability to run long distances, for instance, while endurance is associated with the ability to withstand hardship or suffering.

Don't ask me anything more.Copied it from a Dictionary.

Well in Erza's case, it can be applied for both, but fits more in endurance since she withstanding suffering toward her physical body.

 

[Crimson Ice]

In Tartaros Arc Natsu was the first Dragon Slayer who activated DF without outside influence.Wendy can do it now.So it's logical Natsu can do it too now.

Second Mard Geer had Curse power of 6000 at that time while Base Natsu had probably around 1000.So even DF can't cover this immense gap.But still Mard Geer couldn't react as long as DF was activated andd he got weakened.


Don't forget Laxus was sick and and Wahl had immunity to lightning,but Wahl too was weak to lightning without immunity as Machias race are weak to lightning as revealed in the fight against Ichiya & Freed VS Proxy Wahl.


Erza had recent feats because she had been enchanted by Wendy and due to DS advantages.While both Gray and Natsu has been defeating Spriggans without going all out.

Don't say it's logical for Natsu to be able to use it just because Wendy can, that logic doesn't fly here. If it really worked like that Gajeel would be able to use it by himself while Natsu would've pulled it out against Zeref if it was stronger than FDKM.

 

[Arjuna]

Don't say it's logical for Natsu to be able to use it just because Wendy can, that logic doesn't fly here. If it really worked like that Gajeel would be able to use it by himself while Natsu would've pulled it out against Zeref if it was stronger than FDKM.

Well you would have been right unless Natsu didn't show he could do this in Tartaros Arc without any outside power.That is 1 year before Wendy showed.Moreover,Wendy said she could do it only after training.And we know Natsu trained for 10 months.And why he didn't use DF yet?Well i believe we will see it soon.

And DF is the highest powerup any Dragon Slayer can have.So it's naturally DF>FDKM.

 

[Seven777]

Not too sure about DF surpassing FDKM. FDK is newer and the fact that he chose to enter it while empowered by Igneel's magic rather than Dragon Force kinda makes me think its the superior powerup

 

[Axiomus]

Not too sure about DF surpassing FDKM. FDK is newer and the fact that he chose to enter it while empowered by Igneel's magic rather than Dragon Force kinda makes me think its the superior powerup

I don't actually think FDK and Dragon Force have to be mutually exclusive. FDK involves using the same type of fire as Igneel, whilst dragon force is gaining the physical properties of a dragon. I see no reason why Natsu can't use FDK spells under dragon force. After all, we've seen Sting enter dragon force under WSD.

Don't say it's logical for Natsu to be able to use it just because Wendy can, that logic doesn't fly here. If it really worked like that Gajeel would be able to use it by himself while Natsu would've pulled it out against Zeref if it was stronger than FDKM.

The difference is that Natsu can use DF without an external power-up. He's already done it once in Tartarus. You could argue that he hasn't shown it again so maybe he hasn't figure out how to trigger it effectively, but that doesn't mean we're never going to see it again. It just means we're probably only going to see it when Natsu does get pushed to that point against Zeref or Acnologia in the future.

 

[LaGOAT]

Hence why I also said or flame of emotions.he needed something to trigger it when he saw gray tanking memento mori and was temporarily KO. Even zeref mention it in the recent chapters. If he can go DF at will he would have done it vs ZEREF. Also I don't know where ur getting these curse power numbers? the fact of matter is that he couldn't beat mard geer with it idc if he had more firepower than mard geer if he was able tank those hits then it's irrelevant. so no FDKM>DF until proven otherwise Plus zeref said he lost his dragonslayer powers. No sting didnt use DF while fused with WSD he simply just fused with rouge power.

 

[Seven777]

I don't actually think FDK and Dragon Force have to be mutually exclusive. FDK involves using the same type of fire as Igneel, whilst dragon force is gaining the physical properties of a dragon. I see no reason why Natsu can't use FDK spells under dragon force. After all, we've seen Sting enter dragon force under WSD.

Its possible, but i doubt it. Hard to imagine Phoenix Blade being replaced, unless there is an FDK version of it. As for Sting, his WSD mode seemed to automatically fuse with his Dragon Force, similar to Future Rogue's. I doubt he has a version of WSDM separate from his Dragon Force.

So while Natsu could have access to FDK spells while in Dragon Force, i doubt he'll actually be in FDK mode while also in Dragon Force. because like i said, if a powerup that surpassed FDKM alone was an option he would have used it against Zeref when he was empowered with Igneel's leftover magic.

 

[Arjuna]

Hence why I also said or flame of emotions.he needed something to trigger it when he saw gray tanking memento mori and was temporarily KO. Even zeref mention it in the recent chapters. If he can go DF at will he would have done it vs ZEREF. Also I don't know where ur getting these curse power numbers? the fact of matter is that he couldn't beat mard geer with it idc if he had more firepower than mard geer if he was able tank those hits then it's irrelevant. so no FDKM>DF until proven otherwise Plus zeref said he lost his dragonslayer powers. No sting didnt use DF while fused with WSD he simply just fused with rouge power.

Here the Tartaros Characters Stats given by the author himself.

Secondly,DF has been mentioned the highest form a Dragon Slayer can ever achieve.So naturally it is higher than any other form.It's Canon.We also have in the film Natsu half Dragonised which has been mentioned as DF.

Thirdly,since waking up Natsu has been using DS Magic.So i don't know why are you saying he lost his DS Magic when it has been shown otherwise.Zeref said he lost Igneel's power not his DS Magic itself.

And he didn't enter DF because he didn't need it till now.But sooner or later he will use it.

And Sting using DF and WSD form together well i will leave it to @Axiomus to explain it.

 

[Axiomus]

Its possible, but i doubt it. Hard to imagine Phoenix Blade being replaced, unless there is an FDK version of it. As for Sting, his WSD mode seemed to automatically fuse with his Dragon Force, similar to Future Rogue's. I doubt he has a version of WSDM separate from his Dragon Force.

So while Natsu could have access to FDK spells while in Dragon Force, i doubt he'll actually be in FDK mode while also in Dragon Force. because like i said, if a powerup that surpassed FDKM alone was an option he would have used it against Zeref when he was empowered with Igneel's leftover magic.

I don't know if Natsu has an FDK version of phoenix blade, but given that he's revised Exploding Flame Blade - there's probably an FDK version of that.

I think dragon force makes the mode redundant because it's the more powerful mode. A mode is basically where you're constantly using the same type of power. In this case, FDK mode is when Natsu constantly gives off Igneel's flames. When you're in dragon force, you gain the physicality of a dragon. I would argue that is a far greater advantage, since a dragon's best feats are their physical ones. There's nothing stopping Natsu from using any spell that he could already use in another mode though.

Natsu didn't use dragon force when he fought Motherglare either, despite actually having received an external power-up and being in a far more desperate situation than when he fought Mard Geer. I think this is one of the cases where the plot simply didn't demand for it, seeing as it wasn't going to be Natsu's final fight. Or that Hiro wanted Natsu to be pushed to the right emotional state before DF kicks in. Or both.

 

[Seven777]

I don't know if Natsu has an FDK version of phoenix blade, but given that he's revised Exploding Flame Blade - there's probably an FDK version of that.

I think dragon force makes the mode redundant because it's the more powerful mode. A mode is basically where you're constantly using the same type of power. In this case, FDK mode is when Natsu constantly gives off Igneel's flames. When you're in dragon force, you gain the physicality of a dragon. I would argue that is a far greater advantage, since a dragon's best feats are their physical ones. There's nothing stopping Natsu from using any spell that he could already use in another mode though.

Natsu didn't use dragon force when he fought Motherglare either, despite actually having received an external power-up and being in a far more desperate situation than when he fought Mard Geer. I think this is one of the cases where the plot simply didn't demand for it, seeing as it wasn't going to be Natsu's final fight.

The physicality of a dragon is still dependent on how powerful the mage is though. Imo using the fire of a dragon king like Igneel, probably even the strongest dragon king bar Acno, is a far greater advantage than just gaining the physicality of a simple dragon. But i suppose we just disagree on this point.

Natsu doesnt always go Dragon Force when given an external power, just like how he didnt go Dragon Force when he received Laxus' MP. I'd wager it depends on the specific type of power, it wasnt an option Natsu could pick and choose.
However now in Alvarez, it is likely that Natsu CAN choose to enter Dragon Force at will, he simply chose to enter another form against Zeref, more than likely a superior one. Of course i could be wrong, perhaps Natsu has yet to actually master DF and his use of it against Mard Geer was just a fluke that occurred due to the burst of emotions.

I dunno, for me Dragon Force has been cheapened ever since Sting and Rogue used it. Now with Wendy using it every bloody fight it seems far less special than something like FDK mode. FDK mode is something unique to Natsu, while DF is readily and almost casually available to every taught dragon slayer. Feels like the Natsu unique powerup would be the most powerful, because its the most special

 

[Axiomus]

The physicality of a dragon is still dependent on how powerful the mage is though. Imo using the fire of a dragon king like Igneel, probably even the strongest dragon king bar Acno, is a far greater advantage than just gaining the physicality of a simple dragon. But i suppose we just disagree on this point.

Natsu doesnt always go Dragon Force when given an external power, just like how he didnt go Dragon Force when he received Laxus' MP. I'd wager it depends on the specific type of power, it wasnt an option Natsu could pick and choose.
However now in Alvarez, it is likely that Natsu CAN choose to enter Dragon Force at will, he simply chose to enter another form against Zeref, more than likely a superior one. Of course i could be wrong, perhaps Natsu has yet to actually master DF and his use of it against Mard Geer was just a fluke that occurred due to the burst of emotions.

I dunno, for me Dragon Force has been cheapened ever since Sting and Rogue used it. Now with Wendy using it every bloody fight it seems far less special than something like FDK mode. FDK mode is something unique to Natsu, while DF is readily and almost casually available to every taught dragon slayer. Feels like the Natsu unique powerup would be the most powerful, because its the most special

The dragon in which Natsu's physicality takes after is Igneel, and Igneel himself did more damage to Acnologia with physical attacks than he did with his roar.

You're correct that dragon force doesn't always go off whenever someone receives extra power. I don't think there's a consistent pattern to DF either. I think Dragon Force is something that was only available to Natsu when he's in the right emotional state during Tartarus. Whether or not he's mastered dragon force over the 1 year timeskip is something we can't be certain of. It would have involved Natsu reflecting on what he did against Mard Geer, and training to recreate it.

 

[LaGOAT]

Here the Tartaros Characters Stats given by the author himself.

Secondly,DF has been mentioned the highest form a Dragon Slayer can ever achieve.So naturally it is higher than any other form.It's Canon.We also have in the film Natsu half Dragonised which has been mentioned as DF.

Thirdly,since waking up Natsu has been using DS Magic.So i don't know why are you saying he lost his DS Magic when it has been shown otherwise.Zeref said he lost Igneel's power not his DS Magic itself.

And he didn't enter DF because he didn't need it till now.But sooner or later he will use it.

And Sting using DF and WSD form together well i will leave it to @Axiomus to explain it.

So how does these numbers help since these only show their power levels? And it doesn't show natsu? DF being the highest form doesn't mean it's the strongest. We need to see it until proven otherwise FDKM infused with igneel power nearly killed zeref. Like I said zeref if 1. He can achieve on his own will or 2.

Here the Tartaros Characters Stats given by the author himself.

Secondly,DF has been mentioned the highest form a Dragon Slayer can ever achieve.So naturally it is higher than any other form.It's Canon.We also have in the film Natsu half Dragonised which has been mentioned as DF.

Thirdly,since waking up Natsu has been using DS Magic.So i don't know why are you saying he lost his DS Magic when it has been shown otherwise.Zeref said he lost Igneel's power not his DS Magic itself.

And he didn't enter DF because he didn't need it till now.But sooner or later he will use it.

And Sting using DF and WSD form together well i will leave it to @Axiomus to explain it.

. Ok? How does this help? It's just show their power levels and natsu isn't there and wasn't using any curse power. DF being the highest form doesn't it's the strongest form We need proof of that claim otherwise that isn't true FDKM infused with ingeel power nealy killed zeref. If DF was the stongeest form he would have use the first round vs zeref. But 2 reasons 1. He can't activate it on his own will. 2. It was a weaker than his FDKM. Since when has the movie been called consider canon? Well u don't what he has he lost demon and dragon seed notice that his fire magic look different than his regular DS magic. Pure speculation he wanted to killed zeref why would he not use his strongest form???

 

[Crimson Ice]

Well you would have been right unless Natsu didn't show he could do this in Tartaros Arc without any outside power.That is 1 year before Wendy showed.Moreover,Wendy said she could do it only after training.And we know Natsu trained for 10 months.And why he didn't use DF yet?Well i believe we will see it soon.

And DF is the highest powerup any Dragon Slayer can have.So it's naturally DF>FDKM.

No I am right regardless. Natsu didn't need any external sources but he activated DF in a fit of rage unlike Wendy who just activated it under regular circumstances. No if Natsu could use DF he would have, before Natsu was stopped by Happy he tried to use everything to destroy Zeref, so no, he use it normally.

 

[Arjuna]

So how does these numbers help since these only show their power levels? And it doesn't show natsu? DF being the highest form doesn't mean it's the strongest. We need to see it until proven otherwise FDKM infused with igneel power nearly killed zeref. Like I said zeref if 1. He can achieve on his own will or 2.
. Ok? How does this help? It's just show their power levels and natsu isn't there and wasn't using any curse power. DF being the highest form doesn't it's the strongest form We need proof of that claim otherwise that isn't true FDKM infused with ingeel power nealy killed zeref. If DF was the stongeest form he would have use the first round vs zeref. But 2 reasons 1. He can't activate it on his own will. 2. It was a weaker than his FDKM. Since when has the movie been called consider canon? Well u don't what he has he lost demon and dragon seed notice that his fire magic look different than his regular DS magic. Pure speculation he wanted to killed zeref why would he not use his strongest form???

Did you see Franlmatlh and Jackal's power there?Jackal had 600 and Franlmalth 800.So naturally seeing Natsu's performance against them we can assume his powerlevel was at Tartaros Arc max to max 1000.So even for DF it is not possible to close a gap this huge.

DF has been stated the strongest form a Dragon Slayer can achieve.It has been stated the power rivals that of a real Dragons and posseses the power to destroy anything


Here's the link of DF

http://fairytail.wikia.com/wiki/Dragon_Force

And what you said "Igneel's power infused with FDKM" that is the point.It was "Igneel's power" that made the difference.It doesn't make the form stronger itself though.

I didn't say tbe movie is canon.I said DF being mentioned the strongest form of a DS is Canon.

Wait when did Natsu learn any other Fire Magic other than Fire Dragon Slaying Magic?He only used Black Flame Curses.And seeing those flames aren't black it is DS Magic.Moreover the final fight with Acnologia is approaching so it will not make any sense for Mashima to make Natsu lose his DS Magic.

And why Natsu didn't use DF till now is because he didn't feel it necessary.DF has always been used against the final villain of an arc so most probably it will be used against Acnologia.