Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[Laxus chan-yo]

Using your logic, We saw Erza destroying a Meteor casted by a dragon one-handed >>>> anything Laxus has done so far.

And what feats did this meteor have? Has it shown to be able to hurt people on Gildarts or Laxus's level? Has it done ANYTHING besides break into rubble and make small splashes throughout the battlefield? Guess what this wasn't even the first meteor, Jellal brought down a meteor before this and that was pre-skip. Just because it is a meteor doesn't mean jack shit. It has to actually DO something impressive. I'll bet that stupid God brought out by that fodder Avatar guild could have destroyed that with his AoE.

 

[Raven]

And what feats did this meteor have? Has it shown to be able to hurt people on Gildarts or Laxus's level? Has it done ANYTHING besides break into rubble and make small splashes throughout the battlefield? Guess what this wasn't even the first meteor, Jellal brought down a meteor before this and that was pre-skip. Just because it is a meteor doesn't mean jack shit. It has to actually DO something impressive. I'll bet that stupid God brought out by that fodder Avatar guild could have destroyed that with his AoE.

It's an enhanced dragon attack. Destroying it was impressive more than anything Laxus has done.

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Juvia gave Gray the lost blood. He got healed. Natsu on the other hand was struggling due to the conflict in his body by the seeds.


All in all, Natsu was better than Gray in this fight. So easy to observe it and Erza actually saved Gray before END killing him and killing himself in the process cuz of the seeds enlarging his tumor.

well i'm tired from fixing my grammar, I won't edit anymore.

 

[Indira]

END vs Gray fight


Battle begins with a worned less healthier Gray vs a character who was resting for most of his battle as he was unconscious when Dimaria took him out, so that means Natsu had more MP and health reserve.

On chapter 504, pg 8, Gray and Natsu get in to CQC formation, Gray gets an extra punch in during the last panel, showing he was superior in that exchange.
pg.9, both are enraged/bloodlusted, and tack their fists together.
pg.12, Gray gets a shot in on Natsu with his fist
pg.13, Gray blocks Natsu's attack
pg.14, both charge in.

Chapter 506
pg.9 Natsu charges in, with Gray in defense formation
pg.10 Natsu pushes Gray away, but Natsu detects shards of ice approaching his direction
pg.11 Natsu disperses the shards, but notices shields of ice forming at his feet
pg.12 Gray using his intellects, blows Natsu away
pg.13 Natsu uses END's roar
pg.14, Gray blocks it and uses a shield infront of Natsu's way to make him slam against the wall
pg.15. Gray uses another tactic of a block of ice to push Natsu down.
pg.16 Natsu breaks out of it. They shout each other's name
pg.17. Natsu charges at Gray
pg.18 Their fists collide. Here, Gray was clearly shown enraged, not scared whatsoever. So this bullshit of him being scared should be put to a rest, because he was right near END, and didn't even flinch
pg.19 They charge their fists equally
pg.20 Erza jumps in and blocks it.

So with all of the information given to us, it's clear that the fight overall was even, with Gray having a slight edge due to his tactics when it comes to damage applied in effect, as well as Gray having an extra punch in against Natsu from the start. So overall a healthier Gray would've defeated this END high-extreme diff.

There's no proof that Juvia healed Gray. Extra blood doesn't heal your MP or recover your overall wounds.
There's proof that Natsu rested/unconscious when Dimaria was torturing Lucy.
There's no proof that END has an extra form of being demonized, so it's rocket scientist to detect END is not partial because of lack of proof. Simple observation can get you a long way. Otherwise with that logic, Gray is only partial demonized, and not fully.

Objectively, Gray was better than Natsu in this fight, from reasons above.

Overall Gray would defeat END, and so Erza saved Natsu/END's ass in total had it been a full health battle.

 

[Jko]

Pills are not enough for them they must take Suppository
Why Mira with Gray and Erza?

Because she one on one a Spriggan while weakened to the point she could only access her weakest transformation. Only person other than Mira to beat 12 in a weaken state + one on one was Laxus so that feat should put her on the caliber of Gray and Erza.

 

[Raven]

Juvia healed him, He was able to defeat Invel with it.
Tumor doesn't rest. He was suffering from his tumor since Brandish enlarge it again.
END wasn't in full form due to the fact the demonizing process was proceeding nothing support that Gray can demonize further because those chapters focused on Natsu demonizing only and nothing changed in Gray's body.

Natsu had the upper hand.

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Because she one on one a Spriggan while weakened to the point she could only access her weakest transformation. Only person other than Mira to beat 12 in a weaken state + one on one was Laxus so that feat should put her on the caliber of Gray and Erza.

But Jacob was holding back by covering his eye. He was literally a punching bag for Mira. Mira weakness that her take overs consume too much mp that's why she used a weaker one. I don't think she is that high.

 

[Indira]

Juvia only gave him blood to save him from dying, she didn't heal him or his wounds.
Even if he was tortured, Natsu was physically resting.
END wasn't in full form is an assumption, There's nothing that indicates he's partial, unless there's statements that prove he didn't transform fully.
My observations show Gray had the upperhand on Natsu.

I think we should stop about END vs Gray xD

My final opinion is that we can't know ad the author did his best to portray them as equal fighters.

And @Indira there is as much Gray wank as Natsu wank ^^
I mean you clearly wank Gray saying stuff as Gray blocked END roar when all you can see is the roar and Gray screaming in pain "GUUUAH"

Even when he was in pain, he blocked it. Not sure how you can that is "wanking' when you are the one wanking END/Natsu to assume he will defeat Gray despite nothing that protrays in the manga agrees with your view, regardless of diff.

 

[Zelefomavis]

Juvia only gave him blood to save him from dying, she didn't heal him.
Even if he was tortured, Natsu was physically resting.
END wasn't in full form is an assumption, There's nothing that indicates he's partial, unless there's statements that prove he didn't transform fully.
My observations show Gray had the upperhand on Natsu.



Even when he was in pain, he blocked it. Not sure how you can that is "wanking' when you are the one wanking END/Natsu to assume he will defeat Gray despite nothing that protrays in the manga agrees with your view, regardless of diff.

I said I could see Natsu winning if the fight continued in an extreme diff fight. You said Gray had the upper hand and wqs going to win.
It would be wank if I said Natsu was sure to win and that he was playing with Gray, when what I said is that they were roughly equals and Mashima portrayed them as equals. Sorry if I did not make myself clear enough

+Sorry BluePegasus

Yay Kagura !

 

[Raven]

It's easy to figure out because he was demonizing it can't be more obvious, He hands returned normal when he cooled down. As for his body condition the tumor made him unable to stand up and couldn't aid Lucy vs Brandish and Dimaria. He was able to put such a fight with his state is pretty impressive.

 

[Indira]

It doesn't matter if you think he was demonizing or not, what matters is there are zero proof or any facts that depict Natsu transformating more than what he has shown, nor as their any statements that indicate as such.

I said I could see Natsu winning if the fight continued in an extreme diff fight. You said Gray had the upper hand and wqs going to win.
It would be wank if I said Natsu was sure to win and that he was playing with Gray, when what I said is that they were roughly equals and Mashima portrayed them as equals. Sorry if I did not make myself clear enough

+Sorry BluePegasus

Yay Kagura !

We're done. There's a thread for it now.

 

[Raven]

It's your choice to believe what you want i won't force you.

Yay Kagura I respecr ypur strenght. Wished you used more gravity magic,would be awesome. And if there was an explanation why Larcade blocked your sword like no shits given.


Anyway it was nice knowing you

Mashima made Larcade block her sword to give him temporary hype just like August tanking Fairy glitter but on a larger scale. Next chapters August will taste the POF as he requested in this chapter xD

 

[Boomburst]

Think so? Didnt even notice Natsu smashing the ice. Controlling the broken shards of ice Natsu destroyed might be even more impressive... Or not?

May be impressive from a magical ability standpoint, but it isn't exactly an amazingly strategic feat.

Natsu had time to react and observe Gray's attack, couldnt do anything about it. Makes the user of the attack look pretty smart.
Its what i wouldve done

What makes you think he had time to react and observe it? The attack was only one panel IIRC.

Genius enough to snag the genius who can jump 100 feet high, yet didnt think to leap over that 10 foot tall wall.

I mean, Natsu was charging at Gray pretty fast, it's not realistic to expect him to be able to react to and jump over a wall that suddenly came out of nowhere right in front of him.

Haha, oh yeah? Maybe i do. But Azir would be a little more miffed if Laxus was the one who punched him imo.

Possibly, but not more to the point where Laxus could stomp Natsu based on that portrayal.

I assume you're also in the "Gray and Erza dont stand a chance against Natsu" camp? If not what do you think they're chances are?

Yea, I don't believe either of them stand a chance against Natsu. When I say that though, I don't necessarily mean that he can stomp them. It's just that given a choice between Natsu and Gray or Erza, I'd choose Natsu any day. IMO the only time the results of a fight can fluctuate is when the two combatants are almost equal, in which case I would either consider the battle as a tie or as extreme-diff. At the moment, I think Natsu is above Gray and Erza enough to the point where he can consistently beat them.

 

[Jko]

Juvia healed him, He was able to defeat Invel with it.
Tumor doesn't rest. He was suffering from his tumor since Brandish enlarge it again.
END wasn't in full form due to the fact the demonizing process was proceeding nothing support that Gray can demonize further because those chapters focused on Natsu demonizing only and nothing changed in Gray's body.

Natsu had the upper hand.

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But Jacob was holding back by covering his eye. He was literally a punching bag for Mira. Mira weakness that her take overs consume too much mp that's why she used a weaker one. I don't think she is that high.

He still knew where and when to hit her. His lack of eyesight doesn't take away his durability or strength. Mira was at a much bigger disadvantage. She consumes so much energy in Alegria but her other forms don't waste that much power. Her weakest form was able to best a S12 so that says a lot for her upper forms like Sitri and especially Alegria.

 

[Star Frost]

He still knew where and when to hit her. His lack of eyesight doesn't take away his durability or strength. Mira was at a much bigger disadvantage. She consumes so much energy in Alegria but her other forms don't waste that much power. Her weakest form was able to best a S12 so that says a lot for her upper forms like Sitri and especially Alegria.

But Mira noted that being the reason of why she won which should mean that he was in a bigger disadvantage than she was since she can see and it made her win. Not to mention if it wasn't for CIS, he would've won by just Transport

 

[Boomburst]

He still knew where and when to hit her. His lack of eyesight doesn't take away his durability or strength. Mira was at a much bigger disadvantage. She consumes so much energy in Alegria but her other forms don't waste that much power. Her weakest form was able to best a S12 so that says a lot for her upper forms like Sitri and especially Alegria.

What makes you say that Jacob can still know where and when to hit her just fine without his sight? Being able to judge where and what the opponent is doing is just as important in battle as durability or strength, so how exactly was Jacob supposed to do that without his eyes? Are you saying he can fight just as well without his eyesight as he can with it?

 

[Zelefomavis]

Sure Mira defeating jacob in base satan soul IS a good feat but don't say that her base satan soul is low sprigg tier so her alegria is high tier spriggan

Imo Jacob closed his eyes the whole fight and threw punches around (he clearly could not identify anything when he closed his eyes,look at how Natsu and Lucy suprised him)

So he closed his eyes and just threw punches without looking, when CqC without weapons is not his forte.
It does not mean anything considering who Mira can take on, just that in her base take over she had enough power to put down a low sprigg, which means in her alegria she has access to a lot of power,does not mean she can defeat others with that power

 

[LaGOAT]

People get confused with bdkm and fdkm natsu used bkdm vs zeref but also trained to get fdkm hence why he was about to use that mode over and over again. Again with natsu wank. Please show me proof that natsu>laxus (apart from bdkm mode which was a temporary power up) it's funny how people used natsu oneshoting Jacob to justify their argument. Don't forget he got help from Lucy btw. anyways a sick base laxus used a casual attack to almost one shot a spriggan but natsu used fdkm to oneshot another. And Ajeel and Jacob and roughly the same level. It's common sense that laxus>natsu if anything natsu would be at best on laxus level (sick laxus) lol at ppl overhyping END when erza stop both DES GRAY AND END WITH HER BARE HANDS. Which is why I have a hard time believing that natsu and gray are above her as for right now.

 

[Axiomus]

As far as END mode goes, I consider it on par with base Natsu. It probably has higher curse power reserves than Natsu had magic power reserves, but then again so would most of the Spriggan 12. In terms of how efficiently that magic power translates into actual offensive power, it hasn't been all that impressive.

People get confused with bdkm and fdkm natsu used bkdm vs zeref but also trained to get fdkm hence why he was about to use that mode over and over again. Again with natsu wank. Please show me proof that natsu>laxus (apart from bdkm mode which was a temporary power up) it's funny how people used natsu oneshoting Jacob to justify their argument. Don't forgot he got help from Lucy btw. anyways a sick base laxus used a casual attack to almost one shot a spriggan but natsu used fdkm to oneshot another. And Ajeel and Jacob and roughly the same level. It's common sense that laxus>natsu if anything natsu would be at best on laxus level (sick laxus) lol at ppl overhyping END when erza stop both DES GRAY AND END WITH HER BARE HANDS. Which is why I have a hard time believing that natsu and gray are above her as for right now.

Fire Dragon King mode is what Natsu used against Zeref. Blaze Dragon King mode is just mangastream's translation because it sounded cooler. The difference between Natsu's current FDK and the one he used against Zeref is now he doesn't have Igneel's magical power. The name of the mode, and type of magic, is the same.

I don't think Natsu > Laxus right now, because Laxus technically killed a Spriggan. Howrever, I definitely think he is on Laxus's level. If he beats Zeref, I would consider him to have surpassed Laxus. Same thing with Gildarts and August.

 

[Arjuna]

People get confused with bdkm and fdkm natsu used bkdm vs zeref but also trained to get fdkm hence why he was about to use that mode over and over again. Again with natsu wank. Please show me proof that natsu>laxus (apart from bdkm mode which was a temporary power up) it's funny how people used natsu oneshoting Jacob to justify their argument. Don't forgot he got help from Lucy btw. anyways a sick base laxus used a casual attack to almost one shot a spriggan but natsu used fdkm to oneshot another. And Ajeel and Jacob and roughly the same level. It's common sense that laxus>natsu if anything natsu would be at best on laxus level (sick laxus) lol at ppl overhyping END when erza stop both DES GRAY AND END WITH HER BARE HANDS. Which is why I have a hard time believing that natsu and gray are above her as for right now.

1)The term "BDKM" is a MS Translation while CR official Translation of both versions(the one he used against Zeref and the other one against Jacob) is FDKM so it's same just translation difference of two translators.

2)Natsu in his FDKM is more or less similar to Laxus,maybe Laxus is bit higher.Natsu in FDKM has probably more DC and AOE while Laxus has better speed,endurance and durability.But don't forget Natsu haven't gone all out get yet.And he has another powerup mode i.e. DF which puts him above Laxus if other modes fail to do so.

3)Both Gray and END were on the verge of exhaustion at that point of time,after Erza stopped the fight both fell unconscious after Juvia and Lucy came.Even a bit of their strength was enough to injure Erza in her hands.Infact Erza in this arc's don't have feats to compete with them.

 

[Raven]

Natsu > uncompleted END version

I won't count Dimaria's fight because it was off paneled
You can easy observe a normal fire dragon roar >>> fragment END roar.

 

[LaGOAT]

1)The term "BDKM" is a MS Translation while CR official Translation of both versions(the one he used against Zeref and the other one against Jacob) is FDKM so it's same just translation difference of two translators.

2)Natsu in his FDKM is more or less similar to Laxus,maybe Laxus is bit higher.Natsu in FDKM has probably more DC and AOE while Laxus has better speed,endurance and durability.But don't forget Natsu haven't gone all out get yet.And he has another powerup mode i.e. DF which puts him above Laxus if other modes fail to do so.

3)Both Gray and END were on the verge of exhaustion at that point of time,after Erza stopped the fight both fell unconscious after Juvia and Lucy came.Even a bit of their strength was enough to injure Erza in her hands.Infact Erza in this arc's don't have feats to compete with them.

Except that DF IS also overrated when he couldn't beat mard geer with it also it debateable if he could have beat Jellal at the time. It also barely beat zero with it his other modes has proven to be stronger than DF. Natsu can't used DF ON his own will. He need something to trigger it (flame of emotions or an outside source) laxus had to go all out because of his illness and was fighting some1 that is resistant to his magic. End was able to stop dimaria time stop. END>=fdkm natsu. And? Erza was fighting be4 was able to stop both of their attacks that shouldn't be an excuse it's just mean the lack in the endurance department gray and natsu might have DC And raw power BUT erza has Better endurance and durability. Show me proof that gray and Natsu are over erza especially what was going on in the recent chapter erza feats r right now

Natsu > uncompleted END version

I won't count Dimaria's fight because it was off paneled
You can easy observe a normal fire dragon roar >>> fragment END roar.

just like one ajeel lost to elfman and lisanna and how Mira beat Jacob