Games Mafia Game 54 - JoJo's Bizarre Adventure: Stardust Crusaders - END GAME

[GrySun]

Gry ...you gonna update?

Votes updated sloppily via phone. I don't think I missed any votes but I will look through everything properly tomorrow when I'm back.

 

[Demonspeed]

Nothing really changed while I was asleep huh..

 

[James Rye]

Greg, Zasz stand is prosecutor, right? What's his role again?

Hummmmm....he wont say.
Like daws and his stand....

SAFE
2. @gnut - forgot, wtv, killed Wyis
5. @Zasz - forgot and well just used prosecutor stand, so townie
8. @james - detective

DEAD
10. @Farfalla - talking dead, third party

MOSTLY DEAD
13. @A.ulq - barkeeper, hopefully mafia
4. @lawlett-kun - prostitute

QUESTIONABLE
1. @SonOfDaws - mortician
3. @Erinyes - apprentice
6. @Demonspeed - witch
15. @Kato756 - doctor

If you ask me... considering we had 1 doctor and 1 BP confirmed, the BP was also a BG, the apprentice was also a doctor... don't you guys think that's a lot of docs? I mean, I know we have 2 killing parties but 1 can't kill on N1 and then they could kill each other and the lover can bring the mafia down as well. Looks like a lot of protection while the other 2 parties don't have the same.
Then you have townies with a lot of fire power: witch, BC and prosecutor. Only one is completely out of luck, the other two can be properly used to kill a target. Edit: ah, also, a doctor that kills.
So I wouldn't be so comfortable with Kato as well (altho maybe that would speak against Demon as well, but I've said why I think he's townie alrdy)

Zasz said he's the 2nd apprentice which is why he wanted to use his prosecutor the next day because this night he would have changed jobs meaning his target is still alive.

I think kato is really a doc, either sane or naive just like me. We had 17 players of that we had 2 Det and 2 Docs with two other players having a one-time det and a one-time Doc Stand, makes 2 full investigative roles and 2 protective roles with 1 extra use on each. Seems fair to me since it is possible that Det and docs drop dead soonish as seen with last night. Since Kato targeted me twice and I am still alive I doubt he is insane, Vandred probably was the insane one killing desin. It all depends on what Stand WYIS and Desin had, WYIS died before she could even tell her own gang what Stand ability she has but since she didn't used it and we had a day kill today with Maz it had to be a night based one.

We don't necessarily need to kill Daws and Demon in case of them telling us the truth and A.ulp being the last Mafia anyway. We have two sure dead candidates, Farf who dies today and Lawl who dies tonight. If we want to avoid voting for a townie we can just decide on one of those two and lynch them today. Since they are going to die and A.ulp is accused by Zasz and will either die or be confirmed Townie, it doesn't matter who we vote for, so why not vote for somebody who is dead meat anyway?

 

[gnut]

So who...lawlett since lala is already locked?

 

[James Rye]

So who...lawlett since lala is already locked?

Yeah, probably Lawl. And if the game doesn't end with A.ulp's death whenever he was townie or mafia we can check for the real 3rd/4th mafia tomorrow and tomorrow Lawl is dead anyway and I dunno if Lawl can use his block ability tonight. If he can we might wanna keep him alive because he might just block the right guy, if not, drop him.

 

[Zasz]

I forgot to vote? O_O
Strange, I thought I had done that already.
Oh well, guess I'll wait the end of the day phase to do just that.

 

[gnut]

Im going back to bed...

Votelock lawlett

 

[Demonspeed]

Yeah, probably Lawl. And if the game doesn't end with A.ulp's death whenever he was townie or mafia we can check for the real 3rd/4th mafia tomorrow and tomorrow Lawl is dead anyway and I dunno if Lawl can use his block ability tonight. If he can we might wanna keep him alive because he might just block the right guy, if not, drop him.

I think voting for Lala is better since as you said lawl might be able to use his power.

 

[Lawl Po Bia]

I can still block tonight tho...

 

[Erinyes]

I have absolutely no idea who to vote for :

Demon -> suspicious imo, but wants to give him the benefit of the doubt as its claim still sounds consistent but well, at this stage i m not sure of anything
Lawl -> suspicious too, but the fact there's no other prostitute and lover claims make his claim believable, also if he's a lover he's doomed already, if he is really a prostitute better give him a chance to block tonight.Otherwise cans still be lynched tomorrow.
Aulq -> case will be settled at the end of the day.
SoD -> suspicious too
Kato -> questionnable as i had a doctor stand and a doctor already died, moderately suspicious, but could still be the truth.

Trust J.Rye so far, but hes so so so scary as i know he's a very skilled player, can definitely fool me
Farf-> mentee, ok knew now why felt like something was wrong in her way of playing yesterday with her sudden change from D1 to D2

I think voting for Lala is better since as you said lawl might be able to use his power.

yeah would likely do this. depending on further revelations.Actually ill do this.

if there was only 1 mafia left, townies would have already won, or am i wrong ?
i suspect there's still 2 left, and im afraid one of them might be among the ones i trust the most. So far i think that theres' definitely at least 1 among the 5 suspicious above, possibly 2, but i have no idea who, i d like to believe it's aulq.

So votekill farfalla for now, (as safety vote, considering how tricky & confusing the situation is and in case i m not back before the end of the day) may definitely change depending on any new stuff

 

[Lawl Po Bia]

who should i block? @James Rye

 

[Demonspeed]

who should i block? @James Rye

If you follow what he says it just makes things easier for Mafia. Choose yourself.

 

[James Rye]

I have absolutely no idea who to vote for :

Demon -> suspicious imo, but wants to give him the benefit of the doubt as its claim still sounds consistent but well, at this stage i m not sure of anything
Lawl -> suspicious too, but the fact there's no other prostitute and lover claims make his claim believable, also if he's a lover he's doomed already, if he is really a prostitute better give him a chance to block tonight.Otherwise cans still be lynched tomorrow.
Aulq -> case will be settled at the end of the day.
SoD -> suspicious too
Kato -> questionnable as i had a doctor stand and a doctor already died, moderately suspicious, but could still be the truth.

Trust J.Rye so far, but hes so so so scary as i know he's a very skilled player, can definitely fool me
Farf-> mentee, ok knew now why felt like something was wrong in her way of playing yesterday with her sudden change from D1 to D2

yeah would likely do this. depending on further revelations.Actually ill do this.

if there was only 1 mafia left, townies would have already won, or am i wrong ?
i suspect there's still 2 left, and im afraid one of them might be among the ones i trust the most. So far i think that theres' definitely at least 1 among the 5 suspicious above, possibly 2, but i have no idea who, i d like to believe it's aulq.

So votekill farfalla for now, (as safety vote, considering how tricky & confusing the situation is and in case i m not back before the end of the day) may definitely change depending on any new stuff

Yeah, I am also leaning towards voting Farf just to make sure Lawl might be able to prevent a Kill move tonight in case A.ulp wasn't the last or a mafia at all. If we are luck A.ulp was the last Mafia then the game ends today. Which means I might have to redo the apprentice role, 3 nights is too long to follow one person it means there are like 5 chances where your sensei could die, that is too much, especially in this game it was too much with an insane doc and a Mentor and mafia who might have had extra kill roles like poison and day kill, not forgetting lynch voting per day as well. 2 nights for small games or in general might be more fair for apprentice.

who should i block? @James Rye

Depends on what role A.ulp was.
He could be the last Mafia, in that case the game is over which is perfect because starting tomorrow I will have less time for this game. If he was Mafia, but the game didn't end then that means there is a 4th Mafia. We got a list here with the claims on who said what his or her role is so you might wanna check that. If he was Mafia Boss then there is a Mafia player where to which I should find a guilty to. If he was not Mafia Boss but another regular Mafia then we got problems because I am most likely either sane or naive and in both cases I cannot find the Mafia boss. If A.ulp was Townie, he won't die and we have a proven townie which reduces the number of possible Mafia suspects. I think you are looking at a number of 4-5 people at most who claimed roles that are hard to prove on their own. I had the luck of Aonori using spy on me to prove I have a night action as well as Philia challenging me when i first thought she would just prosecute me which would have ended in a 100% death for her and 100% confirmation for me.

 

[Erinyes]

will i die if my sensei dies ?

--- Double Post Merged, Apr 9, 2017, Original Post Date: Apr 9, 2017 ---

need to reread the role carefully, i know i will die if im sane and sensei is mafia i know i learn sensei's role if im sane after 3 days. if im unsane, I learn nothing but turn unskilled mafia if sensei is mafia.

Ok yep, the most difficult thing, is not necessary the3 nights, it s the fact it's hard to change if you realize according to claims, that you should change your sensei. Choosing on 1st day is hard, there's some people you trust and 1st Day you can doubt on day 3 and conversely but i guess it's the risky part of the role (0 risk would have make it too op).

--- Double Post Merged, Apr 9, 2017 ---

ok no dying if (s)he dies. but still hope ive chosen the right person.

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  [*]Sane Apprentice (Townie): Night Action - Targets a person to learn from him. If the player manages to learn from the same target three times, he changes his role to his teacher's and is notified of the change and which role it is. If however his teacher gets blocked or killed he learns nothing that night. Once his role changed he cannot learn a new role. If his target happened to be a Mafia, he dies on the night of his third try. The Apprentice doesn't know about his sanity.(GAME 54) NEW
  [*]Insane Apprentice (Townie): The same as the Sane Apprentice, except that if his target happened to be a Mafia he becomes an unskilled Mafia Member on the night of his third try. The Apprentice doesn't know about his sanity. (GAME 54) NEW

  
  

 

[Lawl Po Bia]

If you follow what he says it just makes things easier for Mafia. Choose yourself.

who said i would?

 

[Erinyes]

odds are still 25% for me to die tonight due to my sensei, assuming (s)he's still alive and assuming im not lynched /or killed by another mean tonight.

 

[James Rye]

will i die if my sensei dies ?

--- Double Post Merged, Apr 9, 2017, Original Post Date: Apr 9, 2017 ---

need to reread the role carefully, i know i will die if im sane and sensei is mafia i know i learn sensei's role if im sane after 3 days. if im unsane, I learn nothing but turn unskilled mafia if sensei is mafia.

Ok yep, the most difficult thing, is not necessary the3 nights, it s the fact it's hard to change if you realize according to claims, that you should change your sensei. Choosing on 1st day is hard, there's some people you trust and 1st Day you can doubt on day 3 and conversely but i guess it's the risky part of the role (0 risk would have make it too op).

--- Double Post Merged, Apr 9, 2017 ---

ok no dying if (s)he dies. but still hope ive chosen the right person.

Yeah, imagine you follow a person for two nights in a row and then on day 3 that person gets lynched - waste of two nights, redo it all over again. Yeah, 3 nights is too much, 2 would be better that way is somebody dies you can think "eh, i only wasted one night, if I get somebody for night 2 and 3 I can change my role into something else". The fun behind apprentice is that you might never know if you end up dead following your sensei or becoming a mafia member whch would help the mafia especially if a det had investigated you earlier and seen you as innocent townie before you took onto the mantle of evil.

who said i would?

Right, anyway if I were in your shoes Daws and Demon would be my main suspects, both Mortician and Witch aren't easy to prove roles and both were the latest to come clean with their roles despite not being so important. Also both have roles/stands which activate when they die which is perfect to prevent townie from voting for you because they are afraid of that being true and ending dead as result.

odds are still 25% for me to die tonight due to my sensei, assuming (s)he's still alive and assuming im not lynched /or killed by another mean tonight.

That's why I hope it ends with A.ulp, else I gotta investigate somebody or start getting paranoid and fear for Kato actually being Mafia scum and coming for my butt. xD

I think we should go with Farf after all, she's dying today anyway and lawl can still do something at night in case of the game not ending:

Votelock Farfalla.

 

[Demonspeed]

Vote Kill Farfalla

 

[GrySun]

I am now back, and there's something big to note.

When a mentor dies, if he had a mentee he is normally supposed to die at the same time along with the mentor.
But because I had to leave immediately after the mentor kill I had no time to kill his mentee too, and now more than half of the day passed. So instead of killing him right now to make up for it, I decided to kill the mentee at the end of this day when the lynching happens because I deem it a better idea after most of the day passed.

 

[Farfalla]

Hm, sry, since I didn't die immediatelly in the same post, I just figured I'd die at the end of the day, LOL. The role didn't say anything about the timing.

Lynching me or Lawl is not a good decision, imo. Lynching is the biggest weapon of the town. If you guys got a free night now, you kinda wasted it. Plus, what if the assassin as a stand and works as an extra? They might be able to kill nevertheless then. So let's say Lawl blockes a mafia person, you guys won't know what happened. Lawl might end up just blocking a townie ability as well, lol. Or not, and then mafia might kill. Idk, I wouldn't let a lynching pass...

If there's an apprentice targeting me, I hope you change targets tonight, lol. I think you'll copy the mentee role on N4, not 3, you won't get the bulletproof. If you copy the mentee role, you'll die '-'"