Fantasy Gidarts Clive vs Spriggan

[Sevently]

Participant : Ace of Fairy Tail Gildarts Clive

Gildarts fights Spriggan one by one
After every fight he's healty
No restrictions
Against who he stops ?

Opponents 01 : Neinhart
Who wins and with what difficulty ?
Opponents 02 : Brandish μ
Who wins and with what difficulty ?
Opponents 03 : Ajeel Ramal
Who wins and with what difficulty ?
Opponents 04 : Jacob Lessio
Who wins and with what difficulty ?
Opponents 05 : Bloodman
Who wins and with what difficulty ?
Opponents 06 : Wall Eehto
Who wins and with what difficulty ?
Opponents 07 : Dimaria Yesta
Who wins and with what difficulty ?
Opponents 08 : Invel Yura
Who wins and with what difficulty ?
Opponents 09 : God Serena
Who wins and with what difficulty ?
Opponents 10 : Etherious Larcade
Who wins and with what difficulty ?
Opponents 11 : Eileen Belserion
Who wins and with what difficulty ?
Opponents 12 : August Dragneel
Who wins and with what difficulty ?​

 

[**Silver**]

Gildarts defeats Regular spriggans Easily and stops= Dragon/Irene

 

[Arjuna]

Against Neinhart
Gildarts one shots.

Against Brandish
Brandish organ bursts Gildarts.So Brandish wins this.

Against Ajeel
Gildarts one shots Ajeel.

Against Jacob
Jacob wins due to Transport.

Against Bloodman
Gildarts wins.Bloodman may increase the difficulty if he judiciously uses Macro or Sensory Curse.

Against Wahl
Gildarts one shots.

Against Dimaria
Dimaria Age Seals Gildarts.Dimaria wins.

Against Invel
Gildarts one shots.

Against God Serena

They are more or less equal but i believe Gildarts will win extreme diff.

Against Larcade
Larcade uses Pleasure Magic like in the Manga.Larcade wins.

Against Irene
Gildarts wins against Human Irene.But Dragon Irene low diffs Gildarts as he doesn't have DS Magic.

Against August

Like in the Manga August wins.

So basically he stops at Brandish.

 

[Nemispelled]

Gildartz stops at August.

He should be able to beat every single other enemy prior to the Leader of the Spriggans.

I believe that Gildartz will have no problem beating Irene in Dragon Form. But I doubt Irene will even get the chance to transform. Gildartz is faster than August in terms of movement and attack speed.

That means he'd turn Irene into blocks before she even fully transforms into a full-fledged dragon.

Note: Irene takes some time to transform. And when she does, she goes through a slow transformation process, which is something along the lines of:

Human ---> Semi-Dragon Humanoid ---> Dragon

Don't believe me? Look back at the chapters.

 

[Arjuna]

Gildartz stops at August.

He should be able to beat every single other enemy prior to the Leader of the Spriggans.

I believe that Gildartz will have no problem beating Irene in Dragon Form. But I doubt Irene will even get the chance to transform. Gildartz is faster than August in terms of movement and attack speed.

That means he'd turn Irene into blocks before she even fully transforms into a full-fledged dragon.

Note: Irene takes some time to transform. And when she does, she goes through a slow transformation process, which is something along the lines of:

Human ---> Semi-Dragon Humanoid ---> Dragon

Don't believe me? Look back at the chapters.

And how will he beat Irene if she manages to turn into her Dragon form?You are saying something that is in complete contrast to what has been shown in the Manga till now i.e. defeating a Dragon without DS Magic.

And if his Haja-Kensei-Zetten can't beat a human August then it will do nothing against Dragon skin.

*Note i am not going into a debate about who is the strongest.August or Irene?I believe it is August.But Dragons are immune to all kinds of magics apart from DS Magic and physical attacks due to their skin.



And yeah one more thing.Why are you thinking he can pass Brandish's Command T,Jacob's Transport and Dimaria's Age Seal?

 

[Seven777]

Gildarts breezes through most spriggans, a few would be oneshot.

Unlike other top tiers like Laxus and Jellal i can feel comfortable saying that Gildarts has more MP than regular spriggans including Dimaria and would be immune to Age Seal. Its never really been mentioned, but i just feel like its the case with Gildarts. Low diffs her without Age Seal.
God Serena should be a tougher fight than most, but i wouldnt say he has any more trouble beating him than he had with Bluenote, likely less since he wont suddenly lose his MP mid-fight.
Larcade's hax affected him, but i expect when faced with an enemy he'd be able to fight through it with even less difficulty than Kagura and Sting, shouldnt take many hits to put Larcade down either.

Stops at Eileen though, without DS advantage he doesnt have a chance. I picture him putting up a decent fight though, maybe smashing her big dragon hide into a wall with a mountain busting punch.
Cant beat August either even if he did somehow beat Eileen.

 

[**Silver**]

And how will he beat a full fledged Dragon Irene?You are saying something in complete contrast to what has been in the Manga till now i.e. defeating a Dragon without DS Magic.

And if his Haja-Kensei-Zetten can't beat a human August then it will do nothing against Dragon skin.

And yeah one more thing.Why are you thinking he can pass Brandish's Command T,Jacob's Transport and Dimaria's Age Seal?

Gildarts Magic power level-----> Enchanted/Neinhart----->Brandish

 

[Arjuna]

Gildarts Magic power level-----> Enchanted/Neinhart----->Brandish

Well atleast in the Manga no one ever sweated in front of him in his casual state or commented that "we have never witnessed this kind of magic power".

 

[Pheromone]

Gildarts low diff Neinhart, Ajeel, and Wahl.

Due to the nature of their magic, Gildarts loses to Brandish (Command T), DiMaria (Age Seal), Larcade (Orgasm Magic), and Jacob (Transport).

Gildarts low to med diff Bloodman and Invel.

Alive GS med to high diff Gildarts. Gildarts obliterates Dead GS like we saw in the manga.

Irene and August low diff Gildarts.

Gildarts Magic power level-----> Enchanted/Neinhart----->Brandish

Natsu > Irene-Enchanted Neinhart > Brandish's Command T

Yet Brandish was able to use her Command T on Natsu.

 

[Nemispelled]

And how will he beat Irene if she manages to turn into her Dragon form?You are saying something that is in complete contrast to what has been shown in the Manga till now i.e. defeating a Dragon without DS Magic.

And if his Haja-Kensei-Zetten can't beat a human August then it will do nothing against Dragon skin.

*Note i am not going into a debate about who is the strongest.August or Irene?I believe it is August.But Dragons are immune to all kinds of magics apart from DS Magic and physical attacks due to their skin.



And yeah one more thing.Why are you thinking he can pass Brandish's Command T,Jacob's Transport and Dimaria's Age Seal?

Well, Gildartz doesn't even need to knock out Dragon Irene. He can simply revert her and then proceed to destroy her human form.

DS magic is not a necessity to kill a dragon. It helps if you don't have the power. Just like how DeS is not necessary to kill a Tartaros Demon. Anybody who meets a certain threshold should be able to defeat a dragon.

Irene isn't a top-tier dragon. So if 95% broken-boned exhausted Erza could cancel Irene's dragon form with a DS-enchanted sword, that already tells you Irene's pain tolerance, which is pretty low for a dragon.

Gildartz raw strength is enough to revert Irene.

And I think August is far superior compared to Irene.


Dragons are not immune to all types of magic. That has never been stated and needs to be proven.

If you have enough power, you should be able to kill a low-tier dragon or GMG-equivalent dragon.

Brandish's Command T is not working on Gildartz since it didn't work on fodder enhanced Neinhart.

Dimaria's Age Seal can only affect people below her magic capacity.

And Gildartz blitzes Jacob the same way he blitzes Human Irene.

 

[Pheromone]

Brandish's Command T is not working on Gildartz since it didn't work on fodder enhanced Neinhart.

Enchanted by Irene, for starters. Neinhart was done in by Base Natsu, who then fell to Brandish's Command T.

Which says the Command T's efficacy isn't tied to magical power, but to the nature of magic its target is.

Dimaria's Age Seal can only affect people below her magic capacity.

What? Is this confirmed somewhere?

And Gildartz blitzes Jacob the same way he blitzes Human Irene.

I simply don't see Gildarts closing the gap before Jacob claps his hands.

 

[Arjuna]

Well, Gildartz doesn't even need to knock out Dragon Irene. He can simply revert her and then proceed to destroy her human form.

DS magic is not a necessity to kill a dragon. It helps if you don't have the power. Just like how DeS is not necessary to kill a Tartaros Demon. Anybody who meets a certain threshold should be able to defeat a dragon.

Irene isn't a top-tier dragon. So if 95% broken-boned exhausted Erza could cancel Irene's dragon form with a DS-enchanted sword, that already tells you Irene's pain tolerance, which is pretty low for a dragon.

Gildartz raw strength is enough to revert Irene.

And I think August is far superior compared to Irene.


Dragons are not immune to all types of magic. That has never been stated and needs to be proven.

If you have enough power, you should be able to kill a low-tier dragon or GMG-equivalent dragon.

Brandish's Command T is not working on Gildartz since it didn't work on fodder enhanced Neinhart.

Dimaria's Age Seal can only affect people below her magic capacity.

And Gildartz blitzes Jacob the same way he blitzes Human Irene.

But the problem is Dragons aren't Demons.

And we are told from the start of the Manga unless you have DS Magic you can't defeat a Dragon.And frankly there is no panel in the Manga where this statement is stated "DS magic is not a necessity to kill a dragon" and this "Anybody who meets a certain threshold should be able to defeat a dragon.".We have seen in the past also Dragons were unbeaten so Belserion was shocked when Irene suggested that humans will join the war.He even said what can humans do against Dragons? so basically confirming humans can't do anything to Dragons without DS Magic.

And you cannot point a single instance where any other magic has worked on a Dragon.




Sure Dragon Irene was one shotted but it was only by DS Magic enchanted sword.And surely Gildarts doesn't have the raw strength to defeat a Dragon when he failed to defeat August and Dragon Irene's endurance and durability>Human August.

And Hiro mentioned Spriggans are the strongest characters in the Manga which means they have M.P. more than others.(Enchanted Neimhart resisted Command T because his M.P. was more than Brandish).And also no person ever mentioned Gildarts's M.P. being as large as a Spriggan's and neither did sweat in front of casual Gildarts.

Well you didn't mention how Gildarts will be able to stop Transport if it is casted?


Add

Hiro mentioned Spriggans individually are the strongest so it basically confirms Gildarts don't have as big M.P. as Brandish

Spoiler

And Hiro's words is > than any of us because he is the author and it is his story.

 

[**Silver**]

Spriggans 12 members Magic power and strength was compared to (Base-God Serena) who is weaker than Gildarts( Goi members never sweated in God Serena presence or said that his Magic power level is something special...

 

[Nemispelled]

Enchanted by Irene, for starters. Neinhart was done in by Base Natsu, who then fell to Brandish's Command T.

Which says the Command T's efficacy isn't tied to magical power, but to the nature of magic its target is.



What? Is this confirmed somewhere?



I simply don't see Gildarts closing the gap before Jacob claps his hands.

Well, if we go by that logic, then how would we know that Brandish's Command T is effective on Gildartz's nature of magic? If anything, we don't have proof of that, so we can't just assume that Brandish Command T would work on Gildartz.

And she could only enlarge Natsu's tumor because Natsu was in base. If Natsu was at his full power and had the intention of killing Brandish, there is no guarantee that Brandish magic would work on him either.


As for Dimaria's Age Seal, Natsu was able to bypass and walk through Age Seal.


Well, Jacob has low intelligence. Gildartz would be able to blitz him before the guy knew it. Or Gildartz can pull out a magazine with female boobs from his pocket and oneshot Jacob when his eyes are closed.

 

[Seven777]

But the problem is Dragons aren't Demons.

And we are told from the start of the Manga unless you have DS Magic you can't defeat a Dragon.And frankly there is no panel in the Manga where this statement is stated "DS magic is not a necessity to kill a dragon" and this "Anybody who meets a certain threshold should be able to defeat a dragon.".We have seen in the past also Dragons were unbeaten so Belserion was shocked when Irene suggested that humans will join the war.He even said what can humans do against Dragons? so basically confirming humans can't do anything to Dragons without DS Magic.

And you cannot point a single instance where any other magic has worked on a Dragon.




Sure Dragon Irene was one shotted but it was only by DS Magic enchanted sword.And surely Gildarts doesn't have the raw strength to defeat a Dragon when he failed to defeat August and Dragon Irene's endurance and durability>Human August.

And Hiro mentioned Spriggans are the strongest characters in the Manga which means they have M.P. more than others.(Enchanted Neimhart resisted Command T because his M.P. was more than Brandish).And also no person ever mentioned Gildarts's M.P. being as large as a Spriggan's and neither did sweat in front of casual Gildarts.

Well you didn't mention how Gildarts will be able to stop Transport if it is casted?


Add

Hiro mentioned Spriggans individually are the strongest so it basically confirms Gildarts don't have as big M.P. as Brandish

Spoiler

And Hiro's words is > than any of us because he is the author and it is his story.

According to Zeref Larcade's magic works on Acno, so that there is an instance of magic working on a dragon. There is also Eclipse working on the GMG Dragons, Silver's magic working on Atlas Flame's corpse, Last Aegis working on GMG Dragons, Dragon Enslavement magic working on GMG Dragons, The "motion sickness counter" magic working on Acnologia, Enchantment "enhancements" working on Eileen's dragon subordinants, possibly more that i cant remember. But you get my point, to me it seems pretty clear that dragons are still perfectly susceptible to magic, humans being unable to beat them was likely just because they werent strong enough without the advantage DS gives them. Not that i think GIldarts could beat Eileen, if he couldnt beat August then he cant beat Eileen.

Also, im pretty sure that statement Mashima gave about spriggan's being the strongest character's in FT's history was either hyperbole or referring only to villains he's introduced, cause higher MP or not there are plenty of FT characters who are far stronger than many average spriggans, not to mention Zeref and Acno.

 

[Nemispelled]

But the problem is Dragons aren't Demons.

And we are told from the start of the Manga unless you have DS Magic you can't defeat a Dragon.And frankly there is no panel in the Manga where this statement is stated "DS magic is not a necessity to kill a dragon" and this "Anybody who meets a certain threshold should be able to defeat a dragon.".We have seen in the past also Dragons were unbeaten so Belserion was shocked when Irene suggested that humans will join the war.He even said what can humans do against Dragons? so basically confirming humans can't do anything to Dragons without DS Magic.

And you cannot point a single instance where any other magic has worked on a Dragon.




Sure Dragon Irene was one shotted but it was only by DS Magic enchanted sword.And surely Gildarts doesn't have the raw strength to defeat a Dragon when he failed to defeat August and Dragon Irene's endurance and durability>Human August.

And Hiro mentioned Spriggans are the strongest characters in the Manga which means they have M.P. more than others.(Enchanted Neimhart resisted Command T because his M.P. was more than Brandish).And also no person ever mentioned Gildarts's M.P. being as large as a Spriggan's and neither did sweat in front of casual Gildarts.

Well you didn't mention how Gildarts will be able to stop Transport if it is casted?


Add

Hiro mentioned Spriggans individually are the strongest so it basically confirms Gildarts don't have as big M.P. as Brandish

Spoiler

And Hiro's words is > than any of us because he is the author and it is his story.

I don't see anywhere in the manga that says "You need DS magic to defeat a dragon". You would have to prove that statement. That is an assumption made by fans. It was never canonically stated.

And Belserion's era is different from now. His words cannot be used as evidence because they are so outdated. In the current era, there are far stronger wizards with actual magic capabilities.


In regards to the Spriggans being the "strongest", that was Mashima's words at the start of the arc.

Mashima explicitly mentioned recently that he changes and switches stuff on the spot. Meaning that nothing is planned or set in stone.

What he said in the past could be changed and discarded. Which is the case now since most of the Spriggans were proven to be hilariously beaten.

And feats >>> words.


Let me ask you a question. And let's see if you can answer it.

What will Irene do if she is turned into blocks?

Gildartz actually managed to crash August into pieces. The only reason why August can reform his body is because he can copy a magic and cancel its effects.

Irene can't copy and cancel spells.

That means once Gildartz turns her into blocks, she is as good as finished.

And August has higher durability than Irene.

That means Gildartz could turn Irene into blocks at the start of the battle. Which gives the automatic victory to Gildartz.

 

[Pheromone]

Well, if we go by that logic, then how would we know that Brandish's Command T is effective on Gildartz's nature of magic. If anything, we don't have proof of that, so we can't just assume that Brandish Command T would work on Gildartz.

Except Brandish could simply blow up Gildarts' organs, not aim for his magic.

In Neinhart's case, his whole body had been enchanted by Irene, which is why Brandish was unable to use her magic on him at all.

According to Zeref Larcade's magic works on Acno, so that there is an instance of magic working on a dragon. There is also Eclipse working on the GMG Dragons, Silver's magic working on Atlas Flame's corpse, Last Aegis working on GMG Dragons, Dragon Enslavement magic working on GMG Dragons, The "motion sickness counter" magic working on Acnologia, Enchantment "enhancements" working on Eileen's dragon subordinants, possibly more that i cant remember. But you get my point, to me it seems pretty clear that dragons are still perfectly susceptible to magic, humans being unable to beat them was likely just because they werent strong enough without the advantage DS gives them. Not that i think GIldarts could beat Eileen, if he couldnt beat August then he cant beat Eileen.

None of those were offensive spells meant to cause physical harm to dragons, which was @natsulucy's point. All your examples prove is that yes, powerful and incredible as they are, dragons are still bound to the rules of the same magical universe as everyone else, susceptible to distortions in space-time and the effects of non-offensive spells, like most other living creatures.

Silver's spells working on Atlas Flame's spirit doesn't mean much. Atlas Flame was dead for 400 years and his spirit had waned considerably, unlike the dead dragons Igneel, Metalicana, etc who traveled with their DSs into the present timeline and therefore hadn't been dead for nearly as long, which is why they still had enough strength to destroy the Faces, and in Igneel's case, hold out against Acno.

 

[Nemispelled]

Except Brandish could simply blow up Gildarts' organs, not aim for his magic.

In Neinhart's case, his whole body had been enchanted by Irene, which is why Brandish was unable to use her magic on him at all.

But what's the difference between Neinhart's body being enchanted by Irene and Gildartz having his own magic flow throughout his body?

The result should still be the same.

The main reason why Brandish could not use her magic on Neinhart is because his power exceeded hers. That would be the same for Gildartz. As long as a mage (such as August or Acnologia) has a greater amount of magic power, then Brandish's magic would ultimately become useless.

 

[XXEliteXXAceXX]

Gildarts should stop at Irene. High Difficulty. A dragon's power is too much for Gildarts to handle (provided that the dragon was serious).

As for whether dragons are immune to magic... That is not true. Acnologia is the only exception because he can absorb all types of elements and magic. Take a look at the bottom-right panel.

Spoiler: Belserion Explaining why Humans are Inferior to Dragons

Belserion makes it clear that the reason why humans cannot beat a dragon is because they are much weaker than them. In other words, a dragon's durability far exceeds a human's attack power. Had dragons been immune to magic, Belserion would've said something along the lines of...

"Even if you were to form a massive battalion of humans, their power wouldn't have any effect on even a lone dragon!"

 

[M3J]

August would obliterate Gildarts, based on what the manga showed us. Irene might get to him first, but she didn't show feats afaik that could beat him, other than MILF Slayer.