Brain was a magical genius (hence the name) so it isn't surprising that he was able to create so many spells and magics. Laxus, on the other hand, is not. And it's not like he came up with Fairy Law all by himself, Makarov passed it on to him.
Not saying that it's entirely impossible. I just find it extremely hard to believe.
And that still doesn't explain the whole Yuri flashback right before he used it.
Yeah, but even just learning FL is still impressive. And im not saying Laxus is a Brain tier genius, he aint coming up with hundreds of spells. But a whole year of training? Seems pretty reasonable for a single new spell.
As for the Yuri flashback, the spell is based on the bond of blood right? I always figured that convo with Mavis was what drove him to develop it.
Its an asspull, no doubt, but thats on Mashima not Laxus. It was still all his own power. Asspulls make the manga less credible, not the character.
Yeah, but even just learning FL is still impressive. And im not saying Laxus is a Brain tier genius, he aint coming up with hundreds of spells. But a whole year of training? Seems pretty reasonable for a single new spell.
As for the Yuri flashback, the spell is based on the bond of blood right? I always figured that convo with Mavis was what drove him to develop it.
Its an asspull, no doubt, but thats on Mashima not Laxus. It was still all his own power. Asspulls make the manga less credible, not the character.
I dunno, didn't seem that way to me. I guess it's dependent on interpretation. Personally it just seemed much too convenient for it to be something Laxus developed over the TS.
I agree 100%, of course it's Mashima's fault. And I've never used RL as an indictment against Laxus' character. Which is why I'm still a Natsu fan despite his questionable wins throughout the series.
She was nerfed. She couldnt use ger eye . What more do you want.
Yeah. Water sword to hurt ajeel. It wasnt his weakness. It just allowed erza to hurt him. Wind sword gave erza the advantage but she isnt stronger than ajeel because of that.
She used irene mp to fight irene. I dont have no idea what you are talking about.
No you are not using any logic. Zeref is not a human.
I dont even know what power scaling mean . It only seems to be used when people have no feats to talk about.
I dont think you think much of protrayal. By the way how you thought that serena would mid diff partial END
What is the diffeeence between being nerfed and distvantaged.
Both give the same results
Lol laxus didnt train one year to gain red lightening. That is rediculus. Laxus wasnt training to beat wahl for year. He was just trianing to be stronger. Red lightening was just produced that very second in wahl match.
laxus > erza (the one who faught ajeel). Yes
Erza (the one who faught irene) > laxus
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Ass pull are ass pulls. No mater uses them.
Natsu uses them the most. Followed very closely by erza.
But laxus also uses them
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Not a good reason at all
Remember ff arc
Natsu used secret art at the end of laxus fight. Are you implying natsu would have made a short work out of laxus if he decided to use secret art staright of the bat. Like you laxus could have done with red lightening against wahl
what do u mean she couldnt use her eyes?? she wasnt blind nor she wasnt closing her eyes like jacob so pleasee elaborate what u mean.
she use DF to attack her and was counter her enchantments. it doesnt matter if she was irene body she was fighting against irene.
zeref isnt human?what is he? a demon/dragon? because that is the only races they have in FT.
google powersaling u will find out what it is. END was hyped to kill zeref and acno but was causally stop by erza and was going toe to toe with gray. so yes god serena mid diff END . gildartz said he doesnt who will win between him and GS powerscaling to at gildatz lvl. gildartz mid dif END.
so whats the different between natsu learning FDK spell and laxus learning RL spell. who said laxus purpose of training a year was to fight wahl like he knew he was gonna fight a guy that was immune to his lighting a year prior he was training to get stronger. like i said be4 whether its pof or asspull laxus beat a spriggan by himslef while erza couldnt laxus>erza
if u dont what the difference between nerfed and disadvantaged read @Seven777 post he explains it
Yea I realized that right after I typed it lol, so I went back and changed it.
There's a difference between simply training to get stronger fire and training to somehow obtain lightning that has completely new and different properties.
Weren't you right alongside me a couple months ago in saying that Red Lightning was a bs asspull? You could at least TRY to hide your blatant anti-Natsu bias
I may be a Natsu fan but that doesn't make Laxus automatically immune from criticism.
i dont understand natsu train to obtain learn dragon force his fire turns yellow. what do u mean his lighting has different properties?? his lighting was red and was stronger. its was only an asspull because wahl was supposely immnue to lighting and but was oneshoted becuase laxus used RL. like hiro said lighting that surpassed lighting (idk what that means either but its hiro its his fault)
i dont understand natsu train to obtain learn dragon force his fire turns yellow. what do u mean his lighting has different properties?? his lighting was red and was stronger. its was only an asspull because wahl was immnue to lighting and but was oneshoted becuase laxus used RL. like hiro said lighting that surpassed lighting (idk what that means either but its hiro its his fault)
What I mean by different properties is that Red Lightning was able to bypass Wahl's immunity, meaning that it was different than regular electricity in a way that wouldn't allow Wahl to absorb it.
I guess the difference here is that you think that RL is just a powerful normal lightning spell, and it affecting Wahl is the asspull. While I think that RL affecting Wahl was due to it being a different sort of electricity, and Laxus having the spell in the first place is the asspull.
What I mean by different properties is that Red Lightning was able to bypass Wahl's immunity, meaning that it was different than regular electricity in a way that wouldn't allow Wahl to absorb it.
I guess the difference here is that you think that RL is just a powerful normal lightning spell, and it affecting Wahl is the asspull. While I think that RL affecting Wahl was due to it being a different sort of electricity, and Laxus having the spell in the first place is the asspull.
ok so if u believe that then whats the problem i dont get it?
i dont understand why the spell is an asspull. FDK is different type of normal fire and a powerful fire spell. natsu learned df in a year. gajeel train for a year doesnt have DF (as for now) natsu and wendy trained both have DF.
Lack of an explanation for Red Lightning is the central issue. Had Hiro given time to write up anything about what it is, where it comes from, and that Laxus consciously dedicated time to acquiring this power, this wouldn't be a problem.
Lack of an explanation for Red Lightning is the central issue. Had Hiro given time to write up anything about what it is, where it comes from, and that Laxus consciously dedicated time to acquiring this power, this wouldn't be a problem.
Yeah, but even just learning FL is still impressive. And im not saying Laxus is a Brain tier genius, he aint coming up with hundreds of spells. But a whole year of training? Seems pretty reasonable for a single new spell.
As for the Yuri flashback, the spell is based on the bond of blood right? I always figured that convo with Mavis was what drove him to develop it.
Its an asspull, no doubt, but thats on Mashima not Laxus. It was still all his own power. Asspulls make the manga less credible, not the character.
what do u mean she couldnt use her eyes?? she wasnt blind nor she wasnt closing her eyes like jacob so pleasee elaborate what u mean.
she use DF to attack her and was counter her enchantments. it doesnt matter if she was irene body she was fighting against irene.
zeref isnt human?what is he? a demon/dragon? because that is the only races they have in FT.
google powersaling u will find out what it is. END was hyped to kill zeref and acno but was causally stop by erza and was going toe to toe with gray. so yes god serena mid diff END . gildartz said he doesnt who will win between him and GS powerscaling to at gildatz lvl. gildartz mid dif END.
so whats the different between natsu learning FDK spell and laxus learning RL spell. who said laxus purpose of training a year was to fight wahl like he knew he was gonna fight a guy that was immune to his lighting a year prior he was training to get stronger. like i said be4 whether its pof or asspull laxus beat a spriggan by himslef while erza couldnt laxus>erza
if u dont what the difference between nerfed and disadvantaged read @Seven777 post he explains it
you know exactly what i mean. ajeel only got anywhere with erza because of her unability to use her eyes. this has nothing to do with power. laxus would have the same problem if he didnt have his ds nose. again nothing to do with power
it matters because that wendy had more magic power than laxus has at that particular time. she attacked just like cana did.
no zeref is immortal.
Partial END shat on serena equivalent. you know nothing about portrayal, if you missed this. comparing partial END and serena to aconologia and zeref is irrelevant
gildart was never compared to other springgans, so comparison is irrelevant.
erza fought someone and over powered her with pof. that someone would causally one shot wahl
going toe to toe with irene, over powering her top tier move >> taking out wahl
let me make an example you will understand
going toe to toe with gmg jura, over powering mt. fugti >> taking out gmg rufus
keep in mind gildart also only went toe to toe with august. he didnt take out any springgans nor overpowered august top tier. only portrayal would put him above erza. feat wont
meanwhile taking out wahl is not more impressive than taking out invel. laxus was at disadvantaged and gray was in base. both used pof
Tell me yourself, what is the difference between being nerfed like erza was against minerva in gmg (broken leg, lost huge mp against kugura, i am pretty sure you dont put her in jura tier then) or against koyoka (came directly out of torture).
or distvantaged like erza was against koyoka, or erza was against ajeel or laxus was against wahl
in both cases we dont get the accurate power. in both cases the result will be the same
nerfed and distvantaged fight happens in nearly every arc. but when laxus gets it, he need to be automatically promoted.
Difference is Laxus' finisher was used on an unharmed, empowered Wahl thanks to lightning absorption, so we already know for a fact that Laxus' can kill Wahl in one blow, in fact it'd prob be even easier if he did it straight away since Wahl wouldnt have had all that lightning to absorb.
While Natsu's finisher on the other hand was used on an injured, exhausted Laxus who had eaten multiple attacks from Natsu, Gajeel, Mystogan and had just cast Fairy Law.
On top of that Laxus needed Wahl to cure himself, so killing him straight away wouldve been a bad idea. While beating Laxus early on the other hand wouldve been much easier, for Natsu and for the guild.
Besides, we already know from August that Laxus can kill spriggan tiers with a casual nuke, Laxus doing it with Red Lightning wasnt really much of a shock, par for the course really.
So yeah, even though Wahl seemed like a bad opponent for MBP Laxus, he(or maybe Freed) was smart in choosing him. MBP canceler to cure his sickness and lightning immunity to prevent Laxus from killing him too early, a pretty convenient opponent.
Difference is Laxus' finisher was used on an unharmed, empowered Wahl thanks to lightning absorption, so we already know for a fact that Laxus' can kill Wahl in one blow, in fact it'd prob be even easier if he did it straight away since Wahl wouldnt have had all that lightning to absorb.
While Natsu's finisher on the other hand was used on an injured, exhausted Laxus who had eaten multiple attacks from Natsu, Gajeel, Mystogan and had just cast Fairy Law.
On top of that Laxus needed Wahl to cure himself, so killing him straight away wouldve been a bad idea. While beating Laxus early on the other hand wouldve been much easier, for Natsu and for the guild.
Besides, we already know from August that Laxus can kill spriggan tiers with a casual nuke, Laxus doing it with Red Lightning wasnt really much of a shock, par for the course really.
So yeah, even though Wahl seemed like a bad opponent for MBP Laxus, he(or maybe Freed) was smart in choosing him. MBP canceler to cure his sickness and lightning immunity to prevent Laxus from killing him too early, a pretty convenient opponent.
More convince than anything else.
Especially because laxus could have used those runes before tge fight even began.
No. We dont know he can take out any springgan without pof especially since you are person who dont believe in all hype.
It's just a hype, just alot less reliable hype than deus sema hype.
Red Lightening is one of the finest asspull in the series anyway. I'm fine with it but don't criticize other characters because of asspulls in a manga full of asspulls. It's the same writing after all. Doesn't matter if it's Natsu, Laxus or any.
More convince than anything else.
Especially because laxus could have used those runes before tge fight even began.
No. We dont know he can take out any springgan without pof especially since you are person who dont believe in all hype.
It's just a hype, just alot less reliable hype than deus sema hype.
Whats more convincing?
Yeah, he shouldve used the runes before the fight began, but the longer a spriggan is unattended to, the more allies are gonna end up dead. Or at least i'd assume thats why he didnt just set up them runes before the fight, last time Wahl was perched on a roof he killed that little Mermaid Heel girl.
Sure we do, August's word is as good as gold, besides, the feat of forcing August to step in and save a spriggan is as good as killing one anyway.
Deus Sema hype? August is a human, so is Zeref, so is Erza. Oh but funnily enough according to Wahl "there's no way Laxus is human".
you know exactly what i mean. ajeel only got anywhere with erza because of her unability to use her eyes. this has nothing to do with power. laxus would have the same problem if he didnt have his ds nose. again nothing to do with power
it matters because that wendy had more magic power than laxus has at that particular time. she attacked just like cana did.
no zeref is immortal.
Partial END shat on serena equivalent. you know nothing about portrayal, if you missed this. comparing partial END and serena to aconologia and zeref is irrelevant
gildart was never compared to other springgans, so comparison is irrelevant.
erza fought someone and over powered her with pof. that someone would causally one shot wahl
going toe to toe with irene, over powering her top tier move >> taking out wahl
let me make an example you will understand
going toe to toe with gmg jura, over powering mt. fugti >> taking out gmg rufus
keep in mind gildart also only went toe to toe with august. he didnt take out any springgans nor overpowered august top tier. only portrayal would put him above erza. feat wont
meanwhile taking out wahl is not more impressive than taking out invel. laxus was at disadvantaged and gray was in base. both used pof
Tell me yourself, what is the difference between being nerfed like erza was against minerva in gmg (broken leg, lost huge mp against kugura, i am pretty sure you dont put her in jura tier then) or against koyoka (came directly out of torture).
or distvantaged like erza was against koyoka, or erza was again st ajeel or laxus was against wahl
in both cases we dont get the accurate power. in both cases the result will be the same
nerfed and distvantaged fight happens in nearly every arc. but when laxus gets it, he need to be automatically promoted.
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what does that have to do with anything
both laxus and natsu saved their finisher for the end like pretty much most of the fight in this manga.
uhh no i dont if i did would i being asking u to explain? so again what do u mean erza didnt use her eyes?. laxus already show a feat that almost oneshotted ajeel august saved his behind but ur gonna ignored that as always.
it doesnt matter wendy help in the fight she was counter irene magic if she wasnt there erza wont last longer.
zeref being immortal doesnt mean he isnt human so i dont y u dont think he isnt human becuase of that.
LOL are u saying that gildartz isnt sprrigan tier? man u crack me up. anyways this is what gildartz said http://www.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/496/6 meaning that GS is around his level. aka power scaling.
GS=/=dimaria they are in the same tier but not equal in power. and so what? GS got oneshotted acno. how isnt that irreverent. ur saying that END is so powerful because she oneshotted dimaria. and im telliung that end isnt that powerful because erza and gray was able to handle him. end was hype was to kill zeref and anco but wasnt able to beat erza nor gray.
except ur logic is flawed and ur failing to realized that she got help from wendy. erza wasnt going toe to toe with irene show me a panel where erza by herself was going toe to toe with irene.
gildartz power scaling and portrayal put him below august irene and probably lacarade which is above erza same with laxus gildartz was going toe to toe with causal august btw.
except that laxus nerfed and disadvantage. gray wasnt nerfed nor at a disadvantage he won with a rage boost at base. plus invel isnt immune to ice nor a mecha that can find people weakness
because 1. minvera knew she couldnt beat jura (proof that erza isnt either) 2. i alrady told u to look at the difference from @Seven777 post he explains i dont need to repeat myself twice
Whats more convincing?
Yeah, he shouldve used the runes before the fight began, but the longer a spriggan is unattended to, the more allies are gonna end up dead. Or at least i'd assume thats why he didnt just set up them runes before the fight, last time Wahl was perched on a roof he killed that little Mermaid Heel girl.
Sure we do, August's word is as good as gold, besides, the feat of forcing August to step in and save a spriggan is as good as killing one anyway.
Deus Sema hype? August is a human, so is Zeref, so is Erza. Oh but funnily enough according to Wahl "there's no way Laxus is human".
you are just trying to come up with reasons. laxus could have easily set up runes before the fight began.
then one shot wahl
then one shot dimeria
one shot aconologia while he is at that too .
this strategy is much better than getting wrecked by wahl because he wanted to use him and be useless in the rest of the war.
i can easily come up with stuffs too. like only reason natsu didnt wreck him with secret art is because he wanted laxus to understand himself
irene words are good as gold, and the fact she used that move instead ripping erza physically apart is pretty much confirms it that even august couldnt stop it.
no zeref is immortal. that is why august was said to be the strongest mage. the word mage did not include a dragon or the immortal
you know i should follow your style. completely utterly reject one hype, like laxus nuke would not KO ajeel but infact ajeel could easily tank it.
and accept other hype 100%, like dues sema can not even be stopped by likes of august
Why are you guys wasting your time with this guy? Like Seven pointed out he spends most of his times trying to make Laxus weaker than he is. This is the same guy who said the S-Rank monster in GMG was equal to Jura, all in an attempt to support his argument for GMG Erza being stronger than GMG Laxus.
though I didn't accept that when I first saw that fight 
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