Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2017] - Discussion and TOC Talk

[TyVip]

Dragonball is still a massive franchise .

 

[Tamil]

Power rangers surprised me but realized it's been going on for like decades.

 

[savethecat]

seeing the toys sales makes me wonder when will get the next YugiOh or will its phenomenon ever happen again

I seen some oneshots with some interesting concepts that could develop into some cool traditional gaming franchises

that's if Jump and the fans gave them a chance

Zippo coming soon

 

[Mammo]

Zippo coming soon

mecha action figures are nice and all, but I'm I want a board game or a card game

 

[ruggia]

mecha action figures are nice and all, but I'm I want a board game or a card game

well, YuGiOh didn't really have card game as it's major thing till several dozen chapters into the serialization.

 

[Mammo]

so you're saying one manga that's doesn't look like it's about gaming could develop into that later on

hmmmmm, can't say I disagree

on topic, Soul Catcher(s) dude new oneshot is called Puzzle Juggle, with a name like that one would assume it's have something to do with traditional games

 

[Koi Kage]

In a series like TPN and Dr. Stone that are supposed to be "survival" oriented series other than shock factor how would the author justify killing off a character?

 

[Mammo]

failed to survive, duh

 

[Doughboy]

Came across Kishi's "The Last" interview today from two years back. He admitted he made things up on the way in regards to the Sharingan, characters he expected to be popular flopped (Sai for example), and that Sakura was pretty much hated by both males and females. Now I wonder who do you guys think is most developed female protagonist? Besides obvious reasons why do you guys think it's so hard to write women?

 

[WyldViolet]

Besides obvious reasons why do you guys think it's so hard to write women?

What the actual fuck?
Maybe being self absorbed and being unable to write outside of your own perspective in general.

 

[Doughboy]

What the actual fuck?
Maybe being self absorbed.

What I meant by obvious reasons I meant cause women are more delicate than men. I mean that with no sexist ambiguity. Kishi said he wrote Sakura like how an actual adolescence girl would act like at that age and it wasn't received well. It seems it's harder to write them over men cause guys are mainly simple

 

[xAsum0x]

I can't see how it would be difficult to write a developed female character. Inexperience? Sexist mindset? Knowing what shonen readers will like and won't like?

 

[WyldViolet]

What I meant by obvious reasons I meant cause women are more delicate than men. I mean that with no sexist ambiguity. Kishi said he wrote Sakura like how an actual adolescence girl would act like at that age and it wasn't received well. It seems it's harder to write them over men cause guys are mainly simple

Uhm no. Holy fuck.
How about we just accept the most obvious answer which is just Kishimoto is a hack and making excuses.

 

[Nakura]

I don't think it's a matter of female characters being 'more delicate than men'. I've always assumed some male mangaka find it easier to write male characters because they are males themselves. It could be a matter of mangaka assuming that females have to be written in a certain way to differentiate them from the male characters.

 

[shoyoboyo]

Or, I don't know, maybe Jump's readers just don't care much about the female characters, so the mangaka usually doesn't put as much work into them? Also the fact that most Jump mangaka are male, so they wouldn't have any firsthand experience of what it's like to be a female.

 

[iceemperor]

What I meant by obvious reasons I meant cause women are more delicate than men. I mean that with no sexist ambiguity. Kishi said he wrote Sakura like how an actual adolescence girl would act like at that age and it wasn't received well. It seems it's harder to write them over men cause guys are mainly simple

Sakura was far from an actual adolescent girl. In part 1, kishimoto admitted that he thought it was perfectly normal for 12~13 year old girls to be that one track minded about a boy. Sakura's entire character revolved around Sasuke to a point where it would be used as comedy to beat down naruto to make a joke when he was either "getting in his way" or insulting him. Kishimoto admitted he knew nothing about how girls think back then. He still didn't know much as he grew older as Sakura's main story still revolved around Sasuke the entire time.

Shonen manga in general are the last places to go to see realistic female teenagers, at the least. The idea is that adolescent boys have no interest in the female mind's inner workings as they want hot blooded action and female characters are "more emotional". The idea of not putting them in fights because they'll get hurt is also plays a big role. They'll throw them in from time to time but its mostly boys and men fighting because the editors and mangaka believe that's what the demographic wants to read. They write female characters as supports to male characters which robs them of good development and characterization.

 

[Ravellino]

and full color chapters and full color volumes

and sells much more volumes

 

[ChocoBar9]

What EmDee and iceemperor are saying; You shouldn't be reading a BOYS COMIC for proper representations of female characters now that's not to say this is a problem all shounen manga has or that manga that caters to female demographic are necessarily better but I doubt the core readerbase care so much same goes to the mangaka catering them.

 

[Divinenega]

All of the above comments just remind me that it's something of a wonder that The Promised Neverland is doing so well with a female protagonist. Not that previous JUMP series haven't have any but the two most notable examples before it are kind of hard to count.

 

[Leoat12]

Shoujo is worse than Shounen, most of the time the girls are unrealistic sweet and more fixated for a guy than Sakura was.
I don't know about you guys' school days, but in mine girls acted exactly like Sakura, it was so natural for me seeing her like that.
Seeing her breaking the ground with a punch, that was unnatural. XD