Theory Big Mom is an Ancient Weapon

[catagon87]

Big Mom's circumstance (her being a giant at age 5) reminds me of Shirahoshi's situation. Coupled with the title "Natural Born Destroyer" title of the latest chapter.. What if Big Mom is an ancient weapon, reborn? Similar to Shirahoshi. She could be "Mars" which in Holst's orchestra, "The Planets" is the "Destroyer of Worlds". Shirahoshi's power comes from being able to communicate with Sea Kings which can potentially destroy islands at her command. Big Mom's power comes from an incredible sturdiness and destructive power. She was able to level a whole town in a tantrum at age five.

We only know of Uranus, Pluton and Poseidon. I don't think it was ever explicitly stated that there were only three, but those are the ones we know of. She seems incredibly powerful for being so young. I don't think any other character in the series was that strong from a young age.

Shirahoshi also exhibited signs of being unable to control her power as a child (Similar to Big Mom being unable to realize her own strength): http://www.mangapanda.com/one-piece/625/12

 

[Hannibal Psyche]

I don't think she's an Ancient Weapon. She's just strong. Ancient Weapons can individually destroy the world; Big Mom needs an army to do so. Whitebeard's Gura Gura no Mi is far more Ancient-Weapon like since it has the power to destroy the world. The quakes reverberated so far that the entire world shook.

 

[catagon87]

I don't think she's an Ancient Weapon. She's just strong. Ancient Weapons can individually destroy the world; Big Mom needs an army to do so. Whitebeard's Gura Gura no Mi is far more Ancient-Weapon like since it has the power to destroy the world. The quakes reverberated so far that the entire world shook.

It's actually never been stated that they have to be "able to destroy the world"; they just need to be able to cause massive damage. Shirahoshi's for instance, would require a lot of coordination and effort to destroy the whole world, since she has to talk directly to Sea Kings, and they would go on to destroy islands at her behest, which we've found Big Mom to be more than Capable of single-handedly destroying an island.

This is a theory though so I'm obviously not saying that I'm 100% certain that it's true, but I think it'd be ignorant to completely discard the possibility seeing as how even the Mermaid Princess is an ancient weapon.

I think her potential for destruction is a lot more than we know even now. I mean, on a tantrum she instantly destroyed Elbaf, "the strongest city in the world". That is something that your typical individual would probably have to train heavily for, but she did it when she was 5, with no formal training. Why would she be so indestructible at such a young age?

 

[Shasha23]

Linlin doesn't have the power to destroy islands, she can destroy villages and towns but not sink an island like how the 3 weapons are said to be able to do, so she definitely is not 1 of the weapons

 

[Hannibal Psyche]

It's actually never been stated that they have to be "able to destroy the world"; they just need to be able to cause massive damage. Shirahoshi's for instance, would require a lot of coordination and effort to destroy the whole world, since she has to talk directly to Sea Kings, and they would go on to destroy islands at her behest, which we've found Big Mom to be more than Capable of single-handedly destroying an island.

It is explicitly stated that the Ancient Weapons can destroy the world which is why the WG cannot oppose them if one is obtained if you re-call what Spandam and the Gorosei discussed.

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Reason why they're Ancient is also because they come from far in the past, and aged at least 800 years old. Poseidon is born every 3-400 years while Uranus is also from the Void Century meaning it's also at least 800 years old. Poseidon manifests itself into someone, and Poseidon is probably 1,000s of years old.

Big Mom is 68 years old, her powers are not Ancient nor is she capable of destroying the world.

 

[catagon87]

It is explicitly stated that the Ancient Weapons can destroy the world which is why the WG cannot oppose them if one is obtained if you re-call what Spandam and the Gorosei discussed.

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Reason why they're Ancient is also because they come from far in the past, and aged at least 800 years old. Poseidon is born every 3-400 years while Uranus is also from the Void Century meaning it's also at least 800 years old. Poseidon manifests itself into someone, and Poseidon is probably 1,000s of years old.

Big Mom is 68 years old, her powers are not Ancient nor is she capable of destroying the world.

Shirahoshi's powers aren't ancient if you are going purely by her age, so drawing on Big Mom's age as a reason she can't have "ancient powers" is kind of defunct. Big Mom could easily be the rebirth of some aspect of something that occurs every so often and we just haven't been informed yet. Also, Shirahoshi's power is to "talk to sea kings" which commonly get one shot by pirates, but she can destroy the world? Her power was said to be able to command sea kings to destroy islands. One of the ancient powers could easily be an "indestructible being". Not Pluton, since that was said to be a ship, but we already have one "organic" ancient weapon.

Nobody here has any idea what the extent of Big Mom's powers are thus far. We have never seen her fight seriously. The closest we've come has been the equivalent of ants trying to fight off a lion when she was destroying WCI. We have witnessed her as a five year old destroying the most powerful village (and its inhabitants which you can see scattered across the ground) in the New World. My main point isn't that I think it 100% is true. This is a theory (which are suppose to be far-fetched, especially in One Piece), as I said. If you had told me upon seeing Shirahoshi until her full power was revealed that "this is one of the ancient weapons capable of causing mass destruction" I'd of thought you were an idiot, but we had more reveals that showed it to be true. We are not even one chapter into Big Mom's past and have never seen her in a serious fight and you're already 100% drawing a conclusion and closing your mind to it.
I think it makes sense for someone who Oda himself deemed "natural born destroyer" to be considered a powerful weapon.

One thing I do know - Uranus (one of the ancient weapons) - is named after the Greek god of the sky (pure conjecture here on which is how theories are suppose to work). Big Mom's main two powers are Zeus, a thunder cloud named after another Greek God, and Prometheus, a sun named after the Titan. Two beings who are based around being in the sky and who share a soul with BM. Being "just born strong" doesn't really make any more sense to me, because it's completely inconsistent with One Piece thus far. Just about every character in the series has been made powerful either by consuming an over-powered fruit, training hard, or a combination of both. Ace, Luffy and Sabo were strong, but not strong enough to take out a village.. they actually had a lot of trouble dealing with normal human pirates.

 

[hokageji]

Well, the main argument i would make about Ancient Weapons is that, we cannot assume all of them would actually be in human form...

Shirahoshi is in human form, but Pluton and Uranus may not.....

I think its likely that the 3 weapons will be a type of 3 devil fruits... With Shirahoshi being the logia type, able to control human beings.... Uranus being the logia form, or omnipresence power like.... etc.. alternately, it could be the 3 types of haki... changing material around you, knowing everything happening and ability to control others..

I dont think Big Mama is one of the weapons, and her shout has more to do Kings Haki... we know little about kings haki and its control... besides, her yell only affects her family members... those with earplugs have no effect..

 

[Hannibal Psyche]

Shirahoshi's powers aren't ancient if you are going purely by her age, so drawing on Big Mom's age as a reason she can't have "ancient powers" is kind of defunct. Big Mom could easily be the rebirth of some aspect of something that occurs every so often and we just haven't been informed yet. Also, Shirahoshi's power is to "talk to sea kings" which commonly get one shot by pirates, but she can destroy the world? Her power was said to be able to command sea kings to destroy islands. One of the ancient powers could easily be an "indestructible being". Not Pluton, since that was said to be a ship, but we already have one "organic" ancient weapon.

Nobody here has any idea what the extent of Big Mom's powers are thus far. We have never seen her fight seriously. The closest we've come has been the equivalent of ants trying to fight off a lion when she was destroying WCI. We have witnessed her as a five year old destroying the most powerful village (and its inhabitants which you can see scattered across the ground) in the New World. My main point isn't that I think it 100% is true. This is a theory (which are suppose to be far-fetched, especially in One Piece), as I said. If you had told me upon seeing Shirahoshi until her full power was revealed that "this is one of the ancient weapons capable of causing mass destruction" I'd of thought you were an idiot, but we had more reveals that showed it to be true. We are not even one chapter into Big Mom's past and have never seen her in a serious fight and you're already 100% drawing a conclusion and closing your mind to it.
I think it makes sense for someone who Oda himself deemed "natural born destroyer" to be considered a powerful weapon.

One thing I do know - Uranus (one of the ancient weapons) - is named after the Greek god of the sky (pure conjecture here on which is how theories are suppose to work). Big Mom's main two powers are Zeus, a thunder cloud named after another Greek God, and Prometheus, a sun named after the Titan. Two beings who are based around being in the sky and who share a soul with BM. Being "just born strong" doesn't really make any more sense to me, because it's completely inconsistent with One Piece thus far. Just about every character in the series has been made powerful either by consuming an over-powered fruit, training hard, or a combination of both. Ace, Luffy and Sabo were strong, but not strong enough to take out a village.. they actually had a lot of trouble dealing with normal human pirates.

Shirahoshi is just hosting the power of Poseidon, Poseidon has existed for at least, 800 years. So, it really has nothing to do with Shirahoshi's age.

Big Mom's power or not, she's not an Ancient Weapon. No evidence art all to support it.

If her powers were so great, she wouldn't need to ally with the Vinsmokes or Giants just so she could become Pirate King. Whitebeard was even considered the most powerful Pirate, not Big Mom. Does that mean Whitebeard is an Ancient Weapon too?

 

[catagon87]

Shirahoshi is just hosting the power of Poseidon, Poseidon has existed for at least, 800 years. So, it really has nothing to do with Shirahoshi's age.

Big Mom's power or not, she's not an Ancient Weapon. No evidence art all to support it.

If her powers were so great, she wouldn't need to ally with the Vinsmokes or Giants just so she could become Pirate King. Whitebeard was even considered the most powerful Pirate, not Big Mom. Does that mean Whitebeard is an Ancient Weapon too?

So age counts when you're arguing against my point and say that Big Mom can't be an ancient weapon because she's only 68, but it's perfectly cool for you to ignore it when we're talking about a 16 year old mermaid. Cool. Hope that line of thought takes you far in life.
My point is you can't say anything with 100% unless it's explicitly stated that it's not the case. "No evidence at* all to support it". What is your evidence against it? Lack of evidence for something is not evidence against something. I have laid out my points and expressed that they are a theory, and that it's not probable but possible based on the way Oda feeds us information. Like I said, if you were told in chapter 612 that Shirahoshi is Poseidon, based on how you talk in this thread you would have said "No she is not and never will be Poseidon", and you would have gone on about how she's weak, a mermaid princess who cries a lot and you would have been wrong based on the fact that chapter 612 was not the end of Fishman Island therefor you didn't have all of the information about her character.
About the Whitebeard thing.. that doesn't even deserve a reply, but here we go. Whitebeard was trained up to where he was (I already went over this point). Being born as a demon-monster with an indestructible body, and training hard over 50+ years are two entirely different things. He ate a pretty good Devil Fruit and had a pretty good drive to protect the things he cared about. This is a typical way of strengthening characters in a Shonen manga. Being able to wipe out a village of giant warriors at age 5 with no formal training is not a typical thing in these manga. Being able to bring hundreds of people, some of which with bounties over 1 billion beli to their knees with a scream is not typical either. On the same regard Whitebeard could have killed Shirahoshi with a snap of his fingers, and she WAS an Ancient Weapon, so.. point moot much? Heh.
I usually like your posts, so I don't mean any offense, but I'm pretty disappointed in your lack of ability to differentiate between me theorizing here, and saying something with 100% certainty.

 

[Hannibal Psyche]

So age counts when you're arguing against my point and say that Big Mom can't be an ancient weapon because she's only 68, but it's perfectly cool for you to ignore it when we're talking about a 16 year old mermaid. Cool. Hope that line of thought takes you far in life.
My point is you can't say anything with 100% unless it's explicitly stated that it's not the case. "No evidence at* all to support it". What is your evidence against it? Lack of evidence for something is not evidence against something. I have laid out my points and expressed that they are a theory, and that it's not probable but possible based on the way Oda feeds us information. Like I said, if you were told in chapter 612 that Shirahoshi is Poseidon, based on how you talk in this thread you would have said "No she is not and never will be Poseidon", and you would have gone on about how she's weak, a mermaid princess who cries a lot and you would have been wrong based on the fact that chapter 612 was not the end of Fishman Island therefor you didn't have all of the information about her character.
About the Whitebeard thing.. that doesn't even deserve a reply, but here we go. Whitebeard was trained up to where he was (I already went over this point). Being born as a demon-monster with an indestructible body, and training hard over 50+ years are two entirely different things. He ate a pretty good Devil Fruit and had a pretty good drive to protect the things he cared about. This is a typical way of strengthening characters in a Shonen manga. Being able to wipe out a village of giant warriors at age 5 with no formal training is not a typical thing in these manga. Being able to bring hundreds of people, some of which with bounties over 1 billion beli to their knees with a scream is not typical either. On the same regard Whitebeard could have killed Shirahoshi with a snap of his fingers, and she WAS an Ancient Weapon, so.. point moot much? Heh.
I usually like your posts, so I don't mean any offense, but I'm pretty disappointed in your lack of ability to differentiate between me theorizing here, and saying something with 100% certainty.

It doesn't.

Poseidon isn't a 16-18 year old kid, but over a millennia old. Shirahoshi's name is not on the Poneglyph, but Poseidon's is.

My evidence is the fact the Ancient Weapons are inscribed on the Poneglyph and the fact the World Government have stated that if they were to contend with an Ancient Weapon, they'd be defeated. Big Mom is not so powerful to defeat the WG. Hell, she can't even become Pirate King without an alliance; so much for benig an Ancient Weapon who can individually destroy the world.

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Plus the fact that Ancient Weapons have the capacity to individually destroy the world while Big Mom doesn't.

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Ancient Weapons don't have to train, they're just powerful. Big Mom's strength is irrelevant, she's no Ancient Weapon; it's just an assumption you have no evidence to support if we're honest. As you said, you're theorising. This isn't credible syllogism where you link up a bunch of credible information to come to a point. She's certainly not Uranus.

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There are only 3; Pluton, Poseidon and Uranus which we're already close to meeting up with if we haven't already.

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You have your work cut out for you if you intend to prove Big Mom an Ancient Weapon; I could just as well state Whitebeard an Ancient Weapon since it was stated he could destroy the world.

 

[Fox666]

Destroying the world is an exaggeration. While Whitebeard's Devil Fruit was said to be capable of such, what it can do is creating tsunamis and sinking a whole island. Aokiji and a few other characters demonstrated powers that can compete with that.

Controlling Sea Kings does seem like an almost unstoppable force in One Piece world. The whole division of the planet (four seas and Grand Line) is dictated by how Sea Kings behave. Again, it doesn't literally means you can destroy the world, but you could get rid of a good portion of the Human population.

Big Mom is just a pirate. Something with the power of Poseidon would make pirates or Marines irrelevant.