Semifinal Natsu vs August

[Dargor]

DS magic is comparable to other type of magic. The only diffrence is that it is good only against dragons. It's special property, based on common caster type magic.
Can August copy this property or not, it will not have any influence on him, because he is not dragon.

 

[Seven777]

So you're saying if DiMaria used Age Seal he couldn't counter it for the other S12?

Also if he copied Laxus DSM he could counter the effects of the spell by just using slayer resistance alone. Natsu did against melt which is why Natsu, Lucy, and Meat had taken no actual damage from it.

Melt wasn't a DS magic. It was regular fire attack. He never copied any fire DS magic. There would've been a slayer title before Melt as well.

He could do it with his own Age Seal i would assume, like Ultear does.

Refer to my above comment.

Was there a slayer title for Laxus' nuke? No? Same with Melt

 

[Jko]

You're grasping at straws, Natsu mostly negated August's spell, August completely shielded Azir. August chose the most efficient way to protect Azir, its really as simple as that.

No I'm not. You can read the chapter where it says he completely negated the attack from Lucy, Happy, and Mest. Lucy took no damage from that attack whatsoever so again the barrier is pointless. You think Mest and Lucy would be fine if Natsu only took "most" of the attack? They got up and weren't even in pain lol

 

[Jko]

He could do it with his own Age Seal i would assume, like Ultear does.

Refer to my above comment.

Was there a slayer title for Laxus' nuke? No? Same with Melt

So he can counter by offsetting the magic therefore neutralizing it.

No but August was never stated to be DS and Acnologia would've known August was a DS right when he used that spell therefore it wasn't a DS attack.

 

[~Charging Lightning~]

Let me try explaining this. Natsu negated the heat around Lucy, Happy, and Mest with just his DS ability therefore August would of negated it himself and Ajeel if he had Laxus DSM. The barrier was pointless, he could've neutralized the spell easily if he had copy Laxus DSM.

The whole idea that Natsu negated the heat of the explosion is quite frankly non logical. Yes I can see how he himself would be non affected but everyone else would have been fried hence why I believe that Universe one was what saved Lucy, Happy, and Mest (the more logical option). Even if we pretend that Natsu negated the heat for Lucy Happy, and Mest, that doesn't mean anything since he was right next to them. Laxus and the rest of the people on the ship only saw Ajeel meaning that he was far away from August.

 

[Seven777]

No I'm not. You can read the chapter where it says he completely negated the attack from Lucy, Happy, and Mest. Lucy took no damage from that attack whatsoever so again the barrier is pointless. You think Mest and Lucy would be fine if Natsu only took "most" of the attack? They got up and weren't even in pain lol

How is it pointless? It saved Azir.
Even if Azir wouldnt have got damaged if August went the Natsu route and negated it that way, whats the point? Is doing it that way any easier than casting a barrier? As far as we know, no, it isnt, There is no point to using the "negation" over the barrier, you are grasping at straws, trying to find any excuse you can.

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So he can counter by offsetting the magic therefore neutralizing it.

No but August was never stated to be DS and Acnologia would've known August was a DS right when he used that spell therefore it wasn't a DS attack.

Yep, he can, but will he? Probably not.

It wasnt stated, but it was shown, in Gildarts flashback.
Like how Acnologia knew about Eileen?

 

[Jko]

All these responses, and the best argument for August's magic not working on Natsu is still "Fuck canon."

Natsu could just burn through his copy magic therefore making it useless. He burn through time and space and death magic. He also beat someone who is canonically way stronger than August. So who is really saying F*ck Canon?

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How is it pointless? It saved Azir.
Even if Azir wouldnt have got damaged if August went the Natsu route and negated it that way, whats the point? Is doing it that way any easier than casting a barrier? As far as we know, no, it isnt, There is no point to using the "negation" over the barrier, you are grasping at straws, trying to find any excuse you can.

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Yep, he can, but will he? Probably not.

It wasnt stated, but it was shown, in Gildarts flashback.
Like how Acnologia knew about Eileen?

The negation is actually easier and it would fill him up on magic. The barrier is pointless as he just waste magic on an attack he could negate and gain more magic from. It isn't really grasping at straws bcs if could negate itthen he would have but he didn't. He has never been shown to negate any DS magic.

It was shown to be copy move but it wasn't shown to be a DS magic.

Acnologia knew about Irene as soon as she used DS magic therefore he would've knew August was a DS if he used it on Natsu.

Also August would just ate the explosion that Gild produce when he used Emperyean from his mechanical arm like Natsu did against Jakcal.

 

[Pheromone]

Natsu could just burn through his copy magic therefore making it useless. He burn through time and space and death magic. He also beat someone who is canonically way stronger than August.

Are people still bringing up the guild-power aiding Natsu as he specifically requested as an actual battle feat?

So who is really saying F*ck Canon?

Well, I was the one writing off Gildarts' description and making up contradictory rules as to how his magic worked

Oh wait, no I wasn't.

 

[Holt]

August is known as the king of magic. Why would he be restricted to be a DS? His repertoire is simply too vast for him to be classified under a specific type. And Dragon slayer magic is only taught by dragons. It is not a holder type. It's not as though there is a material needed for them to activate their magic. The limitations for August is that holder types are specific. Without the right material, it simply won't work, and since he doesn't possess said material, he can't copy the magic. Heck IMO, an argument might even be made for 2nd generation who use lacrima, and August being unable to copy since they channel lacrima (though this a debatable) but for 1st generation who do not channel or use any such material, then there is no reason to doubt that August can copy and nullify it. As far as we know, the DS of old were not necessarily special. They were simply Humans taught magic by dragons. We were never told there was any real specifications for one to be a DS and there were tons of them in the past.

 

[Jko]

Are people still bringing up the guild-power aiding Natsu as he specifically requested as an actual battle feat?


Well, I was the one writing off Gildarts' description and making up contradictory rules as to how his magic worked

Oh wait, no I wasn't.

It wasn't the guild it was Natsu. The guild wasn't even near the guild. Are you guys okay when you say this? Bcs honestly I don't where you guys Are getting Natsu's power up was from the guild when the only one in there was Natsu and Zeref and unconscious Mavis. No guild mark was shining and no reference to the guild besides the emotions he has for them. That's Natsu's true power. It is his own power.

You sure as Natsu is stronger than FH Zeref who would beat August with little difficulty.

Gildarts who barely knew August and only gave two bit description of his magic. August himself didn't give some detailed analysis of it.

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August is known as the king of magic. Why would he be restricted to be a DS? His repertoire is simply too vast for him to be classified under a specific type. And Dragon slayer magic is only taught by dragons. It is not a holder type. It's not as though there is a material needed for them to activate their magic. The limitations for August is that holder types are specific. Without the right material, it simply won't work, and since he doesn't possess said material, he can't copy the magic. Heck IMO, an argument might even be made for 2nd generation who use lacrima, and August being unable to copy since they channel lacrima (though this a debatable) but for 1st generation who do not channel or use any such material, then there is no reason to doubt that August can copy and nullify it. As far as we know, the DS of old were not necessarily special. They were simply Humans taught magic by dragons. We were never told there was any real specifications for one to be a DS and there were tons of them in the past.

Dragons enchanted humans to give them DS magic. It wasn't simply teaching them it that gave them access to the magic. A Dragon has to enchant the human to give them DS magic or an enchanted Lacrima. Those are the only two ways of gaining them magic.

 

[inactive lurker account]

If August can cancel God Serena's magic based on how one interprets the scene in chapter 470 what prevents him from cancelling Natsu's?

And even in the unlikely event of Natsu's emotionally powered flames overpowering August's copying ability and emotions, this doesn't mean that the king of magic will just stand there and take those flames, since he actually evades even those holder attacks that most likely won't do him much harm

Plus we haven't really seen him being pushed to his utmost limits physically or magically apart from Ars Magia, so it's a matter of whether or one underestimates or overestimates his physical stats...

 

[Holt]

Natsu could just burn through his copy magic therefore making it useless. He burn through time and space and death magic. He also beat someone who is canonically way stronger than August. So who is really saying F*ck Canon?

Well that is not certain. First of all, August used melt right before universe one. Acno was fighting Irene at the time. After universe one, he was teleported far away. Also, I think Acno would place more precedence on the first dragon slayer and one who could actually transform to a dragon. Don't forget there were still numerous DS around. Natsu being a prime example. Also, didn't Acno ignore Wendy and go straight for Irene even though she was clearly dead? And Wendy used DS magic, plus acno knew her from tenrou. So using the argument that acno didn't go after August doesn't follow. And we saw Acno chase after BP while leaving numerous ds behind

 

[Seven777]

Natsu could just burn through his copy magic therefore making it useless. He burn through time and space and death magic. He also beat someone who is canonically way stronger than August. So who is really saying F*ck Canon?

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The negation is actually easier and it would fill him up on magic. The barrier is pointless as he just waste magic on an attack he could negate and gain more magic from. Its really not grasping as straws bcs if could negate then he would have but he didn't. He has never been shown to negate it.

It was shown to be copy move but it wasn't shown to be a DS magic.

Acnologia knew about Elieen as soon as she used DS magic therefore he would've knew August was DS magic if he used it on Natsu.

Also August would just ate the explosion that Gild produce when he used Emperyean from his mechanical arm like Natsu did against Jakcal.

It is grasping at straws, because the barrier accomplished August's goal perfectly. Could he have done something else? Probably, but should he have? No, because what he did was already perfect. August doing something well isnt an excuse for him being unable to do something else.

The fact that Natsu couldnt entirely negate it suggests otherwise. Is negating the same as eating? Didnt look like it.
Oh and i went and had a look at Melt, you're wrong, everyone but Lucy was damage at least a little bit.

Spoiler: Screams

And you know what that means? That barrier>negation, barrier provided complete protection, negation provided partial protection, looks like August made the right decision after all.

Its was shown to be a copy from a group that had only one fire mage.

And when did August use DS magic? Oh, right, while Acnologia was in the north with EIleen, long after God Serena's death.

 

[Jko]

Well that is not certain. First of all, August used melt right before universe one. Acno was fighting Irene at the time. After universe one, he was teleported far away. Also, I think Acno would place more precedence on the first dragon slayer and one who could actually transform to a dragon. Don't forget there were still numerous DS around. Natsu being a prime example. Also, didn't Acno ignore Wendy and go straight for Irene even though she was clearly dead? And Wendy used DS magic, plus acno knew her from tenrou. So using the argument that acno didn't go after August doesn't follow. And we saw Acno chase after BP while leaving numerous ds behind

Acno was teleported away when he found out Irene was a DS too so he would've knew August was a DS when he used Melr. He went after them to chase Wendy and kill Erza also as she was the daughter of Irene a DS.

 

[Pheromone]

Bcs honestly I don't where you guys Are getting Natsu's power up was from the guild when the only one in there was Natsu and Zeref and unconscious Mavis. No guild mark was shining and no reference to the guild besides the emotions he has for them.

We're getting it from the manga.

Spoiler

Natsu's used PoF before, but the tattoo's never shined like it did here (Exception is Tenrou, and that was when the Ultear restored the Tenrou Tree, causing everyone's tattoos to shine).

He also called upon the power of the guild, not making any reference towards his personal feelings towards the guild.

Gildarts who barely knew August and only gave two bit description of his magic. August himself didn't give some detailed analysis of it.

"Fuck canon." You're still writing off what Mashima's told us. This is still the best you have to offer, 30 posts later.

Gildarts' figuring out August's power, dedicating panel-time to describing it, pointing out the weakness and successfully taking advantage of it, this was all storytelling done to show exactly what August can and can't do.

Against August, Caster Type don't work, Holder Types do.

 

[Holt]

It wasn't the guild it was Natsu. The guild wasn't even near the guild. Are you guys okay when you say this? Bcs honestly I don't where you guys Are getting Natsu's power up was from the guild when the only one in there was Natsu and Zeref and unconscious Mavis. No guild mark was shining and no reference to the guild besides the emotions he has for them. That's Natsu's true power. It is his own power.

You sure as Natsu is stronger than FH Zeref who would beat August with little difficulty.

Gildarts who barely knew August and only gave two bit description of his magic. August himself didn't give some detailed analysis of it.

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Dragons enchanted humans to give them DS magic. It wasn't simply teaching them it that gave them access to the magic. A Dragon has to enchant the human to give them DS magic or an enchanted Lacrima. Those are the only two ways of gaining them magic.

Dragons enchanted humans? Was this stayed? I don't recall this ever being said though...

Gildarts gave the analysis yes, but I do recall August marvelling that he was able to figure out so fast, which is confirmation. There are numerous times when another character explains the nature of one's power. It would be bland if characters had to explain their powers each time. Having another character explain the power, while the main in question confirms or disprove it is another way it's done.

 

[Jko]

It is grasping at straws, because the barrier accomplished August's goal perfectly. Could he have done something else? Probably, but should he have? No, because what he did was already perfect. August doing something well isnt an excuse for him being unable to do something else.

The fact that Natsu couldnt entirely negate it suggests otherwise. Is negating the same as eating? Didnt look like it.
Oh and i went and had a look at Melt, you're wrong, everyone but Lucy was damage at least a little bit.

Spoiler: Screams

And you know what that means? That barrier>negation, barrier provided complete protection, negation provided partial protection, looks like August made the right decision after all.

Its was shown to be a copy from a group that had only one fire mage.

And when did August use DS magic? Oh, right, while Acnologia was in the north with EIleen, long after God Serena's death.

*Sigh* Yeah bcs Mest who got beat by Marin could survive a spell like that without it being completely negated? A fraction of that huge attack would've killed at least Mest.

He would gain magic from eating it.

Again they weren't in pain afterwards. They were completely fine after that attack.

Acno wasn't even near the continent when Irene uses her DS magic yet he still knew she was a DS as soon as she used therefore he would've knew if he used a DS attack.

 

[Holt]

Acno was teleported away when he found out Irene was a DS too so he would've knew August was a DS when he used Melr. He went after them to chase Wendy and kill Erza also as she was the daughter of Irene a DS.

The point is that he made a choice. And choosing to go after a DS does not invalidate any other DS. Not that I'm arguing for Melt being a DS attack (as I don't recall everything about that chapter), but it doesn't work as a reason to invalidate August. Acno could have gone for any other day. There was no shortage of them

 

[Jko]

Dragons enchanted humans? Was this stayed? I don't recall this ever being said though...

Gildarts gave the analysis yes, but I do recall August marvelling that he was able to figure out so fast, which is confirmation. There are numerous times when another character explains the nature of one's power. It would be bland if characters had to explain their powers each time. Having another character explain the power, while the main in question confirms or disprove it is another way it's done.

Yes it was stated in Irene's backstory.

He was able to figure out a bit of it. Its not like August was going to state all his weaknesses to August. He was just surprised he figured out his weakness in the first place. Not really. The character themselves usually explains their power set or someone else who is close to them explains it for us.

 

[OharaLibrarian]

I know this might be unpopular, but I'd actually give this to Natsu for the following reasons:

- It's true that August can reflect Natsu's magic, but as he stated after Universe One, Natsu can negate (counter) the reflected magic
- Not to mention that as a dragon slayer he is immune to all magic August reflects on him (as illustrated by Serena attacking Natsu)
- And this also means Natsu can eat that fire to recover energy, meaning August is screwed if he tries to block Natsu's attacks
- This means August has to rely on the few extra crappy magics he knows, like the rip-off meteor or his magic bullets
- Natsu can still however fight without his magic, as illustrated in previous fights with magic negating users such as Yuka
- Natsu was already smart enough to work around August's attack on his first encounter with him, so I definetely think there's room for more
- Also yeah, Natsu was able to one-shot the strongest being in existence to the point of paralysis with a single fist

Because of these reasons I do think Natsu is capable of standing up to August. (pls don't kill me)