Semifinal Natsu vs August

[Seven777]

*Sigh* Yeah bcs Mest who got beat by Marin could survive a spell like that without it being completely negated? A fraction of that huge attack would've killed at least Mest.

He would gain magic from eating it.

Again they weren't in pain afterwards. They were completely fine after that attack.

Acno wasn't even near the continent when Irene uses her DS magic yet he still knew she was a DS as soon as she used therefore he would've knew if he used a DS attack.

*Sigh* did you not see everyone screaming? Do i need to post the page again? I trust you can at least look up and see properly. Mest was hit, Happy was hit. I didnt say Natsu negating Melt did nothing, but it did less than the barrier, that is fact.

August doesnt need magic, did Laxus eat Rufus' attack? No? Because he didnt need magic. Beside's, then Azir would get hit by some of the nuke.

Werent in pain? So they were just screaming for the fun of it?
As for afterwards, Mest was gone, Lucy had Natsu jump on her, Happy was titan sized at the time(and is a tank). Plus Natsu negated most of it.

Sure, Acno wouldve known if August used a DS attack, so what? Why would he go after August before he goes after Eileen, who also happened to have Wendy with her.

 

[Raven]

I know this might be unpopular, but I'd actually give this to Natsu for the following reasons:

- It's true that August can reflect Natsu's magic, but as he stated after Universe One, Natsu can negate (counter) the reflected magic
- Not to mention that as a dragon slayer he is immune to all magic August reflects on him (as illustrated by Serena attacking Natsu)
- And this also means Natsu can eat that fire to recover energy, meaning August is screwed if he tries to block Natsu's attacks
- This means August has to rely on the few extra crappy magics he knows, like the rip-off meteor or his magic bullets
- Natsu can still however fight without his magic, as illustrated in previous fights with magic negating users such as Yuka
- Natsu was already smart enough to work around August's attack on his first encounter with him, so I definetely think there's room for more
- Also yeah, Natsu was able to one-shot the strongest being in existence to the point of paralysis with a single fist

Because of these reasons I do think Natsu is capable of standing up to August. (pls don't kill me)

Who said it's unpopular?

Natsu takes this. He beat a god yet ppl still deny his powers.

 

[Kiki]

August is not that ignorant imo. He should be aware of it that dragon slayer is able to eat elemental magic (same element) so he won't copy Natsu's fire dragon slaying magic (assuming August can copy it), since Natsu would end up eating it. So why are you guys stuck in whether he can copy DS magic or not?

 

[inactive lurker account]

I have said this before in the August vs God Serena thread, that the two universal claims about (1) the requirements for using dragon slayer magic and (2) August's copying ability, can be reconciled if either or both claims are slightly restricted.

It seems that those who overestimate the king of magic would use (2) to restrict the applicability of (1) to ordinary mages, while those who underestimate the king of magic would use (1) to restrict the scope of (2) to caster magic that has no special requirements. Basically at this point either one makes August exceptional with regard to what can or cannot be done, or one places exceptions to what he can do.

 

[Jko]

The point is that he made a choice. And choosing to go after a DS does not invalidate any other DS. Not that I'm arguing for Melt being a DS attack (as I don't recall everything about that chapter), but it doesn't work as a reason to invalidate August. Acno could have gone for any other day. There was no shortage of them

If he had August was DS he would've at lasted stated he was going to go for him. He went straight to Irene but never once mentioned August or entertained the idea to go after him. Acno was planning to kill the rest of the DS in the war. He wouldn't of let August get away. All the other DS are tired so why wouldn't he get the the daughter of a Dragon and a DS who are running away before they can run and hide?

If August was DS he would've went straight for him since he would've been the strongest DS at the time instead he went for Irene.

If August was DS Acno would've knew but he never showed any interest in August in the war.

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August is not that ignorant imo. He should be aware of it that dragon slayer is able to eat elemental magic (same element) so he won't copy Natsu's fire dragon slaying magic (assuming August can copy it), because Natsu would end up eating it. So why are you guys stuck in whether he can copy DS magic or not?

He used a fire attack on Natsu so I wouldn't be too sure of that lol.

 

[Holt]

August is not that ignorant imo. He should be aware of it that dragon slayer is able to eat elemental magic (same element) so he won't copy Natsu's fire dragon slaying magic (assuming August can copy it), because Natsu would end up eating it. So why are you guys stuck in whether he can copy DS magic or not?

Well copying also comes with nullification....

 

[~Charging Lightning~]

He would gain magic from eating it.

I see you using this argument over and over again. In that case, why did Natsu not eat August's spell? He would gain magic from it and have a full belly.In fact a spell like that would make him as strong as ever. Do you see know why you're grasping at straws?

Also I see how you're ignoring my post that says Natsu was close to Lucy, Happy, and Mest while August was far away from Ajeel

 

[Kiki]

He used a fire attack on Natsu so I wouldn't be too sure of that lol.

It was not only on Natsu, but on Natsu, Lucy, Mest, and Happy.

Well copying also comes with nullification....

I thought copying =/= nullification?

 

[Holt]

If he had August was DS he would've at lasted stated he was going to go for him. He went straight to Irene but never once mentioned August or entertained the idea to go after him. Acno was planning to kill the rest of the DS in the war. He wouldn't of let August get away. All the other DS are tired so why wouldn't he get the the daughter of a Dragon and a DS who are running away before they can run and hide?

If August was DS he would've went straight for him since he would've been the strongest DS at the time instead he went for Irene.

If August was DS Acno would've knew but he never showed any interest in August in the war.

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He used a fire attack on Natsu so I wouldn't be too sure of that lol.

That doesn't prove anything because in the end, he still went after Eileen. August will not be a DS by default until the magic is used and he copies it. Even then, the fact remains that Eileen was his target.

 

[Jko]

*Sigh* did you not see everyone screaming? Do i need to post the page again? I trust you can at least look up and see properly. Mest was hit, Happy was hit. I didnt say Natsu negating Melt did nothing, but it did less than the barrier, that is fact.

August doesnt need magic, did Laxus eat Rufus' attack? No? Because he didnt need magic. Beside's, then Azir would get hit by some of the nuke.

Werent in pain? So they were just screaming for the fun of it?
As for afterwards, Mest was gone, Lucy had Natsu jump on her, Happy was titan sized at the time(and is a tank). Plus Natsu negated most of it.

Sure, Acno wouldve known if August used a DS attack, so what? Why would he go after August before he goes after Eileen, who also happened to have Wendy with her.

They got hurt from the concessive force. Just like Natsu was damage by Jackal's attacks. He wasn't hurt by the heat he was hurt from the blunt damage.

Mest couldn't even take Marin' s attack yet hes supposed to take a fraction of that attack? The heat would've incarcerated him.

Irene was dead...

 

[~Charging Lightning~]

It was not only on Natsu, but on Natsu, Lucy, Mest, and Happy.

^This. The fire attack would not harm Natsu but it would harm Mest, Lucy, and Happy. Universe one is what saved them, not Natsu negating the magic.

I thought copying =/= nullification?

Well August's copying comes with nullification (but only to him, not his surroundings).

 

[Holt]

It was not only on Natsu, but on Natsu, Lucy, Mest, and Happy.

I thought copying =/= nullification?

I'm referring to August's ability to nullify an attack used on him by utilizing copy magic

 

[Jko]

That doesn't prove anything because in the end, he still went after Eileen. August will not be a DS by default until the magic is used and he copies it. Even then, the fact remains that Eileen was his target.

So he doesn't have the magic therefore he wasn't a DS. He has shown nothing to prove he has DS abilities. There has never been a hint or indication of such therefore he doesn't have it. If he doesn't have that means he can't copy it as has been around four DS and has none of their magic.

 

[Takuan]

I know this might be unpopular, but I'd actually give this to Natsu for the following reasons:

- It's true that August can reflect Natsu's magic, but as he stated after Universe One, Natsu can negate (counter) the reflected magic
- Not to mention that as a dragon slayer he is immune to all magic August reflects on him (as illustrated by Serena attacking Natsu)
- And this also means Natsu can eat that fire to recover energy, meaning August is screwed if he tries to block Natsu's attacks
- This means August has to rely on the few extra crappy magics he knows, like the rip-off meteor or his magic bullets
- Natsu can still however fight without his magic, as illustrated in previous fights with magic negating users such as Yuka
- Natsu was already smart enough to work around August's attack on his first encounter with him, so I definetely think there's room for more
- Also yeah, Natsu was able to one-shot the strongest being in existence to the point of paralysis with a single fist

Because of these reasons I do think Natsu is capable of standing up to August. (pls don't kill me)

Wait, so you think Natsu with NO magic, could defeat August?
Yup, that's an unpopular opinion to say the least.
Even Gildarts with actually a magic working on August (his arm) couldn't do anything more than a nose bleed. There's no way Natsu beats August with only CQC.

 

[inactive lurker account]

Let me just note that the exchanges here wouldn't have been as contentious if only Hiro had spent more time clarifying what August can or cannot do. But instead he was in the backseat for most of the arc, his main fight was rushed, his back story was rushed, the true nature of his magic isn't explained, he died by his own suicide spell and not by some natural weakness, and nothing was even said about him in the volume afterword... assuming further restrictions to the guy would basically just further the layers of neglect and abuse heaped upon him by the story and the author

That being said, that is why I'm sticking to an optimized interpretation of his powers, because that was something I would have wanted to see but which Hiro failed to deliver, for whatever reason. This stance does not necessarily contradict what was shown, but it relies on favorable extrapolation and interpretation

 

[Jko]

It was not only on Natsu, but on Natsu, Lucy, Mest, and Happy.


I thought copying =/= nullification?

I just got your argument just ignore that lol.

 

[Kiki]

Well August's copying comes with nullification (but only to him, not his surroundings).

I'm referring to August's ability to nullify an attack used on him by utilizing copy magic

Okay, then the case is closed as August was able to nullify Laxus' nuke. What was it if it was not a dragon slaying magic?

 

[Pheromone]

Let me just note that the exchanges here wouldn't have been as contentious if only Hiro spent more time clarifying what August can or cannot do.

Mashima clarified what August could and couldn't do. Not the issue at hand.

The problem stems from August's actions, as well as those of the remaining Spriggan. Given a combination of the hax, lethal magic of all the Spriggan, this war should have been over the moment it started. Unfortunately, the Spriggans fought independently of one another, employing their own magic lazily, whenever the plot dictated that they should.

 

[inactive lurker account]

Mashima clarified what August could and couldn't do. Not the issue at hand.

The problem stems from August's actions, as well as those of the remaining Spriggan. Given a combination of the hax, lethal magic of all the Spriggan, this war should have been over the moment it started. Unfortunately, the Spriggans fought independently of the others, employing their own magic lazily, whenever the plot dictated that they should.

I disagree. What has been clarified is the main restriction of his copying ability. Nothing at all was said about the particular questions and disputations in this thread. Moreover, we get almost nothing about the other perks and implications of him having magic that's 'neither light nor dark'

I agree with your points about their lackluster action though. The empire really did not even have to send an army, even just 6 of the 12 in a covert operation would have been able to bring down Fiore

 

[Static]

Acno was teleported away when he found out Irene was a DS too so he would've knew August was a DS when he used Melr. He went after them to chase Wendy and kill Erza also as she was the daughter of Irene a DS.

Just wanna point out that Mashima said in an interview that Acnologia didn't smell Irene as a Dragon was only because her connection to Erza was still undecided so he couldn't have her dead there.