Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[Woodenstool]

Dragons or humans he has the ability to take souls away it wasn't stated that it only work on dragons. 2. It his power it just proves that he is stronger than ingeel base on that ability 3. The only disadvantage he had was he wasn't 100% that's it.

Yes they were they couldn't put quick work on the dragon slayers who ain't 100% bro the argument isn't that if the ds can beat the GMG dragons we know that GMG dragons>ds it about that they couldn't put quick work on them.

Bro I'm talking about be4 natsu nakamfied Alta's flames. He couldn't put damage on a base exchausted natsu.

Just like how the gmg dragons will eventually had beat the ds same logic that apply with acno. He would have caught to Christina and kil them. (In fact he did in the manga except the killing part)

Idk how it's a large part if anything it's speak about his speed. In which it doesn't mean that much he does has other categories. And ingeel isn't speedster either But u put them above the parent dragons tho right?

Anco slays dragons for centuries>ripping acno arm. Ingeel doesn't have the capable feat.

There was a ds on the ship and child of the creator of DS why do U think he chase after a ship?

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That not the point bro zeref with FH isn't omnipotent

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Except xeno>>>>zeref. Zeno=\= zeref. We have seen immortal die in mangas. Example zamasu bro. Zeref confirmed that BKDM natsu would have kill him. Again it was stated that FH GIVES Unmlimited magic not infinite power. Being able to rewind time doesn't mean ur omnipotent it just a hax magic. Great example is Whis he isn't omnipotent so ur logic is debunked. It was even confirmed that august known more magic than zeref

No one said that

 

[Nemispelled]

An appeal to popularity fallacy. Just because everyone agrees with a certain topic doesn't mean it's correct.

Jihad is acceptable in the Middle East so does it make it right to have it in the US? No, it's a logical fallacy.

Try again with a real argument

Yeah, so how about I turn your statement back on you: Just because a few people think it's correct, it doesn't mean it is.

Everything that I state is my opinion, I'm aware of that. But based from the actual pages of the manga, it's fair to conclude that Acnologia did not live up to his overall hype. There was no PiS during the Acnologia vs. Christina encounter. Acnologia's speed was just surprisingly slower than everybody expected.

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Dragons or humans he has the ability to take souls away it wasn't stated that it only work on dragons. 2. It his power it just proves that he is stronger than ingeel base on that ability 3. The only disadvantage he had was he wasn't 100% that's it.

Yes they were they couldn't put quick work on the dragon slayers who ain't 100% bro the argument isn't that if the ds can beat the GMG dragons we know that GMG dragons>ds it about that they couldn't put quick work on them.

Bro I'm talking about be4 natsu nakamfied Alta's flames. He couldn't put damage on a base exchausted natsu.

Just like how the gmg dragons will eventually had beat the ds same logic that apply with acno. He would have caught to Christina and kil them. (In fact he did in the manga except the killing part)

Idk how it's a large part if anything it's speak about his speed. In which it doesn't mean that much he does has other categories. And ingeel isn't speedster either But u put them above the parent dragons tho right?

Anco slays dragons for centuries>ripping acno arm. Ingeel doesn't have the capable feat.

There was a ds on the ship and child of the creator of DS why do U think he chase after a ship?

Dragons or humans can steal souls... but Acnologia's magic was specifically made to steal the soul of a dragon. I've never seen him perform that technique on a human. It was stated in the manga that Acnologia extracted the souls of many dragons during the Civil War, which caused the whole race to nearly become extinct.

So we know for a fact it was a disadvantage to Igneel because Metalicana stated that Acnologia stole all of their dragon souls.



The GMG dragons were toying around. That's why no quick work was involved.

At the end of the day, they killed a few dragon slayers with relative ease. As for Natsu, he could eat Atlas Flame's fire. So that's why the flames didn't do any damage. Shortly after that, Atlas Flame found out Natsu was raised by Igneel and stopped fighting him.

The GMG dragons never struggled to beat the DS. They killed them with a swipe from their bare claws. But that's besides the point, because I put most of them at low-tier anyways.

Acnologia, however, was hyped to be top-tier... Well, clearly he isn't, since he struggled to just catch up to Christina. There are dragons who can travel 100x faster. Acnologia's feats aren't top-tier.



Acnologia doesn't just have poor speed. He has abnormally low intelligence. His attack got blocked by Jellal. And he lost to 7 critically injured DS.

Igneel actually took the arm of a dragon while he was half-dead.

The only reason why Acnologia was able to slay many dragons was because he had an advantage with his dragon soul extraction technique. Not to mention, most of them were probably low-tier anyways. If any of the dragons were prominent, they would have been mentioned or named.



Just because 1 DS was on that ship, it doesn't give him the excuse to charge it blindly like a fodder.

What's the rush? I thought Acnologia was stronger than the entire continent?

He has all the time in the world, he's been killing people for 400 years... it doesn't hurt to stretch it out a few more days. And there are many other stronger DS out there.

The wise thing to do is to kill them off one-by-one. Not chase an airship that is faster than you.

Wendy can run, but she can't hide forever. Especially when her DS friends are slowly being slaughtered.

 

[Woodenstool]

Yeah, so how about I turn your statement back on you: Just because a few people think it's correct, it doesn't mean it is.

Everything that I state is my opinion, I'm aware of that. But based from the actual pages of the manga, it's fair to conclude that Acnologia did not live up to his overall hype. There was no PiS during the Acnologia vs. Christina encounter. Acnologia's speed was just surprisingly slower than everybody expected.

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Dragons or humans can steal souls... but Acnologia's magic was specifically made to steal the soul of a dragon. I've never seen him perform that technique on a human. It was stated in the manga that Acnologia extracted the souls of many dragons during the Civil War, which caused the whole race to nearly become extinct.

So we know for a fact it was a disadvantage to Igneel because Metalicana stated that Acnologia stole all of their dragon souls.



The GMG dragons were toying around. That's why no quick work was involved.

At the end of the day, they killed a few dragon slayers with relative ease. As for Natsu, he could eat Atlas Flame's fire. So that's why the flames didn't do any damage. Shortly after that, Atlas Flame found out Natsu was raised by Igneel and stopped fighting him.

The GMG dragons never struggled to beat the DS. They killed them with a swipe from their bare claws. But that's besides the point, because I put most of them at low-tier anyways.

Acnologia, however, was hyped to be top-tier... Well, clearly he isn't, since he struggled to just catch up to Christina. There are dragons who can travel 100x faster. Acnologia's feats aren't top-tier.



Acnologia doesn't just have poor speed. He has abnormally low intelligence. His attack got blocked by Jellal. And he lost to 7 critically injured DS.

Igneel actually took the arm of a dragon while he was half-dead.

The only reason why Acnologia was able to slay many dragons was because he had an advantage with his dragon soul extraction technique. Not to mention, most of them were probably low-tier anyways. If any of the dragons were prominent, they would have been mentioned or named.



Just because 1 DS was on that ship, it doesn't give him the excuse to charge it blindly like a fodder.

What's the rush? I thought Acnologia was stronger than the entire continent?

He has all the time in the world, he's been killing people for 400 years... it doesn't hurt to stretch it out a few more days. And there are many other stronger DS out there.

The wise thing to do is to kill them off one-by-one. Not chase an airship that is faster than you.

Wendy can run, but she can't hide forever. Especially when her DS friends are slowly being slaughtered.

No the dragons were being handicapped so they didn't kill main characters.

Acnologia remains the strongest right below is Gildarts.

 

[Nemispelled]

No the dragons were being handicapped so they didn't kill main characters.

Acnologia remains the strongest right below is Gildarts.

Acnologia couldn't even kill side characters. Ichiya, Anna, Blue Pegasus, and Jellal are all still alive.

Acnologia wasn't handicapped against Christina. Everything was set up fairly. It's just that he was slower than the airship.

 

[Woodenstool]

No one dies in Fairy tail. Look at Makarov.

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And didn't Acnologia catch up the ship and forced Jellal to come out and blind him.

You like to downplay Acnologia by saying he couldn't even kill Anna and the other guy when they stated they created an inbalanced and was forced out.

If you read chapter 541, Acnologia dominated the dragon slayers the same way Jon Jones dominated D.C. on Saturday. He didn't move from his position and had all of them on the verge of death. Keep in mind Acnologia is split into another form.

The same formula would of been applied to the dragon slayers just like god Serena.

 

[Nemispelled]

And didn't Acnologia catch up the ship and forced Jellal to come out and blind him.

You like to downplay Acnologia by saying he couldn't even kill Anna and the other guy when they stated they created an inbalanced and was forced out.

If you read chapter 541, Acnologia dominated the dragon slayers the same way Jon Jones dominated D.C. on Saturday. He didn't move from his position and had all of them on the verge of death. Keep in mind Acnologia is split into another form.

The same formula would of been applied to the dragon slayers just like god Serena.

Acnologia should have destroyed the airship along with everybody inside it. "Catching up and forcing Jellal to come out" is pathetic, in my opinion. He's a full-fledged dragon capable of producing a long-range roar.


I doubt I'm downplaying Acnologia. I'm re-stating his feats straight from the manga pages. The reason why Acnologia is being "criticized" so much is because he was hyped up to be a top-tier dragon. His performance clearly did not support that fact.


If Acnologia was meant to be comparable to Neinhart, then his feats against Christina are fine (or at least makes some sense). Acnologia splitting into 2 forms was entirely his fault. That's not an excuse.


Mashima was even nice enough to give him a second chance by allowing him to eat the timelapse and emerge from it. His incompetence is what made him fail miserably.

 

[Woodenstool]

This is why powerscaling exist. You can't scale a character with just feats alone.

Watch seththeprogrammers video.

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Acnologia should have destroyed the airship along with everybody inside it. "Catching up and forcing Jellal to come out" is pathetic, in my opinion. He's a full-fledged dragon capable of producing a long-range roar.


I doubt I'm downplaying Acnologia. I'm re-stating his feats straight from the manga pages. The reason why Acnologia is being "criticized" so much is because he was hyped up to be a top-tier dragon. His performance clearly did not support that fact.


If Acnologia was meant to be comparable to Neinhart, then his feats against Christina are fine (or at least makes some sense). Acnologia splitting into 2 forms was entirely his fault. That's not an excuse.


Mashima was even nice enough to give him a second chance by allowing him to eat the timelapse and emerge from it. His incompetence is what made him fail miserably.

You read this story long enough to know that Hiro Mashima isn't going to kill off any character in the story. Makarov died in a perfect setup and it was ruined when he came back.

 

[Nemispelled]

This is why powerscaling exist. You can't scale a character with just feats alone.

Watch seththeprogrammers video.

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You read this story long enough to know that Hiro Mashima isn't going to kill off any character in the story. Makarov died in a perfect setup and it was ruined when he came back.

I agree you can't scale a character with just feats alone. But Acnologia's track record isn't reliable either and it has a lot of questionable factors involved. He made too many wrong and foolish decisions that it's almost impossible for him to redeem himself.



And once again, you're misunderstanding the point. I do not expect him to kill any significant character in the story. All I'm simply asking is for Acnologia to show some decent or impressive feats, whether that be fodderizing Christina or making intelligence decisions that actually pose a threat.

Mard Geer could barely kill anybody, but as a villain, he excels far higher than Acnologia.

He was barely fazed after taking a secret art spell from DF Natsu at point-blank range and caused Gray trouble when he casted Memento Mori. He didn't constantly make foolish mistakes and succeeded in living up to his overall hype.

He fought Sting, Rogue, and DF Natsu with little difficulty and put up a decent fight against Pre-DeS Gray.

His speed and defensive stats were beyond impressive for that arc and his offensive techniques actually had potential to become a major threat.



So all this PoF excuse is kinda irrelevant to me. I'm not asking for Acnologia to slaughter the FT verse.

I simply don't want to see dumb and ridiculous mistakes being repeated over the course of a few seconds.

 

[Anti Hero 3:16]

I agree you can't scale a character with just feats alone. But Acnologia's track record isn't reliable either and it has a lot of questionable factors involved. He made too many wrong and foolish decisions that it's almost impossible for him to redeem himself.



And once again, you're misunderstanding the point. I do not expect him to kill any significant character in the story. All I'm simply asking is for Acnologia to show some decent or impressive feats, whether that be fodderizing Christina or making intelligence decisions that actually pose a threat.

Mard Geer could barely kill anybody, but as a villain, he excels far higher than Acnologia.

He was barely fazed after taking a secret art spell from DF Natsu at point-blank range and caused Gray trouble when he casted Memento Mori. He didn't constantly make foolish mistakes and succeeded in living up to his overall hype.

He fought Sting, Rogue, and DF Natsu with little difficulty and put up a decent fight against Pre-DeS Gray.

His speed and defensive stats were beyond impressive for that arc and his offensive techniques actually had potential to become a major threat.



So all this PoF excuse is kinda irrelevant to me. I'm not asking for Acnologia to slaughter the FT verse.

I simply don't want to see dumb and ridiculous mistakes being repeated over the course of a few seconds.

Sorry but this is a joke right, mard geer was totally overwhelmed by DF moves to the point that he was surprised by the power. If natsu had an access to that power like he had vs zero abd jellal I am pretty sure he could have taken out mard himself. He was totall owning Sting, Roue, pre DF natsu and even des gra quite easily in his base and later etherious form.

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Some where at the end of the manga I wanted to see a fight of gildarts and natsu with natsu going all out and showing all forms (lfdm, fdkm and DF) and beating him finally in a way of passing of torch kind of like they do in pro wrestling.

 

[Demon Hunter]

DF Natsu didn't really damage much Mard Geer.

yeah, he punched him a few times but MG tanked a Secret Art from it and he was far from done.

oh and DF Natsu (Tartaros) > pre DF Natsu before someone jumps on that discussion again.

 

[Anti Hero 3:16]

DF Natsu didn't really damage much Mard Geer.

yeah, he punched him a few times but MG tanked a Secret Art from it and he was far from done.

oh and DF Natsu (Tartaros) > pre DF Natsu before someone jumps on that discussion again.

Well yeah mard was a tank no doubt what I am saying that for a brief moment of his attacks he was able to overwhelm him to the point that even mard geer was very shocked(mind you he was not shocked he was not shocked even with gray's des attacks in etherious mode except for gray tanking MM) but that's not surprise since Df natsu has always been kind of OP.
As far as tartaros DF natsu > pre DF natsu that is a logically a fact simply coz DF is 3-4 times his base strength and tartaros natsu is superior to previous versions.
By the way going little off topic I like your goku's photo. Its kind of sad how they have made him joke in DB super after he was so better in old DBZ series, imo super saiyan was a lot better than super blue which is somewhat of a joke.

 

[Demon Hunter]

Well yeah mard was a tank no doubt what I am saying that for a brief moment of his attacks he was able to overwhelm him to the point that even mard geer was very shocked(mind you he was not shocked he was not shocked even with gray's des attacks in etherious mode except for gray tanking MM) but that's not surprise since Df natsu has always been kind of OP.
As far as tartaros DF natsu > pre DF natsu that is a logically a fact simply coz DF is 3-4 times his base strength and tartaros natsu is superior to previous versions.
By the way going little off topic I like your goku's photo. Its kind of sad how they have made him joke in DB super after he was so better in old DBZ series, imo super saiyan was a lot better than super blue which is somewhat of a joke.

Thanks

yeah, my boy is getting his ass kicked... unlike Natsu.

just recently he got Loki'ed

Spoiler

but he holds back thankfully

Spoiler

but he will fight Jiren and come back on the pedestal

anyway, he overwhelmed him true but it doesn't change the fact that he was not that FAZED.

it shocked him more then it actually damaged him.

 

[LaGOAT]

Yeah, so how about I turn your statement back on you: Just because a few people think it's correct, it doesn't mean it is.

Everything that I state is my opinion, I'm aware of that. But based from the actual pages of the manga, it's fair to conclude that Acnologia did not live up to his overall hype. There was no PiS during the Acnologia vs. Christina encounter. Acnologia's speed was just surprisingly slower than everybody expected.

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Dragons or humans can steal souls... but Acnologia's magic was specifically made to steal the soul of a dragon. I've never seen him perform that technique on a human. It was stated in the manga that Acnologia extracted the souls of many dragons during the Civil War, which caused the whole race to nearly become extinct.

So we know for a fact it was a disadvantage to Igneel because Metalicana stated that Acnologia stole all of their dragon souls.



The GMG dragons were toying around. That's why no quick work was involved.

At the end of the day, they killed a few dragon slayers with relative ease. As for Natsu, he could eat Atlas Flame's fire. So that's why the flames didn't do any damage. Shortly after that, Atlas Flame found out Natsu was raised by Igneel and stopped fighting him.

The GMG dragons never struggled to beat the DS. They killed them with a swipe from their bare claws. But that's besides the point, because I put most of them at low-tier anyways.

Acnologia, however, was hyped to be top-tier... Well, clearly he isn't, since he struggled to just catch up to Christina. There are dragons who can travel 100x faster. Acnologia's feats aren't top-tier.



Acnologia doesn't just have poor speed. He has abnormally low intelligence. His attack got blocked by Jellal. And he lost to 7 critically injured DS.

Igneel actually took the arm of a dragon while he was half-dead.

The only reason why Acnologia was able to slay many dragons was because he had an advantage with his dragon soul extraction technique. Not to mention, most of them were probably low-tier anyways. If any of the dragons were prominent, they would have been mentioned or named.



Just because 1 DS was on that ship, it doesn't give him the excuse to charge it blindly like a fodder.

What's the rush? I thought Acnologia was stronger than the entire continent?

He has all the time in the world, he's been killing people for 400 years... it doesn't hurt to stretch it out a few more days. And there are many other stronger DS out there.

The wise thing to do is to kill them off one-by-one. Not chase an airship that is faster than you.

Wendy can run, but she can't hide forever. Especially when her DS friends are slowly being slaughtered.

fine enough... but i dont see as an disadvantage i mean that like saying Dragons are at a disadvantage vs DS. BECAUSE THEY have a power of a dragon. but we know dragons>DS in power. plus ITS HIS DS ABILITY

no gmg dragons are not toying arround even alta flames was shocked that they wasnt oneshoted http://www.mangatown.com/manga/fairy_tail/v35/c329/10.html

atla flames coudlnt kill a single human after this attack
http://www.mangatown.com/manga/fairy_tail/v35/c329/11.html

sting even confirmed this
http://www.mangatown.com/manga/fairy_tail/v35/c329/14.html

while acno oneshoted the former strongest wizard in ighar? and ur saying he is low tier dragon? because he couldnt kill any1 on the ship?

ok even if we going by parent dragons>ingeel and acno in speed i guess ingeel isnt stop tier because they didnt show any traveling speed feat according to ur logic.

so? if ingeel fight gmg natsu ur saying he wouldnt get oneshoted because he a fire DS?

just how the gmg dragons was hit by the plot from then preventing to kill any fodder is the same logic with acno not able kill them/able to catch up to chistana. i mean obviously the reason he didnt catch them instantly because they needed to explain who anna was and their plan to stop acnologia otherwise it would have been quick work. go reread the chapter.

jellal blocked a causal move from acno i dont see how that degrades him? and lost to POF 7DSM natsu because of plot. trust me if ingeel fought erza he would have a difficult time beat her y?? because of plot

ya he took his arm that his a great feat but how does that prove he stronger than acno? when he tanked ingeel attacks like it was nothing. so? that feat alone is still better than igneel like i have been saying in the previous posts. ingeel till have to show better feats than acno in the series other than ripping his arm. acno show better feats than that.

i mean if he went back to look for the other DS he will again be hit by the plot because hiro will still find a way to keep them alive. so either way anco would screwed becuase of the power of plot,so again i dont see how that show low intelligence. he is stronger than the whole continent i mean he screwed either way u looked at it.

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No one said that

bro look at his previous post

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You talk like if you don't know FH , FH is superior to the three great fairy magics. This could wiped out an entire consent for infinity and this magic is stronger than Fairy Law and Fairy Glitter. When Zeref had FH was stronger , he would but it will come back to life ..oh one more thing Zamasu is immortal but he doesn't have a power like Zeref. Zertef could solo an entire anime universe , his energy is endless like he is not going to be tired or losing magic. He is lost to Natsu because of plot armor

haha so by ur logic zeref>beerus and whis because FH is infinity. go reread the chapter of what FH is it gives u unlimited magic meaning he doesnt run of magic. im talking fuse zamasu. 2. none fused zamasu is immortal but is weaker than goku so does taht mean his stronger than goku? u just need higher power to kill off an immortal. BDKM natsu can kill zeref because he HAS THE POWER TO DO SO. simple as that having more energy=/= being stronger goku oneshots zeref if they fought. zeref isnt an omnipotent he isnt a universe buster

 

[Anti Hero 3:16]

fine enough... but i dont see as an disadvantage i mean that like saying Dragons are at a disadvantage vs DS. BECAUSE THEY have a power of a dragon. but we know dragons>DS in power. plus ITS HIS DS ABILITY

no gmg dragons are not toying arround even alta flames was shocked that they wasnt oneshoted http://www.mangatown.com/manga/fairy_tail/v35/c329/10.html

atla flames coudlnt kill a single human after this attack
http://www.mangatown.com/manga/fairy_tail/v35/c329/11.html

sting even confirmed this
http://www.mangatown.com/manga/fairy_tail/v35/c329/14.html

while acno oneshoted the former strongest wizard at isghar? and ur saying he is low tier dragon? because he couldnt kill any1 on the ship?

ok even if we going by parent dragons>ingeel and acno in speed i guess ingeel isnt stop tier because they didnt show any traveling speed feat according to ur logic.

so? if ingeel fight gmg natsu ur saying he wouldnt get oneshoted because he a fire DS?

just how the gmg dragons was hit by the plot from then preventing to kill any fodder is the same logic with acno not able save them we saw him catch up to chistana. i mean obviously the reason he didnt catch them instantly because they needed to explain who anna was and their plan to stop acnologia otherwise it would have been quick work. go reread the chapter.

jellal blocked a causal move from acno i dont see how that degrades him? and lost to POF 7DSM natsu because of plot. trust me if ingeel fought erza he would have a difficult time beat her y?? because of plot

ya he took his arm that his a great feat but how does that prove he stronger than acno? when he tanked ingeel attacks like it was nothing. so? that feat alone is still better than ingeel like i have been saying in the previous posts. ingeel till have show better feats than acno in the series other than reaping his arm. acno show better feats than that.

i mean if he went back to look for the other DS he will again be hit by the plot because hiro will still find a way to keep them alive. so either way anco would screwed becuase of the power of plot,so again i dont see how that show low intelligence. he is stronger than the whole continent i mean he screwed either way u looked at it.

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bro look at his previous post

Well there is something called as plot. If this was a villain group I can bet that attack would have wiped or atleast would have taken them out. Even the dragons totally slayed the DS and some of them would have even died if not for ultear.
As for acnologia, its obvious he could have finished off if not for stupid plot anyone, jellal was a fodder compared to acnologia. He was fodderised along with his full team by august who himself will be probably fodderised b acnologia.
Acnologia is still by far has most impressive feats in FT universe, he was trashed by ridiculous writing.

 

[LaGOAT]

Well there is something called as plot. If this was a villain group I can bet that attack would have wiped or atleast would have taken them out. Even the dragons totally slayed the DS and some of them would have even died if not for ultear.
As for acnologia, its obvious he could have finished off if not for stupid plot anyone, jellal was a fodder compared to acnologia. He was fodderised along with his full team by august who himself will be probably fodderised b acnologia.
Acnologia is still by far has most impressive feats in FT universe, he was trashed by ridiculous writing.

bro thats my point tho reread my post

 

[Nemispelled]

Sorry but this is a joke right, mard geer was totally overwhelmed by DF moves to the point that he was surprised by the power. If natsu had an access to that power like he had vs zero abd jellal I am pretty sure he could have taken out mard himself. He was totall owning Sting, Roue, pre DF natsu and even des gra quite easily in his base and later etherious form.

Actually no, that isn't a joke. Natsu's DF in Tartaros Arc is a lot stronger than Natsu's DF in Oracion Seis Arc.

As for Mard Geer, he wasn't even close to being overwhelmed. He was barely fazed by a combination of DF + Dragon Slayer Secret Art from Natsu:

Spoiler: Mard Geer barely fazed by Natsu's DF + DS Secret Art Spell

Mard Geer had no problem against Sting, Rogue, and DF Natsu. He beat them with little difficulty.

However, DeS Gray caused him some trouble, although he still put up a decent fight:

Spoiler: Gray giving Mard Geer a tougher time

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fine enough... but i dont see as an disadvantage i mean that like saying Dragons are at a disadvantage vs DS. BECAUSE THEY have a power of a dragon. but we know dragons>DS in power. plus ITS HIS DS ABILITY

Technically, dragons are at a disadvantage against DS. It just so happens that most of them are still stronger even with the disadvantage. But Acnologia's soul extraction technique is a major disadvantage for Igneel because it is unavoidable and diminishes the life force of any dragon.

no gmg dragons are not toying arround even alta flames was shocked that they wasnt oneshoted http://www.mangatown.com/manga/fairy_tail/v35/c329/10.html

atla flames coudlnt kill a single human after this attack
http://www.mangatown.com/manga/fairy_tail/v35/c329/11.html

sting even confirmed this
http://www.mangatown.com/manga/fairy_tail/v35/c329/14.html

Atlas Flame was surprised they weren't oneshotted because he was using a casual roar that normally kills fodders. Once he figured out that they were actual wizards, then it made sense to him as to why they were still alive.

The attack Atlas Flame used in that second panel wasn't even meant to kill them. It's nowhere near his finisher move. He was simply powering up and creating a minor shockwave, which pushed back some people.

As for Sting, he practically admitted that he and Rogue were no match for that dragon. If the Eclipse Gate was never destroyed by Atlas Flame + Natsu, then Sting and Rogue would have eventually been slayed by that dragon.

while acno oneshoted the former strongest wizard at isghar? and ur saying he is low tier dragon? because he couldnt kill any1 on the ship?

ok even if we going by parent dragons>ingeel and acno in speed i guess ingeel isnt stop tier because they didnt show any traveling speed feat according to ur logic.

so? if ingeel fight gmg natsu ur saying he wouldnt get oneshoted because he a fire DS?

just how the gmg dragons was hit by the plot from then preventing to kill any fodder is the same logic with acno not able save them we saw him catch up to chistana. i mean obviously the reason he didnt catch them instantly because they needed to explain who anna was and their plan to stop acnologia otherwise it would have been quick work. go reread the chapter.

jellal blocked a causal move from acno i dont see how that degrades him? and lost to POF 7DSM natsu because of plot. trust me if ingeel fought erza he would have a difficult time beat her y?? because of plot

ya he took his arm that his a great feat but how does that prove he stronger than acno? when he tanked ingeel attacks like it was nothing. so? that feat alone is still better than ingeel like i have been saying in the previous posts. ingeel till have show better feats than acno in the series other than reaping his arm. acno show better feats than that.

i mean if he went back to look for the other DS he will again be hit by the plot because hiro will still find a way to keep them alive. so either way anco would screwed becuase of the power of plot,so again i dont see how that show low intelligence. he is stronger than the whole continent i mean he screwed either way u looked at it.

It's up to you to decide how "powerful" God Serena really is. Personally, I never bought into God Serena's hype to begin with, so it makes sense perfect sense that Acnologia is a low-tier dragon.

God Serena was only hyped up by meaningless words, not a reliable track record.



Igneel doesn't need speed feats because he already has the solid feat of severing a low-tier dragon's arm while being half dead.

And yes, theoretically, GMG Natsu could eat Igneel's flames. However, that doesn't stop Igneel from simply blitzing Natsu with his claws.



My point still stands. Acnologia didn't have to chase Christina. And if he did, he should have been faster.

Jellal also blocked Acnologia' attack with a casual shield. Are you telling me it's ok for Acnologia to have his attack blocked by Jellal? Because if that's the case, how can the dude be equivalent to a top-tier dragon?



Igneel taking Acnologia's arm while being half dead proves he is stronger than Acnologia in his original state. Acnologia only tanked Igneel's attack because Igneel was already severely weakened.

Against a full-powered Igneel, he would've lost more than just his arm.



As for the last paragraph, I beg to differ.

Mard Geer didn't kill anybody, yet he showed a lot of impressive feats. The same could be done for Acnologia.

Going after the other dragon slayers is a smarter move because then he wouldn't have to chase an airship that is faster than him.

Plot would make Acnologia ultimately lose. But not in the most pitiful way.

 

[Woodenstool]

Why are you still calling Acnologia a weakling. Constantly throughout the story Acnologia was said to have killed THOUSANDS of dragons and killed so much he turned into one. He already raped Igneel and the other dragons before.

Acnologia did catch the ship but got sick afterwards. What you're saying is your hypothetical fan fiction. "Igneel is stronger and would've taken more than an arm"

You lost all credibility when you said Acnologia is fodder.

 

[LaGOAT]

[QUOTE="Nemispelled, post: 4582463, member: 189999"

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Technically, dragons are at a disadvantage against DS. It just so happens that most of them are still stronger even with the disadvantage. But Acnologia's soul extraction technique is a major disadvantage for Igneel because it is unavoidable and diminishes the life force of any dragon.




Atlas Flame was surprised they weren't oneshotted because he was using a casual roar that normally kills fodders. Once he figured out that they were actual wizards, then it made sense to him as to why they were still alive.

The attack Atlas Flame used in that second panel wasn't even meant to kill them. It's nowhere near his finisher move. He was simply powering up and creating a minor shockwave, which pushed back some people.

As for Sting, he practically admitted that he and Rogue were no match for that dragon. If the Eclipse Gate was never destroyed by Atlas Flame + Natsu, then Sting and Rogue would have eventually been slayed by that dragon.




It's up to you to decide how "powerful" God Serena really is. Personally, I never bought into God Serena's hype to begin with, so it makes sense perfect sense that Acnologia is a low-tier dragon.

God Serena was only hyped up by meaningless words, not a reliable track record.



Igneel doesn't need speed feats because he already has the solid feat of severing a low-tier dragon's arm while being half dead.

And yes, theoretically, GMG Natsu could eat Igneel's flames. However, that doesn't stop Igneel from simply blitzing Natsu with his claws.



My point still stands. Acnologia didn't have to chase Christina. And if he did, he should have been faster.

Jellal also blocked Acnologia' attack with a casual shield. Are you telling me it's ok for Acnologia to have his attack blocked by Jellal? Because if that's the case, how can the dude be equivalent to a top-tier dragon?



Igneel taking Acnologia's arm while being half dead proves he is stronger than Acnologia in his original state. Acnologia only tanked Igneel's attack because Igneel was already severely weakened.

Against a full-powered Igneel, he would've lost more than just his arm.



As for the last paragraph, I beg to differ.

Mard Geer didn't kill anybody, yet he showed a lot of impressive feats. The same could be done for Acnologia.

Going after the other dragon slayers is a smarter move because then he wouldn't have to chase an airship that is faster than him.

Plot would make Acnologia ultimately lose. But not in the most pitiful way.[/QUOTE]
which proves acno>ingeel just like how u believe wendy>irene because of the 'disadvantage" she was fought her. i mean irene fought acno so basically wendy has the power to beat acno because they are both consider "low tier dragons' listen its his ability to take soul from dragons u just have to accept that.

ya there were fodder wizards there too but yet he couldnt casual oneshot none of them just like natsu could casual oneshot bluenote bro so i guess he is pathetic. there shouldnt be no excuse for that plus some of them werent even 100%

again ur not understanding i didnt say sting had a chance. i bring up that he said that the dragons werent holding back but yet couldnt kill any1

come on bro that like saying FF natsu>gildartz because at the time we never knew who he was and didnt have a track record same with the logic applying god serena are u gonna say that gmg natsu>GS because of meanless hype?

yes it does because ur using a ship of downgraded acno speed feat which means igneel cant catch chistana if he was chasing it. that like saying if PH erza was 100% she would have beaten jose. or tartaro natsu was 100% he would have beaten mard geer with DF because he only had little magic left. it doesnt work that way. anco eat magic or take his soul away and its end game for igneel. full power igneel doesn't grantee victory since he has those ability.




ur logic are bias so anco looks bad because jellal blocked his attack but it isnt for Altma flames even tho his causal roar couldnt do shit to group of wizards?

exactly my point anco hasnt been serious the whole entire arc to no1 closest we seen him ''serious'' was against igneel despite no shown his full power. all he did was just toyed with every1

ok he goes after the other DS slayers and then what? keep downgrading him because he couldnt beat a mere DS?? it wouldnt have matter because the power of plot will make him look more stupid cause he would be struggling with the DS . how is chistana faster than him when he actually caught it?

plot made him lose pitual way that the point bro he had all these ability but yet he was heavily nerfed because of PIS/plot.

again ingeel doesnt have any feats to prove that he can tank an attack from 7DSM natsu and the whole contintent that featt alone is above what ingeel did him

@Nemispelled

 

[Anti Hero 3:16]

Actually no, that isn't a joke. Natsu's DF in Tartaros Arc is a lot stronger than Natsu's DF in Oracion Seis Arc.

As for Mard Geer, he wasn't even close to being overwhelmed. He was barely fazed by a combination of DF + Dragon Slayer Secret Art from Natsu:

Spoiler: Mard Geer barely fazed by Natsu's DF + DS Secret Art Spell

Mard Geer had no problem against Sting, Rogue, and DF Natsu. He beat them with little difficulty.

However, DeS Gray caused him some trouble, although he still put up a decent fight:

Spoiler: Gray giving Mard Geer a tougher time

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Technically, dragons are at a disadvantage against DS. It just so happens that most of them are still stronger even with the disadvantage. But Acnologia's soul extraction technique is a major disadvantage for Igneel because it is unavoidable and diminishes the life force of any dragon.




Atlas Flame was surprised they weren't oneshotted because he was using a casual roar that normally kills fodders. Once he figured out that they were actual wizards, then it made sense to him as to why they were still alive.

The attack Atlas Flame used in that second panel wasn't even meant to kill them. It's nowhere near his finisher move. He was simply powering up and creating a minor shockwave, which pushed back some people.

As for Sting, he practically admitted that he and Rogue were no match for that dragon. If the Eclipse Gate was never destroyed by Atlas Flame + Natsu, then Sting and Rogue would have eventually been slayed by that dragon.




It's up to you to decide how "powerful" God Serena really is. Personally, I never bought into God Serena's hype to begin with, so it makes sense perfect sense that Acnologia is a low-tier dragon.

God Serena was only hyped up by meaningless words, not a reliable track record.



Igneel doesn't need speed feats because he already has the solid feat of severing a low-tier dragon's arm while being half dead.

And yes, theoretically, GMG Natsu could eat Igneel's flames. However, that doesn't stop Igneel from simply blitzing Natsu with his claws.



My point still stands. Acnologia didn't have to chase Christina. And if he did, he should have been faster.

Jellal also blocked Acnologia' attack with a casual shield. Are you telling me it's ok for Acnologia to have his attack blocked by Jellal? Because if that's the case, how can the dude be equivalent to a top-tier dragon?



Igneel taking Acnologia's arm while being half dead proves he is stronger than Acnologia in his original state. Acnologia only tanked Igneel's attack because Igneel was already severely weakened.

Against a full-powered Igneel, he would've lost more than just his arm.



As for the last paragraph, I beg to differ.

Mard Geer didn't kill anybody, yet he showed a lot of impressive feats. The same could be done for Acnologia.

Going after the other dragon slayers is a smarter move because then he wouldn't have to chase an airship that is faster than him.

Plot would make Acnologia ultimately lose. But not in the most pitiful way.

Des gray was only able to put up fight against base mard geer not the etherious one. His etherious form still owned both natsu and des gray at the same time. It was the DF attacks which gave opening for gray to use his secret des attack.

 

[Nemispelled]

which proves acno>ingeel just like how u believe wendy>irene because of the 'disadvantage" she was fought her. i mean irene fought acno so basically wendy has the power to beat acno because they are both consider "low tier dragons' listen its his ability to take soul from dragons u just have to accept that.

ya there were fodder wizards there too but yet he couldnt casual oneshot none of them just like natsu could casual oneshot bluenote bro so i guess he is pathetic. there shouldnt be no excuse for that plus some of them werent even 100%

again ur not understanding i didnt say sting had a chance. i bring up that he said that the dragons werent holding back but yet couldnt kill any1

come on bro that like saying FF natsu>gildartz because at the time we never knew who he was and didnt have a track record same with the logic applying god serena are u gonna say that gmg natsu>GS because of meanless hype?

yes it does because ur using a ship of downgraded acno speed feat which means igneel cant catch chistana if he was chasing it. that like saying if PH erza was 100% she would have beaten jose. or tartaro natsu was 100% he would have beaten mard geer with DF because he only had little magic left. it doesnt work that way. anco eat magic or take his soul away and its end game for igneel. full power igneel doesn't grantee victory since he has those ability.




ur logic are bias so anco looks bad because jellal blocked his attack but it isnt for Altma flames even tho his causal roar couldnt do shit to group of wizards?

exactly my point anco hasnt been serious the whole entire arc to no1 closest we seen him ''serious'' was against igneel despite no shown his full power. all he did was just toyed with every1

ok he goes after the other DS slayers and then what? keep downgrading him because he couldnt beat a mere DS?? it wouldnt have matter because the power of plot will make him look more stupid cause he would be struggling with the DS . how is chistana faster than him when he actually caught it?

plot made him lose pitual way that the point bro he had all these ability but yet he was heavily nerfed because of PIS/plot.

again ingeel doesnt have any feats to prove that he can tank an attack from 7DSM natsu and the whole contintent that featt alone is above what ingeel did him

@Nemispelled

How does the disadvantage prove Acnologia > Igneel? Igneel is the one with the disadvantage, not Acnologia. And I don't see how that correlates to Wendy > Irene. Wendy cancelled all of Irene's enchantment spells without any dragon slaying advantage.

Both Acnologia and Irene are low-tier dragons.



Once again, Atlas Flame was never near his full power when he fought Makarov and that group of wizards. He used a casual blast & shockwave that was meant to kill normal human beings... not wizards.

Sting's words aren't facts, he doesn't even know what the full power of a dragon looks like. He was practically admitting defeat, so that just proves my point further that the GMG dragons would have killed everybody (dragon slayers & fodders), if the Eclipse Gate had not been destroyed.

Even Gajeel was killed by his dragon before Ultear turned back time. And Gajeel beat Rogue during the Grand Magic Games.



Gildartz did have a track record. He made Natsu bawl on the floor simply by powering up. Natsu always looked up and highly respected Gildartz's power, it's pretty obvious that Gildartz is the guild's strongest wizard.

Not to mention, Gildartz was famous across Magnolia and the entire continent for his strength. In Fairy Tail Ice Trail, he even surprised Ur (who is Wizard Saint tier) when he easily defeated a creature.



Acnologia having Christina tier speed cannot be a good feat, regardless of which way we try to interpret it. Igneel could tear off Acnologia's arm while being half dead.

Using common sense, a full power Igneel is on a separate tier compared to Acnologia.



Atlas Flame saved all those "fodders" you are talking about. If he didn't destroy the Eclipse Gate, everybody in Crocus would have died by the dragons that day.

Jellal blocked Acnologia's attack easily, that cannot be top-tier dragon worthy.

Acnologia was serious when he chased after Christina. He wanted total destruction, he just couldn't get it because he was too slow.



I don't know why you keep bringing up the "he couldn't kill fodders" card.

One last time, I do not expect Acnologia to kill fodders.

Mard Geer did not kill any fodders, but he didn't keep repeating dumb mistakes every few minutes. He made smart choices and put up a good fight before dying.

Plot only makes Acnologia lose the final fight. Not excuse him for his ridiculous and absurd mistakes.

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Des gray was only able to put up fight against base mard geer not the etherious one. His etherious form still owned both natsu and des gray at the same time. It was the DF attacks which gave opening for gray to use his secret des attack.

That's why Mard Geer is a way better villain than Acnologia. He didn't make any absurd decisions and still put up a good fight against DF Natsu and DeS Gray.


Gray was responsible for the defeat of Etherious Mard Geer. His attacks led to Mard Geer's downfall. Not to mention, he tanked Etherious form's Memento Mori, which has the power to erase almost any mage.

Natsu provided a distraction, but his DF + DS Secret Art Spell had little effect on Mard Geer, just like Sting & Rogue.

And if Jiemma did not step into the fight, Gray would have had a chance to kill Mard Geer before he could turn into his Etherious form.