Discussion Earth Land Mages Rate - THE ULTIMATE POWER RANKING [BIG FINALE + STATISTICS]

[BluePegasus]

STATISTICS

Spoiler: Alakitasia ranking

1). Irene Belserion - 12,200
6). Larcade Dragneel - 10,683
7). DiMaria Yesta - 10,667
9). God Serena - 10,017
11). Brandish μ - 9,533
12). Bloodman - 9,300
15). Invel Yura - 9,117
16). Wall Eehto - 9,017
18). Ajeel Ramal - 8,383
19). Jacob Lessio - 8,183
24). Neinhart - 7,450
Average: 9,504545

Spoiler: Ishgar ranking

2). Natsu Dragneel - 11,750
3). Gildarts Clive - 11,583
4). Laxus Dreyar - 11,167
5). Jellal Fernandes - 11,100
8). Erza Scarlet - 10,083
10). Gray Fullbuster - 9,950
13). Gajeel Redfox - 9,267
14). Sting Eucliffe - 9,233
17). TO Sherria Blendy - 8,850
20). Mard Geer - 8,167
21). Mirajane Strauss - 7,983
22). Precht Gaebolg - 7,917
23). Lucy Heartfilia - 7,733
25). Future Rogue Cheney - 7,383
26). Kagura Mikazuchi - 7,333
27). Wendy Marvell - 7,033
28). Silver Fullbuster - 6,750
29). Minerva Orland - 6,683
30). Kyoka - 6,550
31). Ultear Milkovich - 6,283
32). Rogue Cheney - 6,233
33). Erik “Cobra” - 5,983
34). Macbeth “Midnight” - 5,950
35). Arlock - 5,850
36). Lyon Vastia - 5,067
37). Cana Alberona - 4,867
38). Elfman Strauss - 4,483
Average: 7,82337

The winning continent is..

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Alakitasia

Spoiler: Guild ranking

Spriggan Twelve
1). Irene Belserion - 12,200
6). Larcade Dragneel - 10,683
7). DiMaria Yesta - 10,667
9). God Serena - 10,017
11). Brandish μ - 9,533
12). Bloodman - 9,300
15). Invel Yura - 9,117
16). Wall Eehto - 9,017
18). Ajeel Ramal - 8,383
19). Jacob Lessio - 8,183
24). Neinhart - 7,450
Average: 9,504545

Fairy Tail
2). Natsu Dragneel - 11,750
3). Gildarts Clive - 11,583
4). Laxus Dreyar - 11,167
8). Erza Scarlet - 10,083
10). Gray Fullbuster - 9,950
13). Gajeel Redfox - 9,267
21). Mirajane Strauss - 7,983
23). Lucy Heartfilia - 7,733
27). Wendy Marvell - 7,033
37). Cana Alberona - 4,867
38). Elfman Strauss - 4.483
Average: 8,718091

Sabertooth
14). Sting Eucliffe - 9,233
25). Future Rogue Cheney - 7,383
29). Minerva Orland - 6,683
32). Rogue Cheney - 6,233
Average: 7,383

Crime Sorciere
5). Jellal Fernandes - 11,100
31). Ultear Milkovich - 6,283
33). Erik “Cobra" - 5,983
34). Macbeth “Midnight” - 5,950
Average: 7,329

Lamia Scale
17). Sherria Blendy - 8,850
36) Lyon Vastia - 5,067
Average: 6,9585

Mermaid Heel
26). Kagura Mikazuchi - 7,333
Average: 7,333

Tartaros
20). Mard Geer - 8,167
28). Silver Fullbuster - 6,750
30). Kyoka - 6,550
Average: 7,155667

Grimoire Heart
22). Precht Gaebolg - 7,917
Average: 7,917

Avatar
35). Arlock - 5,850
Average: 5,850

(Balam Alliance
20). Mard Geer - 8,167
22). Precht Gaebolg - 7,917
28). Silver Fullbuster - 6,750
30). Kyoka - 6,550
Average: 7,346)

Most 13's
1). Natsu x 11
2). Irene x 10
3). Gildarts x 4
4). Larcade x 2
5). Laxus x 1, DiMaria x 1, Lucy x 1

 

[Gryffindor]

Well that was one heck of a ride, wasn't it? Here is the full list with links to the elimination posts in case anyone ever feels like checking them out again.

[post=4599653] 1) Irene Belserion-12.200[/post]
[post=4599652] 2) Natsu Dragneel-11.750[/post]
[post=4599651] 3) Gildarts Clive-11.583[/post]
[post=4598583] 4) Laxus Dreyar-11.167[/post]
[post=4597382] 5) Jellal Fernandes-11.100[/post]
[post=4597225] 6) Larcade Dragneel-10.683[/post]
[post=4596413] 7) DiMaria Yesta-10.667[/post]
[post=4595925] 8) Erza Scarlet-10.083[/post]
[post=4595453] 9) God Serena-10.017[/post]
[post=4595191] 10) Gray Fullbuster-9.950[/post]
[post=4594738] 11) Brandish µ-9.533[/post]
[post=4593900] 12) Bradman-9.300[/post]
[post=4593439] 13) Gajeel Redfox-9.267[/post]
[post=4593248] 14) Sting Eucliffe-9.233[/post]
[post=4592900] 15) Invel Yura-9.117[/post]
[post=4592813] 16) Wall Eehto-9.017[/post]
[post=4592320] 17) Sherria Blendy-8.850[/post]
[post=4591927] 18) Ajeel Ramal-8.383[/post]
[post=4591726] 19) Jacob Lessio-8.183[/post]
[post=4591475] 20) Mard Geer-8.167[/post]
[post=4591231] 21) Mirajane Strauss-7.983[/post]
[post=4591204] 22) Precht Gaebolg-7.917[/post]
[post=4591058] 23) Lucy Heartfilia-7.733[/post]
[post=4590919] 24) Neinhart-7.450[/post]
[post=4590697] 25) Future Rogue Cheney-7.383[/post]
[post=4590248] 26) Kagura Mikazuchi-7.333[/post]
[post=4590163] 27) Wendy Marvell-7.033[/post]
[post=4589984] 28) Silver Fullbuster-6.750[/post]
[post=4589777] 29) Minerva Orland-6.683[/post]
[post=4589556] 30) Kyoka-6.550[/post]
[post=4589279] 31) Ultear Milkovich-6.283[/post]
[post=4589053] 32) Rogue Cheney-6.233[/post]
[post=4589013] 33) Erik "Cobra"-5.983[/post]
[post=4588937] 34) Macbeth "Midnight"-5.950[/post]
[post=4588113] 35) Arlock-5.850[/post]
[post=4587925] 36) Lyon Vastia-5.067[/post]
[post=4587728] 37) Cana Alberona-4.867[/post]
[post=4587607] 38) Elfman Strauss-4.483[/post]​

 

[Ebony Maw]

Before I end this rate officially, I just want to thank everyone who took part in it.

Thank you to everyone who voted, and even to those who didn't, the discussion in this thread has been incredibly interesting and outright entertaining.

Big thanks to my fellow hosts @BluePegasus, @Emperor Spriggan and @Gryffindor, you guys really upped your game in this rating and it wouldn't have been possible without you. The same goes to @Brandish @DiMaria Yesta @Crescent_jinxgrace @Takuan @~Charging Lightning~ and @Belserion, you all did fantastic posts!

And in general I want to thank the mods for making this run so smoothly, I know for a fact that this thread easily could have turned to chaos without their intervention. In particular I want to thank @Brandish for sticky-ing the thread, this thread wouldn't have been anywhere near as active if it wasn't for you.

I hope everyone enjoyed that the rate, as now....

This poster was made by @Valhalla777, big thanks to him!

THE EARTH LAND MAGES RATE IS OFFICIALLY OVER!​

 

[Tirl]

Stop. Cherria beat shit. If it was a one on one fight Dimaria wins. Also what can Gildarts do if Dimaria stops time??

If you don't know, her TS doesn't work on those who stronger than her. So August, Irene and Gildarts can just blow her mind in her TS...

 

[Ebony Maw]

@MLG Bradman Instead of mentionng Go Away Yuri Dreyar how about writing God Bye Bye. That would be more inclined to his character.

I was actually going to have the title be something different, but I wasn't the one who changed it.

That said, I fully support the title, Yuri needs to stay in the ground, there's already too many characters getting pointlessly revived.

 

[Tirl]

Larcade doesn't deserve to be this high.

What baffles me is the fact that Larcade is still in the game when Sting got out at #14... These two should be on the same level considering Sting actually won that fight. And while it's true he had elemental advantage, it didn't add to his power offensively (which is what slayer advantage does). Instead, it just allowed Sting to defend himself from Larcade's attack. Also, I acknowledge that Sting used Rogue's MP at the time, which is why I put him slightly lower than Larcade. But for the difference to be 6+ is just mind blowing...

Conclusion: Larcade is overrated.

Lacarde blocked Kagura's sword (which stronger than Sting's attacks), and Sting was rekted by "cross"...

 

[Will.bb]

If you don't know, her TS doesn't work on those who stronger than her. So August, Irene and Gildarts can just blow her mind in her TS...

Didn't know that. Was it mentioned? Well it's logical

 

[Tirl]

Didn't know that. Was it mentioned? Well it's logical

Well yes. Some (many of) hax magic doesn't work on stronger opponent. Brandish can't use her magic on enchanted Nienheart and ENatsu like Dimaria.
So like that, resist can't resist too strong attack. Natsu wasn't able to negate all damage from August fire based attack.

If Dimaria can use TS on her wish, spriggans should kill Acnologia easily ^_^

 

[XXEliteXXAceXX]

Lacarde block Kagura's sword (which stronger than Sting's attacks), and Sting was rekted by "cross"...

While I think Kagura's attacks are strong, Sting's top spells are clearly stronger. Defensively, Larcade is pretty good. But power-wise? He has no business being in the top 10. To think the likes of Gray and God Serena losing to him is unimaginable in my eyes. Anyways, the people have spoken and like I said, I'll always be the odd one.

By the way, Sting got up right after being hit by the cross so I guess it can't really be used against him.

 

[Tirl]

While I think Kagura's attacks are strong, Sting's top spells are clearly stronger. Defensively, Larcade is pretty good. But power-wise? He has no business being in the top 10. To think the likes of Gray and God Serena losing to him is unimaginable in my eyes. Anyways, the people have spoken and like I said, I'll always be the odd one.

By the way, Sting got up right after being hit by the cross so I guess it can't really be used against him.

Maybe dual silk is stronger than her sword but not in that moment. Sting had too low MP in the end of battle. He beat Lacarde, yes, but it doesn't make him stronger. I told this early, Sting had too many advantages in fight.

EDIT.

Sting had huge power up from Lacarde's magic attack, but in the end he still was in bad state. His dual silk was weaker than the same from F.Rogue.

I rank mages by their MP and battle ability. Lacarde has much bigger MP than Sting. He shouldn't have high attack, he has hax magic which works even on Zeref and Irene. So Lacarde is definitely stronger than Sting.
If you took main ability from fighter (his hax) so it will be not a fair battle. Most of spriggans without their main ability are nothing even with high MP. But high MP is high MP

 

[Zelefomavis]

Sting lower than Larcade doesn't shock me. He was the perfect counter to a lot of Larcade's spell, and if he wasn't empowered by it (which we don't know, maybe he was) being able to not be affected by an ennemy attack is quite good.

Also I counted that WSD sting did not have access to Rogue MP, and that Kagura was not here to help him use shadows

 

[Cat Sidhe26]

Oh, my, God. When i read the title i though Laxus (Dreyar) had been eliminated... Just imagine my horror

Butit's fine, it's only God Serena i mean i love the dude, but he had to go at some point.

When I read the title even I thought Laxus was eliminated and I thought there was going to bea shitstorm. But it was only God Serena so no shitstorm, yet.

 

[Woodenstool]

@MLG Bradman one of the strong characters no doubt.

Even his heavily nerfed Historia version was able to injure Gildarts.This borns out his strength.

Gildarts one shotted him no difficulty.

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Stop acting as though there was only CIS or PIS with Jacob during the Lucy/Natsu vs Jacob fight. Lucy and Natsu weren't even remotely going all out. There was so much PIS and CIS when it came to Lucy and Natsu during that fight it wasn't even funny.

1. Horologium during the Edolas Arc was able to save Lucy from Anima which was a Large City Scale attack. Versus Jacob only Guild level attack. This was like 3 powerups ago.

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So basically why couldn't lucy just go into a Horologium Stardress and become immune to Jacobs Transport power. Stardress simply uses the power of the Celestial Spirits(No not just Zodiacs but Celestial Spirits).

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2. Natsu could have simply used his body heat to destroy Jacob. The same Body heat that:

Melted the GMG Arena:

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Melted his Dagger:

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Melted Ice Make:Lost

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Considering Jacob was Falling to this:

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Why didn't Natsu go all out in the beginning? Because he didn't want to destroy the Guild. LOL

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3. Why didn't Lucy:

Use Cancer form to Slice him like she did Brandish:

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Use Taurus Form to Physically overpower Jacob. She had it on in the beginning when she kicked him several feet away.

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Use Scorpio Form to battle him Mid air.

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Why didn't she use Aquarius form.

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What about Sagittarius form which has high attack power.

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Hell even Aries would have been more effective in the battle.

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Not saying Lucy would low or mid diff Jacob but she had to crap ton of opportunities she didn't use that would have been 10x more effective against Jacob than Leo Stardress. Hell she even sent Leo back mid battle because he was being a pervert. That just goes to show how much of a sham the battle was.

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Neither side was trying their best. There is all evidence to support this. Lucy vs Brandish versus Lucy vs Jacob will show you the Quality of how much Lucy was holding back. Any other battle of Natsu will show just how much Natsu held back against Jacob.


Also Natsu Already Countered Invel Ice and Grays Ice without E.N.D Power. When seen it when he easily disposed of Grays "Ace" Ice Shell:Lost which was his most powerful spell and we seen it when he broke out of Invel Ice along with Lucy and Juvia.

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In What universe does Mirajane scale Higher than Lucy?

CSK already destroyed Plutogrim with ease. Plutogrim is Mirajane strongest Takeover:

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Even in Magical power Lucy accomplished the same thing as Mirajane. Lucy however did it a year earlier.

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Also the only reason Mirajane beat Jacob was because he wasn't even remotely going all out.

1. He didn't use Transport
2. He closed his eyes the entire fight.

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Had he did that in his battle Against Lucy and Natsu he would have been thrashed with ease.

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The battles in this Arc is riddled with PIS and CIS.

Gray vs Invel: Why didn't Gray simply eat Invels Ice? As a DeS he has that ability.

Erza vs Nienheart: Why didn't she use Nakagami to simply slice through his Historia? Would have been able to end the battle in like 2 seconds.

Erza vs Ajeel: Why didn't Erza use her Lighting, Flame, Nakagami armors in the beginning? Each have high attack power and counter sand. Would have gave Erza an Easier time in battle.

Wendy/Ultear/Chelia vs Dimaria: Why didn't Wendy simply enchant Chelia and Ultear.

You seriously have an issue intrepting the story.

For one, when Lucy made water vanish during Tartarus, that was due her breaking her key. Not from the magic power she posses. Mjirajanes magic power did that, and her breaking the key, took away all of the water magic casted by the spirit. I hope to God you didn't think it wasn't the same thing....

The kick Lucy landed was when Jacob was off guard. He didn't expect anyone to be alive after casting Transport. You know this so I don't know why you brought it up. You aren't tricking anyone my dude.

We don't know how long the fight lasted between Gray and Intel but Natsu was trapped longer than a minute. He extra casually froze Natsu even after he attempted to heat up the place. This wasn't even his stronger form ice, had he used divine ice, Natsu wouldn't escape in time to survive. Invel would freeze Natsu and end him whilst frozen.

Lucy can enter your fan fic star dress, it was never shown and feats over statements. That star dress would give Lucy no combat help and she would get a shin bone bounced off her head and die. Actually, the tomahawk would kill her because she couldn't even react to those speeds.

Haha, you're implying the CSK is strong? He got DESTROYED by Mard Geer in base. All those situations you have to Lucy would never happen because Jacob would end her before hand. And Jacob could just transport again since that the box spirit can't constantly save you.

Lucy gets blitz stomped by Jacob. She can't even react to throwing knives.

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If you don't know, her TS doesn't work on those who stronger than her. So August, Irene and Gildarts can just blow her mind in her TS...

Prove it. Show me the evidence of this being true. Brandish magic worked on August' wound. Thus proving their magic can affect him. Dimaria stops time even for Acnologia, and it's stated only END could counter it. Why you may ask? Probably because Zeref made a perfect being capable of ending him. That's just using lore but Dimaria should be number one. She can stop time and Irene wouldn't even be able to go in dragon form.

 

[Nemispelled]

I'm in slight agreement with @XXEliteXXAceXX.

Larcade's character was entirely built on irrelevant words and self-proclaimed hype. This dude has nothing but flaws. In the end, his actual feats were worse than an average Spriggan.

Basically, Mashima led the readers on to believe that Larcade was some sort of "secret weapon" (being son of Zeref & Mavis), and then eventually retracted all of Larcade's self-hype.

As far as I'm concerned, there's absolutely no reason for me to believe that he is 3rd ranked in the Spriggan 12, let alone one of the Top 10 mages of Earthland.

In my opinion, Larcade's hype has long been refuted by the author himself.

It would be much better if Gray and Larcade switched places in this rate.

 

[Cosmicstar]

You seriously have an issue intrepting the story.

For one, when Lucy made water vanish during Tartarus, that was due her breaking her key. Not from the magic power she posses. Mjirajanes magic power did that, and her breaking the key, took away all of the water magic casted by the spirit. I hope to God you didn't think it wasn't the same thing....

The kick Lucy landed was when Jacob was off guard. He didn't expect anyone to be alive after casting Transport. You know this so I don't know why you brought it up. You aren't tricking anyone my dude.

We don't know how long the fight lasted between Gray and Intel but Natsu was trapped longer than a minute. He extra casually froze Natsu even after he attempted to heat up the place. This wasn't even his stronger form ice, had he used divine ice, Natsu wouldn't escape in time to survive. Invel would freeze Natsu and end him whilst frozen.

Lucy can enter your fan fic star dress, it was never shown and feats over statements. That star dress would give Lucy no combat help and she would get a shin bone bounced off her head and die. Actually, the tomahawk would kill her because she couldn't even react to those speeds.

Haha, you're implying the CSK is strong? He got DESTROYED by Mard Geer in base. All those situations you have to Lucy would never happen because Jacob would end her before hand. And Jacob could just transport again since that the box spirit can't constantly save you.

Lucy gets blitz stomped by Jacob. She can't even react to throwing knives.
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1. The water didn't come from Aquarius it came from Plutogrim.

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The water never came from Aquarius. Lucy magical power from summoning the CSK made the water disappear.

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2. Jacob landed hits on Lucy because of his stealth which caught her off Guard doesn't change anything though. Jacobs Kicks and Punches even with Lucy off Guard never sent her flying feet away.

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Lucy on the other hand sent Jacob flying with a Kick.

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Jacob Kick

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3. Invel himself admires Natsu power.

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4. Horologium Stardress might not give her any combat power but it will negate Jacobs Transport as shown. Also Lucy has the ability to summon 3 Spirits at once. So it wouldn't matter. Also it was stated Stardress uses the power of her Celestial keys. Why would we assume her Silver keys don't work? Also before you say Oh well we didn't see it. We also didn't see Dimaria use TIme Stop on Levy but we can assume it works on her.

5. When did the CSK get destroyed by Marde Geer? Also what does this have to do with the CSK being stronger than Plutogrim?

Galaxia Blade>Algeria

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Regular Blade>Thorn Curse

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Sword>Aura

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Blade>Plutogrim

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So When did Marde Geer best the CSK? How was he destroyed? The CSK bested everyone of Marde Geer attacks.

The battle ended because Lucy ran out of Magical power and the CSK had to go back to the Spirit world.

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Had Lucy not ran out of Magical power Marde Geer would have been destroyed after Galaxia Blade. He was turned to Stone and couldn't move. One swing of the Kings sword and he would have been out.

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Rather you think my claims are fanfiction or not I support all my claims with concrete evidence. I don't say something without any support. The Spoilers are Images from the Manga if you didn't know.

So no I am not just talking out the side of my neck.

 

[Jko]

If natsu can use end powers then yes. But Irene can't win against Dimaria if she stops time immediately

Irene is a Dragon doubt anything Dim do can hurt her and she was stated to be above DiMaria so she must've a counter.

Gildarts was stated above any mid tier spriggan. Dimaria is not a match for him. Even Sherria was able to beat her. And ENatsu lvl MP is enough to counter her TS.

PS. Natsu in tournament can't beat Dimaria. He hasn't any needed power for that.

Sherria beat her after being amped by Wendy, and Ultear counter the affects of Age Seal. Sherria was also had an advantage towards Gods. Gild has no way of stopping Age Seal. And Gild was never stated to be above normal S12 (which Dim is not.

I dont think truly natsu has able to surpass gildarts. He may have high attack power but gildarts is a fraking tank.

Don't see Gild beating out DF Natsu. DF Natsu looked to have higher attack power than even IgNatsu.

 

[Ebony Maw]

Gildarts one shotted him no difficulty.

He one-shotted a Historia.

I think Gildarts would win but he wouldn't casually one-shot a full-powered God Serena.

Of course, it's hard to prove this due to God Serena being featless. That said, if HistSerena didn't get instantly one-shotted, the actual God Serena is going to do far better.

 

[Woodenstool]

He one-shotted a Historia.

I think Gildarts would win but he wouldn't casually one-shot a full-powered God Serena.

Of course, it's hard to prove this due to God Serena being featless. That said, if HistSerena didn't get instantly one-shotted, the actual God Serena is going to do far better.

Serious God Serena fought the GOI, his earth slaying magic pales in comparison to Gildarts who a casually destroyed a mountain.
Sorry bud

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1. The water didn't come from Aquarius it came from Plutogrim.

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The water never came from Aquarius. Lucy magical power from summoning the CSK made the water disappear.

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2. Jacob landed hits on Lucy because of his stealth which caught her off Guard doesn't change anything though. Jacobs Kicks and Punches even with Lucy off Guard never sent her flying feet away.

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Lucy on the other hand sent Jacob flying with a Kick.

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Jacob Kick

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3. Invel himself admires Natsu power.

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4. Horologium Stardress might not give her any combat power but it will negate Jacobs Transport as shown. Also Lucy has the ability to summon 3 Spirits at once. So it wouldn't matter. Also it was stated Stardress uses the power of her Celestial keys. Why would we assume her Silver keys don't work? Also before you say Oh well we didn't see it. We also didn't see Dimaria use TIme Stop on Levy but we can assume it works on her.

5. When did the CSK get destroyed by Marde Geer? Also what does this have to do with the CSK being stronger than Plutogrim?

Galaxia Blade>Algeria

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Regular Blade>Thorn Curse

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Sword>Aura

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Blade>Plutogrim

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So When did Marde Geer best the CSK? How was he destroyed? The CSK bested everyone of Marde Geer attacks.

The battle ended because Lucy ran out of Magical power and the CSK had to go back to the Spirit world.

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Had Lucy not ran out of Magical power Marde Geer would have been destroyed after Galaxia Blade. He was turned to Stone and couldn't move. One swing of the Kings sword and he would have been out.

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Rather you think my claims are fanfiction or not I support all my claims with concrete evidence. I don't say something without any support. The Spoilers are Images from the Manga if you didn't know.

So no I am not just talking out the side of my neck.

I don't know to how to add panels to show you but do it yourself.

Go read the chapter or watch the episode again. Right after Lucy broke let key, the water vanished. There's no evidence that Lucy's magic power made the water vanish, using common sense the spirit uses water magic and after she died her magic went along with it. You're also comparing a feat before the timeskip, Mirajane is stronger than Mard Geer.

Invel admiring Natsu sounds gay first of all. And it doesn't even matter, Invel froze him in an instant without divine ice. Natsu doesn't stand a chance against Invel.

Mard Geer totally trashed the CSK. Natsu scales higher than the CSK, he dodge his torns curse while the CSK didn't. No of his attacks touched Mard Geer but the last one which was a AOE attack that just stoned him.

Erza also blew through the putogrim or whatever it's called when she launched Kyouka out. Obviously not all the way but you should.. get the point. Hopefully.

Lucy and Natsu were simultaneously getting dismantled by Jacob. The fight would've ended if Natsu didn't save her. Stop ignoring this, why didn't her stupid clock save her?

I don't see the csk missing all of his attacks means he "bested" him.

Mirajane evaporated the ocean which contained more water than the spirit did. She would blitz stomp Lucy before breaking one of her keys, you think shes going to stand there and just let Lucy break her keys and let the csk come? The csk is slow af, Natsu is faster than him.

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Just watched the episode again, it was water from Aquarius. Get debunked bud.

 

[Reebi]

If natsu can use end powers then yes. But Irene can't win against Dimaria if she stops time immediately

We don't know if Irene can counter Dimaria or that she couldn't; therefore we cannot presume she would lose. If Irene was labeled the strongest Spriggan female by Brandish, that implies she would win a fight against Dimaria, otherwise Dimaria would earn that title.

 

[Woodenstool]

We don't know if Irene can counter Dimaria or that she couldn't; therefore we cannot presume she would lose. If Irene was labeled the strongest Spriggan female by Brandish, that implies she would win a fight against Dimaria, otherwise Dimaria would earn that title.

Sorry bud feats over statements.

 

[Arjuna]

Gildarts one shotted him no difficulty.

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You seriously have an issue intrepting the story.

For one, when Lucy made water vanish during Tartarus, that was due her breaking her key. Not from the magic power she posses. Mjirajanes magic power did that, and her breaking the key, took away all of the water magic casted by the spirit. I hope to God you didn't think it wasn't the same thing....

The kick Lucy landed was when Jacob was off guard. He didn't expect anyone to be alive after casting Transport. You know this so I don't know why you brought it up. You aren't tricking anyone my dude.

We don't know how long the fight lasted between Gray and Intel but Natsu was trapped longer than a minute. He extra casually froze Natsu even after he attempted to heat up the place. This wasn't even his stronger form ice, had he used divine ice, Natsu wouldn't escape in time to survive. Invel would freeze Natsu and end him whilst frozen.

Lucy can enter your fan fic star dress, it was never shown and feats over statements. That star dress would give Lucy no combat help and she would get a shin bone bounced off her head and die. Actually, the tomahawk would kill her because she couldn't even react to those speeds.

Haha, you're implying the CSK is strong? He got DESTROYED by Mard Geer in base. All those situations you have to Lucy would never happen because Jacob would end her before hand. And Jacob could just transport again since that the box spirit can't constantly save you.

Lucy gets blitz stomped by Jacob. She can't even react to throwing knives.

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Prove it. Show me the evidence of this being true. Brandish magic worked on August' wound. Thus proving their magic can affect him. Dimaria stops time even for Acnologia, and it's stated only END could counter it. Why you may ask? Probably because Zeref made a perfect being capable of ending him. That's just using lore but Dimaria should be number one. She can stop time and Irene wouldn't even be able to go in dragon form.

Did i say Gildarts can't defeat Historia Serena?

As far as i recall i didn't say anything like that.

 

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I was certainly a proponent of God Serena = Yuri. God Serena was tied with Brandish upon introduction for me. He's got the best lines of all the S12.

I'd definitely pick Gray over God Serena in power, but Serena being above the other S12 members is fine imho. It's not a bad spot for him.

lol God Serena curb stomps Gray,Invel killed Gray period until plot kicked in and Juvia learned Blood Transfusion magic this was Bullshit...not to mention Gray received power-up after revival... Invel---->Gray

list off character who should be dead
1.Gajeel
2.Laxus(Heroic Death)
3.Makrov Fairy Law was badass way to go
4.Gray died against Invel(iced shell against Zeref)

bringing back characters with asspulls only has negative effect

 

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lol God Serena curb stomps Gray,Invel killed Gray period until plot kicked in and Juvia learned Blood Transfusion magic this was Bullshit...not to mention Gray received power-up after revival... Invel---->Gray

list off character who should be dead
1.Gajeel
2.Laxus(Heroic Death)
3.Makrov Fairy Law was badass way to go
4.Gray died against Invel(iced shell against Zeref)

bringing back characters with asspulls only has negative effect

Technically speaking, Gray at least tied with Invel in their fight.

Invel never had the upper-hand, and Gray was holding his own just fine. They traded blows equally and Invel even mentioned to Gray that he had potential to defeat END, which is why he even tried to recruit Gray in the first place.

It wasn't until Brandish interfered into the fight and distracted Gray that the whole "asspull" plot started. Invel took a cheap shot and seized the opportunity to catch Gray with Ice Lock when he had his back turned.

And Juvia being there just made it worse for Gray.

Because she was so clingy, Invel decided to Ice Lock both of them - that way, one of them would have to die in order for the other to live.

Gray's "darkness mode" or whatever you want to call it is still his own power. That's just his full power when he is serious. And at the end of the day, Gray easily wrecked Invel while only in base form.