Discussion Earth Land Mages Rate - THE ULTIMATE POWER RANKING [BIG FINALE + STATISTICS]

[BluePegasus]

STATISTICS

Spoiler: Alakitasia ranking

1). Irene Belserion - 12,200
6). Larcade Dragneel - 10,683
7). DiMaria Yesta - 10,667
9). God Serena - 10,017
11). Brandish μ - 9,533
12). Bloodman - 9,300
15). Invel Yura - 9,117
16). Wall Eehto - 9,017
18). Ajeel Ramal - 8,383
19). Jacob Lessio - 8,183
24). Neinhart - 7,450
Average: 9,504545

Spoiler: Ishgar ranking

2). Natsu Dragneel - 11,750
3). Gildarts Clive - 11,583
4). Laxus Dreyar - 11,167
5). Jellal Fernandes - 11,100
8). Erza Scarlet - 10,083
10). Gray Fullbuster - 9,950
13). Gajeel Redfox - 9,267
14). Sting Eucliffe - 9,233
17). TO Sherria Blendy - 8,850
20). Mard Geer - 8,167
21). Mirajane Strauss - 7,983
22). Precht Gaebolg - 7,917
23). Lucy Heartfilia - 7,733
25). Future Rogue Cheney - 7,383
26). Kagura Mikazuchi - 7,333
27). Wendy Marvell - 7,033
28). Silver Fullbuster - 6,750
29). Minerva Orland - 6,683
30). Kyoka - 6,550
31). Ultear Milkovich - 6,283
32). Rogue Cheney - 6,233
33). Erik “Cobra” - 5,983
34). Macbeth “Midnight” - 5,950
35). Arlock - 5,850
36). Lyon Vastia - 5,067
37). Cana Alberona - 4,867
38). Elfman Strauss - 4,483
Average: 7,82337

The winning continent is..

Spoiler

Alakitasia

Spoiler: Guild ranking

Spriggan Twelve
1). Irene Belserion - 12,200
6). Larcade Dragneel - 10,683
7). DiMaria Yesta - 10,667
9). God Serena - 10,017
11). Brandish μ - 9,533
12). Bloodman - 9,300
15). Invel Yura - 9,117
16). Wall Eehto - 9,017
18). Ajeel Ramal - 8,383
19). Jacob Lessio - 8,183
24). Neinhart - 7,450
Average: 9,504545

Fairy Tail
2). Natsu Dragneel - 11,750
3). Gildarts Clive - 11,583
4). Laxus Dreyar - 11,167
8). Erza Scarlet - 10,083
10). Gray Fullbuster - 9,950
13). Gajeel Redfox - 9,267
21). Mirajane Strauss - 7,983
23). Lucy Heartfilia - 7,733
27). Wendy Marvell - 7,033
37). Cana Alberona - 4,867
38). Elfman Strauss - 4.483
Average: 8,718091

Sabertooth
14). Sting Eucliffe - 9,233
25). Future Rogue Cheney - 7,383
29). Minerva Orland - 6,683
32). Rogue Cheney - 6,233
Average: 7,383

Crime Sorciere
5). Jellal Fernandes - 11,100
31). Ultear Milkovich - 6,283
33). Erik “Cobra" - 5,983
34). Macbeth “Midnight” - 5,950
Average: 7,329

Lamia Scale
17). Sherria Blendy - 8,850
36) Lyon Vastia - 5,067
Average: 6,9585

Mermaid Heel
26). Kagura Mikazuchi - 7,333
Average: 7,333

Tartaros
20). Mard Geer - 8,167
28). Silver Fullbuster - 6,750
30). Kyoka - 6,550
Average: 7,155667

Grimoire Heart
22). Precht Gaebolg - 7,917
Average: 7,917

Avatar
35). Arlock - 5,850
Average: 5,850

(Balam Alliance
20). Mard Geer - 8,167
22). Precht Gaebolg - 7,917
28). Silver Fullbuster - 6,750
30). Kyoka - 6,550
Average: 7,346)

Most 13's
1). Natsu x 11
2). Irene x 10
3). Gildarts x 4
4). Larcade x 2
5). Laxus x 1, DiMaria x 1, Lucy x 1

 

[Gryffindor]

Well that was one heck of a ride, wasn't it? Here is the full list with links to the elimination posts in case anyone ever feels like checking them out again.

[post=4599653] 1) Irene Belserion-12.200[/post]
[post=4599652] 2) Natsu Dragneel-11.750[/post]
[post=4599651] 3) Gildarts Clive-11.583[/post]
[post=4598583] 4) Laxus Dreyar-11.167[/post]
[post=4597382] 5) Jellal Fernandes-11.100[/post]
[post=4597225] 6) Larcade Dragneel-10.683[/post]
[post=4596413] 7) DiMaria Yesta-10.667[/post]
[post=4595925] 8) Erza Scarlet-10.083[/post]
[post=4595453] 9) God Serena-10.017[/post]
[post=4595191] 10) Gray Fullbuster-9.950[/post]
[post=4594738] 11) Brandish µ-9.533[/post]
[post=4593900] 12) Bradman-9.300[/post]
[post=4593439] 13) Gajeel Redfox-9.267[/post]
[post=4593248] 14) Sting Eucliffe-9.233[/post]
[post=4592900] 15) Invel Yura-9.117[/post]
[post=4592813] 16) Wall Eehto-9.017[/post]
[post=4592320] 17) Sherria Blendy-8.850[/post]
[post=4591927] 18) Ajeel Ramal-8.383[/post]
[post=4591726] 19) Jacob Lessio-8.183[/post]
[post=4591475] 20) Mard Geer-8.167[/post]
[post=4591231] 21) Mirajane Strauss-7.983[/post]
[post=4591204] 22) Precht Gaebolg-7.917[/post]
[post=4591058] 23) Lucy Heartfilia-7.733[/post]
[post=4590919] 24) Neinhart-7.450[/post]
[post=4590697] 25) Future Rogue Cheney-7.383[/post]
[post=4590248] 26) Kagura Mikazuchi-7.333[/post]
[post=4590163] 27) Wendy Marvell-7.033[/post]
[post=4589984] 28) Silver Fullbuster-6.750[/post]
[post=4589777] 29) Minerva Orland-6.683[/post]
[post=4589556] 30) Kyoka-6.550[/post]
[post=4589279] 31) Ultear Milkovich-6.283[/post]
[post=4589053] 32) Rogue Cheney-6.233[/post]
[post=4589013] 33) Erik "Cobra"-5.983[/post]
[post=4588937] 34) Macbeth "Midnight"-5.950[/post]
[post=4588113] 35) Arlock-5.850[/post]
[post=4587925] 36) Lyon Vastia-5.067[/post]
[post=4587728] 37) Cana Alberona-4.867[/post]
[post=4587607] 38) Elfman Strauss-4.483[/post]​

 

[Ebony Maw]

Before I end this rate officially, I just want to thank everyone who took part in it.

Thank you to everyone who voted, and even to those who didn't, the discussion in this thread has been incredibly interesting and outright entertaining.

Big thanks to my fellow hosts @BluePegasus, @Emperor Spriggan and @Gryffindor, you guys really upped your game in this rating and it wouldn't have been possible without you. The same goes to @Brandish @DiMaria Yesta @Crescent_jinxgrace @Takuan @~Charging Lightning~ and @Belserion, you all did fantastic posts!

And in general I want to thank the mods for making this run so smoothly, I know for a fact that this thread easily could have turned to chaos without their intervention. In particular I want to thank @Brandish for sticky-ing the thread, this thread wouldn't have been anywhere near as active if it wasn't for you.

I hope everyone enjoyed that the rate, as now....

This poster was made by @Valhalla777, big thanks to him!

THE EARTH LAND MAGES RATE IS OFFICIALLY OVER!​

 

[Tirl]

MLG Bradman
Dude, you awesome that post like a GOD's gift

 

[Takuan]

MLG Bradman
Dude, you awesome that post like a GOD's gift

Coming from @MLG Bradman you just gotta get used to it dude

 

[Anti Hero 3:16]

So by your own admission Larcade should be able to walk through Age Seal as he's an Etherious, in fact he's the closest being in existence to E.N.D..

Well dude when it comes to larcade I am totally confused, the guy is an etherious but didn't he used magicinstead of curse. I am practically confused about larcade but yes he should be able to walk through age seal. The guy is still 3rd strongest spriggan.

Just fyi, when I say "immense magic power", I'm not saying they have MP that exceeds that of August/Irene/Zeref/Acno, simply that their MP should exceed that of a regular Spriggans by quite a bit.

Laxus could certainly be be counted as having immense MP, Wahl noted that a half-dead, MBP infested Laxus was still among Fairy Tail's top tier in terms of Magic Power. Keep in mind that this top tier includes people like Natsu and Gray, who are both capable of one-shotting/stomping Spriggans when it's called for. And as for Gildarts, he's always been the Ace of Fairy Tail and has only got stronger, I see no reason why he wouldn't be in the same category as Laxus.

Gildarts and Laxus are physically stronger than DiMaria, there's no questioning that. Chronos may have no sold a punch by DF Wendy, but that's DF Wendy. And base DiMaria got outright knocked back by a regular kick from DF Wendy. Wendy has never been a primary fighter, she's a support mage first and foremost.

On the other hand, a half-dead Laxus was knocking base Wahl back with no-named lightning infused punches and was tanking hits from base Wahl. The very fact that Wahl thought a half-dead Laxus was worth going Assault Mode for should speak volumes. The only reason Assault Wahl even got back on the offensive was because Laxus was having an MBP attack, the second Laxus was healthy and revealed he'd played Wahl, the latter crapped himself. After that Laxus killed him, admittedly with an asspull but it just goes to show that the only thing keeping Wahl in that fight was his lightning immunity and Laxus being half-dead.

As for Gildarts, the guy managed to blitzed August at the start of their fight and cube him. If he can cube August, he can cube DiMaria. Even if you argue against that, Gildarts can crash any laser beams from Chronos. And as for Age Seal, he should have comparable MP to Laxus so he would NLF it.

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I dont think MP's exceeding di maria would enable them in age seal. You need to be in totally different league like irene, august, acnologia and zeref to be able to counter hax with MP alone. Gildarts is ace of FT but he is not even close to that league, as shown from his fight with august. Besides dimaria only needs to click her teeth to activate age seal I think she is faster than gildarts.

 

[Ebony Maw]

Well dude when it comes to larcade I am totally confused, the guy is an etherious but didn't he used magicinstead of curse. I am practically confused about larcade but yes he should be able to walk through age seal. The guy is still 3rd strongest spriggan.

Yeah the entire Curse/Magic thing is somewhat confusing, because Tartaros (and to a lesser extent Bradman) made it sound like Etherious can only use curses. However, that clearly isn't the case and I actually think an Etherious using magic is a sign of strength, in that Zeref spent more time making them. My reasoning for this is that only the top 3 demons have used magic: Bradman used Devil Slaying magic, Larcade used his 3 desires and E.N.D used his black fire. It's that or Larcade and E.N.D use a fusion of magic and curse power, because Mavis did note that Larcade's magic/curse power and presence felt "weird".

I dont think MP's exceeding di maria would enable them in age seal. You need to be in totally different league like irene, august, acnologia and zeref to be able to counter hax with MP alone. Gildarts is ace of FT but he is not even close to that league, as shown from his fight with august. Besides dimaria only needs to click her teeth to activate age seal I think she is faster than gildarts.

Agreed that Gildarts/Laxus/Jellal don't have MP comparable to Irene/August (let alone Zeref or Acno) but I think NLF should apply to Age Seal here. We saw that an Enhanced Spriggan like Neinhart completely NLF'd Brandish's Mass Manipulation, so it's not like the Spriggans' hax haven't shown limits.

But if you disagree then fair enough.

 

[Raven]

END massacred Dimaria, so Chronos is still well below Gray tier.

Well somehow i agree.
After all END's direct roar failed to leave any visible damage on Gray.

Gray has slayer advantage while Dimaria hasn't plus we don't know if END went full power on her or not , Maybe she triggered his full END mode, The fight was off paneled and can't be used to support your claims.

 

[Nemispelled]

Since I saw you guys @Nemispelled @XXEliteXXAceXX said the same thing with Larcade, which do you think is stronger? Larcade or DiMaria?

Almost no doubt in my mind, Dimaria.

She is one of the best Spriggan 12 members for me, and was actually defeated in a reasonable way. Dimaria faced multiple opponents and proved to be a "threat" in every single fight.

Dimaria also has intellect. She was easily able to figure out that Brandish was stalling and actually helping out Lucy & Natsu instead of working for Alvarez.



Larcade, on the other hand, was a total disappointment because he just stood in one spot and expected to win a fight by moving his fingers around. He took more pride in being "Zeref + Mavis son" than actually winning an easy fight.

I was already unimpressed with the fact that he gave himself the "3rd ranked Spriggan title" and lost miserably... let alone his embarrassing feats.

The only thing I got from him was arrogance and foolishness, both of which I dislike.

At the end, he begged Zeref to let him live by being sprawled on the floor instead of actually fighting back...

His words are weak, but his actions are even weaker.

 

[Seven777]

Gray has slayer advantage while Dimaria hasn't plus we don't know if END went full power on her or not , Maybe she triggered his full END mode, The fight was off paneled and can't be used to support your claims.

Doesnt change the fact that he was tanking ENDs attacks like a pro, and matching them with equal power. Cant say how good Gray's durability is compared to ENDs, but his speed and offense are on par, which is enough to murk Dimaria.

There is no full END mode, what we saw fighting Gray was it, that was END in all its glory. Dissappointing? Sure, but after seeing how weak Zeref was i dont have any trouble believing that it could've beaten him.

 

[Raven]

Doesnt change the fact that he was tanking ENDs attacks like a pro, and matching them with equal power. Cant say how good Gray's durability is compared to ENDs, but his speed and offense are on par, which is enough to murk Dimaria.

There is no full END mode, what we saw fighting Gray was it, that was END in all its glory. Dissappointing? Sure, but after seeing how weak Zeref was i dont have any trouble believing that it could've beaten him.

He was bloodlusted and have slayer advantage. Dimaria didn't. There is full END that why he was transforming as long as the fight proceeds, END wasn't in his glory. He was 25% in power at best. Anything else is just your assumption. Natsu is stronger than Gray by a tonne so i don't really care about this but to cut it short Dimaria > Gray and no way Gray can deal with her god form or Age seal. He don't have the means to do that, That's my point.

 

[Arjuna]

Gray has slayer advantage while Dimaria hasn't plus we don't know if END went full power on her or not , Maybe she triggered his full END mode, The fight was off paneled and can't be used to support your claims.

Well Slayer advantage don't depend upon Defence.His attacks will be effective upon a Demon but not defence.

 

[Raven]

Lq

Well Slayer advantage don't depend upon Defence.His attacks will be effective upon a Demon but not defence.

Demon slaying magic is different, He fended off Mard gear strongest spell by demonzing his body. Means he have special resistance against demons.

 

[Arjuna]

Demon slaying magic is different, He fended off Mard gear strongest spell by demonzing his body. Means he have special resistance against demons.

But he only defended against MM.There is no evidence that he can stop any curse.

And even if that is correct it will not affect in a physical fight.Gray and END had lot of physical brawl too.

And we know Dimaria was 2 shotted.Gray survived more than 2 attacks.

 

[Raven]

But he only defended against MM.There is no evidence that he can stop any curse.

Even if that is correct it will not affect in a physical fight.Gray and END had lot of physical brawl too.

And we know Dimaria was 2 shotted.

I agree but he still have resistance against them that's why he could stand against the incomplete END.

It's not a physical fight 100%, Natsu in this fight was using black demon flames and Gray is using Ice demon slaying magic, They were enhancing their physical attacks with Ice and flames. Physical fight means pure physical attacks.

Put Dimaria in Gray's shoes and she will last longer than him.

 

[Seven777]

He was bloodlusted and have slayer advantage. Dimaria didn't. There is full END that why he was transforming as long as the fight proceeds, END wasn't in his glory. He was 25% in power at best. Anything else is just your assumption. Natsu is stronger than Gray by a tonne so i don't really care about this but to cut it short Dimaria > Gray and no way Gray can deal with her god form or Age seal. He don't have the means to do that, That's my point.

END was bloodlusted as well, so its not relevant.
DeS advantage doesnt provide protection and its doesnt change the fact that all of Gray's attacks were equally as powerful as ENDs, as shown here where they clashed equally.

Spoiler

Gray tanked ENDs attacks, he matched their power equally and he was able to keep up ENDs speed, more than enough reason for me to believe he can beat Dimaria.

If there is a full END then where is it? Show me a panel.
Natsu wasnt transforming as the fight went on, he started that fight transformed and that was it, there was no further transformation taking place.
If you are referring to Natsu's claw-like hands, that isnt a transformation, its just Natsu shaping his black fire into claws.

 

[Raven]

END was bloodlusted as well, so its not relevant.
DeS advantage doesnt provide protection and its doesnt change the fact that all of Gray's attacks were equally as powerful as ENDs, as shown here where they clashed equally.

Spoiler

Gray tanked ENDs attacks, he matched their power equally and he was able to keep up ENDs speed, more than enough reason for me to believe he can beat Dimaria.

If there is a full END then where is it? Show me a panel.
Natsu wasnt transforming as the fight went on, he started that fight transformed and that was it, there was no further transformation taking place.
If you are referring to Natsu's claw-like hands, that isnt a transformation, its just Natsu shaping his black fire into claws.

Natsu never shaped his flames to claws, In fact Natsu never molded his flames until chapter 544. Zencrow was molding his flames and it's obvious to see it and distinguish between transformation and molding.

Natsu did started the fight with little claws but it started deveploing as long as the fight continues, The transformation even spread to his half arm, There is no reason to believe that he ain't transforming.

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Look at Erza and Gray's hand compared to END's.

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This is pure transforming not shaping.

That END wasn't bloodlusted. He is naturally bloodlusted to Zeref only and it's obvious. In fact he gave Gray many warnings to move but Gray insisted to fight him. If END was bloodlusted he would have transformed right from the start which ain't the case here. Gray was bloodlusted and started demonzing right from the start.

Gray was able to fend off MM because he demonized, Mard said he demonized to block the spell means his darkness form does have resistance against demons

Gray can't beat Dimaria the same reason Dimaria couldn't beat Natsu.

I didn't see the Zeref part in your first post my bad. Zeref is weak only in your book, Infact he is stronger than August and Irene. He look weak because Mashima rushed Natsu to god level like typing a cheat code when you face the final boss. :P

 

[Seven777]

Natsu never shaped his flames to claws, In fact Natsu never molded his flames until chapter 544. Zencrow was molding his flames and it's obvious to see it and distinguish between transformation and molding.

Natsu did started the fight with little claws but it started deveploing as long as the fight continues, The transformation even spread to his half arm, There is no reason to believe that he ain't transforming.

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Look at Erza and Gray's hand compared to END's.

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This is pure transforming not shaping.

That END wasn't bloodlusted. He is naturally bloodlusted to Zeref only and it's obvious. In fact he gave Gray many warnings to move but Gray insisted to fight him. If END was bloodlusted he would have transformed right from the start which ain't the case here. Gray was bloodlusted and started demonzing right from the start.

Gray was able to fend off MM because he demonized, Mard said he demonized to block the spell means his darkness form does have resistance against demons

Gray can't beat Dimaria the same reason Dimaria couldn't beat Natsu.

I didn't see the Zeref part in your first post my bad. Zeref is weak only in your book, Infact he is stronger than August and Irene. He look weak because Mashima rushed Natsu to god level like typing a cheat code when you face the final boss. :P

You're grasping at straws here dude, Natsu's claws at the start of the fight were already as big as his head.

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There is nothing suggesting the END that we saw wasnt complete, and there definitely isnt anything suggesting ENDs transformation lessened after he beat Dimaria. The "Incomplete END" theory is just something readers made up because they were disappointed by END and thought there'd be more to come. Now that we know there isnt, i am confident in saying that the END we saw, is the only END.

Of course END was bloodlusted, you see how angry he was? You think he couldve actually gotten angrier than this?

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The dude was literally snarling with rage. If END wasnt bloodlusted then neither was Gray.

That was exclusive to MM, and he used DeS to block it, he didnt receive any natural resistances that allow him to tank Demon attacks.The fact that there were no more permanent marks on Gray's body confirms he wasnt using DeS to block any of ENDs attacks.

Even if we assume Gray used DeS to tank ENDs attacks, his offense and speed are still equal to ENDs, he beats Dimaria with the same ease.

 

[Raven]

You're grasping at straws here dude, Natsu's claws at the start of the fight were already as big as his head.

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There is nothing suggesting the END that we saw wasnt complete, and there definitely isnt anything suggesting ENDs transformation lessened after he beat Dimaria. The "Incomplete END" theory is just something readers made up because they were disappointed by END and thought there'd be more to come. Now that we know there isnt, i am confident in saying that the END we saw, is the only END.

Of course END was bloodlusted, you see how angry he was? You think he couldve actually gotten angrier than this?

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The dude was literally snarling with rage. If END wasnt bloodlusted then neither was Gray.

That was exclusive to MM, and he used DeS to block it, he didnt receive any natural resistances that allow him to tank Demon attacks.The fact that there were no more permanent marks on Gray's body confirms he wasnt using DeS to block any of ENDs attacks.

Even if we assume Gray used DeS to tank ENDs attacks, his offense and speed are still equal to ENDs, he beats Dimaria with the same ease.

You're telling me that i'm grasping at straw, tell that to yourself first. I just showed you how he was transforming and you're still in denial, Everything is suggesting that Natsu was demonzing. It ain't a theory it is a fact. Actually you're the one who create fire claws theory because you can't accept that Natsu was getting stronger by the time.

When Gray goes to the darkness mode, It means that he is using his DeS at full potential which gives him more resistance against demons and more offense as well. He was Equal to the incomplete END because of his demon slaying privileges nothing more, If Dimaria is a demon slayer she would perform better than Gray because she is simply stronger.

Being angry =/= Bloodlusted, Gray wasn't blood lusted is in your dreams maybe. Wake up and buy glasses.

 

[Jko]

Cheria didnt even have to regenerate against Dimaria, she wasnt even close to losing. Wendy's barrier simply saved Cheria the need to regenerate. Some basic punches and a single GS spell was all it took to put Dimaria down and TO Cheria was able to easily swat aside Dimaria's most impressive ability by far, even without GS advantage she is on her tier.
Anyway, END massacred Dimaria, so Chronos is still well below Gray tier.

First she didn't use Chronos against END and she was backstabbed by him. Second Natsu held back against Gray while he was bloodlusted against DiMaria. Third Sherria needed to be amped by Wendy to survive that attack. Either Hiro forgot about Sherria's regen or Sherria's regen just couldn't keep up with the hits DiMaria was inflicting on her.

--- Double Post Merged, Aug 30, 2017, Original Post Date: Aug 30, 2017 ---

So by your own admission Larcade should be able to walk through Age Seal as he's an Etherious, in fact he's the closest being in existence to E.N.D.

Just fyi, when I say "immense magic power", I'm not saying they have MP that exceeds that of August/Irene/Zeref/Acno, simply that their MP should exceed that of a regular Spriggans by quite a bit.

Laxus could certainly be be counted as having immense MP, Wahl noted that a half-dead, MBP infested Laxus was still among Fairy Tail's top tier in terms of Magic Power. Keep in mind that this top tier includes people like Natsu and Gray, who are both capable of one-shotting/stomping Spriggans when it's called for. And as for Gildarts, he's always been the Ace of Fairy Tail and has only got stronger, I see no reason why he wouldn't be in the same category as Laxus.

Gildarts and Laxus are physically stronger than DiMaria, there's no questioning that. Chronos may have no sold a punch by DF Wendy, but that's DF Wendy. And base DiMaria got outright knocked back by a regular kick from DF Wendy. Wendy has never been a primary fighter, she's a support mage first and foremost.

On the other hand, a half-dead Laxus was knocking base Wahl back with no-named lightning infused punches and was tanking hits from base Wahl. The very fact that Wahl thought a half-dead Laxus was worth going Assault Mode for should speak volumes. The only reason Assault Wahl even got back on the offensive was because Laxus was having an MBP attack, the second Laxus was healthy and revealed he'd played Wahl, the latter crapped himself. After that Laxus killed him, admittedly with an asspull but it just goes to show that the only thing keeping Wahl in that fight was his lightning immunity and Laxus being half-dead.

As for Gildarts, the guy managed to blitzed August at the start of their fight and cube him. If he can cube August, he can cube DiMaria. Even if you argue against that, Gildarts can crash any laser beams from Chronos. And as for Age Seal, he should have comparable MP to Laxus so he would NLF it.

Jellal got one-shotted by a spell that he voluntarily got hit by. And your ignoring the fact that it sent him through an entire boat and trapped him under an anchor underwater. Also Chronos' lasers were deflected by DF Wendy's shield, considering he blocked an attack from Acno her beam isn't doing shit.

And saying PIS about Acno, while true, doesn't exactly hold up because he was completely riddled with it post-470. Yes, even against Irene, had he been even somewhat smart he would have one-shotted her as Universe One was being cast.

When Age Seal's limit is Spriggan tier, the likes of Laxus should be able to NLF it. Laxus is someone who was about to casually kill a Spriggan at the start of this arc and was knocking base Wahl around whilst half-dead. If he was considered top-tier among FT when half-dead, his MP should be monstrous at full health, especially when you consider how FT's top-tiers are capable of humiliating Spriggans.

Jellal's MP should be far above a Spriggans, when Jellal changed the skyline in Hargeon Neinhart shat himself. Even if you don't count that, knocking Acnologia back is still impressive and would take more MP than a Spriggan considering the only other person to do that was Irene.

And don't bring up Acno being moved by Erza's swords as a counter to this, @Seven777 rightly brought up that swords are physical objects. Jellal and Irene are the only characters to knock Acno back with a spell/blast of magic. Logically, this would at least somewhat imply that his Magic Power is above that of the average Spriggans.

Tentacles work against anyone. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

Jokes aside, Larcade is the nearest thing in existence to E.N.D, he should walk through Age Seal like his successor did.

Or Gildarts cubes her the second the fight starts. Also, as I said above, he should NLF it due to his MP.

Er, Laxus almost casually killed one at the start of the arc. Jellal one-shotted Neinhart once he got serious and later knocked back Acno and blocked an attack that was meant to kill Wendy. Gildarts would have won against August in moments had August not been a copy/nullify mage. Larcade dropped Laxus, Gildarts and more with a smile on his face. Natsu two-shotted an enhanced Spriggan, finished off Jacob in FDKM and one-shotted an immortal. Irene survived an encounter with Acnologia, knocked him back with magic and would have won her fight with Erza and Wendy had the Nakama-Queen not inspired her mother to commit suicide.

All of these feats are better than DiMaria one-shotting Brandish IMO, especially when you consider Brandish was caught off-guard.

Jellal got KOed by the attack. You guys do know getting KOed by anchor is worse than not getting KOed by the damage? BoS Natsu could pick up a big @ss robot and current Jellal is defeated by an anchor? He didn't have time to escape the blast radius with Kagura.

Laxus is not above an S12 in magical power. Nobody was scared of his MP at all. So no NLF to be presented and timestop can't be stopped by sheer power. You need to have a resistance or counter to it. Laxus was not beating up Base Wall while half dead. His illness only kicked up after Wall conveniently missed a nuke that would have severely damaged Laxus. Base Wall matched Laxus for blows.

Jellal's MP was not noted to be big at all, it was just a display of his magic. Juvia can create massive storm clouds doesn't mean her magic is on the S12s level.

Larcade was failure as well and was discarded as such. He doesn't scale to END in anyway. And Natsu's fire is what allows him to walk through Age Seal as he can burn through time itself.

Gild has to pull up his hand while DiMaria only has to think therefore Dim's magic is faster on the trigger.

Erza's swords are still made of magic.

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Her swords are still considered magical attacks. Further proof is that Gajeel's Iron Sword

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did not budge Acno at all so her sword being a physical object means nothing as seen when Gajeel sword didn't not even tickle him. Dragon Acno getting pushed down by Erza's swords is PIS. If he was serious he wouldn't have been pushed back by Erza, Jellal, or Christina.

Laxus side swiped Ajeel and we don't know if that would actually beat him or not. He has not casually defeated an S12. Jellal beat Neinhart after Neinhart had his Historia stripped from him because of Erza's BS. He also needed charge time for a powerful GC which exhausted him while Natsu beat an enhanced one in two shots. Neinhart's physicals just suck. Acno could have blitzed Wendy and pulled a God Serena if he really wanted her dead. A tired af Natsu blocked a blast from this guy two times. The PIS was real in the last twenty chapters or so. Larcade's hax is situational, and he has to use hand gestures for it while DiMaria only has to think which makes her hax faster to the trigger. Like Larcade's hax, Gild's hax is slower than DiMaria's.

Do not see how walking up and talking to Brandish constitutes as an off guard attack. Ajeel was caught off guard when Laxus came out of the left field nuking stuff.

Why are we talking about Irene or Natsu? She is above Dim. The rest of the boys besides Natsu (as he has a counter to Age Seal) are not. I'm pretty sure I said Natsu and Irene are above Dim.

 

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First she didn't use Chronos against END and she was backstabbed by him. Second Natsu held back against Gray while he was bloodlusted against DiMaria. Third Sherria needed to be amped by Wendy to survive that attack. Either Hiro forgot about Sherria's regen or Sherria's regen just couldn't keep up with the hits DiMaria was inflicting on her.

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Jellal got KOed by the attack. You guys do know getting KOed by anchor is worse than not getting KOed by the damage? BoS Natsu could pick up big @ss robot and current Jellal is defeated by an anchor? He didn't have time to escape the blast radius with Kagura.

Laxus is not above an S12 in magic. Nobody was scared of his MP at all. So no NLF to be presented and timestop can't be stopped by sheer power. You need to have a resistance or counter to it. Laxus was not beating up Base Wall while half dead. His illness only kicked up after Wall conveniently missed a nuke that would have severely damaged Laxus. Base Wall matched Laxus for blows.

Jellal's MP was not noted to be big at all it was just a display of his magic. Juvia can create massive storm clouds doesnt mean her magic is on the S12s level.

Larcade was failure as well and was discarded as such. He doesn't scale to END in anyway. And Natsu's fire is what allows him to walk through Age Seal as he can burn through time itself.

Gild has to pull up his hand while DiMaria only has to think therefore Dim's magic is faster on the trigger.

Erza's swords are still made of magic.

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Her swords are still considered magical attacks Further proof is that Gajeel's Iron Sword

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did not budge Acno at all so her sword being a physical object means nothing as seen when Gajeel sword didn't not even tickle him. Dragon Acno getting pushed down by Erza's swords is PIS. If he was serious he wouldn't have been pushes by Erza, Jellal, or Christina.

Laxus side swiped Ajeel and we don't know if that would actually beat him or not. He has not casually defeated an S12. Jellal beat Neinhart after Neinhart had his Historia stripped from him because of Erza's BS. He also needed charge time for a powerful GS which exhausted him while Natsu beat an enhanced one in two shots. Neinhart's physicals just suck. Acno could have blitzed Wendy and pulled a God Serena if he really wanted her dead. A tired af Natsu blocked a blast from this guy two times. The PIS was real in the last twenty chapters or so. Larcade's hax is situational, and he has to use hand gestures for it while DiMaria only has to think which makes her hax faster to the trigger. Like Larcade's hax, Gild's hax is slower than DiMaria's.

Do not see how walking up and talking to Brandish constitutes as an off guard attack. Ajeel was caught off guard when Laxus came out of the left field nuking stuff.

Why are we talking about Irene or Natsu? She is above Dim. The rest of the boys besides Natsu (as he has a counter to Age Seal) are not. I'm pretty sure I said Natsu and Irene are above Dim.

the thing is, swords are physical objects, but even so they won't work against acnologia, admitted by erza herself:

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"No... swords won't work either" lol.

but considering she can fight without her 5 senses and win against the strongest DG and slash a big meteor with her broken bones, and make the historias disappear with haki, then she obviously somehow can make the impossible possible.

I disagree about jellal's MP, it was implied a lot of time that he has a large amount of magical power. being a WS at the beggining of serie with a thought projection, wasting a lot of magic on destroying nirvana and still has enough MP to turn natsu to DF via golden flames. trying to use abyss break after already using a lot of spells against natsu in TOH,

dunno about the whole one-shot, but jellal was without a damage or even a scratch on his back, he comes back fresh after the CPR thing moments after. he shielded kagura and was off-guarded at that situation.

even erza with her almghty durability got ko'ed by wally's fodder bullet and brandish with a cana's punch

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I don't know how can neinhart's attack be more lethal than august's (which he was still conscious from but the seis were not), or getting crushed in acnologia's hand for few seconds.

Laxus had a BIG disavantage against wall, all of his attacks didn't work but wall's did except his spell railgun which was lightining based.

about the PIS thing, acnologia was fighting the DSs without trying to kill them. he obviously held back a lot against them

 

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Well dude when it comes to larcade I am totally confused, the guy is an etherious but didn't he used magicinstead of curse. I am practically confused about larcade but yes he should be able to walk through age seal. The guy is still 3rd strongest spriggan.


I dont think MP's exceeding di maria would enable them in age seal. You need to be in totally different league like irene, august, acnologia and zeref to be able to counter hax with MP alone. Gildarts is ace of FT but he is not even close to that league, as shown from his fight with august. Besides dimaria only needs to click her teeth to activate age seal I think she is faster than gildarts.

what Gildarts doesent have Spriggan tier Magic Power??? Gildarts one-shotted God Serena...

 

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the thing is, swords are physical objects, but even so they won't work against acnologia, admitted by erza herself:

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"No... swords won't work either" lol.

but considering she can fight without her 5 senses and win against the strongest DG and slash a big meteor with her broken bones, and make the historias disappear with haki, then she obviously somehow can make the impossible possible.

I disagree about jellal's MP, it was implied a lot of time that he has a large amount of magical power. being a WS at the beggining of serie with a thought projection, wasting a lot of magic on destroying nirvana and still has enough MP to turn natsu to DF via golden flames. trying to use abyss break after already using a lot of spells against natsu in TOH,

dunno about the whole one-shot, but jellal was without a damage or even a scratch on his back, he comes back fresh after the CPR thing moments after. he shielded kagura and was off-guarded at that situation.

even erza with her almghty durability got ko'ed by wally's fodder bullet and brandish with a cana's punch

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I don't know how can neinhart's attack be more lethal than august's (which he was still conscious from but the seis were not), or getting crushed in acnologia's hand for few seconds.

Laxus had a BIG disavantage against wall, all of his attacks didn't work but wall's did except his spell railgun which was lightining based.

about the PIS thing, acnologia was fighting the DSs without trying to kill them. he obviously held back a lot against them

F-ing hell that ending...lol.

Jellal's MP is high but it isn't the caliber of an S12. Makarov was always praised for his Magical Power but even his paled in comparison to an S12s. Their MP was ridiculously off the chart.

Wally used a sleep bullet tho. He didn't actually KO her in physicals. Brandish was a gay. (EDIT: Meant Brandish was a gag not gay. Stupid autocorrect.) Jellal however was in a serious moment but I do agree that he has average FT mage durability. (EDIT: Cana also took hits from August so I can't really say taking a basic hit from August is a great durability feat. Acno could of pulled an Irene and crushed his bones. He was torturing the poor lad.) I just don't think his durability is as exceptional as Erza's or Laxus'. His physical prowess doesn't really impress.

Laxus was at a disadvantage but Wall was pretty stupid in that fight. I mean a railgun on lightning DS or missing a point blank nuke even though he can make a shot from 400km away? Not to mention the Etherion debacle. Felt like Wall was pretty restricted in the fight as well. Sick Laxus vs PIS Wall. The presentation of the fight didn't really sit well with me.

Acno proved to be more serious against 7DS even if he was not trying to kill them. The guy missed a roar on FT, couldn't catch Erza or Mira, and was pushed around by Erza and a boat. The one that the 7DS fought beat the living crap out of them and didnt miss attacks or get out maneuvered by them.