Discussion Earth Land Mages Rate - THE ULTIMATE POWER RANKING [BIG FINALE + STATISTICS]

[BluePegasus]

STATISTICS

Spoiler: Alakitasia ranking

1). Irene Belserion - 12,200
6). Larcade Dragneel - 10,683
7). DiMaria Yesta - 10,667
9). God Serena - 10,017
11). Brandish μ - 9,533
12). Bloodman - 9,300
15). Invel Yura - 9,117
16). Wall Eehto - 9,017
18). Ajeel Ramal - 8,383
19). Jacob Lessio - 8,183
24). Neinhart - 7,450
Average: 9,504545

Spoiler: Ishgar ranking

2). Natsu Dragneel - 11,750
3). Gildarts Clive - 11,583
4). Laxus Dreyar - 11,167
5). Jellal Fernandes - 11,100
8). Erza Scarlet - 10,083
10). Gray Fullbuster - 9,950
13). Gajeel Redfox - 9,267
14). Sting Eucliffe - 9,233
17). TO Sherria Blendy - 8,850
20). Mard Geer - 8,167
21). Mirajane Strauss - 7,983
22). Precht Gaebolg - 7,917
23). Lucy Heartfilia - 7,733
25). Future Rogue Cheney - 7,383
26). Kagura Mikazuchi - 7,333
27). Wendy Marvell - 7,033
28). Silver Fullbuster - 6,750
29). Minerva Orland - 6,683
30). Kyoka - 6,550
31). Ultear Milkovich - 6,283
32). Rogue Cheney - 6,233
33). Erik “Cobra” - 5,983
34). Macbeth “Midnight” - 5,950
35). Arlock - 5,850
36). Lyon Vastia - 5,067
37). Cana Alberona - 4,867
38). Elfman Strauss - 4,483
Average: 7,82337

The winning continent is..

Spoiler

Alakitasia

Spoiler: Guild ranking

Spriggan Twelve
1). Irene Belserion - 12,200
6). Larcade Dragneel - 10,683
7). DiMaria Yesta - 10,667
9). God Serena - 10,017
11). Brandish μ - 9,533
12). Bloodman - 9,300
15). Invel Yura - 9,117
16). Wall Eehto - 9,017
18). Ajeel Ramal - 8,383
19). Jacob Lessio - 8,183
24). Neinhart - 7,450
Average: 9,504545

Fairy Tail
2). Natsu Dragneel - 11,750
3). Gildarts Clive - 11,583
4). Laxus Dreyar - 11,167
8). Erza Scarlet - 10,083
10). Gray Fullbuster - 9,950
13). Gajeel Redfox - 9,267
21). Mirajane Strauss - 7,983
23). Lucy Heartfilia - 7,733
27). Wendy Marvell - 7,033
37). Cana Alberona - 4,867
38). Elfman Strauss - 4.483
Average: 8,718091

Sabertooth
14). Sting Eucliffe - 9,233
25). Future Rogue Cheney - 7,383
29). Minerva Orland - 6,683
32). Rogue Cheney - 6,233
Average: 7,383

Crime Sorciere
5). Jellal Fernandes - 11,100
31). Ultear Milkovich - 6,283
33). Erik “Cobra" - 5,983
34). Macbeth “Midnight” - 5,950
Average: 7,329

Lamia Scale
17). Sherria Blendy - 8,850
36) Lyon Vastia - 5,067
Average: 6,9585

Mermaid Heel
26). Kagura Mikazuchi - 7,333
Average: 7,333

Tartaros
20). Mard Geer - 8,167
28). Silver Fullbuster - 6,750
30). Kyoka - 6,550
Average: 7,155667

Grimoire Heart
22). Precht Gaebolg - 7,917
Average: 7,917

Avatar
35). Arlock - 5,850
Average: 5,850

(Balam Alliance
20). Mard Geer - 8,167
22). Precht Gaebolg - 7,917
28). Silver Fullbuster - 6,750
30). Kyoka - 6,550
Average: 7,346)

Most 13's
1). Natsu x 11
2). Irene x 10
3). Gildarts x 4
4). Larcade x 2
5). Laxus x 1, DiMaria x 1, Lucy x 1

 

[Gryffindor]

Well that was one heck of a ride, wasn't it? Here is the full list with links to the elimination posts in case anyone ever feels like checking them out again.

[post=4599653] 1) Irene Belserion-12.200[/post]
[post=4599652] 2) Natsu Dragneel-11.750[/post]
[post=4599651] 3) Gildarts Clive-11.583[/post]
[post=4598583] 4) Laxus Dreyar-11.167[/post]
[post=4597382] 5) Jellal Fernandes-11.100[/post]
[post=4597225] 6) Larcade Dragneel-10.683[/post]
[post=4596413] 7) DiMaria Yesta-10.667[/post]
[post=4595925] 8) Erza Scarlet-10.083[/post]
[post=4595453] 9) God Serena-10.017[/post]
[post=4595191] 10) Gray Fullbuster-9.950[/post]
[post=4594738] 11) Brandish µ-9.533[/post]
[post=4593900] 12) Bradman-9.300[/post]
[post=4593439] 13) Gajeel Redfox-9.267[/post]
[post=4593248] 14) Sting Eucliffe-9.233[/post]
[post=4592900] 15) Invel Yura-9.117[/post]
[post=4592813] 16) Wall Eehto-9.017[/post]
[post=4592320] 17) Sherria Blendy-8.850[/post]
[post=4591927] 18) Ajeel Ramal-8.383[/post]
[post=4591726] 19) Jacob Lessio-8.183[/post]
[post=4591475] 20) Mard Geer-8.167[/post]
[post=4591231] 21) Mirajane Strauss-7.983[/post]
[post=4591204] 22) Precht Gaebolg-7.917[/post]
[post=4591058] 23) Lucy Heartfilia-7.733[/post]
[post=4590919] 24) Neinhart-7.450[/post]
[post=4590697] 25) Future Rogue Cheney-7.383[/post]
[post=4590248] 26) Kagura Mikazuchi-7.333[/post]
[post=4590163] 27) Wendy Marvell-7.033[/post]
[post=4589984] 28) Silver Fullbuster-6.750[/post]
[post=4589777] 29) Minerva Orland-6.683[/post]
[post=4589556] 30) Kyoka-6.550[/post]
[post=4589279] 31) Ultear Milkovich-6.283[/post]
[post=4589053] 32) Rogue Cheney-6.233[/post]
[post=4589013] 33) Erik "Cobra"-5.983[/post]
[post=4588937] 34) Macbeth "Midnight"-5.950[/post]
[post=4588113] 35) Arlock-5.850[/post]
[post=4587925] 36) Lyon Vastia-5.067[/post]
[post=4587728] 37) Cana Alberona-4.867[/post]
[post=4587607] 38) Elfman Strauss-4.483[/post]​

 

[Ebony Maw]

Before I end this rate officially, I just want to thank everyone who took part in it.

Thank you to everyone who voted, and even to those who didn't, the discussion in this thread has been incredibly interesting and outright entertaining.

Big thanks to my fellow hosts @BluePegasus, @Emperor Spriggan and @Gryffindor, you guys really upped your game in this rating and it wouldn't have been possible without you. The same goes to @Brandish @DiMaria Yesta @Crescent_jinxgrace @Takuan @~Charging Lightning~ and @Belserion, you all did fantastic posts!

And in general I want to thank the mods for making this run so smoothly, I know for a fact that this thread easily could have turned to chaos without their intervention. In particular I want to thank @Brandish for sticky-ing the thread, this thread wouldn't have been anywhere near as active if it wasn't for you.

I hope everyone enjoyed that the rate, as now....

This poster was made by @Valhalla777, big thanks to him!

THE EARTH LAND MAGES RATE IS OFFICIALLY OVER!​

 

[Woodenstool]

So by your own admission Larcade should be able to walk through Age Seal as he's an Etherious, in fact he's the closest being in existence to E.N.D.

Just fyi, when I say "immense magic power", I'm not saying they have MP that exceeds that of August/Irene/Zeref/Acno, simply that their MP should exceed that of a regular Spriggans by quite a bit.

Laxus could certainly be be counted as having immense MP, Wahl noted that a half-dead, MBP infested Laxus was still among Fairy Tail's top tier in terms of Magic Power. Keep in mind that this top tier includes people like Natsu and Gray, who are both capable of one-shotting/stomping Spriggans when it's called for. And as for Gildarts, he's always been the Ace of Fairy Tail and has only got stronger, I see no reason why he wouldn't be in the same category as Laxus.

Gildarts and Laxus are physically stronger than DiMaria, there's no questioning that. Chronos may have no sold a punch by DF Wendy, but that's DF Wendy. And base DiMaria got outright knocked back by a regular kick from DF Wendy. Wendy has never been a primary fighter, she's a support mage first and foremost.

On the other hand, a half-dead Laxus was knocking base Wahl back with no-named lightning infused punches and was tanking hits from base Wahl. The very fact that Wahl thought a half-dead Laxus was worth going Assault Mode for should speak volumes. The only reason Assault Wahl even got back on the offensive was because Laxus was having an MBP attack, the second Laxus was healthy and revealed he'd played Wahl, the latter crapped himself. After that Laxus killed him, admittedly with an asspull but it just goes to show that the only thing keeping Wahl in that fight was his lightning immunity and Laxus being half-dead.

As for Gildarts, the guy managed to blitzed August at the start of their fight and cube him. If he can cube August, he can cube DiMaria. Even if you argue against that, Gildarts can crash any laser beams from Chronos. And as for Age Seal, he should have comparable MP to Laxus so he would NLF it.

Jellal got one-shotted by a spell that he voluntarily got hit by. And your ignoring the fact that it sent him through an entire boat and trapped him under an anchor underwater. Also Chronos' lasers were deflected by DF Wendy's shield, considering he blocked an attack from Acno her beam isn't doing shit.

And saying PIS about Acno, while true, doesn't exactly hold up because he was completely riddled with it post-470. Yes, even against Irene, had he been even somewhat smart he would have one-shotted her as Universe One was being cast.

When Age Seal's limit is Spriggan tier, the likes of Laxus should be able to NLF it. Laxus is someone who was about to casually kill a Spriggan at the start of this arc and was knocking base Wahl around whilst half-dead. If he was considered top-tier among FT when half-dead, his MP should be monstrous at full health, especially when you consider how FT's top-tiers are capable of humiliating Spriggans.

Jellal's MP should be far above a Spriggans, when Jellal changed the skyline in Hargeon Neinhart shat himself. Even if you don't count that, knocking Acnologia back is still impressive and would take more MP than a Spriggan considering the only other person to do that was Irene.

And don't bring up Acno being moved by Erza's swords as a counter to this, @Seven777 rightly brought up that swords are physical objects. Jellal and Irene are the only characters to knock Acno back with a spell/blast of magic. Logically, this would at least somewhat imply that his Magic Power is above that of the average Spriggans.

Tentacles work against anyone. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

Jokes aside, Larcade is the nearest thing in existence to E.N.D, he should walk through Age Seal like his successor did.

Or Gildarts cubes her the second the fight starts. Also, as I said above, he should NLF it due to his MP.

Er, Laxus almost casually killed one at the start of the arc. Jellal one-shotted Neinhart once he got serious and later knocked back Acno and blocked an attack that was meant to kill Wendy. Gildarts would have won against August in moments had August not been a copy/nullify mage. Larcade dropped Laxus, Gildarts and more with a smile on his face. Natsu two-shotted an enhanced Spriggan, finished off Jacob in FDKM and one-shotted an immortal. Irene survived an encounter with Acnologia, knocked him back with magic and would have won her fight with Erza and Wendy had the Nakama-Queen not inspired her mother to commit suicide.

All of these feats are better than DiMaria one-shotting Brandish IMO, especially when you consider Brandish was caught off-guard.

You have no proof what the attack would've done. Statements over feats, Laxus isn't one shotting spriggan.

 

[BluePegasus]

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Larcade Dragneel
Score: 10,683

Highest score: 13 x 2 (@BluePegasus, @MLG Bradman), 12 x 5 (@Star Frost, @Emperor Spriggan, @Seraph, @Gryffindor, @xiaowang)
Lowest score: 8 x 2 (@Cosmicstar, @Stormsfury)
My score: 13/12

So people claim me to be a saboteur for giving Erza a 7 yet this man received not one, but TWO 8's? What an absolute joke.

Yeah, I gave him my 13, and I'm so glad I wasn't the only one. The three forms of magic this man has are just so powerful; I'd even go as far and say that his magic indeed may be able to affect Acnologia, like it was hyped to. I mean, how couldn't it? It's basically confirmed not to be a no limit fallacy.

BUT HEY, APPARENTLY NATSU CAN BURN THROUGH HIS ORGASM!

BEST FIGHT

Larcade vs. Kagura

Probably the best fight of the Alvarez arc (maybe after the face-off between Irene and Ancologia). Finally a Spriggan lived up to his hype, even if it was just for a moment.

Starting off, Kagura shows her brave side yet again by cutting through a mountain with Archenemy where Larcade sat on, which truly shows her will to fight him.

In the beginning she's actually doing pretty well against the elite Spriggan, mainly because of her ability to cancel the effects of Pleasure with a rather interesting manner. But once she wants to attack him from close by, Larcade blocks Archenemy with his BARE HAND! Obviously, Kagura is very surprised by his insane defense rate. Even though she keeps on attempting, none of her attacks manage to go through. Not that she can try for long though, due to Larcade brutally cutting her abdomen open.

After that, the White Dragneel ends it by ascending her "pure white soul" to the free heavens. Well, sort of.

There was no nonsensical, biased or silly writing included in this at all, which did happen in a lot of other Alvarez arc fights. It's an outstander for sure.

BEST MAGIC

R.I.P.

Okay, so Larcade has three types of magic that doesn't contain certain spells. So instead, I picked one of this three to be his best magic. And of course, that's R.I.P. Okay, the name is a bit of a no, but the effects are incredible and pure hax. This type of magic targets the human desire to sleep. Basically, once you're being affected, you'll fall asleep and remain in that state for all eternity. All by all, it's an instant death. Terrifying.

Overview
Magic: Pleasure, Soul of the Wicked Meal, R.I.P.
Affiliation: Spriggan Twelve​

 

[Woodenstool]

"Starting off, Kagura shows her brave side yet again by cutting through a mountain with Archenemy where Larcade sat on, which truly shows her will to fight him."

I laughed when it said "mountain".

 

[Jko]

Lol a 13 for Larcade. @MLG Bradman I thought your favorite character was Bradman. I demand you change your user name bcs you gave Larcade your 13 and not Bradman. How could you betray the main man (or demon)?

Spoiler: Such betrayal!

Spoiler: How could you?

Spoiler: The pain is real :'(

 

[Anti Hero 3:16]

I had this feeling that larcade could be next given that di maria was the last one to go. Though I think he should be ahead of jellal and probably laxus given his different pleasure magic.

--- Double Post Merged, Aug 30, 2017, Original Post Date: Aug 30, 2017 ---

what Gildarts doesent have Spriggan tier Magic Power??? Gildarts one-shotted God Serena...

Read my full post before replying, I said gildarts don't have MP in comparison to august/irene/zeref/acnologia. One is born from infinite magic, other is a dragon, third one also has some infinite magic and the fourth one is dragon king who wiped out strongest race on his own. He definitely has MP in comparison to other spriggans.

 

[Berty]

Well I'm guessing Irene should go next now. I'm sure that Laxus and Jellal can one shot her with red lighting and GC respectively.

 

[Woodenstool]

I had this feeling that larcade could be next given that di maria was the last one to go. Though I think he should be ahead of jellal and probably laxus given his different pleasure magic.

--- Double Post Merged, Aug 30, 2017, Original Post Date: Aug 30, 2017 ---

Read my full post before replying, I said gildarts don't have MP in comparison to august/irene/zeref/acnologia. One is born from infinite magic, other is a dragon, third one also has some infinite magic and the fourth one is dragon king who wiped out strongest race on his own. He definitely has MP in comparison to other spriggans.

Just because August was born from Mavis who has unlimited magic doesnt mean he has more magic than Gildarts. He was the only person who wasn't shocked by his magic. Natsu did.

 

[Ebony Maw]

Jellal got KOed by the attack. You guys do know getting KOed by anchor is worse than not getting KOed by the damage? BoS Natsu could pick up big @ss robot and current Jellal is defeated by an anchor? He didn't have time to escape the blast radius with Kagura.

He didn't escape the blast radius because he had to grab Kagura first. Had Neinhart aimed the blast at Jellal he could have avoided it.

As for Jellal getting KO'd, let me ask you a question: if Neinhart could casually KO Jellal with one unnamed spell, why couldn't August?

Laxus is not above an S12 in magic. Nobody was scared of his MP at all. So no NLF to be presented and timestop can't be stopped by sheer power. You need to have a resistance or counter to it.

Spoiler: Ajeel disagrees

Ajeel clearly crapped himself. Oh, and considering that was a casual nuke and August hinted it could have killed Ajeel, it would only make sense for Laxus to have more MP than the standard S12.

Also, saying Age Seal doesn't have a limit flat out contradicts manga canon:

Spoiler

DiMaria explicitly states that E.N.D was simply too powerful for Age Seal.

Laxus was not beating up Base Wall while half dead. His illness only kicked up after Wall conveniently missed a nuke that would have severely damaged Laxus. Base Wall matched Laxus for blows.

Wahl literally said that he was amazed Laxus was even alive. The dude was essentially fighting a death battle with a Spriggan immune to his magic with a giant tumor in him and he was still sending him flying.

Also, base Wahl matched Laxus blow for blow because he was conveniently immune to lightning, had he not been he would have been getting his ass kicked even harder.

Jellal's MP was not noted to be big at all it was just a display of his magic. Juvia can create massive storm clouds doesnt mean her magic is on the S12s level.

What? How is changing an entire skyline not an indicator of massive amounts of Magic Power? It made the cocky Neinhart break out into hysterics:

Spoiler

Larcade was failure as well and was discarded as such. He doesn't scale to END in anyway. And Natsu's fire is what allows him to walk through Age Seal as he can burn through time itself.

As I showed above, DiMaria says that E.N.D was simply too powerful for Age Seal, she doesn't mention him burning time at all.

LMFAO at saying Larcade doesn't scale to E.N.D, he was literally the prototype for E.N.D and is the second most powerful Etherious of all time, of course he scales to him. Also this is a guy who downed the likes of Laxus and Gildarts with a smile on his face, and his hax has been shown to affect the likes of Irene and Zeref.

That's more than enough evidence to suggest he's powerful enough to break Age Seal.

Gild has to pull up his hand while DiMaria only has to think therefore Dim's magic is faster on the trigger.

I'll admit that I'm actually iffy on Gildarts vs Age Seal, since August was nerfed to hell in their fight. However, I'd give him the benefit of the doubt against Age Seal due to his physical feats against August, editor's notes hyping him as the strongest FT member, and because he was the Ace of Fairy Tail and he's only got stronger.

Erza's swords are still made of magic.

Spoiler

Her swords are still considered magical attacks Further proof is that Gajeel's Iron Sword

Spoiler

did not budge Acno at all so her sword being a physical object means nothing as seen when Gajeel sword didn't not even tickle him. Dragon Acno getting pushed down by Erza's swords is PIS. If he was serious he wouldn't have been pushes by Erza, Jellal, or Christina.

OK... where to begin?

First off, Erza wasn't saying her swords are all magical, she was generally stating that despite Midnight being able to turn back magic he can't alter the human body. Nothing says he can't alter non-magic objects like her swords.

Second off, even if they are magic swords, it's still an object. Naturally a magical object is going to affect Acnologia more than a magical blast because while Acnologia is incredibly resistant to the magic, the mass of the object is still there.

Finally, that Gajeel comparison is awful for a couple of reasons. The first reason is because whereas Erza simply summons magical/non-magical objects, Gajeel fully transforms his arm. The second reason it's awful is because that's a mega amped version of Acnologia.

Also, I find it funny how you don't mention Irene here. By all accounts he should have murked her the second she tried using Universe One.

Laxus side swiped Ajeel and we don't know if that would actually beat him or not. He has not casually defeated an S12.

August hinted that Laxus would have killed Ajeel had he not intervened. This is reinforced by Ajeel shitting himself upon seeing the nuke. Had August not intervened, Laxus would have at least severely injured him casually.

Jellal beat Neinhart after Neinhart had his Historia stripped from him because of Erza's BS. He also needed charge time for a powerful GS which exhausted him while Natsu beat an enhanced one in two shots. Neinhart's physicals just suck.

That wasn't a charged Grand Chariot.

Jellal only did the hand signs a page before he unleashed it, the skyline changing was just his Magic Power.

Acno could have blitzed Wendy and pulled a God Serena if he really wanted her dead. A tired af Natsu blocked a blast from this guy two times. The PIS was real in the last twenty chapters or so.

PIS was going on for a long time, for Acno specifically it was everything after 470/489. As I mentioned, the Acnologia that killed God Serena wouldn't have hesitated to kill Irene.

Larcade's hax is situational, and he has to use hand gestures for it while

Situational? How?

Pleasure gets anyone who's had sex, and even if they haven't there's always tentacles. Hunger is for groups which allows him to turn people against each other in mere moments. And R.I.P has only been shown to have one counter: a counter only two characters have.

Individually his magic/curses may be situational, but all together he has a lot of options.

DiMaria only has to think which makes her hax faster to the trigger. Like Larcade's hax, Gild's hax is slower than DiMaria's.

Like I said, I can get you with Gildarts, but I give him the benefit of the doubt here.

Do not see how walking up and talking to Brandish constitutes as an off guard attack.

Mainly because I doubt she expected DiMaria to just stab her.

Ajeel was caught off guard when Laxus came out of the left field nuking stuff.

Not really, Ajeel had already seen him stop his Sands of Death and still tried to stop them from escaping, Ajeel was ready for an attack, the sheer power of it just made him crap himself.

Why are we talking about Irene or Natsu? She is above Dim. The rest of the boys besides Natsu (as he has a counter to Age Seal) are not. I'm pretty sure I said Natsu and Irene are above Dim.

My bad here, it was more of a blanket statement.
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Lol a 13 for Larcade. @MLG Bradman I thought your favorite character was Bradman. I demand you change your user name bcs you gave Larcade your 13 and not Bradman. How could you betray the main man (or demon)?

Spoiler: Such betrayal!

Spoiler: How could you?

Spoiler: The pain is real :'(

I wish I could have given Bradman the 13, but he's got the IQ of a shovel.

Thanks Mashima.

--- Double Post Merged, Aug 30, 2017, Original Post Date: Aug 30, 2017 ---

You have no proof what the attack would've done. Statements over feats, Laxus isn't one shotting spriggan.

August , the King of Magic, seemed to think it would have killed Ajeel. And Ajeel himself crapped himself. I see no reason to doubt August's words.

 

[EmptySoul]

Alright this is getting ridiculous
Jelly in top 5?

Jelly beating Dimarias hax time stop and Larcades RIP thingie?

Do that many people consider Jellal eating Augusts foot and tickling Acno actual feats? Cmon guys

 

[Reebi]

what Gildarts doesent have Spriggan tier Magic Power??? Gildarts one-shotted God Serena...

Historia or not, Gray, Natsu, Erza and Lucy had trouble with him and Gildarts was like, "Eff you, I just wanna find my hidden stash before these mofos do with this universal one shit"

 

[Valhalla]

hhhh .... i should have expected Larcade to go bye bye since Dimaria went so early

in my opinion, i dont see laxus, Jellal or Gildarts countering Larcade or Dimaria, the trio are freaking monster fighters but they dont have the MP to bypass those haxes, for Larcade even more so since that MP rule doesnt even applie to his hax, he can basically affect anyone except August, who can counter and negate that shit and Sting who eats it for dinner.
Larcade should have been top 4 or top 3, well higher than Laxus, Jellal and Gildarts at least.

.... so who will be next ... lol i wont be surprised if even the queen herself goes out next

Spoiler

if she does go out next hhhhh .... then BURN

 

[Woodenstool]

He didn't escape the blast radius because he had to grab Kagura first. Had Neinhart aimed the blast at Jellal he could have avoided it.

As for Jellal getting KO'd, let me ask you a question: if Neinhart could casually KO Jellal with one unnamed spell, why couldn't August?

Spoiler: Ajeel disagrees

Ajeel clearly crapped himself. Oh, and considering that was a casual nuke and August hinted it could have killed Ajeel, it would only make sense for Laxus to have more MP than the standard S12.

Also, saying Age Seal doesn't have a limit flat out contradicts manga canon:

Spoiler

DiMaria explicitly states that E.N.D was simply too powerful for Age Seal.

Wahl literally said that he was amazed Laxus was even alive. The dude was essentially fighting a death battle with a Spriggan immune to his magic with a giant tumor in him and he was still sending him flying.

Also, base Wahl matched Laxus blow for blow because he was conveniently immune to lightning, had he not been he would have been getting his ass kicked even harder.

What? How is changing an entire skyline not an indicator of massive amounts of Magic Power? It made the cocky Neinhart break out into hysterics:

Spoiler

As I showed above, DiMaria says that E.N.D was simply too powerful for Age Seal, she doesn't mention him burning time at all.

LMFAO at saying Larcade doesn't scale to E.N.D, he was literally the prototype for E.N.D and is the second most powerful Etherious of all time, of course he scales to him. Also this is a guy who downed the likes of Laxus and Gildarts with a smile on his face, and his hax has been shown to affect the likes of Irene and Zeref.

That's more than enough evidence to suggest he's powerful enough to break Age Seal.

I'll admit that I'm actually iffy on Gildarts vs Age Seal, since August was nerfed to hell in their fight. However, I'd give him the benefit of the doubt against Age Seal due to his physical feats against August, editor's notes hyping him as the strongest FT member, and because he was the Ace of Fairy Tail and he's only got stronger.

OK... where to begin?

First off, Erza wasn't saying her swords are all magical, she was generally stating that despite Midnight being able to turn back magic he can't alter the human body. Nothing says he can't alter non-magic objects like her swords.

Second off, even if they are magic swords, it's still an object. Naturally a magical object is going to affect Acnologia more than a magical blast because while Acnologia is incredibly resistant to the magic, the mass of the object is still there.

Finally, that Gajeel comparison is awful for a couple of reasons. The first reason is because whereas Erza simply summons magical/non-magical objects, Gajeel fully transforms his arm. The second reason it's awful is because that's a mega amped version of Acnologia.

Also, I find it funny how you don't mention Irene here. By all accounts he should have murked her the second she tried using Universe One.

August hinted that Laxus would have killed Ajeel had he not intervened. This is reinforced by Ajeel shitting himself upon seeing the nuke. Had August not intervened, Laxus would have at least severely injured him casually.

That wasn't a charged Grand Chariot.

Jellal only did the hand signs a page before he unleashed it, the skyline changing was just his Magic Power.

PIS was going on for a long time, for Acno specifically it was everything after 470/489. As I mentioned, the Acnologia that killed God Serena wouldn't have hesitated to kill Irene.

Situational? How?

Pleasure gets anyone who's had sex, and even if they haven't there's always tentacles. Hunger is for groups which allows him to turn people against each other in mere moments. And R.I.P has only been shown to have one counter: a counter only two characters have.

Individually his magic/curses may be situational, but all together he has a lot of options.

Like I said, I can get you with Gildarts, but I give him the benefit of the doubt here.

Mainly because I doubt she expected DiMaria to just stab her.

Not really, Ajeel had already seen him stop his Sands of Death and still tried to stop them from escaping, Ajeel was ready for an attack, the sheer power of it just made him crap himself.

My bad here, it was more of a blanket statement.
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I wish I could have given Bradman the 13, but he's got the IQ of a shovel.

Thanks Mashima.

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August , the King of Magic, seemed to think it would have killed Ajeel. And Ajeel himself crapped himself. I see no reason to doubt August's words.

If you had some comprehension and done some basic critical thinking you would know that Zeref created Natsu to defeat him. Zeref has time magic and in order to defeat him, Natsu/END needed to counter this ability. Using lore, Zeref created a perfect being capable of defeating him.

And dude, feats over statements. No one knows how much damage or what it would've done to Ajeel. Laxus' attack is featless. Stop bringing this up.

END didn't burn Dimarias time magic lol, thats just your fan fiction. I challenge you show me scans.

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He didn't escape the blast radius because he had to grab Kagura first. Had Neinhart aimed the blast at Jellal he could have avoided it.

As for Jellal getting KO'd, let me ask you a question: if Neinhart could casually KO Jellal with one unnamed spell, why couldn't August?

Spoiler: Ajeel disagrees

Ajeel clearly crapped himself. Oh, and considering that was a casual nuke and August hinted it could have killed Ajeel, it would only make sense for Laxus to have more MP than the standard S12.

Also, saying Age Seal doesn't have a limit flat out contradicts manga canon:

Spoiler

DiMaria explicitly states that E.N.D was simply too powerful for Age Seal.

Wahl literally said that he was amazed Laxus was even alive. The dude was essentially fighting a death battle with a Spriggan immune to his magic with a giant tumor in him and he was still sending him flying.

Also, base Wahl matched Laxus blow for blow because he was conveniently immune to lightning, had he not been he would have been getting his ass kicked even harder.

What? How is changing an entire skyline not an indicator of massive amounts of Magic Power? It made the cocky Neinhart break out into hysterics:

Spoiler

As I showed above, DiMaria says that E.N.D was simply too powerful for Age Seal, she doesn't mention him burning time at all.

LMFAO at saying Larcade doesn't scale to E.N.D, he was literally the prototype for E.N.D and is the second most powerful Etherious of all time, of course he scales to him. Also this is a guy who downed the likes of Laxus and Gildarts with a smile on his face, and his hax has been shown to affect the likes of Irene and Zeref.

That's more than enough evidence to suggest he's powerful enough to break Age Seal.

I'll admit that I'm actually iffy on Gildarts vs Age Seal, since August was nerfed to hell in their fight. However, I'd give him the benefit of the doubt against Age Seal due to his physical feats against August, editor's notes hyping him as the strongest FT member, and because he was the Ace of Fairy Tail and he's only got stronger.

OK... where to begin?

First off, Erza wasn't saying her swords are all magical, she was generally stating that despite Midnight being able to turn back magic he can't alter the human body. Nothing says he can't alter non-magic objects like her swords.

Second off, even if they are magic swords, it's still an object. Naturally a magical object is going to affect Acnologia more than a magical blast because while Acnologia is incredibly resistant to the magic, the mass of the object is still there.

Finally, that Gajeel comparison is awful for a couple of reasons. The first reason is because whereas Erza simply summons magical/non-magical objects, Gajeel fully transforms his arm. The second reason it's awful is because that's a mega amped version of Acnologia.

Also, I find it funny how you don't mention Irene here. By all accounts he should have murked her the second she tried using Universe One.

August hinted that Laxus would have killed Ajeel had he not intervened. This is reinforced by Ajeel shitting himself upon seeing the nuke. Had August not intervened, Laxus would have at least severely injured him casually.

That wasn't a charged Grand Chariot.

Jellal only did the hand signs a page before he unleashed it, the skyline changing was just his Magic Power.

PIS was going on for a long time, for Acno specifically it was everything after 470/489. As I mentioned, the Acnologia that killed God Serena wouldn't have hesitated to kill Irene.

Situational? How?

Pleasure gets anyone who's had sex, and even if they haven't there's always tentacles. Hunger is for groups which allows him to turn people against each other in mere moments. And R.I.P has only been shown to have one counter: a counter only two characters have.

Individually his magic/curses may be situational, but all together he has a lot of options.

Like I said, I can get you with Gildarts, but I give him the benefit of the doubt here.

Mainly because I doubt she expected DiMaria to just stab her.

Not really, Ajeel had already seen him stop his Sands of Death and still tried to stop them from escaping, Ajeel was ready for an attack, the sheer power of it just made him crap himself.

My bad here, it was more of a blanket statement.
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I wish I could have given Bradman the 13, but he's got the IQ of a shovel.

Thanks Mashima.

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August , the King of Magic, seemed to think it would have killed Ajeel. And Ajeel himself crapped himself. I see no reason to doubt August's words.

OH MY GOD KID, just because a character says something doesn't make it true. FEATS OVER STATEMENTS. Madara said all kinds of shit that weren't true.

NO ONE KNOWS WHAT THE ATTACK WOULD'VE DONE.

 

[Ebony Maw]

If you had some comprehension and done some basic critical thinking you would know that Zeref created Natsu to defeat him. Zeref has time magic and in order to defeat him, Natsu/END needed to counter this ability. Using lore, Zeref created a perfect being capable of defeating him.

Yes, he created a being more powerful than himself, that doesn't mean he's got some special counter to time magic, he's just too powerful for Age Seal. As is shown in the scans, DiMaria outright says E.N.D was too powerful. No special counter was implied or even hinted.

And dude, feats over statements. No one knows how much damage or what it would've done to Ajeel. Laxus' attack is featless. Stop bringing this up.

Why? Because you don't like it?

Fact is, August has absolutely no reason to lie about the attack critically wounding/killing Ajeel. Ajeel himself was petrified when the bolt was about to hit him. Unless you can say why Laxus doing this is so absurd I'm going to bring it up because it's something the manga implied.

END didn't burn Dimarias time magic lol, thats just your fan fiction. I challenge you show me scans.

Well this is rich. You started your post by saying I hadn't done basic critical thinking or comprehension, and yet here you've done exactly that: I was arguing against the idea that Natsu burned through Age Seal.

Also lol at saying I'm making fan fiction, last time I recall you were trying to convince everyone in the power ranking thread that Gildarts moves at "poof speed" and one-shots 99% of the verse with mountain busting punches. Not hypocritical at all.

Next time you address an argument like this actually read the points first.

OH MY GOD KID

Resorting to name calling? What a flawless argument.

just because a character says something doesn't make it true. FEATS OVER STATEMENTS. Madara said all kinds of shit that weren't true.

Not sure what you're referencing about Madara, I haven't watched all of Naruto yet.

But like I said above, the source of hype is credible. August has no reason to lie and Ajeel's reaction paints quite the picture.

NO ONE KNOWS WHAT THE ATTACK WOULD'VE DONE.

Keep saying that if it makes you feel better, doesn't change the fact that I have the word of the King of Magic on my side whilst your blindly refusing to listen.

 

[Tirl]

Statements over feats

FEATS OVER STATEMENTS

Woodenstool - GAMEOVER

 

[Woodenstool]

Woodenstool - GAMEOVER

typo

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Yes, he created a being more powerful than himself, that doesn't mean he's got some special counter to time magic, he's just too powerful for Age Seal. As is shown in the scans, DiMaria outright says E.N.D was too powerful. No special counter was implied or even hinted.

Why? Because you don't like it?

Fact is, August has absolutely no reason to lie about the attack critically wounding/killing Ajeel. Ajeel himself was petrified when the bolt was about to hit him. Unless you can say why Laxus doing this is so absurd I'm going to bring it up because it's something the manga implied.

Well this is rich. You started your post by saying I hadn't done basic critical thinking or comprehension, and yet here you've done exactly that: I was arguing against the idea that Natsu burned through Age Seal.

Also lol at saying I'm making fan fiction, last time I recall you were trying to convince everyone in the power ranking thread that Gildarts moves at "poof speed" and one-shots 99% of the verse with mountain busting punches. Not hypocritical at all.

Next time you address an argument like this actually read the points first.

Resorting to name calling? What a flawless argument.

Not sure what you're referencing about Madara, I haven't watched all of Naruto yet.

But like I said above, the source of hype is credible. August has no reason to lie and Ajeel's reaction paints quite the picture.

Keep saying that if it makes you feel better, doesn't change the fact that I have the word of the King of Magic on my side whilst your blindly refusing to listen.

So using your logic, when Dimaria stopped time, Irene and August were the only ones not affected. If that was the case then Jacob would never have gotten a spell to hide under the radar because he would've been frozen and August kept walking.

You have yet to show any scans proving that August or Irene wasn't affected by Dimaria's magic.

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Throw in the fact she specifically said "Only END is capable of this feat".

 

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Throw in the fact she specifically said "Only END is capable of this feat".

Feats > Statements though.

 

[Woodenstool]

Feats > Statements though.

Exactly, only END bypassed her ability.

 

[Arjuna]

So Larcade.I feel next will be either Laxus,Jellal or even Gildarts.

Let's see.

Good job @BluePegasus with the post.

 

[Brandish μ]

Eh, no way Gildarts is next. Jelly or Laxus, I'll say Jellal.

Honestly Larcade at 6 is fine by me. He's better than the other 12's, he'd give Jellal or Laxus a tough fight. Hax isn't so amazing to me, because half of it's 'power' is that it makes you believe it's stronger than it is by how these powers are written. Larcade's haxes were broken each time by people in direct contact with him.

I mean it's not like hax is anywhere near as powerful as a nakama punch or the FT crest...

 

[Arjuna]

Eh, no way Gildarts is next. Jelly or Laxus, I'll say Jellal.

Honestly Larcade at 6 is fine by me. He's better than the other 12's, he'd give Jellal or Laxus a tough fight. Hax isn't so amazing to me, because half of it's 'power' is that it makes you believe it's stronger than it is by how these powers are written. Larcade's haxes were broken each time by people in direct contact with him.

I mean it's not like hax is anywhere near as powerful as a nakama punch or the FT crest...

I personally will prefer Jellal above Laxus simply because Jellal performed much better against Acnologia then Laxus did.