Discussion Implications of BB vs SH matchups

[Windfall Island]

Since kuzan has joined BB pirates ( whether he is undercover etc is right now not confirmed)
And shiryu seems to be the matchup for zoro. Here are some of the implications of it.

We can also expect proper 1 vs 1 battles.
Under the assumption that kuzan does stay under BB when SH vs BB happens :-
1) Zoro vs Shiryu (both being swordsman) is perfectly accurate.
2) Sanji vs Kuzan (sanji's fire kicks are perfect against aokiji's ice)

These 2 things imply:-
1)Sanji would be admiral lvl. Since he will have to beat kuzan . He might be akainu level to the say the least.
2) Shiryu & Zoro would be stronger than Akainu lvl.
3) Mihawk is also stronger than Akainu lvl (if shiryu killing mihawk theory doesnt happen & zoro vs mihawk is very higly anticipated fight since the days of east blue)
4) We know the gap between Zoro & Sanji & if it doesnt come down, you can expect the same lvl of gap between ,Zoro , Shiryu & kuzan.

So since some of these things may sound ridiculous , i would like to know your opinion on this.

 

[I Am Atomic]

I don't think Sanji v Aokiji will happen. In the Dressrosa arc, we saw the conversation between BB and Burgess. Irrc, either of those two said that they cannot trust Aokiji and also Shiryu. From my point of view Aokiji follows "lazy justice", even though he is lazy he still believes in justice. However, Shiryu is plainly evil. He kills people for fun. So BB pirates is perfectly suitable for him. So the black sheep anong the BB pirate is Aokiji. Aokiji might have joined the BB pirates to take them down from the inside, maybe a deal between him and Akainu? So I believe that Aokiji will die by the hands of BB pirates. Just like Snape and Voldemort scene (Harry potter).

I agree with Zoro v Shiryu (1v1)
Jinbe v Vasco Shot can happen imo
Franky v Alvaro Prezo (idk why)
Brook v Laffite - Brook represented as a Satan but is a good guy. Laffite represented as a angel (white wings) but is evil. Both has cane and is pale as bones.
Sanji v Burgess (with df) (imo)
Chopper v Doc Q and stronger (doctors)
Nami and Robin v Caterina Devon
All v Sanjuan Wolf
Usopp v Van Augur
Luffy v BB

The fight I see SH's lose is the one against Caterina Devon. Lv6 prisoners are no joke and with her getting stronger due to being in the BB pirates, the girls on the SH's side has no way of defeating her. If Carrot or another female member joins and it becomes 3v1, then yes.

Ofc, these might not happen. Robin might not fight at all since she might ve after the poneglyph. The Grand Fleet captains can also take on these commanders.

Another guess of mine is the Franky v Alvaro Prezo matchup. He is not a prisoner from lv6 ID. When the new members of BB crew in Marineford was introduced, he was the only member who wasn't wearing prisoner clothes. When Ivankov gave a list of the dangerous prisoners in lv6, Alvaro Prezo's name wasn't present. So no idea how his powers fare.

 

[RezzieThaRapper]

Luffy, v Teach & Zoro v Shillew should be set in stone

I agree if Kuzan stays then Sanji will fight him. I also believe his modified body will have it's dormant genes activated by then closing the Zoro gap.

Jinbe and his ability to summon numerous Whales (or Whale Sharks?) will pit him against San Juan Wolf and the Knight of the Sea shall sink The Colossal Battleship

Chopper vs. Doc Q and Stronger (and hopefully a plague fruit or something)

God Sogeking Manly Usoland'pp vs. Van Auger (Way too one sided, Van Auger should sleep in)

Nami and Robin (and maybe) Carrot vs. Vasco Shot

(PLOT TWIST) Boa Hancock vs. Catalina Devon

Franky (Base) vs. Avalon Pizarro sounds cool

Franky (Shogun Upgrade) "or" Carrot (with "Weremink" form?) vs. Jesus Burgess

Brook vs. Lafitte sounds cool to me too

 

[Fox666]

While the parallels between the Straw Hats and Blackbeard Pirates is interesting, the problems is that in the New World the crew has been split or receiving help from allies. In fact the only one to fight against one of the Giantic Captains so far was Sabo.

 

[kazekaze_yuki]

These battles absolutely will happen
1/ Luffy vs BB
2/ Zoro vs Shiryu
3/ Usopp vs Van Augur (Sniper)
4/ Chopper vs Doctor Q & Stronger (Doctor vs Doctor)

*Predictions:
1/ Nami vs Laffite (Navigator)
2/ Franky vs Burgess (shipwrighter vs helmsman).
3/ Jinbe vs Sanjuan Wolf
Some people say Burgess will fight Jinbei, but the fact he was defeated easily by Sabo, that means he's strong but not as Jinbei's level
4/ Robin vs Vasco Shot "Heavy Drinker"
5/ Sanji vs Avalo Pizzaro "Corrupt King"
I believe Avalo Pizzaro would be the third strongest member, and due to his title "Corrup King" that means he did something very bad in the past like abused woman, kids and raped them, that make him completely opposite to Sanji.
6/ ??? vs Catarina Devon
7/ Brook vs ???
Excluding Trio Monster, I don't see anyone strong enough to fight LV6 beside Robin & Jinbei, maybe Franky too.
As we know, there are a group of Ten Titanic Captains that personally guard Blackbeard. Before timeskip, BB had 10 members under him (include Stronger, the horse), but now he has 10 captains, I think Doctor Q & Stronger are the same team, that means BB got one more captain during timeskip.

With Jinbe's joining, Luffy would have 9 members, but now BB has 10 captains -> there will have a new member. I hope the last member would be Hancock and she will fight Catarina. And Brook will fight BB's 10th captain

 

[I Am Atomic]

BB got one more captain during timeskip.

Aokiji. Its been already confirmed I believe.

 

[hokageji]

These battles absolutely will happen
1/ Luffy vs BB
2/ Zoro vs Shiryu
3/ Usopp vs Van Augur (Sniper)
4/ Chopper vs Doctor Q & Stronger (Doctor vs Doctor)

*Predictions:
1/ Nami vs Laffite (Navigator)
2/ Franky vs Burgess (shipwrighter vs helmsman).
3/ Jinbe vs Sanjuan Wolf
Some people say Burgess will fight Jinbei, but the fact he was defeated easily by Sabo, that means he's strong but not as Jinbei's level
4/ Robin vs Vasco Shot "Heavy Drinker"
5/ Sanji vs Avalo Pizzaro "Corrupt King"

Well, I think Brooks will fight Laffite... And Nami will fight Catalina Devon...

 

[kkck]

These battles absolutely will happen
1/ Luffy vs BB
2/ Zoro vs Shiryu
3/ Usopp vs Van Augur (Sniper)
4/ Chopper vs Doctor Q & Stronger (Doctor vs Doctor)

*Predictions:
1/ Nami vs Laffite (Navigator)
2/ Franky vs Burgess (shipwrighter vs helmsman).
3/ Jinbe vs Sanjuan Wolf
Some people say Burgess will fight Jinbei, but the fact he was defeated easily by Sabo, that means he's strong but not as Jinbei's level
4/ Robin vs Vasco Shot "Heavy Drinker"
5/ Sanji vs Avalo Pizzaro "Corrupt King"
I believe Avalo Pizzaro would be the third strongest member, and due to his title "Corrup King" that means he did something very bad in the past like abused woman, kids and raped them, that make him completely opposite to Sanji.
6/ ??? vs Catarina Devon
7/ Brook vs ???
Excluding Trio Monster, I don't see anyone strong enough to fight LV6 beside Robin & Jinbei, maybe Franky too.
As we know, there are a group of Ten Titanic Captains that personally guard Blackbeard. Before timeskip, BB had 10 members under him (include Stronger, the horse), but now he has 10 captains, I think Doctor Q & Stronger are the same team, that means BB got one more captain during timeskip.

With Jinbe's joining, Luffy would have 9 members, but now BB has 10 captains -> there will have a new member. I hope the last member would be Hancock and she will fight Catarina. And Brook will fight BB's 10th captain

That's a weird comparison between jinbe and sabo lol. Sabo IIRC also held back fujitora for a bit... The guy as a kid was a match to ace and has two years worth of new world fighting over luffy. He even held back isho, an admiral. Given all that and his position it is not a stretch that sabo could have been stronger than jinbe even before getting his devil fruit. With that in mind, burgues fighting jinbe is not that big stretch. Also worth noting, burgues is someone whose strength will likely continue to increase. And considering his position, perhaps significantly so. Not to mention that BB is actively looking for powerful fruits meaning that the next time we see burgues he could have an exceptional ability.

I agree with the above posts about the matchups for nami and brook. Those seem like better fits. It is kinda hard to imagine several of the strawhats taking on level 6 inmates at this point in the story though. Perhaps robin and nami working together against catalina would make sense even later on in the story.

Part of the issue here is that we don't quite have much notion of what BB's crew hierarchy is. Shiliu being number 2 makes sense though. At least when it comes to fighting zoro. And given that he was regarded as being as big a threat as magellan but without such an arbitrarily broken fruit it is not a stretch that he could fill that role. It is kinda weird to imagine him as a marco parallel. Maybe if he also gets a DF though.

I wonder if wolf is even a fighter. We have seen how being big works for some people. And he didn't seem too active at marineford either. Someone that big would under more normal circumstances be just a target for stronger people.

 

[kazekaze_yuki]

That's a weird comparison between jinbe and sabo lol. Sabo IIRC also held back fujitora for a bit... The guy as a kid was a match to ace and has two years worth of new world fighting over luffy. He even held back isho, an admiral. Given all that and his position it is not a stretch that sabo could have been stronger than jinbe even before getting his devil fruit. With that in mind, burgues fighting jinbe is not that big stretch. Also worth noting, burgues is someone whose strength will likely continue to increase. And considering his position, perhaps significantly so. Not to mention that BB is actively looking for powerful fruits meaning that the next time we see burgues he could have an exceptional ability.

You're right. Sabo is obviously stronger than Jinbei due to his position and his fight with Fujitora.
Sabo defeated Burgess easily but I doubt he could do the same to Jinbei. It would be a hard fight. Remember that even Ace had trouble to fight Jinbe in the past when Ace challenged WB the first time. And when Ace & Jinbe locked in Impel Down, Ace considered him a tough opponent not easy to defeat even his strength at that time, he was strong enought to fight against Aokiji, an admiral, maybe little weaker but not too much. I'm not saying Jinbe is strong enough to be able to defeat an admiral, but I'm quite sure they would have a hard time with him.
Except the time Akainu hurt Jinbe, at that time Jinbe's goal was to ensure the safety for Luffy, he didnt have time to fight back. If not, he would had a hard time with Jinbei.
He is a former Shichibukai, same rank with his captain, BB, before timeskip. Yes, he is not strong as BB even before he got WB's fruit. Burgess seemed the second strongest before LV6 joined, but I don't think he is strong as them. Jinbe is meant to fight LV6 member
http://www.mangareader.net/one-piece/440/15
Even BB said they wouldnt stand a chance against Ace. Ace & Jinbe were the same level at that time, even after 2 years, Burgess got much stronger but I don't see he's strong enough to be equal to Jinbe.

 

[Windfall Island]

I don't think Sanji v Aokiji will happen. In the Dressrosa arc, we saw the conversation between BB and Burgess. Irrc, either of those two said that they cannot trust Aokiji and also Shiryu. From my point of view Aokiji follows "lazy justice", even though he is lazy he still believes in justice. However, Shiryu is plainly evil. He kills people for fun. So BB pirates is perfectly suitable for him. So the black sheep anong the BB pirate is Aokiji. Aokiji might have joined the BB pirates to take them down from the inside, maybe a deal between him and Akainu? So I believe that Aokiji will die by the hands of BB pirates. Just like Snape and Voldemort scene (Harry potter).

I agree with Zoro v Shiryu (1v1)
Jinbe v Vasco Shot can happen imo
Franky v Alvaro Prezo (idk why)
Brook v Laffite - Brook represented as a Satan but is a good guy. Laffite represented as a angel (white wings) but is evil. Both has cane and is pale as bones.
Sanji v Burgess (with df) (imo)
Chopper v Doc Q and stronger (doctors)
Nami and Robin v Caterina Devon
All v Sanjuan Wolf
Usopp v Van Augur
Luffy v BB

The fight I see SH's lose is the one against Caterina Devon. Lv6 prisoners are no joke and with her getting stronger due to being in the BB pirates, the girls on the SH's side has no way of defeating her. If Carrot or another female member joins and it becomes 3v1, then yes.

Ofc, these might not happen. Robin might not fight at all since she might ve after the poneglyph. The Grand Fleet captains can also take on these commanders.

Another guess of mine is the Franky v Alvaro Prezo matchup. He is not a prisoner from lv6 ID. When the new members of BB crew in Marineford was introduced, he was the only member who wasn't wearing prisoner clothes. When Ivankov gave a list of the dangerous prisoners in lv6, Alvaro Prezo's name wasn't present. So no idea how his powers fare.

Yeah but BB wants aokiji in his crew. Burgess said aokiji cant be trusted to which BB replied "isnt shiryu the same ?"
It can be a foreshadowing or Oda covering the minute details of answering the fact that obviously BB pirates wont trust aokiji but since their captain does he may eventually be accepted.
And these implications stand true IF aokiji stays

--- Double Post Merged, Sep 22, 2017, Original Post Date: Sep 22, 2017 ---

While the parallels between the Straw Hats and Blackbeard Pirates is interesting, the problems is that in the New World the crew has been split or receiving help from allies. In fact the only one to fight against one of the Giantic Captains so far was Sabo.

you mean burgess right ?
Well there were plenty of DD pirates opponents.
Otherwise I am sure Zoro could have defeated Burgess too.
BOTH SH & BB will have allies. I am just talking of the main crew match ups & its implications.

--- Double Post Merged, Sep 22, 2017 ---

These battles absolutely will happen
1/ Luffy vs BB
2/ Zoro vs Shiryu
3/ Usopp vs Van Augur (Sniper)
4/ Chopper vs Doctor Q & Stronger (Doctor vs Doctor)

*Predictions:
1/ Nami vs Laffite (Navigator)
2/ Franky vs Burgess (shipwrighter vs helmsman).
3/ Jinbe vs Sanjuan Wolf
Some people say Burgess will fight Jinbei, but the fact he was defeated easily by Sabo, that means he's strong but not as Jinbei's level
4/ Robin vs Vasco Shot "Heavy Drinker"
5/ Sanji vs Avalo Pizzaro "Corrupt King"
I believe Avalo Pizzaro would be the third strongest member, and due to his title "Corrup King" that means he did something very bad in the past like abused woman, kids and raped them, that make him completely opposite to Sanji.
6/ ??? vs Catarina Devon
7/ Brook vs ???
Excluding Trio Monster, I don't see anyone strong enough to fight LV6 beside Robin & Jinbei, maybe Franky too.
As we know, there are a group of Ten Titanic Captains that personally guard Blackbeard. Before timeskip, BB had 10 members under him (include Stronger, the horse), but now he has 10 captains, I think Doctor Q & Stronger are the same team, that means BB got one more captain during timeskip.

With Jinbe's joining, Luffy would have 9 members, but now BB has 10 captains -> there will have a new member. I hope the last member would be Hancock and she will fight Catarina. And Brook will fight BB's 10th captain

Well addition of Jinbei to the crew means we have a new member to the monster trio. He is even stronger than Sanji feat wise.

I agree with that prediction of yours that another new member after jinbei will join the SH . Hopefully that person is also ain league of sanji , jinbei atleast.jinbei,& this new powerful guy would ease lot of burden from monster trio & take SH core crew to the next lvl power wise.

--- Double Post Merged, Sep 22, 2017 ---

Well, I think Brooks will fight Laffite... And Nami will fight Catalina Devon...

nami fighting catalina devon is a very promising thing.
Right now she is nowhere near Devon & one of the weakest SH becoming lvl6 lvl means nami will grow in strength very quickly from here.
Her assist to luffy in his very imp fight against cracker + her tricking zeus & unleashing thunder on BM are good & promising signs for future.

 

[Kato756]

You're right. Sabo is obviously stronger than Jinbei due to his position and his fight with Fujitora.
Sabo defeated Burgess easily but I doubt he could do the same to Jinbei. It would be a hard fight. Remember that even Ace had trouble to fight Jinbe in the past when Ace challenged WB the first time. And when Ace & Jinbe locked in Impel Down, Ace considered him a tough opponent not easy to defeat even his strength at that time, he was strong enought to fight against Aokiji, an admiral, maybe little weaker but not too much. I'm not saying Jinbe is strong enough to be able to defeat an admiral, but I'm quite sure they would have a hard time with him.
Except the time Akainu hurt Jinbe, at that time Jinbe's goal was to ensure the safety for Luffy, he didnt have time to fight back. If not, he would had a hard time with Jinbei.
He is a former Shichibukai, same rank with his captain, BB, before timeskip. Yes, he is not strong as BB even before he got WB's fruit. Burgess seemed the second strongest before LV6 joined, but I don't think he is strong as them. Jinbe is meant to fight LV6 member
http://www.mangareader.net/one-piece/440/15
Even BB said they wouldnt stand a chance against Ace. Ace & Jinbe were the same level at that time, even after 2 years, Burgess got much stronger but I don't see he's strong enough to be equal to Jinbe.

I think that Jinbe is not necessarly strong, but his endurance is by far in the top tiers of OP world. In the crew, I´d put him tied with Zoro (who has as much endurance as plot demands)

--- Double Post Merged, Sep 30, 2017, Original Post Date: Sep 30, 2017 ---

I don't think Sanji v Aokiji will happen. In the Dressrosa arc, we saw the conversation between BB and Burgess. Irrc, either of those two said that they cannot trust Aokiji and also Shiryu. From my point of view Aokiji follows "lazy justice", even though he is lazy he still believes in justice. However, Shiryu is plainly evil. He kills people for fun. So BB pirates is perfectly suitable for him. So the black sheep anong the BB pirate is Aokiji. Aokiji might have joined the BB pirates to take them down from the inside, maybe a deal between him and Akainu? So I believe that Aokiji will die by the hands of BB pirates. Just like Snape and Voldemort scene (Harry potter).

I agree with Zoro v Shiryu (1v1)
Jinbe v Vasco Shot can happen imo
Franky v Alvaro Prezo (idk why)
Brook v Laffite - Brook represented as a Satan but is a good guy. Laffite represented as a angel (white wings) but is evil. Both has cane and is pale as bones.
Sanji v Burgess (with df) (imo)
Chopper v Doc Q and stronger (doctors)
Nami and Robin v Caterina Devon
All v Sanjuan Wolf
Usopp v Van Augur
Luffy v BB

The fight I see SH's lose is the one against Caterina Devon. Lv6 prisoners are no joke and with her getting stronger due to being in the BB pirates, the girls on the SH's side has no way of defeating her. If Carrot or another female member joins and it becomes 3v1, then yes.

Ofc, these might not happen. Robin might not fight at all since she might ve after the poneglyph. The Grand Fleet captains can also take on these commanders.

Another guess of mine is the Franky v Alvaro Prezo matchup. He is not a prisoner from lv6 ID. When the new members of BB crew in Marineford was introduced, he was the only member who wasn't wearing prisoner clothes. When Ivankov gave a list of the dangerous prisoners in lv6, Alvaro Prezo's name wasn't present. So no idea how his powers fare.

I want Giant Mecha Sunny Franky vs Sanjuan XD