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I appreciate the break down, but the point is that Acnologia's feats aren't top-tier dragon worthy.

The Dragon Slayers effortlessly tanked that attack from Acnologia, who had clear and serious intentions to kill them with that move.

There's no mistake about that.


Natsu may be the MC, but Mard Geer casually thrashed him around.

So what's the excuse for Acnologia now?


And Natsu didn't exactly burn Acnologia's magic.

Wendy's enchantments just helped Natsu tank that attack.
Natsu was the only one who got hit by the attack. You can't trick anyone with that lie.

PIS saved Natsu from being decapitated by Acnologias shin bone that would've bounced off his head if Hiro wasn't a bad writer.

Even if Natsu had his power from the slayers. Acnologia would've split him his body in half just like Igneel.
 

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Natsu was the only one who got hit by the attack. You can't trick anyone with that lie.

PIS saved Natsu from being decapitated by Acnologias shin bone that would've bounced off his head if Hiro wasn't a bad writer.

Even if Natsu had his power from the slayers. Acnologia would've split him his body in half just like Igneel.

Wendy enchanted Natsu before he tanked that attack. It isn't a lie.

PIS is not an excuse for all Acnologia's failures. Once again, I don't expect Acnologia to kill any good characters, just like Mard Geer.

But being humiliated for repeating dumb mistakes is an entirely different matter. That is unacceptable for somebody who was hyped to be "top-tier dragon".

And clearly, Acnologia couldn't split anything. Natsu got his power from the slayers, yet Acnologia was still oneshotted.
 

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Wendy enchanted Natsu before he tanked that attack. It isn't a lie.

PIS is not an excuse for all Acnologia's failures. Once again, I don't expect Acnologia to kill any good characters, just like Mard Geer.

But being humiliated for repeating dumb mistakes is an entirely different matter. That is unacceptable for somebody who was hyped to be "top-tier dragon".

And clearly, Acnologia couldn't split anything. Natsu got his power from the slayers, yet Acnologia was still oneshotted.
Yeah it is, thats why its called PIS.

Why didn't Jacob just transport Natsu and Lucy again?
Why didn't Brandish level the city and kill everyone?

He got one shotted because he split, unable to cast magic, and couldn't move. Natsu only beats stationary opponents.
 

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Yeah it is, thats why its called PIS.

Why didn't Jacob just transport Natsu and Lucy again?
Why didn't Brandish level the city and kill everyone?

He got one shotted because he split, unable to cast magic, and couldn't move. Natsu only beats stationary opponents.

We're talking about Acnologia. Not Jacob or Brandish.

PIS doesn't just apply to Acnologia. Most villains get affected by PIS, but the difference is that they don't act as stupid as Acnologia did.

PIS had nothing to do with Christina ramming Acnologia twice. That was entirely his fault.



The reason Acnologia got split in the first place is because he couldn't catch up to Christina. The same airship was the one that rammed him into the timelapse.

If Acnologia destroyed Christina from the start, his soul would never have been split. Again, Acnologia is the only one to blame for that.
 

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We're talking about Acnologia. Not Jacob or Brandish.

PIS doesn't just apply to Acnologia. Most villains get affected by PIS, but the difference is that they don't act as stupid as Acnologia did.

PIS had nothing to do with Christina ramming Acnologia twice. That was entirely his fault.



The reason Acnologia got split in the first place is because he couldn't catch up to Christina. The same airship was the one that rammed him into the timelapse.

If Acnologia destroyed Christina from the start, his soul would never have been split. Again, Acnologia is the only one to blame for that.
If he did, then Erza and Jellal dies, the fans go crazy.

Look it up, Lucy and Erza are the top marketing tools for Fairy tail.
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Acnologia being split was because after consuming a planetary dimension, he became so powerful that reality couldn't register him so he created another version of himself.

Acnologia has the highest fight iq in this story from all the battles of murdering thousands of dragons.
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I think it was stated that Acnologias physical form was retarded or something. That's why Erza and the fodder pulled off what they did.
 

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I know people the power ranking in the Alveraz arc was a mess and the Spriggan 12 should have taken more effort to defeat but I disagree. If Hiro maintained consistent throughout the story with all the characters the difference between Ishgar top tiers and the Spriggan 12 should have been small if not non existent.

With Natsu at this point he would have surpassed his Tenrou Island LDF Mode.


Also with consistency if he retained Laxus power he should have also retained Zancrow and Atlas flame power. Along with Jellals flame of rebuke. He gained these things in a similar way he gained Lightning flame mode.



So from a consistent and logical stand point of view Natsu burning away Zeref Magic was 100% okay. He should have easily been on Spriggan 12 level. However the way Hiro Mashima executed everything was horrible. There was no need for the 1 time Igneel powerup.

The last fight against Zeref would have been more logical to use his Atlas flame power to burn away at Zerefs Magic. His Gods flames to harm Zeref he revered himself a god and his Dragon Force to boost his overall power. Less BS because everything was established over 100 chapters before the fight. Even before the arc itself.


Atleast with Lucy she should have been at minimum Low tier Azir Spriggan 12 level.

Lucy at this point would have been atleast 10x stronger.

At atleast 75% power she can open 10 Zodiac gates without exhausting her power because she then goes on to open 2 more zodiac gates without fatigue.


This Aquarius Feat multiplied by 10 should be similar to Azir Sands of Doom.


Then you have Gemini who can replicate Lucy and her Spirit Keys:

The effects even after the transformation still remains.

Gemini as Gray Chapter 143

Happy still frozen after Gemini Disappears Chapter 145

So from a logical point of view Gemini should still be able to:

1. Summon the CSK themselves via a Gold Key.

2. Create a spare set of Gold Keys for Lucy to use.


Also I now people might say while Lucy isn't smart enough to figure this out. Yet Hiro portrays her as smart enough to rewrite E.N.D book and learn Fairy Heart within minutes.

Among this things you have other things like Combination attacks, Power transfer, etc.

This should have atleast put Lucy among bottom Spriggan 12 Tier Level. Emphasis on the word atleast.

Then you have Minerva who logically should have atleast been around Dimaria level.

Dimaria attack:

Minerva Attack:


Minerva however then got a powerboost in Tartarous:

Her Hax spacial magic was the same as Jacobs:


She can transport people to her private dimension and torture them.


Minerva should have been somewhere close to Dimaria in power from a logical stand point of view.


Then you have Wendy who has Dragon Force and With Enchantments should have atleast been close to Ajeel in power. Probably a little weaker but extremely close.


In Dragon Force her enchantment power should have logically increased and this she could have boosted her own power to be close to Azir in power. She could have increased her Speed, Magical power, Physical strength and Defenses.

Erza should have atleast been Low Spriggan 12 with Nakagami. It is extremely haxxed. It has the power to slice through all magic and an invincible sword.


Again emphasis on the word Atleast.

Not to mention she should currently have no issue wielding 200 Weapons at once since she got SO.



The difference between the Spriggan 12 and Ishgar was exaggerated. Had Hiro remained Consistent throughout the Manga Ishgar wouldn't have been at any disadvantage against Ishagar.
 

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True, put PoF didnt boost Laxus' strength, just gave him an asspull to overcome Wahl's inherent advantage over lightning users. Its like Erza vs Minerva, was Nakagami an asspull? Sure, but Erza was already above Minerva to start with, it didnt raise Erza's power beyond giving her a new powerful finisher.
Wahl was always at Laxus' mercy, the only reason he stayed alive so long was because Laxus needed him to.

For the Laxus vs 6 DS argument, refer to Brandish's comment above.
It didnt boost laxus strenght
Pof boosted gray strength, erza strength and natsu strength. But not laxus:s

That is like saying only reason irene was still in battle because erza allowed her too

Brandish comment is irrelevant. I am not saying cobra is equal to laxus. I am saying laxus is not special
Thus the hype is fake.
His exceptional moment of this arc is equivalent to gray moment and both these moments are dwarfed by erza exceptional moment
So what was the point in the story of laxus casually being able to one hit kill a mage who needed little help to take down one of the strongest mages on good side.
At the end of the story he didnt hold off acono himself. He didnt even do anything to acno human form. Much less acono dragon form.
So why should one bend over back ward to make fan favourite laxus special. When nothing in the story shows it.

Add to the fact that only people laxus could ever one shot causally in this story and those he faced were raven tail. And he didnt kill them causally either.
How could there be more difference between laxus and ajeel as compared to gmg laxus and gmg flare.
Gildart one the strongest good guys fought one of the strongest bad guys with some help.
Erza one of the strongest good guys fought one of the strongest bad guys with help.
Both these fights had similarities. The portrayal clearly shows erza to be still at the top. Which again was backed by erza blowing dragon acono out of the sky. Not gray or gildarts
Yet laxus is soo far above erza that he can one shot someone who can almost take out erza with help.
Why
What is the purpose of this exceptional powerful laxus in the story.

You still believe those people who were saying laxus will extreme low diff erza plus lucy plus wendy
Instead of me who kept on saying dont use ajeel vs erza to measure erza strength due to complexity of the fight.

This is very interesting :s
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You mean the one Gajeel got when Acno stood there and let him hit him. The attack I mentioned 3 posts ago? That I also referenced when I clearly said he's the only person to land a blow once Acno goes on the offensive? Did you miss that, or choose to ignore it the same way you're clearly ignoring the very clear statement made by the General of the Spriggan's himself? The same General who knew that God Serena needed no help against the GOI? I see what he meant. Especially because your clearly unfounded claim about Erza makes no sense. Seeing as Ajeel casually split a Jupiter canon shot with his bare hands. An Laxus almost took him off the field casually. Wahl sent a proxy to help because he felt it was enough. An while he clearly could have introduced it better, Mercury Fulminate was clearly a spell developed in year of training he did. An seeing as it literally blew his body apart it's not much to debate on which technique was stronger. An are you kidding me? Your new defense is that August isn't all there? now that's an asspull. You don't have a leg to stand on with the Erza comparisons anyway bc she is the queen of POF.
Acono being on offensive is irrelevant. He clearly allowed to gajeel to hit him. So why should i believe anything difference for laxus.
Laxus had more ass pull momeng this arc than most of the characters. The bs wahl vs laxus was just koyoka vs erza 2.0

August was wrong simple as that. If not than show feats of laxus that dwarfs erza feats.
I will accept laxus ripping throw human acno as one. Because erza blew dragon acono out of the sky
Or laxus over powering august strongest move. Like erza over powered irene move
Or laxus with help leaving august bloodied like erza with help did leave irene bloodied
 

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Ok, first of all, no character will ever say "I'm going full power now!" just for the sake of readers powerranking them. That's atrocious writing on the author's part since that information can easily be interpreted from the context of the story. We don't need anybody to tell us that.

Secondly, it's quite obvious that Acnologia was "going all out". He's fighting a battle to the death.. any person with basic common sense would fight at all costs to survive at the end. Acnologia must be ridiculously stupid if he was "playing around the entire time".

Which I highly doubt. He had every single intention to win.... the simple fact is that he lost.







Clearly, the dude wanted to kill Natsu and was confident in his own attack...




By my logic, the exceeds and Christina only beat Acnologia in terms of speed.... not everyone else.

The parent dragons have top-tier dragon worthy speed - blitzing Faces across the continent in a matter of seconds.

Acnologia is the one who was pitifully outclassed by mere Cats and Airships.




And I don't know what delay you're talking about..

It was explained rather clearly in the manga. Natsu negated the damage from August's fire pillar because it was a heat-based spell.

It wasn't long after that when Irene came in with her Universe One and messed things up for August.
Who said they have to say that? U can see that anco wasnt using his full power. U know anco wasn't trying to kill them right becuase he need them to stabilize his split form? Hence why he was using hand combat? That a perfect example why he was nerfed.

Yep natsu survived that attack cause of the power up from the 7DS.

Yep but he was able to slays dragons and put fear to the world for centuries which u clearly dismissing.

Yes ur logic is exceed>Christina>anco>every1 cause no1 has show that type of speed in the manga verse.


But those parents dragons got low diff by a slow anco years ago but yet they are till top tier worthy. And ingeel doesn't have any speed feats to back up ur claim.

Cool story tho. But this is what happen http://www.mangareader.net/fairy-tail/489/6
http://www.mangareader.net/fairy-tail/489/7

They even had a battle be4 she casted U1

http://www.mangareader.net/fairy-tail/489/12


So by ur logic august couldn't kill a mere cat and a cana
 
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Who said they have to say that? U can see that anco was using his full power. U know anco wasn't trying to kill them right becuase he need them to stabilize his split form? Hence why he was using hand combat? That a perfect example why he was nerfed.

Yep natsu survived that attack cause of the power up from the 7DS.

Yep but he was able to slays dragons and put fear to the world for centuries which u clearly dismissing.

Yes ur logic is exceed>Christina>anco>every1 cause no1 has show that type of speed in the manga verse.


But those parents dragons got low diff by a slow anco years ago but yet they are till top tier worthy. And ingeel doesn't have any speed feats to back up ur claim.

Cool story tho. But this is what happen http://www.mangareader.net/fairy-tail/489/6
http://www.mangareader.net/fairy-tail/489/7

They even had a battle be4 she casted U1

http://www.mangareader.net/fairy-tail/489/12


So by ur logic august couldn't kill a mere cat and a cana

By the context of the panels, you can tell if somebody is going "full power". Human Acnologia's angry explosion was representative of that. He was trying to kill Natsu and the Dragon Slayers.

He wasn't only using hand-to-hand combat. Natsu was actually able to tank Acnologia's explosion with Wendy's enchantments.

And so what if Natsu got a power up from the 7 DS?? Isn't that how a fight is supposed to work?

Natsu and the DS are there to win, not flex their muscles in front of Acnologia.

The fact is - that's as strong as Human Acnologia will ever get. Acnologia never showed a better feat in his human form.

Again, this is Mashima writing the story. Not me. Acnologia's power has already been canonically proven with actual feats in the manga. And his hype has long since been debunked by the author himself.



Acnologia has Dragon Soul Extraction. With a technique like that, it wouldn't be difficult to slay a bunch of low-tier dragons.

And yes, he's a threat to the world because he is privileged to have a dragon form. But, for a dragon, he still pales in comparison to the "top-tier dragons".



I never said anything about speed = powerranking.

I'm simply pointing out that Acnologia is responsible for his own terrible feats.



And what was the point of posting those panels?

It clearly proves that Natsu's squad only survived from the fire pillar because it is a heat-based spell.

Once again, August and Brandish would have killed Natsu, Lucy, Happy, and Mest had Irene not casted Universe One.

The fought before Universe One was casted, but the fight didn't finish.

Irene interrupted their fight and screwed August/Bloodman in the process.



August could kill Happy and Cana.

It's just that Irene messed him up and screwed Bloodman from killing Gajeel.
 

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Acnologia killed Igneel, so how is he not a top tier dragon?
because story demands it and someone who is using more effort Drawning Boobs than focusing good story progression....so what can you expect???
 

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By the context of the panels, you can tell if somebody is going "full power". Human Acnologia's angry explosion was representative of that. He was trying to kill Natsu and the Dragon Slayers.

He wasn't only using hand-to-hand combat. Natsu was actually able to tank Acnologia's explosion with Wendy's enchantments.

And so what if Natsu got a power up from the 7 DS?? Isn't that how a fight is supposed to work?

Natsu and the DS are there to win, not flex their muscles in front of Acnologia.

The fact is - that's as strong as Human Acnologia will ever get. Acnologia never showed a better feat in his human form.

Again, this is Mashima writing the story. Not me. Acnologia's power has already been canonically proven with actual feats in the manga. And his hype has long since been debunked by the author himself.



Acnologia has Dragon Soul Extraction. With a technique like that, it wouldn't be difficult to slay a bunch of low-tier dragons.

And yes, he's a threat to the world because he is privileged to have a dragon form. But, for a dragon, he still pales in comparison to the "top-tier dragons".



I never said anything about speed = powerranking.

I'm simply pointing out that Acnologia is responsible for his own terrible feats.



And what was the point of posting those panels?

It clearly proves that Natsu's squad only survived from the fire pillar because it is a heat-based spell.

Once again, August and Brandish would have killed Natsu, Lucy, Happy, and Mest had Irene not casted Universe One.

The fought before Universe One was casted, but the fight didn't finish.

Irene interrupted their fight and screwed August/Bloodman in the process.



August could kill Happy and Cana.

It's just that Irene messed him up and screwed Bloodman from killing Gajeel.
I havent followed the entire conversation but i am guessing it is about aconologia under performance.
I will like to mention that most villians in this arc underperformed.
Springgan were hyped to such a huge level but they all underperformed. Just look at wahl vs laxus. Laxus was dieing. And wahl was hyped to be equal to the strongest mage from ishigar. Yet laxus still won.
Jacob vs natsu plus lucy. Somehow javob lost.
Little girls vs dimeria. Another springgan.
And i am still not sure whether zeref with infinit magic is above or below a low tier springgan :teehee

Remember koyoka vs erza. No matter what happened erza still won
Hell even jackal failed to kill any of the good guys. And he makes people explode

Aconologia had to lose. And he couldnt kill anyone because of plot.
I mean look. He killed serena so easily. Yet here he couldnt kill wendy or cobra.

And another question
Who is high tier dragon. Igneel
if you are saying
igneel > aconologia
That i guess is reasonable
Aconologia probably got far because of his soul magic and his immunity to magical attacks.
But metilcana or grandeeni > aconologia wont make sense.

But i also hold that aconologia surviving tartaros arc was plot. There was no reason grandeeni couldnt help igneel put aconologia down.

Do you think atlas flame or mother glare above aconologia.

Do you think august above aconologia
 

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It didnt boost laxus strenght
Pof boosted gray strength, erza strength and natsu strength. But not laxus:s

That is like saying only reason irene was still in battle because erza allowed her too

Brandish comment is irrelevant. I am not saying cobra is equal to laxus. I am saying laxus is not special
Thus the hype is fake.
His exceptional moment of this arc is equivalent to gray moment and both these moments are dwarfed by erza exceptional moment
So what was the point in the story of laxus casually being able to one hit kill a mage who needed little help to take down one of the strongest mages on good side.
At the end of the story he didnt hold off acono himself. He didnt even do anything to acno human form. Much less acono dragon form.
So why should one bend over back ward to make fan favourite laxus special. When nothing in the story shows it.

Add to the fact that only people laxus could ever one shot causally in this story and those he faced were raven tail. And he didnt kill them causally either.
How could there be more difference between laxus and ajeel as compared to gmg laxus and gmg flare.
Gildart one the strongest good guys fought one of the strongest bad guys with some help.
Erza one of the strongest good guys fought one of the strongest bad guys with help.
Both these fights had similarities. The portrayal clearly shows erza to be still at the top. Which again was backed by erza blowing dragon acono out of the sky. Not gray or gildarts
Yet laxus is soo far above erza that he can one shot someone who can almost take out erza with help.
Why
What is the purpose of this exceptional powerful laxus in the story.

You still believe those people who were saying laxus will extreme low diff erza plus lucy plus wendy
Instead of me who kept on saying dont use ajeel vs erza to measure erza strength due to complexity of the fight.

This is very interesting :s
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Acono being on offensive is irrelevant. He clearly allowed to gajeel to hit him. So why should i believe anything difference for laxus.
Laxus had more ass pull momeng this arc than most of the characters. The bs wahl vs laxus was just koyoka vs erza 2.0

August was wrong simple as that. If not than show feats of laxus that dwarfs erza feats.
I will accept laxus ripping throw human acno as one. Because erza blew dragon acono out of the sky
Or laxus over powering august strongest move. Like erza over powered irene move
Or laxus with help leaving august bloodied like erza with help did leave irene bloodied
Because the Manga clearly shows it differently. Laxus made a point of not moving at all during the opening assault and blasting everyone away casually. When Laxus blitzed him we saw his first real reaction. An he then made a point of pulverizing him. An attack with more force than the kick we're supposed to be impressed by Cobra surviving. An August was wrong based on what? He was correct about every other assessment he makes about these mages. He is also the General of the Spriggans based on merit and chosen by Zeref. While he and Irene are clearly comparable. He only acknowledges Laxus and Gildarts. An you are saying that blitzing a cognizant and fighting Acno, who is literally in the middle of a blitz offense of his own, is less impressive than attacking a mindless beast. Which is exactly what his dragon form is. An what asspull moments? Him effortlessly stopping Ajeels attack? That is consistent with every single time Laxus enters an arc since his return to the guild. So is him being able to effortlessly match or demolish an opponent that Natsu and the gang struggle with. (Hades, Raven Tail, Tempest, Ajeel) An he is still one of the only Mages to defeat a Spriggan entirely on his own. Erza had help in all of her matches. So what are you really arguing?
 

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Because the Manga clearly shows it differently. Laxus made a point of not moving at all during the opening assault and blasting everyone away casually. When Laxus blitzed him we saw his first real reaction. An he then made a point of pulverizing him. An attack with more force than the kick we're supposed to be impressed by Cobra surviving. An August was wrong based on what? He was correct about every other assessment he makes about these mages. He is also the General of the Spriggans based on merit and chosen by Zeref. While he and Irene are clearly comparable. He only acknowledges Laxus and Gildarts. An you are saying that blitzing a cognizant and fighting Acno, who is literally in the middle of a blitz offense of his own, is less impressive than attacking a mindless beast. Which is exactly what his dragon form is. An what asspull moments? Him effortlessly stopping Ajeels attack? That is consistent with every single time Laxus enters an arc since his return to the guild. So is him being able to effortlessly match or demolish an opponent that Natsu and the gang struggle with. (Hades, Raven Tail, Tempest, Ajeel) An he is still one of the only Mages to defeat a Spriggan entirely on his own. Erza had help in all of her matches. So what are you really arguing?
What manga showed was that laxus was nothing special. dont believe me, check out laxus fans response to that awesome fight :^_^
Nope the kick seems more strong but i doubt there is a much difference.
August was wrong based on everything, especially laxus feats or lack of them
when did he acknowledge laxus

No i was talking about strength. laxus punch doing nothing to human acno, while erza blew a much stronger version out of the sky
He did stop all ajeel low tier attacks i will give you that.
Lol no they had problem with hades because they had already fought more than even gildarts did that arc, meanwhile laxus was full fresh
Who had problem with fodder raven tail. tempesta only troubled fodders before laxus got there
They only had problem with ajeel because makarov refuse to let them fight
Nope he is the one of those who ass pulled his win against a low tier springgan. gray also soloed a springgan so did natsu
But all this is obviously below going to toes to toes to the strongest like what gildarts and erza did

I am not really arguing. I am just saying laxus wank dropped two decibels because he showed zero performance. People were really hoping that august hype (and laxus training hype) will amount to something and laxus will hold off acono alone for a while to show he is one of the strongest. But without feats he is belowe like of erza and gildarts and natsu . Though gray might be around him
 

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Acnologia killed Igneel, so how is he not a top tier dragon?
Igneel was in a weakened state though. I'm pretty sure a full powered Igneel would have beaten Acno, if we consider their fight during Tartaros.
 

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I havent followed the entire conversation but i am guessing it is about aconologia under performance.
I will like to mention that most villians in this arc underperformed.
Springgan were hyped to such a huge level but they all underperformed. Just look at wahl vs laxus. Laxus was dieing. And wahl was hyped to be equal to the strongest mage from ishigar. Yet laxus still won.
Jacob vs natsu plus lucy. Somehow javob lost.
Little girls vs dimeria. Another springgan.
And i am still not sure whether zeref with infinit magic is above or below a low tier springgan :teehee

Remember koyoka vs erza. No matter what happened erza still won
Hell even jackal failed to kill any of the good guys. And he makes people explode

Aconologia had to lose. And he couldnt kill anyone because of plot.
I mean look. He killed serena so easily. Yet here he couldnt kill wendy or cobra.

And another question
Who is high tier dragon. Igneel
if you are saying
igneel > aconologia
That i guess is reasonable
Aconologia probably got far because of his soul magic and his immunity to magical attacks.
But metilcana or grandeeni > aconologia wont make sense.

But i also hold that aconologia surviving tartaros arc was plot. There was no reason grandeeni couldnt help igneel put aconologia down.

Do you think atlas flame or mother glare above aconologia.

Do you think august above aconologia

And who says I'm defending the Spriggan 12 as a whole?

For the past half year, I've been criticizing the Spriggans for their poor and embarrassing performances. Just like Acnologia, Zeref and most of the Spriggan 12 underperformed miserably in the last arc.



Kyouka actually managed to put Erza down. She didn't make any ridiculous mistake and put up a good fight. That's the difference. You can hardly compare her to Acnologia and the Spriggans.



One last time, Acnologia had to lose. But he didn't have to look like a complete fool in the process.

Serena isn't strong, so I'm not impressed.



Top-tier dragon would be Igneel and possibly some of the parent dragons.

Atlast Flame is a mid-tier dragon. Acnologia and Motherglare are both low-tier dragon. I'll leave you to figure out who's stronger.

And yes, August is stronger than Acnologia.
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Acnologia killed Igneel, so how is he not a top tier dragon?

The more accurate statement would be: Acnologia killed half-dead Igneel.

If Igneel's soul wasn't stolen in the first place, the outcome would likely have been very different. Metalicana implied that Igneel was at a severe disadvantage during Tartaros, so that explains why Acnologia would not be considered a top-tier dragon.
 

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What manga showed was that laxus was nothing special. dont believe me, check out laxus fans response to that awesome fight :^_^
Nope the kick seems more strong but i doubt there is a much difference.
August was wrong based on everything, especially laxus feats or lack of them
when did he acknowledge laxus

No i was talking about strength. laxus punch doing nothing to human acno, while erza blew a much stronger version out of the sky
He did stop all ajeel low tier attacks i will give you that.
Lol no they had problem with hades because they had already fought more than even gildarts did that arc, meanwhile laxus was full fresh
Who had problem with fodder raven tail. tempesta only troubled fodders before laxus got there
They only had problem with ajeel because makarov refuse to let them fight
Nope he is the one of those who ass pulled his win against a low tier springgan. gray also soloed a springgan so did natsu
But all this is obviously below going to toes to toes to the strongest like what gildarts and erza did

I am not really arguing. I am just saying laxus wank dropped two decibels because he showed zero performance. People were really hoping that august hype (and laxus training hype) will amount to something and laxus will hold off acono alone for a while to show he is one of the strongest. But without feats he is belowe like of erza and gildarts and natsu . Though gray might be around him
What Laxus showed gives him great feats. Hence why the majority of fandom ranks him so high. It wasn't as good as it could have been, but he overall has outperformed most characters trough the course of the series Everybody's response was that it was a lackluster fight, because it was.

Seems more strong based on what? The kick was effortless, he slammed Laxus itnto the ground and there was a much larger impact.

Laxus accomplished those techniques that earned the comments, he acknowledged that attack could have killed Ajeel.

Laxus attack used magic which Acno is immune too. Erza hit him with thousands of swords. An again, this is a mindless beast. An she knocked him down, didn't actually cause any damage.

They would have struggled regardless. Makarov is much stronger than they all are. An they were given opportunities to regain magic strength.

Raven Tail defeated Grey outright, tricked Lucy, an out Wendy in the hospital. Laxus no diff the whole guild.

Tenpester went toe to toe with Natsu. Even after he used his LFD he was still in the fight after that assault.

They had problems with him when they met latter which is after Makarov has them create an entire plan with the First to go to way so ‍♂, you reaching.

Gray had Juvia interfere in his fight and got a emotional boost from her sacrifice. Natsu had help with his fights as well. (Not substantial, but he didn't get true one on ones till Gray) An you don't have to like Mercury Fulminate but it's no diff than any other "NEW POWERFUL SPELL" that we've never seen before, and he did just have an entire time-skip devoted to training. So that's a personal gripe. A popular one, but still a gripe. Not an asspull.

His no diff once his Nerf was fixed. Wish he'd have gotten more opponents, but he seldom does. Mashima has already said Laxus is too powerful and it's why he doesn't use him often. An no point having Jellal and Laxus face August if you want Gildarts to beat him. An he still has his showing against Acno. He did survive the fight, and he landed a blow. Weather it got tanked or not, he did blitz him and land it.
 

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What Laxus showed gives him great feats. Hence why the majority of fandom ranks him so high. It wasn't as good as it could have been, but he overall has outperformed most characters trough the course of the series Everybody's response was that it was a lackluster fight, because it was.

Seems more strong based on what? The kick was effortless, he slammed Laxus itnto the ground and there was a much larger impact.

Laxus accomplished those techniques that earned the comments, he acknowledged that attack could have killed Ajeel.

Laxus attack used magic which Acno is immune too. Erza hit him with thousands of swords. An again, this is a mindless beast. An she knocked him down, didn't actually cause any damage.

They would have struggled regardless. Makarov is much stronger than they all are. An they were given opportunities to regain magic strength.

Raven Tail defeated Grey outright, tricked Lucy, an out Wendy in the hospital. Laxus no diff the whole guild.

Tenpester went toe to toe with Natsu. Even after he used his LFD he was still in the fight after that assault.

They had problems with him when they met latter which is after Makarov has them create an entire plan with the First to go to way so ‍♂, you reaching.

Gray had Juvia interfere in his fight and got a emotional boost from her sacrifice. Natsu had help with his fights as well. (Not substantial, but he didn't get true one on ones till Gray) An you don't have to like Mercury Fulminate but it's no diff than any other "NEW POWERFUL SPELL" that we've never seen before, and he did just have an entire time-skip devoted to training. So that's a personal gripe. A popular one, but still a gripe. Not an asspull.

His no diff once his Nerf was fixed. Wish he'd have gotten more opponents, but he seldom does. Mashima has already said Laxus is too powerful and it's why he doesn't use him often. An no point having Jellal and Laxus face August if you want Gildarts to beat him. An he still has his showing against Acno. He did survive the fight, and he landed a blow. Weather it got tanked or not, he did blitz him and land it.
Not really. He is ranked high because of fan hype. Nothing else.

How exactly would the kick show the impact. It was upwards motion.

August is in his bored voice implief the attack would kill him. He never acknowledged laxus. I dont even know if he acknowledged gildarts.

Lol. Both laxus fist and erza swords are physical. And magical. And there was a huge difference. Who cares its a mindless beast. Its above human acno. And the attack looked it damaged him. He looks very uncomfortable arcing like that. And she completely knocked him out of the sky.

Marakrov is not stronger than them lol

Lol. Taven tail only tricks. Tricked gray nothing. Elflmen alone would slaughter that entire guild.

Natsi lfd was too much for tempesta. He would have made short work of him if it wasnt for that water.

Gray and laxus had emotional boost. That why you saw yuri there and mavis talking about friends. No. Laxus didnt know about wahl thus he wouldnt make stupid lightening that will work on wahl. He ass pulled that move at that very moment. And he needed extreme pof to do it. And he also needed wahl to stand still. Again wahl is nothing more that low tier springgan. The difference between wahl and irene or august is pretty much same as gmg rufus and gmg jura.

Lol laxus too strong to write. Sttonger than acno i guess. Lol
Everyone survived the fight. The attack which put already wrecked cobra down put relatively fresh laxus down. Acono allwed him to attack he was completely causal.
And no point having only august and irene top tier. Or mishma could could have had two lacarde like characters too. In gmg arc there was only one jura thus mishma had erza take out two very next strongest after jura one ofter the other
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And who says I'm defending the Spriggan 12 as a whole?

For the past half year, I've been criticizing the Spriggans for their poor and embarrassing performances. Just like Acnologia, Zeref and most of the Spriggan 12 underperformed miserably in the last arc.



Kyouka actually managed to put Erza down. She didn't make any ridiculous mistake and put up a good fight. That's the difference. You can hardly compare her to Acnologia and the Spriggans.



One last time, Acnologia had to lose. But he didn't have to look like a complete fool in the process.

Serena isn't strong, so I'm not impressed.



Top-tier dragon would be Igneel and possibly some of the parent dragons.

Atlast Flame is a mid-tier dragon. Acnologia and Motherglare are both low-tier dragon. I'll leave you to figure out who's stronger.

And yes, August is stronger than Acnologia.
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The more accurate statement would be: Acnologia killed half-dead Igneel.

If Igneel's soul wasn't stolen in the first place, the outcome would likely have been very different. Metalicana implied that Igneel was at a severe disadvantage during Tartaros, so that explains why Acnologia would not be considered a top-tier dragon.
Ok
But dont you think springgans are stronger than likes of mard or hades.

Koyoka hax should have allowed her to put the entire guild down causally. But plot forced her to lose. Same happened with springgans. Transport time stop all stopped by stupid plots.

He had to because the mishma was hurrying through the story. Instead of exploring demonification and dragonization or one magic, mishma was just using one shot gallore

You think serena is weaker than cobra too?

If they are top tier why didnt they kill of acono in tartaros arc. Or 400 years ago. There is a huge difference between top tier and low tier

I thought atlas flame was scared of end and acono. I might be wrong. Motherglare has to be on the same tier as atlas flame. They pretty much went toe to toe. But why would atlas flame be above acono. What did he achieve. We cant scale motherglare with others because motherglare never performed against anyone else.

How is august stronger than aconologia. Both aconologia and august has same time of hax. Being immune to magic. But unlike acono august doesnt seems to pack a punch

What do you think mishma thinks of acono? You think he made acono weak on purpose or something.
 

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Ok
But dont you think springgans are stronger than likes of mard or hades.

Koyoka hax should have allowed her to put the entire guild down causally. But plot forced her to lose. Same happened with springgans. Transport time stop all stopped by stupid plots.

He had to because the mishma was hurrying through the story. Instead of exploring demonification and dragonization or one magic, mishma was just using one shot gallore

You think serena is weaker than cobra too?

If they are top tier why didnt they kill of acono in tartaros arc. Or 400 years ago. There is a huge difference between top tier and low tier

I thought atlas flame was scared of end and acono. I might be wrong. Motherglare has to be on the same tier as atlas flame. They pretty much went toe to toe. But why would atlas flame be above acono. What did he achieve. We cant scale motherglare with others because motherglare never performed against anyone else.

How is august stronger than aconologia. Both aconologia and august has same time of hax. Being immune to magic. But unlike acono august doesnt seems to pack a punch

What do you think mishma thinks of acono? You think he made acono weak on purpose or something.

I depends on which Spriggans you are talking about. If you're referring to the average power level of the entire Spriggan 12, then I think Mard and Hades are far stronger.


Obviously plot forced Kyouka to lose, but she didn't repeatedly make foolish mistakes. Jacob having his Transport stopped wasn't bad. What was bad were his "virgin eyes".


Well, Cobra tanked the same hands from Human Acnologia that God Serena couldn't.. so I'll leave you to figure out what I think.


Again, I never said Acnologia was a low-tier character. I said he was a low-tier dragon. That's a huge difference there.


Atlas Flame was scared of Acnologia because the dude could extract his soul. On an even level playing field, Atlas Flame's feats easily trumps Acnologia's.


August can technically cancel all of Acnologia's magic spells. Then he can vaporize Acnologia along with Magnolia.


Mashima doesn't think anything of Acnologia... Acnologia just has poor feats, plain and simple.
 

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Even if Igneel was weakened without a soul, Acnologia still managed to kill him. I don't see how Atlas Flame was stronger than Acnologia. Natsu, with Atlas' power wasn't able to slay Motherglare. Acnologia was able to slay multiple dragons 400 years ago, including one that almost killed Natsu in dragon cry.

As far as Acnologia vs August goes. Acnologia cannot be harmed by magic, and August is not immune to any holder magic. Acnologia would eat all of August's magic, and just bite him in half. Acnologia was able to survive the space between time, which should have been impossible to escape. It took the magical power of everyone on the whole continent to restrain him. Even that would have been temporary since Fairy Sphere does not last forever. It took Natsu defeating his mind to actually kill him, and Natsu had the magical power of all the dragon slayers - not to mention Natsu managed to defeat Zeref with Fairy Heart. So even if you say Acnologia is stupid, he's strong enough to plow through anything with brute strength and raw power unless you have Fairy Sphere backed up with the magic power of all of Ishgar. Acnologia has the best feats of any villain.
 
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