Sorry, I will risk lynching by not revealing my role in this phase. Your little play has been rather entertaining, so I'll give you credit for that for sure. But I'm not divulging anything further about my role until you're food for the crows.
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But you're bringing nothing to the table this phase... and if you have no more information, you couldn't possibly have any more until another Night Phase passes.
You will not get to night phase if you do not give us something. Why should we leave you alive when you won't give up the others? You're not planning to win with them anyway. There will only be more chaos if we're still trying to find Mafia. You can prove you're at least willing to follow through by giving up your team, letting us kill them and then we focus on orange. We can't have a single red besides you alive at night willingly.
So, either I die now or I die when I stop naming red mafia. Well in THAAAT case...
I've been clear with my intentions. You guys just keep asking for more and more.
And do you seriously mean to tell me that out of the 15 people left here there no more orange or 3rd parties?.... And that once I help lynch every other red mafia member that you'll just leave me alive to help find them? I just handed you guys 2 mafia members and an extra day phase and you're already looking to lynch me again.
And you have brought?.... What exactly? BS role hints and heavy opposition to lynching orange mafia?
So, either I die now or I die when I stop naming red mafia. Well in THAAAT case...
I've been clear with my intentions. You guys just keep asking for more and more.
And do you seriously mean to tell me that out of the 15 people left here there no more orange or 3rd parties?.... And that once I help lynch every other red mafia member that you'll just leave me alive to help find them? I just handed you guys 2 mafia members and an extra day phase and you're already looking to lynch me again.
There should be 1 or 2 more orange I think, but you don't know who they are. We can't afford to potentially lynch townie in the process so we need to use your team as scape until night where you actually become useful. There would be no need to kill you whole you're useful
I don't know if that says anything about Gry other than faulty thinking. He's expecting one of the Mafia to kill Daws tonight, preventing a Townie death. It could happen, but what if Daws survives and brings more confusion to the next day phase? He's proven he's useful, but as a Mafia Lover with no clear allegiance he can't be expected to be sincere going forward. In fact, anyone who would expect that is a fool really.
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So simply "ignoring" anyone left alive at lategame MG is legit impossible, especially if they are known to have privileged information.
I cant believe people would think van is spiteful enough to rat on his last member because he was pissed at the other for ratting.
If this is the case...i dont know how much i would want to pkay with them again...but i dont think it is the case.
Its so fucking crazy plot they got going to save their last member.
I cant believe people would think van is spiteful enough to rat on his last member because he was pissed at the other for ratting.
If this is the case...i dont know how much i would want to pkay with them again...but i dont think it is the case.
Its so fucking crazy plot they got going to save their last member.
Well, Daws suggested people not lynch you, despite what Vandred says. But he still refuses to be clear about it. I guess we should just keep him around with our thumb up our asses?
And you have brought?.... What exactly? BS role hints and heavy opposition to lynching orange mafia?
So, either I die now or I die when I stop naming red mafia. Well in THAAAT case...
I've been clear with my intentions. You guys just keep asking for more and more.
And do you seriously mean to tell me that out of the 15 people left here there no more orange or 3rd parties?.... And that once I help lynch every other red mafia member that you'll just leave me alive to help find them? I just handed you guys 2 mafia members and an extra day phase and you're already looking to lynch me again.
Daws, you should clearly think out your options. As it stands, all factions including your lover are against you. If you're not giving us something, it will be used as excuse to lynch you and tbh, I will agree with it
I don't know if that says anything about Gry other than faulty thinking. He's expecting one of the Mafia to kill Daws tonight, preventing a Townie death. It could happen, but what if Daws survives and brings more confusion to the next day phase? He's proven he's useful, but as a Mafia Lover with no clear allegiance he can't be expected to be sincere going forward. In fact, anyone who would expect that is a fool really.
Why is it faulty thinking? It is literally their best course of action. Oranges would want to lynch Daws instead of having to use their kill for it, so I'm currently wary of everyone pushing for killing Daws.
In the what if scenario where he lives that 1 more night we can either genkidama or lynch. But I am for letting him live longer.
Meanwhile I'm not falling for gnut's attempt. Vandred seemed pretty defeated and giving up, so I will believe gnut being their final other member. If he isn't, then great, we lost an investigator and they lost 2 mafia to kill gnut.
And there being 5 mafias on the reds is impossible imo unless someone was recruited last night. But then there'd be even less of a reason to sacrifice Vandred..
And of course I don't expect Daws to help us out. He's in a very weird spot right now, though I would believe Vandred more than him.
Just because asia block you and a mafia says you are spy....by far it does not clear you...
Where is your night 2 results...let me guess...it was on someone inactive
Lmao. Not clear me? Even had nobody confirmed anything for me I was so obviously pro-town since day 1. You're desperate if you're trying to paint me as mafia at this point. And I'm not letting you go nightkill me next night.
Already told you, I got no results in any of my nights.
Bullshit. The results of such plot could easily be achieved without sacrificing Vandred and perhaps screwing up 1 more townie other than gnut. Let's just kill gnut, that will confirm our current status with the red mafia. If we kill Daws we still don't know how many of them are still left and we will never understand what their "grand plan" was.
Either that or start claiming roles. I don't buy the "it's pointless for me to reveal" words. If everyone claimed something we would be far better off. And even if you come with a bunch of detective results or whatever later, I will most definitely not believe you.
That you was towards gary, but fits for Holt and others as well.
Why is it faulty thinking? It is literally their best course of action. Oranges would want to lynch Daws instead of having to use their kill for it, so I'm currently wary of everyone pushing for killing Daws.
The Red Mafia is weaker at this point presumably, yes? We have Daws who is all but confirmed and gnut as a claim. Why would the Orange mafia push to kill Daws during the day when he's still creating so much confusion with the simplest of things?
I understand your point about it being convenient for Orange side if they can kill Townies, but why does it matter how this is done? Red side will still do this as well as long as they aren't eliminated. Keeping Daws around is counter-productive to this end.
But why? Because he's in a weird spot of his own creation? I can appreciate the spirit of YOLO going on here, but there's no rhyme or reason to this from my standpoint. Like gnut said, why would Vandred sell out presumably loyal teammates after getting fucked over by Daws, a disloyal one? You're not getting back at Daws by doing this, are you? No.
Actually, I'm just gonna go ahead and lock my vote.
!votelock gnut
If after reading everything most of you still decide to go for Daws I won't mind it too much, even though I think it's a huge waste. We will be left without any leads whatsoever in the next days, with the remaining mafia(if we ever get them to claim anything) further confusing us with detectives or other crap, as well as losing a townie through the lover thing.
If we lynch gnut and he's really a townie, then congratulations, they wasted 2 mafia lives to accomplish basically nothing at all. As stupid as this whole "mafia fell apart" thing is, them taking such a bad trade is even more stupid.
There should be 1 or 2 more orange I think, but you don't know who they are. We can't afford to potentially lynch townie in the process so we need to use your team as scape until night where you actually become useful. There would be no need to kill you whole you're useful
If you want me to use my investigations to assist in finding orange mafia then at least give me a night to investigate. Until then, there's other people that need our attention. Like, @xi0 and @desin24 . One, has been fighting me quite hard as of late, just like I have been try to lynch orange mafia, both of them have shared next to nothing about themselves. This is baring in mind the fact that we already have a few living, high-value townies/trusted players.
If after reading everything most of you still decide to go for Daws I won't mind it too much, even though I think it's a huge waste. We will be left without any leads whatsoever in the next days, with the remaining mafia(if we ever get them to claim anything) further confusing us with detectives or other crap, as well as losing a townie through the lover thing.
The Red Mafia is weaker at this point presumably, yes? We have Daws who is all but confirmed and gnut as a claim. Why would the Orange mafia push to kill Daws during the day when he's still creating so much confusion with the simplest of things?
I understand your point about it being convenient for Orange side if they can kill Townies, but why does it matter how this is done? Red side will still do this as well as long as they aren't eliminated. Keeping Daws around is counter-productive to this end.
But why? Because he's in a weird spot of his own creation? I can appreciate the spirit of YOLO going on here, but there's no rhyme or reason to this from my standpoint. Like gnut said, why would Vandred sell out presumably loyal teammates after getting fucked over by Daws, a disloyal one? You're not getting back at Daws by doing this, are you? No.
Exactly....gry is so for daws living but killing me...makes no sense.
Ask aulq is he willing to die along with daws or keep daws alive to kill and potentially kill a townie...me?
But why? Because he's in a weird spot of his own creation? I can appreciate the spirit of YOLO going on here, but there's no rhyme or reason to this from my standpoint. Like gnut said, why would Vandred sell out presumably loyal teammates after getting fucked over by Daws, a disloyal one? You're not getting back at Daws by doing this, are you? No.
Because it just makes a lot less sense that they made something completely pointless like that with such a bad tradeoff, than Vandred giving up. I recall we killed Kato due to not being able to move forward while he's alive, same thing will be with gnut once Daws is dead, he will go back into the background and we will be nowhere again. The masons fail and it's gg at that point probably.
Actually, I'm just gonna go ahead and lock my vote.
!votelock gnut
If after reading everything most of you still decide to go for Daws I won't mind it too much, even though I think it's a huge waste. We will be left without any leads whatsoever in the next days, with the remaining mafia(if we ever get them to claim anything) further confusing us with detectives or other crap, as well as losing a townie through the lover thing.
If we lynch gnut and he's really a townie, then congratulations, they wasted 2 mafia lives to accomplish basically nothing at all. As stupid as this whole "mafia fell apart" thing is, them taking such a bad trade is even more stupid.
If you want me to use my investigations to assist in finding orange mafia then at least give me a night to investigate. Until then, there's other people that need our attention. Like, @xi0 and @desin24 . One, has been fighting me quite hard as of late, just like I have been try to lynch orange mafia, both of them have shared next to nothing about themselves. This is baring in mind the fact that we already have a few living, high-value townies/trusted players.
Why do you refuse to answer any of my questions? Was Vandred lying about gnut or not? Where was my BS role hints and heavy opposition to lynching orange mafia?
It seems to me that you've run out of useful information so you're just making shit up now and hoping it passes. Feel free to prove me wrong though.
NO he isn't, wtf Gary? We know he's mafia, and he is making no input which impacts us at all right now. What is he doing that confuses you? He's not selling us any weird stories, he's just kind of there, hoping to get another night to investigate.
Exactly....gry is so for daws living but killing me...makes no sense.
Ask aulq is he willing to die along with daws or keep daws alive to kill and potentially kill a townie...me?
