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[Spirit]

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Player Actions Report

Spoiler: Day One

Politician - Farfalla > Force MonkeyD-Dragon to vote Demonspeed >> Success

Spoiler: Night One

Priority 1

Barkeeper - Kato756 > Invite TSPanda, Farfalla, Brandish > Brandish is redirected to Erinyes

Prostitute - MonkeyD-Dragon > Block SonOfDaws >> Success
Mafia Escort - goodboy_lawlett > Block GrySun >> Success


Priority 2

Sane Det - Erinyes > Investigate Farfalla >> Innocent
Insane Det - Purity of Magi > Investigate TSPanda >> Guilty
Paranoid Det - Qixus > Investigate GrySun > Guilty

Sane Doctor - SonOfDaws > Protect Farfalla > Blocked
Bodyguard - GrySun > Protect TSPanda >> Blocked


Priority 3

Recruiting Mason - gnut > Recruit Farfalla >> Success

Insane Doctor (killing) - Organizized > Kill TSPanda >> Coin flip failed >>> Dies before he can kill
Mafia Janitor - Lambu > Kill Organizized >> Organizized dies

Spoiler: Day Two

Mafia Gambler - Brandish > Force desin24 to vote Purity of Magi >> Coin flip failed >>> desin24 can't be killed by the mafia on Night Two

Spoiler: Night Two

Priority 1

Barkeeper - Kato756 > Invite TSPanda , Farfalla, Arjuna >> Farfalla reveals her role

Prostitute - MonkeyD-Dragon > Block Farfalla >> Success
Mafia Escort - goodboy_lawlett > Block Zasz >> Success


Priority 2

Sane Det - Erinyes > Investigate GrySun >> Innocent
Insane Det - Purity of Magi > Investigate GrySun >> Guilty
Paranoid Det - Qixus > Investigate SonOfDaws >> Guilty

Sane Doctor - SonOfDaws > Save TSPanda >> Success
Bodyguard - GrySun > Protect TSPanda >> Success


Priority 3

Mafia Pirate - Arjuna > Steal from GrySun >> Success

Recruiting Mason - gnut > Recruit TSPanda >> gnut dies

Mafia Janitor - Lambu > Kill SonOfDaws > SonOfDaws dies


Extra:

TSPanda passes the Non-Voter Disease to Erinyes

Spoiler: Night Three

Priority 1

Prostitute - MonkeyD-Dragon > Block Lambu >> Coin flip won >>> Success
Mafia Escort - goodboy_lawlett > Block MonkeyD-Dragon >> Fails


Priority 2

Sane Det - Erinyes > Investigate TSPanda >> Innocent
Insane Det - Purity of Magi > Investigate Arjuna >> Innocent
Naive Det - Qixus > Investigate Arjuna >> Innocent

Bodyguard - Arjuna > Protect Purity of Magi >> Success


Priority 3

Mafia Janitor - Lambu > Kill Monkey D-Dragon >> Blocked


Extra:

Erinyes passes the Non-Voter Disease to Lambu

Spoiler: Night Four

Priority 1

Prostitute - MonkeyD-Dragon > Block Lambu >> Success


Priority 2

Sane Det - Erinyes > Investigate MonkeyD-Dragon >> Innocent
Insane Det - Purity of Magi > Investigate Lambu >> Innocent
Naive Det - Qixus > Investigate Farfalla >> Innocent


Priority 3

Mafia Escort - goodboy_lawlett > Kill Farfalla >> Farfalla dies


Extra:

Lambu passes the Non-Voter Disease to TSPanda

Spoiler: Day Five

Traitor - Holt > Duel Purity of Magi >> Coin flip won >>> Purity of Magi dies

Spoiler: Night Five

Priority 1

Prostitute - MonkeyD-Dragon > Block Holt >> Success
Mafia Escort - goodboy_lawlett > Block Holt >> Recruited


Priority 2

Sane Det - Erinyes > Investigate desin24 >> Innocent

Santa Claus (temporary) - desin24 > Protect MonkeyD-Dragon >> Success


Priority 3

Mafia Boss - TSPanda >> GrySun >>> GrySun dies


Extra:

MonkeyD-Dragon protects himself with his Bulletproof Protection

TSPanda passes the Non-Voter Disease to Zasz

Player Roles

1. @goodboy_lawlett - Tsukiyama Mafia Escort
2. @Purity of Magi - Kanou Insane Detective
3. @SonOfDaws - Arima Sane Doctor
4. @Mazino - Yamori Restless Spirit
5. @Organizized - Owl Insane Doctor
6. @Brandish - Kaneki Mafia Gambler
7. @Kato756 - Ayato Bar Keeper
8. @Farfalla - Eto Politician > Mason >> Miller >>> Martyr
9. @Demonspeed - Touka Death Miller
10. @desin24 - Hinami Witch
11. @Lambu - Amon Mafia Janitor
12. @MonkeyD-Dragon - Nishiki Prostitute
13. @gnut - Furuta Recruiting Mason
14. @Zasz - Rize Bomb
15. @Holt - Yomo Traitor > Mafia Member
16. @TSPanda - Mutsuki Mafia Boss
17. @Erinyes - Akira Sane Detective
18. @Qixus - Saiko Paranoid Detective > Naive Detective
19. @Arjuna - Tatara Mafia Pirate > Bodyguard
20. @GrySun - Shirazu Bodyguard > Regular Townie >> Martyr

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Tarot Card Triggers

Spoiler

1. Sane Detective

The Tower​

- 3+ dead players have their role hidden by the Janitor: gets a single use of the Investigator's ability.
- 3+ townies are lynched: won't be able to vote on the next day.

2. Insane Detective

The Sun​

- A player he investigates is killed on the same night: immediately gets to know the actions that were used on that player like a Mortician.
- 3+ townies are lynched: needs to win a coin flip every time he tries to investigate someone or his target will be randomized.

3. Paranoid Detective

The Wheel of Fortune​

- The Sane Detective and the Insane Detective are both dead: turns into a Sane Detective, with a retroactive effect on his previous investigations.
- A player he investigates is killed on the same night: unknowingly turns into a Naive Detective.

4. Sane Doctor

The Moon​

- Successfully saves a townie from death: his protection won't work on mafia members anymore.
- Successfully saves a mafia member from death: won't be able to save anyone else until that same mafia member is dead.

5. Insane Doctor

The Chariot​

- Kills a townie: 50% fail chance to protect or kill someone at night (turns into "Unskilled" Insane Doc).
- Kills a mafia: loses the ability to protect and can only kill at night (turns into a "Townie" Serial Killer).

6. Bodyguard

The Stars​

- 3+ townie targets: he will be confirmed as a townie on the second next Day Phase (like an Innocent Child).
- 2+ mafia targets: unknowingly turns into a Hider.

7. Prostitute

Justice​

- 1+ mafia action blocked: gets a temporary Bulletproof protection to use on herself for one night.
- 3+ townie townie actions blocked: she gets automatically redirected to a random target whenever she tries to block a player.

8. Barkeeper

The Magician​

- Every time a drunk mafia reveals his role: also reveals the activation conditions and effects of that player's Tarot abilities.
- Every time a drunk townie's ability which would have produced a meaningful result gets blocked or redirected to a useless or harmful target: he won't be able to use his ability on the next night.

9. Politician

The Emperor​

- 3+ force someone to vote for a mafia member: becomes a Prosecutor.
- 3+ force someone to vote for a townie: 50% fail chance to corrupt a vote (like a Mafia Gambler).

10. Bomb

The Lovers​

- Still alive at the start of Day 5: will blow up the next mafia who targets him with any night action (that isn't a defusing).
- 2+ successfully targeted with a night action before the end of Night 4: will blow up the next mafia or townie who targets him with any night action (that isn't a defusing).

11. Witch

The Empress​

- Still alive at the start of Day 5: she will obtain a temporary Santa Claus present she can only give on the next night, containing a single-use Bulletproof protection for the same night (could have just said she gets a single-use Sane Doctor's ability...).
- Less than 50% of the votes that lead to the Witch getting lynched come from mafia members: her ability will take place one night earlier if her target is a townie or one night later if her victim is a mafia member.

12. Restless Spirit

The Devil​

- Killed by a townie or lynched: his ability will count for two votes instead of one.
- Dies and votes for a mafia member who gets lynched on the same day: he will come back to life as a Regular Townie at the start of the next Day Phase.

13. Recruiting Mason

Death​

- 3+ Regular Masons alive at the same time: becomes a Kamikaze Bomb with the timer set to zero.
- 1+ Mason dies: 50% fail chance to recruit another player (turns into "Unskilled" Recruiting Mason).

14. Death Miller

The Hanged Man​

- Investigated by a Detective: 50% chance to kill anyone who targets him with any night action until he kills someone (like an "Unskilled" Paranoid Gun Owner).
- Kill a townie with the unlocked ability: won't be able to vote on the next day.

15. Traitor

The Hierophant​

- Not recruited by the start of Day 4: can duel a player like a Badass Cowboy once with a 50% chance to kill or be killed. The duel is secret and only the dead duelist is revealed. Loses the chance to use the ability is he gets recruited.
- Recruited 3 or less other mafia members alive: gets a single use of the role of one of the dead mafia members. If he chooses the Pirate, he can only choose the role he died with (so either Pirate if he hadn't stolen anything, or the role the Pirate had stolen).


16. Mafia Boss

Temperance​

- Investigated by a Detective: can infect someone with a Non-Voter Disease which will be passed around for the rest of the game, but can only do it on the following night.
- Survived a Day phase with 4+ non-penalty votes on him: the only targets available to be mafia-killed for the following night will be those who voted for him.

17. Mafia Escort

Judgement​

- 3+ townie actions blocked: all her next blocks will also reveal the target of the player she blocks (like a Spy).
- 2+ blocks on townies who didn't use any action: 50% fail chance to block someone again turns into "Unskilled" Mafia Escort).

18. Mafia Janitor

The Hermit​

- 3+ townies killed by the Janitor: gets a single use of a Strongman's ability.
- Gets lynched: also reveals all the targets of his teammates' actions, but neither the actions themselves nor the night or day phase when they were performed.

19. Mafia Gambler

The High Priestess​

- 3+ successful gambles: automatically win the coin flip to use his ability (like a Politician).
- Every time a mafia member is lynched: won't be able to gamble on the next day.

20. Mafia Pirate

Strength​

- Steal a passive role: gets a single use of a Bomb Defuser's ability.
- Remains as the last member of his mafia: gets a single use of an Assassin's ability.


21. Regular Townie

The World​

- 1+ mafia gets lynched after the player became a Regular Townie: gains the role of Martyr.
- 2+ townies get lynched after the player became a Regular Townie: unknowingly becomes a Miller.


0. Regular Mason

The Fool​

- 2+ mafia members get lynched after the player became a Regular Mason: becomes a Martyr.
- Loses an active role by being recruited: unknowingly becomes a Miller.

Thanks to Vandred for Cohosting and contributing largely to the soon to be infamous Tarot Card System.
Thanks to Farfalla for designing our Avatars.
Thanks to everybody for playing the game and making things interesting

MVP: Panda who came up with literal code talk. BAMF.

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[Copy Panda]

Me and farf were the first to point it out. Death miller can be a big problem in having us make mistakes because our basis of him being a mafia could be wrong. You‘re probably right in us thinking about it so long being detrimental but idk. A lot points towards it. Nobody saving him, him claiming a useless role for town, no tarot effects being activated...

Would someone not green save mafia day 1? I don't think so. If Demon ends up dying later anyway, that person indicated themselves too.
Would he tell us he had an important role only to die right after, when there was no /real/ reason for him to die (-> someone else could have died)
If no tarot cards were activated, and Demon is mafia, then everyone who voted for him must be mafia since their cards didn't activate?

Yeah, Death Miller can be a problem, but it's mostly a huge distraction. Not a single thing changes about the fact that there are at least 3/4 more mafia out there, and if the game doesn't end when we kill 3/4 more, it's not like we're just gonna twiddle our thumbs waiting for the Day Phase to end, clueless about what is going on. Acknowledging the possibility is one thing, spending a whole phase doing so seems like a massive time sink. Given Farfalla's disposition, between you and her, I'd say she's more suspicious for keeping it going (though, I barely suspect either of you compared to some others... sigh). Might be entirely possible the two of you are having a blast keeping this senseless discussion going and distracting us all from everything else.

This Death Miller issue and the want to reveal cards are just nonsensical. We can't resolve the former no matter what, and we won't be able to use the card information anyway until a card is activated. I just don't get the need to spend this much time on these two topics.

Sigh.....
Instead of looking for an actual evidence about the mafia most of the day is gone about discussing whether Demon is a Deathmiller or not (not that it matters right now) and why I voted last second.

Lets try to take a better course, does anyone have ANY new info that might be of use ?

Dude stop being a free rider and produce relevant content yourself if it's that much of an issue. However useless it might be in the end, we're still trying to advance townie game state by posting answers instead of complaints

 

[Kato756]

!votekill Brandish

Inactive and a likely mafia if demon is dm

And would you look at that, the person that did not post a lot and even LIKED the post about him having zero posts today now votes on the other "lead" in votes.

Brandish being more and more suspect

Also in story he fucked my sister withouth asking me and thats not in the bro code

 

[GrySun]

I'll votekill Arjuna for now. I'd rather vote for a suspect (even if Arjuna isn't a strong one) than not.



Yea I'm not the only inactive... What's the probability of demon being death miller??

Idk, 50%? Your vote last day was very fishy. You said you did it because you had no time to read everything, but you voted on the person with most votes on him...

 

[Copy Panda]

Gry and Farf keep saying 'if this happens, then Demon is DM' while I'm seriously failing to see why this would even be close to being the case.

Just because he didn't plead for his life when he had no reason to, he's potentially a DM if someone else is mafia?

I don't even see why it matters if he's DM or not since we have to 1.) kill all mafia anyway and 2.) there are enough other mafia members to target.The stuff about the cards makes no sense either, since if he's mafia, everyone should have gotten their cards activated, and if he's DM, either everyone who voted for him is town, mafia activated their cards already or, 'the most unlikely of all options' (making sure it's clear that's sarcasm), it's harder to activate cards than we thought it would be. Which seems the most likely thing since no one got their card activated.

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Idk, 50%? Your vote last day was very fishy. You said you did it because you had no time to read everything, but you voted on the person with most votes on him...

This too. I'm not pleading for Brandish here, but if you're short on time, you haven't read and you have to cast a vote, why would you cast an uninformed vote on a random? Why not just contribute to what could lead to your card activating?

Doesn't that make much more sense than the relatively meaningless conjecture on cards and millers?

 

[Kato756]

I will keep my vote on Arjuna. Pretty certain he is mafia, however I wouldn't mind to add Maz or Qixus, since they will mostly get hostkilled anyway.

Randi is the other guy that gave me some iffy vibes also, if I may say. However, for now he is at least here unlike some people...

--- Double Post Merged, Oct 15, 2017, Original Post Date: Oct 15, 2017 ---

Also after this whole convo thing, I'm starting to suspect Gry also. So yeah, just saying. Not that it would matter anyway, but so you know~

--- Double Post Merged, Oct 15, 2017 ---

I wouldn't mind meme killing Zasz also. *shrugs*

I do find Arjuna suspicios, but I think Brand is a bit more

 

[Brandish μ]

Idk, 50%? Your vote last day was very fishy. You said you did it because you had no time to read everything, but you voted on the person with most votes on him...

50%? Is there usually as many death millers as there are mafia?

Eh, I didn't have time.

 

[Farfalla]

Just ignore the DM thing for now. I said that getting another scum could help us understand about Demon, even if it's further. It is relevant cause the town lost games in the past when they ignored DMs and Sleepers and got surprised by numbers. It's not crucial now so we don't have to keep dragging this...

 

[Erinyes]

i have no clue, i have to cast a vote before the end of the day was considering voting quixus but seems (s)he may be hostkilled so, ill go for now for holt he seems way too discreet, but may totally change my vote if theres any new infos.


Votekill Holt

 

[MonkeyD-Dragon]

Well to quote about the cards....

Each Tarot has an Upright and a Reverse effect which get triggered by the player performing or being subject to certain actions.

we probably didn't fulfill the certain actions in day 1. So there are 2 things on my mind :
1-We killed a DM in Demon (I find this unlikely).
Or
2-We need to kill a certain number of mafia in order to get our effects. This seems more likely because the mafia know how to activate their own cards, which might be killing a certain number of townies. This way it will be a race to whoever reaches the certain number of deaths on the other side first.

 

[Copy Panda]

Well you say for now but the phase is almost over, so I'll just point out that from a game mechanic point of view, Millers serve as a distraction but the amount of mafia members left are left unchanged. It's not like member x can now slip under the radar because a Miller died. Townie in fact can't lose over this misconception because the game ends when a win condition is met, not when the players think it's been met.

That being said, Desin is still suspect to me, Arjun and Zasz are being stupidly suspect. Brand to me is simply afk and uninformed, Lawl and Mago are either both trolling or both mafia, Farf, Gry (and me I guess) spent a day arguing over hypotheticals it feels.

All things considered, bad day.

 

[GrySun]

Gry and Farf keep saying 'if this happens, then Demon is DM' while I'm seriously failing to see why this would even be close to being the case.

Just because he didn't plead for his life when he had no reason to, he's potentially a DM if someone else is mafia?

I don't even see why it matters if he's DM or not since we have to 1.) kill all mafia anyway and 2.) there are enough other mafia members to target.The stuff about the cards makes no sense either, since if he's mafia, everyone should have gotten their cards activated, and if he's DM, either everyone who voted for him is town, mafia activated their cards already or, 'the most unlikely of all options' (making sure it's clear that's sarcasm), it's harder to activate cards than we thought it would be. Which seems the most likely thing since no one got their card activated.

--- Double Post Merged, Oct 15, 2017, Original Post Date: Oct 15, 2017 ---

This too. I'm not pleading for Brandish here, but if you're short on time, you haven't read and you have to cast a vote, why would you cast an uninformed vote on a random? Why not just contribute to what could lead to your card activating?

Doesn't that make much more sense than the relatively meaningless conjecture on cards and millers?

Even if we were both mafia I doubt I could ever get her to have a go at it talking stuff at day. Though it would be hilarious.

Him being DM or not changes which way we want to look to find the mafias. Brandish voting the way he did is suspicious and if he is mafia and there is only 1 mafia then demon is DM.
Whereas for Monkey if he voted on his own and he is mafia demon is very likely DM.
So it does matter in helping us decide who we lynch.

And that is a weak defense for Brandish. If he is short on time he wouldn‘t know anything about tarots, and stacking his vote on top of the most voted guy only because he is most voted is very mafia. If anything you‘d make a random vote so you don‘t get penalized but you also don‘t disturb the ones who read everything. Imagine demon proving himself to be town somehow and people wanting to switch off, but his vote is still there making it harder.

--- Double Post Merged, Oct 15, 2017 ---

50%? Is there usually as many death millers as there are mafia?

Eh, I didn't have time.

He‘s either mafia or not, so 50%.

Idk Brandish you seemed like you wanted to play and had time before it started, this is rather disappointing now.

 

[Purity of Magi]

I do find Arjuna suspicios, but I think Brand is a bit more

Ah well. Honestly, for now.. I guess I will give him (Randi) the benefit of the doubts. If he didn't had time to play today which lead him to this inactivity, I'm fine with that. Of course that doesn't mean my vibes goes away from him, but at least he is here unlike some people. xd

 

[GrySun]

Also @TSPanda I voted on demon and I know for myself to be town, yet no tarot effect activated. If he was mafia I should have gotten upright, if he was dm I should‘ve gotten reverse effect. I got neither. And the hosts said if you help/hinder your team you get the effects, and lynching a mafia or dm is definitely one of the two.

So it‘s almost certain that the conditions are something else entirely or different for every individual. And it just so happens lynching a townie/mafia was not part of neither of us 5‘s conditions.

 

[Farfalla]

Well you say for now but the phase is almost over, so I'll just point out that from a game mechanic point of view, Millers serve as a distraction but the amount of mafia members left are left unchanged.

I didn't mean "for now but before the game ends", I meant it's early in the game to get obsessed.
It doesn't matter if the numbers remain unchanged. What happened in the other game is that we killed a DM, assumed incorrectly the amount of mafia, including the DM as one, and that contributed to people making very reckless and hushed decisions on lynchings and the likes.

I don't think we should go for an inactive person yet, btw, they might very well get hostkilled anyway (say Mazino and Qixus). Plus, if anything, we have inconsistent people like Arjuna to pressure.

 

[Copy Panda]

Even if we were both mafia I doubt I could ever get her to have a go at it talking stuff at day. Though it would be hilarious.

Him being DM or not changes which way we want to look to find the mafias. Brandish voting the way he did is suspicious and if he is mafia and there is only 1 mafia then demon is DM.
Whereas for Monkey if he voted on his own and he is mafia demon is very likely DM.
So it does matter in helping us decide who we lynch.

And that is a weak defense for Brandish. If he is short on time he wouldn‘t know anything about tarots, and stacking his vote on top of the most voted guy only because he is most voted is very mafia. If anything you‘d make a random vote so you don‘t get penalized but you also don‘t disturb the ones who read everything. Imagine demon proving himself to be town somehow and people wanting to switch off, but his vote is still there making it harder.

I just don't get that argument. Like Farf, it's like you're so sure he's DM, it's serves as proof and foundation for every other argument you're making.

Again, why would the last minute vote of someone uninformed make it likely Demon is DM? By democratic process, we decided that Demon should be the one to die. How could it be wrong to join that decision made by town?

I 100% agree, obviously, that him being in fact a DM means we have to make different assumptions, but not only is there no reason to believe he's DM, there's no way for us to find out either.

For Farf, someone else turning out to be mafia was plenty to make her believe Demon is DM. For you, someone's last minute lazy voting, the safest bet, the one target you wouldn't have to explain afterwards (because, I find it harder to believe he voted randomly than that he wanted to avoid voting for fellow mafia), is both suspicious and reason to believe he's DM.

The two of you... Something is not right

 

[Brandish μ]

He‘s either mafia or not, so 50%.

Tell me, from your experience, what is the 'general' ratio between a DM and mafia member? 1:1 = 50%

Having 2 options doesn't mean the likelihood is 50%. This is what I mainly disagree with re:current DM discussion, is that the possibility is being hyped more than it seems to be. I certainly will agree we have to consider the possibility... but 50%?

Maybe you guys have been scarred from not looking at the DM possibility before.

Idk Brandish you seemed like you wanted to play and had time before it started, this is rather disappointing now.

This is true. I was away for the most part of D1 though... I didn't attend the staff Slack channel yesterday for example (was on here a little bit).

 

[gnut]

Idk, 50%? Your vote last day was very fishy. You said you did it because you had no time to read everything, but you voted on the person with most votes on him...

Yes this....arjuna maybe innocent afterall

 

[Holt]

Panda I didn't say anything yet
Erin, discreet in what way actually?
BTW Van, think you missed my vote...

 

[Copy Panda]

Also @TSPanda I voted on demon and I know for myself to be town, yet no tarot effect activated. If he was mafia I should have gotten upright, if he was dm I should‘ve gotten reverse effect. I got neither. And the hosts said if you help/hinder your team you get the effects, and lynching a mafia or dm is definitely one of the two.

So it‘s almost certain that the conditions are something else entirely or different for every individual. And it just so happens lynching a townie/mafia was not part of neither of us 5‘s conditions.

Lol it occurred to me that if he's mafia, it would make sense for your card not to activate if you were a fellow mafia member. That is to say, if you want everyone to believe you're town while your card didn't change, Demon would also have to be town. And the only way for a mafia member to be town, is if he's outed to be a Miller.

Something you and Farf spent a whole day entertaining.

I'm not liking this Gry tan

 

[Farfalla]

For Farf, someone else turning out to be mafia was plenty to make her believe Demon is DM.

'Cause my first post about it was saying that people seemed to be letting the fact that Demon died as a DM to be used as a no-go for Brandish, Misho and Monkey, I said that the death of those as a scum could provide us with more insights.
Later on, while discussing things over and over with Gry, I did fuck up and said that if Monkey was mafia, then Demon was a DM, which is unrelated =-= But in an ego fight, I didn't want to admit it. Fine, there you have it.