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Omg Lambu doing god's work, this will help so much, especially of day 2 later. :wtf
Yeah, now is when I get brutally killed for being too talkative , ironic if you ask me :XD

...:emocat

As things stand, I'm not sure who to vote for. Niichan has this cocky "Can't touch me" playstyle that makes me think je might be a Bomb, or a Mafia Bomb. It's a bit like Magi bit then again different.

I voted Erin yesterday as a logical play but I wasn't really committed to it anyway. Empty immediately following up with a vote on her too was wierd, since in my experience new players don't really jump on bandwagons unless they are sizeable.

Then there is Vandred who is so adamantly defending niichan. As a townie, just how much of a reason would he have to do so?

For me my vote will be one of these three. Subject to change depending on what happens.
Yeah Vandred defending niichan is weird, I get the point of testing dets on nii but thats actually useless if he's not mafia and we dont know that for sure. :oh

The thing is I dont think Vandred and niichan are mafia buddies simply because there was a big clash of intentions between them in D1, one surely wanted Spriggan dead and the other surely wanted him alive.

As niichan's incrimination comes from Spriggan's case, if he is indeed mafia I dont see how is Vandred in his side. Its kind of a very simple logic, but strong.

I still hope niichan defends himself tomorrow, if it comes to it he should reveal his role or something but not die without leaving anything behind. Now if he doesnt defend I'll assume he's mafia and start focusing on other people, this day has been quite straight visioned so far.

Going to sleep now guys, I'll be back before the day ends. ;)
 

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Yeah Vandred defending niichan is weird, I get the point of testing dets on nii but thats actually useless if he's not mafia and we dont know that for sure. :oh
I can't even tell if you guys are being serious anymore...

I'm not saying that we should have Dets investigate him and then judge whether to lynch him or not based on their results. I'm saying that if they investigate him tonight, all our Dets will be able to know their sanity when niichan will get lynched tomorrow and they'll be able to see his role (or killed tonight, ideally, but that might not be possible).

Whether he's townie, mafia, Mafia Boss, third party - that doesn't matter, because we have a player that we've decided needs to die, and we'll be able to know his true role when he dies. Either we just kill him off today, or we delay his death for as little as possible to get something useful out of it. That's all I've been suggesting...
 

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But why focus all of the dets on one already highly suspicious target? They could instead focus on other players instead of blindsiding all of them for niichan. And anyway, once the Dets do confirm their sanity even if niichan isn't Mafia, they would need to act on that knowledge, and become ripe targets for the scum.
 

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Ok, sorry I have been so inactive - been mad busy today (also making this post has taken fudging ages [and I am only on post 300 so far - 2am, work tomorrow... :emocat)

Wanted to go through every post to make a list of what people have been saying which may be important (spoilered below - as it is pretty hefty), but wondering if I am safe in the following assumptions

Bombs, Witch, Restless Spirit, Jesus and Vengeful Townies can play pretty loosely later on – less bad if die.

Freeman and Burden likely not to post much, due to huge detriment to team if killed.

Hider, Sleeper, Paranoid Gun Owner and Traitor may also play pretty loosely from the start – less fear if annoy Mafia members.

Still not sure which specific roles people have, dunno what kind of clues people could give, outside of the following...

Anyway the big wall of text - will add to it when/if have time tomorrow

Not all necessarily suspect, just things I found could be useful as I don't know how you guys play yet (maybe someone of you will pick up some hints from this?)

The numbers next to the points are the post number - to make it easy to find again later

Possibly 7 Mafia members, or 2 groups of 4? - 71
Possible death note kill on 1st night, so 1 group of 7 Mafia members?
However, as Vandred points out, can (probably) be kept within Mafia group, if bounced around, 7 mafia with a constant death note seems somewhat OP...
Maybe Town started with note, so didn't want to kill someone with it? - 101
though there is a 'punishment' for not using - maybe an autovote?
Note still around, would probably have been told if a killed player had it.

7 seems massive to me, however.

Lovers in game – due to theme relevance? (dunno theme, so no call here) - 78

Ignored BS about 'I'm innocent' or 'I've had thiss role before'

GrySun

Pretty sure realise xnut was joking about demon, as super early in game and no reasons given for proposition – 63
Proposes lynching non-active players, but doesn't do this during voting phase – 77
States Spriggan and EmptySoul quick voted on someone with no reason – 123
EmptySoul replies that would have voted even before WYIS's post – 137
Organizized asks why EmptySoul would have voted that way – 138
EmptySoul says it was going with her gut? - 140
Organizized doesn't press issue - 141
Offers Lambu to give hints on role, in return for hints on Lambu's – 149
Lambu refuses to give hints at this stage, due to it being 'a dumb move when nobody has the intention to do so' – 203
Says it's odd that Spriggan appears to be giving up before most members voted - 178
Vandred agrees, says not first time townie killed for trolling, but could be in town's favour – 204
Vote on Emperor Spriggan – assumes Mafia that has given up. States recent votekills may be Mafia trying to save them. Wishes had response, but no other real suspect – 209
Says EmptySoul also did similar bad defence, but didn't appear to give up – 209
niichan says that it isn't wise to make such a statement so early in the game, as may be 2nd Mafia and that voting for or against Spriggan 'doesn't prove anything' as bandwagonning may make them appear innocent (says is offering this advice to 'newbies' and not specifically to GrySun, but is surprised GrySun is saying this 'as an experienced player') – 221
GrySun says it's useful to consider the possibilities the next day, in case he doesn't survive the night. Calls out both niichan and gnut for being 'jumpy' when we haven't even seen Emperor Spriggan's role yet – jokes they may be Mafia and already know Spriggan's role. - 228
niichan says he only wanted to add that saying that everyone who didn't vote for Emperor Spriggan was suspicious (and that most likely the Mafia members were amongst them) was overly simplistic – says he has seen GrySun state the exact opposite thing in previous games – 238
gnut agrees with niichan and says that it's pointless to ask Spriggan to reveal his role when he already knows he is going to be lynched, and so saying people who don't vote for him are suspicious is an odd thing to do – 223
States he is likely being memed by hosts with this role and will likely kill himself with it sooner or later (if true, Timed Bomb?) - 209
Hoped for Mafias to kill each other – to confirm that there are 2 Mafia groups – 267
Says either gnut or niichan is mafia – both were jumping on him for his comments on people voting for Spriggan and that they would only do that if they knew Spriggan would be Mafia – 279
He says it has to be niichan as gnut made a lot of hints, which he rarely does if town – and that he also suspected niichan at the start – 279
Says niichan said next to nothing when trying to defend Spriggan, then voted for EmptySoul to try and 'pull votes to him' – 279
niichan tries to defend himself by stating that if he wanted to protect Spriggan, why would he do it one hour before he was likely to be killed off anyway? And that had he wanted to switch people to EmptySoul he'd have tried to frame him as Mafia more strongly, rather than saying he was worried that Spriggan may be a bomb – 291
GrySun says that nothing pointed towards him being a bomb and that it was a ridiculous reason if he thought Spriggan was Mafia – 300
He wonders why so few people voted for him, when he literally put 2 gifs of laughter and posts about how we should look forward to our defeat – 300
Votes for niichan – reasons given above – calls it such an obvious misplay and calls gnut to do it also - 300

Demonspeed
Vote on syx – joke vote – 64

Emperor Spriggan

Vote on syx – not bolded (but still counted), no reasons given – 75
syx calls Emperor Spriggan up on this and asks for reasons – 158

gnut
Jokes about killing niichan – 80
vote on Spirit – states jumping on bandwagon (after just saying how disliked people jumping on Emperor Spriggan train), but also didn't trust either who voted on erin – 206
Calls out 'uncomfortable post' of niichan – 206
Says he has 'old role which he hadn't had before', but not Mafia – 208
Says GrySun can 'take my vote however you want' and that even if Spriggan Mafia, it doesn't clear those who voted for them – 215
Reminds GrySun that he said there may be 2 Mafias – 215
GrySun replies that because of 2 Mafias, even more reason to want to try and save one of their own – 217
States EmptySoul also didn't defend themselves when suspected, but calls GrySun out for not questioning them, like he did for Emperor Spriggan – 223
MonkeyD-Dragon jumps in to tell gnut that he justified his vote on Emperor Spriggan earlier and didn't just 'jump' on the Spriggan train [even though it appeared gnut was replying to GrySun and not MonkeyD-Dragon – 224
gnut calls MonkeyD-Dragon up on this, stating wasn't questioning his vote, that he did also jump on a bandwagon, and again asks why GrySun isn't going after MonkeyD-Dragon or EmptySoul for a similar reason – 227
MonkeyD-Dragon replies that he did give his reasoning already and that the 'i'm innocent' defence is a really bad one when called up for acting suspiciously - 233
GrySun says that the reason he isn't is because they both have such low numbers that it wouldn't make sense to try and save them indirectly. That he questioned EmptySoul already and stated why he picked Spriggan over him. - 228
Wonders why xnut, EmptySoul and MonkeyD-Dragon all like Organizized's post about EmptySoul being relatively safe due to Spriggan being so heavily suspected – 229
MonkeyD-Dragon replies it was nothing due to that, but purely due to romance (Organizized watching a film with his wife) – 230
xnut gives a similar reason, unrelated to game – 232
Vote for MonkeyD-Dragon – no reason's given – 243
Calls out me for 'hiding behind my ignorance of the game' – 243
I remind him that I am not ignorance to the game as a whole, just some of the specific roles – 253
Gives out a hint that his character is a real estate agent – 'part of their job is his role' – 249
Asks if Emperor Spriggan has any last words before they are killed – 251
States he thinks niichan and Vandred may possibly be behind Demonspeed's death – 283
Vandred asks, as a joke, if gnut thinks he trollkilled Demonspeed – 298


Arjuna

Vote on Demonspeed – joke vote – 118
Receives 2 penalty votes for breaking rules and editing post (though appears innocent enough mistake) – 160
Demonspeed says can undelete, but GrySun says wait for Panda – 163 + 164
Says we should focus on inactive's who aren't drawing much attention to themselves – like Elusia, who can be focussed – 289
MarmaladeSky says Elusia may be not posting much due to timezone issues – but that the point is solid – 290
Arjuna says that in previous DP (?) she barely drew attention to herself - 292

WYIS

Vote on Erinyes – no reasons given – 120
Says he would like to look at Kato – that he only said the role he got was bad, but that it was an ok cover story for a Mafia member - 285

EmptySoul
Vote on Erinyes – no reasons given - 121

Belserion
Vote on Emperor Spriggan – in response to them saying they just bandwagoned popular opinion – 150
States Mafia had note last night and that it appears they still have it (due to 2nd chapter text) - 274

Vandred

Vote on Emperor Spriggan – says hint is that not mafia isn't useful and that they should post something more useful instead. - 154
Says due to the information in Chapter 2, it's more plausible that there is only a single Mafia and that a Mafia member is holding the note (can't use regular night kill but can use note instead). But then ssayss he still thinks it's more likely that there are 2 Mafias than one and a lot of Serial Killers/Mentors/Santas – 277
Says if the note allowed a Mafia group to perform too kills a night, passing it amongst their members, it would be far too strong to have 2 Mafia groups in this game (3 kills per night). He suspects Mafia group low in number – however states more likely that 2 Mafia groups than 1 – 298
He states we should focus our attention on only 1 or 2 people every day and asks niichan who he thinks - 298

MonkeyD-Dragon
Vote on Emperor Spriggan – states suspicious behaviour and no attempt at defence – 157
Says Erinyes's summaries are a good way to review what we already know – 170
Jokes about voting for either Zasz or Elusia (?) - 195

Elusia
Vote on DiMaria Yesta – for inactivity – 179

Kato756
vote on Zasz – joke vote – 180

syx
says no idea who to vote for, but lack of time – 'gut says votekill Emperor Spriggan', not due to vote on himself with no explanation, but because “his play would fuck up everyone” - 187
Vote on Emperor Spriggan – posts his previous post as a reason - 216

Zasz
vote on Elusia – states it's random, but justifies it due to lack of posting – 190

Lady pompom
Vote on Vandred – joke vote – 200
Says she doesn't like her role – 211
Says role isn't useless, just that she doesn't like it as 'not sure how to use it properly' – 219
Thinks there are 2 Mafias, one killed off the detective, whilst a townie probably used the Death Note to kill Demonspeed – 280
desin24 asks how a mafia could aim at a specific role on the first night and that the death of Demonspeed was more likely due to trying to take out skilled players, to more easily hide behind inactive ones – 284


Organizized
Vote on EmptySoul due to bad reaction to being voted for – states similar reasons could be given for voting for Emperor Spriggan – 202
EmptySoul calls out Organizized saying he is 'making a mistake' – 210
Says EmptySoul will have to convince him of innocence and states that they are safe due to 'Emperor Spriggan' - 214

Lambu
Calls out DiMaria Yesta, Griffindor and desin24 for lack of posts – 203
Votes for niichan – no reason given other than not wanting to be last person to vote for Emperor Spriggan – 254
Says Emperor Spriggan screams 'Bomb' – 254
Says, from the plot, they can deduce that there's one Mafia which made a kill with the note and another with their abilities. Or there are 2 Mafias that killed one townie each and that the note was blocked (or something?). Or that a Mafia killed as normal and a Townie killed with the note, but that this doesn't make sense if we believe OP post about 'bad guys having the note' (so they deem thi unlikely) – 297
States we should start talking about roles, indirectly. They know being secretive is a good tool, but it could be fatal (as in DBZ game?) - 297
Says their role is active and has appeared in one of the games they have played, but isn't useful at the moment - 297

Erinyes
Writes summary about what people claimed about their roles (states Emperor Spriggan pleaded 'innocent', kato756 'disappointed', syx 'innocent', WYIS 'passive') – 205
vote on xnut – random vote – 205

MarmaladeSky
Vote on Elusia – joke vote – 207

EmptySoul
Laughs at Emperor Spriggan being ganged up on and states that not think they are Mafia – though states 'I could be wrong though' – 210

Gryffindor
Says can see why people suspect Emperor Spriggan. Suspects Elusia and Niichan also – 220
Vote for niichan – says it is due to a gut feeling – that niichan has a 'confidence vibe' – 255
States other candidates were Elusia, due to newbie status misdirection, and Emperor Spriggan, for low tier gif trolling and not answering inquiries - 255

niichan
States that GrySun was the first one to point out that Emperor Spriggan was suspicious [due to voting for someone with no reason given?] - calls this potentially a 'great Mafia move' as it would generate trust due to him 'already knowing that Spriggan's going to turn out as Mafia' – 221
States Emperor Spriggan is quite fishy and may get his vote as well – 221
Either that or someone inactive – as that group annoys him due to not putting in any time to something they have already signed up for – 221
Vote for EmptySoul – says as suspicious as Emperor Spriggan and feels like potential newbie Mafia. Is voting for someone inactive, which is a pointless action and what Mafia members commonly do. It isn't a danger to do so, as doesn't want to be last person to vote for Spriggan, in case they are a bomb – 226
EmptySoul calls niichan up on this vote and asks exactly what he has done which makes him as suspicious as Emperor Spriggan – 246
Says he thinks the Mafia may have the note, but that if so they can only do one kill. With this in mind, he says it is more likely that there is a 2nd Mafia out there – or an insane doctor, or mb (Mafia Bomb?) or townie with a note – 296
Says annoyed that blue and pink truths aren't facts also and that his deductions weren't easy because of that - 296

xnut
Vote for GrySun – no reason given – 225
states that 'Spriggan slipped up' but isn't sure if Mafia or not – 225

Belserion
Says we should lynch Emperor Spriggan – and that he is 95% sure he's Mafia - 247

desin24
Says only had 2 kills during the night (and not three), so chance of only one mafia and possibly a couple of third parties – 268
GrySun reminds desin24 about the Death Note – 269
desin24 says they suspected 3 deaths due to the death note and points out it may have fallen to an inactive player – 271
MarmaladeSky says it is logical to assume only 1 group of mafia and that the 2nd death was due to the Death Note, unless holder of Note decided not to use it – 272
WYIS asks how it is logical to assume that – 273
MarmaladeSky says 1 death per night Mafia + 1 death from Death Note, unless Note was in the hands of a Townie who made a mistake – 275
Vandred says it's possible, but points out that there are numerous ways to die during the night, even without being targetted by Mafias or third parties. Also that there are many ways Mafia kills can fail – 277
Vandred also states that it is impossible that someone forgot to/didn't use the Death Note, as they would have suffered a penalty - 277
WYIS says that one of the Mafia killers could have been blocked - 276
received a punishment vote for not posting enough – day 1
received another punishment vote for not casting a vote – day 1
Doesn't believe that Demonspeed was a mafia kill – stating that he was one of the most suspicious players in the game and that killing him was detrimental to the mafia cause, unless they believed he could be a 2nd Mafia member – 286
WYIS agrees but asks about Organizized – 287
gnut says it may be a troll killing - 288


DiMaria Yesta
received a punishment vote for not posting enough – day 1
received another punishment vote for not casting a vote – day 1
 

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I find it funny that ever since my first mafia game here, me and WYIS always end up trying to kill each other at some point in the game XD
 

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But why focus all of the dets on one already highly suspicious target? They could instead focus on other players instead of blindsiding all of them for niichan. And anyway, once the Dets do confirm their sanity even if niichan isn't Mafia, they would need to act on that knowledge, and become ripe targets for the scum.
Spirit, remember the Dragon Ball game where you became a confirmed Daytime Vigilante? The first thing Dets were told to do was to investigate you in order to have a reliable starting point for figuring out their sanity. Without such information, they would have to get lucky and wait for one of their targets to eventually die before being able to tell whether they're Sane, Insane or useless. While also not dying themselves in the meantime.

It's the same thing here, with the exception that the presence of the Note could mess with results even more, for instance if a townie is investigated on the night they were holding it, or if a townie happens to give it to a non-townie who then gets investigated and gets a good excuse.

We even already lost a Detective, and for all we know there could only be one or two left. Don't you think it could be useful for the town to provide our Dets with such information? I say it's worth a shot, at the very least. And one can agree or disagree about it being a good idea, but I really fail to see how this move could help non-townies in any way.


Not sure about what you mean with that last sentence, though. Dets accumulating knowledge in order to eventually act on it is the very point of the Det role. :huh


Ok, sorry I have been so inactive - been mad busy today (also making this post has taken fudging ages [and I am only on post 300 so far - 2am, work tomorrow... :emocat)

Wanted to go through every post to make a list of what people have been saying which may be important (spoilered below - as it is pretty hefty), but wondering if I am safe in the following assumptions

Bombs, Witch, Restless Spirit, Jesus and Vengeful Townies can play pretty loosely later on – less bad if die.

Freeman and Burden likely not to post much, due to huge detriment to team if killed.

Hider, Sleeper, Paranoid Gun Owner and Traitor may also play pretty loosely from the start – less fear if annoy Mafia members.

Still not sure which specific roles people have, dunno what kind of clues people could give, outside of the following...

Anyway the big wall of text - will add to it when/if have time tomorrow

Not all necessarily suspect, just things I found could be useful as I don't know how you guys play yet (maybe someone of you will pick up some hints from this?)

The numbers next to the points are the post number - to make it easy to find again later

Possibly 7 Mafia members, or 2 groups of 4? - 71
Possible death note kill on 1st night, so 1 group of 7 Mafia members?
However, as Vandred points out, can (probably) be kept within Mafia group, if bounced around, 7 mafia with a constant death note seems somewhat OP...
Maybe Town started with note, so didn't want to kill someone with it? - 101
though there is a 'punishment' for not using - maybe an autovote?
Note still around, would probably have been told if a killed player had it.

7 seems massive to me, however.

Lovers in game – due to theme relevance? (dunno theme, so no call here) - 78

Ignored BS about 'I'm innocent' or 'I've had thiss role before'

GrySun

Pretty sure realise xnut was joking about demon, as super early in game and no reasons given for proposition – 63
Proposes lynching non-active players, but doesn't do this during voting phase – 77
States Spriggan and EmptySoul quick voted on someone with no reason – 123
EmptySoul replies that would have voted even before WYIS's post – 137
Organizized asks why EmptySoul would have voted that way – 138
EmptySoul says it was going with her gut? - 140
Organizized doesn't press issue - 141
Offers Lambu to give hints on role, in return for hints on Lambu's – 149
Lambu refuses to give hints at this stage, due to it being 'a dumb move when nobody has the intention to do so' – 203
Says it's odd that Spriggan appears to be giving up before most members voted - 178
Vandred agrees, says not first time townie killed for trolling, but could be in town's favour – 204
Vote on Emperor Spriggan – assumes Mafia that has given up. States recent votekills may be Mafia trying to save them. Wishes had response, but no other real suspect – 209
Says EmptySoul also did similar bad defence, but didn't appear to give up – 209
niichan says that it isn't wise to make such a statement so early in the game, as may be 2nd Mafia and that voting for or against Spriggan 'doesn't prove anything' as bandwagonning may make them appear innocent (says is offering this advice to 'newbies' and not specifically to GrySun, but is surprised GrySun is saying this 'as an experienced player') – 221
GrySun says it's useful to consider the possibilities the next day, in case he doesn't survive the night. Calls out both niichan and gnut for being 'jumpy' when we haven't even seen Emperor Spriggan's role yet – jokes they may be Mafia and already know Spriggan's role. - 228
niichan says he only wanted to add that saying that everyone who didn't vote for Emperor Spriggan was suspicious (and that most likely the Mafia members were amongst them) was overly simplistic – says he has seen GrySun state the exact opposite thing in previous games – 238
gnut agrees with niichan and says that it's pointless to ask Spriggan to reveal his role when he already knows he is going to be lynched, and so saying people who don't vote for him are suspicious is an odd thing to do – 223
States he is likely being memed by hosts with this role and will likely kill himself with it sooner or later (if true, Timed Bomb?) - 209
Hoped for Mafias to kill each other – to confirm that there are 2 Mafia groups – 267
Says either gnut or niichan is mafia – both were jumping on him for his comments on people voting for Spriggan and that they would only do that if they knew Spriggan would be Mafia – 279
He says it has to be niichan as gnut made a lot of hints, which he rarely does if town – and that he also suspected niichan at the start – 279
Says niichan said next to nothing when trying to defend Spriggan, then voted for EmptySoul to try and 'pull votes to him' – 279
niichan tries to defend himself by stating that if he wanted to protect Spriggan, why would he do it one hour before he was likely to be killed off anyway? And that had he wanted to switch people to EmptySoul he'd have tried to frame him as Mafia more strongly, rather than saying he was worried that Spriggan may be a bomb – 291
GrySun says that nothing pointed towards him being a bomb and that it was a ridiculous reason if he thought Spriggan was Mafia – 300
He wonders why so few people voted for him, when he literally put 2 gifs of laughter and posts about how we should look forward to our defeat – 300
Votes for niichan – reasons given above – calls it such an obvious misplay and calls gnut to do it also - 300

Demonspeed
Vote on syx – joke vote – 64

Emperor Spriggan

Vote on syx – not bolded (but still counted), no reasons given – 75
syx calls Emperor Spriggan up on this and asks for reasons – 158

gnut
Jokes about killing niichan – 80
vote on Spirit – states jumping on bandwagon (after just saying how disliked people jumping on Emperor Spriggan train), but also didn't trust either who voted on erin – 206
Calls out 'uncomfortable post' of niichan – 206
Says he has 'old role which he hadn't had before', but not Mafia – 208
Says GrySun can 'take my vote however you want' and that even if Spriggan Mafia, it doesn't clear those who voted for them – 215
Reminds GrySun that he said there may be 2 Mafias – 215
GrySun replies that because of 2 Mafias, even more reason to want to try and save one of their own – 217
States EmptySoul also didn't defend themselves when suspected, but calls GrySun out for not questioning them, like he did for Emperor Spriggan – 223
MonkeyD-Dragon jumps in to tell gnut that he justified his vote on Emperor Spriggan earlier and didn't just 'jump' on the Spriggan train [even though it appeared gnut was replying to GrySun and not MonkeyD-Dragon – 224
gnut calls MonkeyD-Dragon up on this, stating wasn't questioning his vote, that he did also jump on a bandwagon, and again asks why GrySun isn't going after MonkeyD-Dragon or EmptySoul for a similar reason – 227
MonkeyD-Dragon replies that he did give his reasoning already and that the 'i'm innocent' defence is a really bad one when called up for acting suspiciously - 233
GrySun says that the reason he isn't is because they both have such low numbers that it wouldn't make sense to try and save them indirectly. That he questioned EmptySoul already and stated why he picked Spriggan over him. - 228
Wonders why xnut, EmptySoul and MonkeyD-Dragon all like Organizized's post about EmptySoul being relatively safe due to Spriggan being so heavily suspected – 229
MonkeyD-Dragon replies it was nothing due to that, but purely due to romance (Organizized watching a film with his wife) – 230
xnut gives a similar reason, unrelated to game – 232
Vote for MonkeyD-Dragon – no reason's given – 243
Calls out me for 'hiding behind my ignorance of the game' – 243
I remind him that I am not ignorance to the game as a whole, just some of the specific roles – 253
Gives out a hint that his character is a real estate agent – 'part of their job is his role' – 249
Asks if Emperor Spriggan has any last words before they are killed – 251
States he thinks niichan and Vandred may possibly be behind Demonspeed's death – 283
Vandred asks, as a joke, if gnut thinks he trollkilled Demonspeed – 298


Arjuna

Vote on Demonspeed – joke vote – 118
Receives 2 penalty votes for breaking rules and editing post (though appears innocent enough mistake) – 160
Demonspeed says can undelete, but GrySun says wait for Panda – 163 + 164
Says we should focus on inactive's who aren't drawing much attention to themselves – like Elusia, who can be focussed – 289
MarmaladeSky says Elusia may be not posting much due to timezone issues – but that the point is solid – 290
Arjuna says that in previous DP (?) she barely drew attention to herself - 292

WYIS

Vote on Erinyes – no reasons given – 120
Says he would like to look at Kato – that he only said the role he got was bad, but that it was an ok cover story for a Mafia member - 285

EmptySoul
Vote on Erinyes – no reasons given - 121

Belserion
Vote on Emperor Spriggan – in response to them saying they just bandwagoned popular opinion – 150
States Mafia had note last night and that it appears they still have it (due to 2nd chapter text) - 274

Vandred

Vote on Emperor Spriggan – says hint is that not mafia isn't useful and that they should post something more useful instead. - 154
Says due to the information in Chapter 2, it's more plausible that there is only a single Mafia and that a Mafia member is holding the note (can't use regular night kill but can use note instead). But then ssayss he still thinks it's more likely that there are 2 Mafias than one and a lot of Serial Killers/Mentors/Santas – 277
Says if the note allowed a Mafia group to perform too kills a night, passing it amongst their members, it would be far too strong to have 2 Mafia groups in this game (3 kills per night). He suspects Mafia group low in number – however states more likely that 2 Mafia groups than 1 – 298
He states we should focus our attention on only 1 or 2 people every day and asks niichan who he thinks - 298

MonkeyD-Dragon
Vote on Emperor Spriggan – states suspicious behaviour and no attempt at defence – 157
Says Erinyes's summaries are a good way to review what we already know – 170
Jokes about voting for either Zasz or Elusia (?) - 195

Elusia
Vote on DiMaria Yesta – for inactivity – 179

Kato756
vote on Zasz – joke vote – 180

syx
says no idea who to vote for, but lack of time – 'gut says votekill Emperor Spriggan', not due to vote on himself with no explanation, but because “his play would fuck up everyone” - 187
Vote on Emperor Spriggan – posts his previous post as a reason - 216

Zasz
vote on Elusia – states it's random, but justifies it due to lack of posting – 190

Lady pompom
Vote on Vandred – joke vote – 200
Says she doesn't like her role – 211
Says role isn't useless, just that she doesn't like it as 'not sure how to use it properly' – 219
Thinks there are 2 Mafias, one killed off the detective, whilst a townie probably used the Death Note to kill Demonspeed – 280
desin24 asks how a mafia could aim at a specific role on the first night and that the death of Demonspeed was more likely due to trying to take out skilled players, to more easily hide behind inactive ones – 284


Organizized
Vote on EmptySoul due to bad reaction to being voted for – states similar reasons could be given for voting for Emperor Spriggan – 202
EmptySoul calls out Organizized saying he is 'making a mistake' – 210
Says EmptySoul will have to convince him of innocence and states that they are safe due to 'Emperor Spriggan' - 214

Lambu
Calls out DiMaria Yesta, Griffindor and desin24 for lack of posts – 203
Votes for niichan – no reason given other than not wanting to be last person to vote for Emperor Spriggan – 254
Says Emperor Spriggan screams 'Bomb' – 254
Says, from the plot, they can deduce that there's one Mafia which made a kill with the note and another with their abilities. Or there are 2 Mafias that killed one townie each and that the note was blocked (or something?). Or that a Mafia killed as normal and a Townie killed with the note, but that this doesn't make sense if we believe OP post about 'bad guys having the note' (so they deem thi unlikely) – 297
States we should start talking about roles, indirectly. They know being secretive is a good tool, but it could be fatal (as in DBZ game?) - 297
Says their role is active and has appeared in one of the games they have played, but isn't useful at the moment - 297

Erinyes
Writes summary about what people claimed about their roles (states Emperor Spriggan pleaded 'innocent', kato756 'disappointed', syx 'innocent', WYIS 'passive') – 205
vote on xnut – random vote – 205

MarmaladeSky
Vote on Elusia – joke vote – 207

EmptySoul
Laughs at Emperor Spriggan being ganged up on and states that not think they are Mafia – though states 'I could be wrong though' – 210

Gryffindor
Says can see why people suspect Emperor Spriggan. Suspects Elusia and Niichan also – 220
Vote for niichan – says it is due to a gut feeling – that niichan has a 'confidence vibe' – 255
States other candidates were Elusia, due to newbie status misdirection, and Emperor Spriggan, for low tier gif trolling and not answering inquiries - 255

niichan
States that GrySun was the first one to point out that Emperor Spriggan was suspicious [due to voting for someone with no reason given?] - calls this potentially a 'great Mafia move' as it would generate trust due to him 'already knowing that Spriggan's going to turn out as Mafia' – 221
States Emperor Spriggan is quite fishy and may get his vote as well – 221
Either that or someone inactive – as that group annoys him due to not putting in any time to something they have already signed up for – 221
Vote for EmptySoul – says as suspicious as Emperor Spriggan and feels like potential newbie Mafia. Is voting for someone inactive, which is a pointless action and what Mafia members commonly do. It isn't a danger to do so, as doesn't want to be last person to vote for Spriggan, in case they are a bomb – 226
EmptySoul calls niichan up on this vote and asks exactly what he has done which makes him as suspicious as Emperor Spriggan – 246
Says he thinks the Mafia may have the note, but that if so they can only do one kill. With this in mind, he says it is more likely that there is a 2nd Mafia out there – or an insane doctor, or mb (Mafia Bomb?) or townie with a note – 296
Says annoyed that blue and pink truths aren't facts also and that his deductions weren't easy because of that - 296

xnut
Vote for GrySun – no reason given – 225
states that 'Spriggan slipped up' but isn't sure if Mafia or not – 225

Belserion
Says we should lynch Emperor Spriggan – and that he is 95% sure he's Mafia - 247

desin24
Says only had 2 kills during the night (and not three), so chance of only one mafia and possibly a couple of third parties – 268
GrySun reminds desin24 about the Death Note – 269
desin24 says they suspected 3 deaths due to the death note and points out it may have fallen to an inactive player – 271
MarmaladeSky says it is logical to assume only 1 group of mafia and that the 2nd death was due to the Death Note, unless holder of Note decided not to use it – 272
WYIS asks how it is logical to assume that – 273
MarmaladeSky says 1 death per night Mafia + 1 death from Death Note, unless Note was in the hands of a Townie who made a mistake – 275
Vandred says it's possible, but points out that there are numerous ways to die during the night, even without being targetted by Mafias or third parties. Also that there are many ways Mafia kills can fail – 277
Vandred also states that it is impossible that someone forgot to/didn't use the Death Note, as they would have suffered a penalty - 277
WYIS says that one of the Mafia killers could have been blocked - 276
received a punishment vote for not posting enough – day 1
received another punishment vote for not casting a vote – day 1
Doesn't believe that Demonspeed was a mafia kill – stating that he was one of the most suspicious players in the game and that killing him was detrimental to the mafia cause, unless they believed he could be a 2nd Mafia member – 286
WYIS agrees but asks about Organizized – 287
gnut says it may be a troll killing - 288


DiMaria Yesta
received a punishment vote for not posting enough – day 1
received another punishment vote for not casting a vote – day 1
Damn, that's some effort you went through :vin Well done!
 

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Only that niichan isn't a confirmed townie. These situations are very different.
 

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Even though niichan is 100% Mafia trash I was hoping he'd be useful to me for at least tonight. But oh well. I do love a good mafia lynch :sky

Votekill niichan
 

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Basically what I'm saying is that your proposal has its pros yes. But more potential cons. This obsessive way in which you're using nii is odd
 

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Basically what I'm saying is that your proposal has its pros yes. But more potential cons. This obsessive way in which you're using nii is odd
Yeah...its such bullshit.
All niichan has to say is i had the note and i passed it to my mafia buddy so and so....thats why i was guilty.
 

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He's already said he didn't have the note so I don't think he'll do that. But because he has no confirmed role, means that unlike a vigilante, Dets can't have ultimate confidence in their results. Lynch niichan today and we don't really have to deal with that. There are a few others that stand out like Lambu, zimby (who apparently has good reason) who haven't contributed much other than pointing out what other people have done. Kato is only a fanciful suspicion honestly, and all the new players are acting the same anyway. :/
 

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He's already said he didn't have the note so I don't think he'll do that. But because he has no confirmed role, means that unlike a vigilante, Dets can't have ultimate confidence in their results. Lynch niichan today and we don't really have to deal with that. There are a few others that stand out like Lambu, zimby (who apparently has good reason) who haven't contributed much other than pointing out what other people have done. Kato is only a fanciful suspicion honestly, and all the new players are acting the same anyway. :/
Ofc he would say he doesnt have note now...."wink wink"

Who would say they have the note?
 

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Only that niichan isn't a confirmed townie. These situations are very different.
He will be a confirmed whatever after we lynch him tomorrow :bored


@gnut, niichan already said he doesn't have a Note at the moment... And the Note is received at the start of Day phases. Who would believe him if he changed his version tomorrow and admitted to having lied? I already said I'm ready to votelock him instantly as soon as the day starts. Or last, if you guys fear he's a Mafia Bomb...

So now we have confirmation that there's one Note. And a combo ability if you're holding both. There goes the idea of Death Notes being a hindrance for mafia :XD
 

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Yes but by doing that and then using that as an excuse later would just confirm that he's lying.
 

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He will be a confirmed whatever after we lynch him tomorrow :bored


@gnut, niichan already said he doesn't have a Note at the moment... And the Note is received at the start of Day phases. Who would believe him if he changed his version tomorrow and admitted to having lied? I already said I'm ready to votelock him instantly as soon as the day starts. Or last, if you guys fear he's a Mafia Bomb...

So now we have confirmation that there's one Note. And a combo ability if you're holding both. There goes the idea of Death Notes being a hindrance for mafia :XD
Would you tell if you had the note....?
No....ofc not.
Dont try to play me van....xD
 

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@Vandred that's why I don't think I'll vote niichan. There's no need since at this point I think he's dead anyway and I don't want to blow up.
 

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Yes but by doing that and then using that as an excuse later would just confirm that he's lying.
This is the kinda thinking that allows mafia to get by on these new mechanics you guys implement....who fully understands what this deathnote fuckery is all about..
Everyone has different interpretations....wtf spirit?
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@Vandred that's why I don't think I'll vote niichan. There's no need since at this point I think he's dead anyway and I don't want to blow up.
Where is these bomb hints coming from...first spriggan now niichan.
Can i get a link or a quote?
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Sorry....got geto
Where are....I meant xD
 

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Well if he were to pull such a move I sure as hell wouldn't buy it.
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This is the kinda thinking that allows mafia to get by on these new mechanics you guys implement....who fully understands what this deathnote fuckery is all about..
Everyone has different interpretations....wtf spirit?
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Where is these bomb hints coming from...first spriggan now niichan.
Can i get a link or a quote?
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Sorry....got geto
Where are....I meant xD
I believe the way in which he has this 'can't touch me' attitude potentially points to a bomb? Or a Mafia Bomb.
 
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