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[gnut]

If talking to gry is an offense...then 85% of the players are guilty

You guys followed grys lead because you trust him and he is smart.
You think he would put a fellow mafia in the open by saying he trust them?
You think gry would slip like that?

Ive been hinting investigative role since day 1.

What makes a good real estate agent?
Being informed and knowledgeable

 

[Spirit]

Or maybe you aren't A Traitor. If another Mafia doesn't die tomorrow that isn't written in a note then you're probably a Naive Traitor. Since I would assume that to make it fair you would be able to be recruited by any of the 3 mafias and given random names for all 3. You could be a townie and are just now painting a gigantic target on your back for the Mafia. But in any case I still think the degree to which you were hugging Gry's leg was wierd meaning you could be orange mafia or using that reverse psychology bs as a remaining member of niichan's mafia.

 

[gnut]

Lynching for own benefit is what a mafia does. And as I said, the intel you gave not only is VERY late in game and could be used before with Vandred. And the fact there are 2 dets already. Your case isn't really believable......

Also, I already pointed out how many times Gry said you were his trusted one. look up a few posts before.

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Here are some, and I didn't even dig properly. He said it more than this that he trusted you the most.

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Where is the lore post ?

How could i use with vandred...up to that point i only git innocent...spirit confirmed my sanity...
But like i said....you will have him after im lynched then

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Or maybe you aren't A Traitor. If another Mafia doesn't die tomorrow that isn't written in a note then you're probably a Naive Traitor. Since I would assume that to make it fair you would be able to be recruited by any of the 3 mafias and given random names for all 3. You could be a townie and are just now painting a gigantic target on your back for the Mafia. But in any case I still think the degree to which you were hugging Gry's leg was wierd meaning you could be orange mafia or using that reverse psychology bs as a remaining member of niichan's mafia.

Are you going down the role list?
You are busted bruh...if not today,tomorrow

 

[Spirit]

How could i use with vandred...up to that point i only git innocent...spirit confirmed my sanity...
But like i said....you will have him after im lynched then

And because you've only revealled this now, who is supposed to trust that you didn't simply falsify those results? There are too many possibilities and I suggest no one looks at this game in a linear perspective.

 

[Gryffindor]

Where is the lore post ?

It's stickied at the top...chapter 4.

 

[Spirit]

How could i use with vandred...up to that point i only git innocent...spirit confirmed my sanity...
But like i said....you will have him after im lynched then

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Are you going down the role list?
You are busted bruh...if not today,tomorrow

Yes. I'm looking at all the secondary roles you could have if you aren't a mafia det for Vandred. Your arguments are only getting worse.

 

[MonkeyD-Dragon]

If talking to gry is an offense...then 85% of the players are guilty

You guys followed grys lead because you trust him and he is smart.
You think he would put a fellow mafia in the open by saying he trust them?
You think gry would slip like that?

Ive been hinting investigative role since day 1.

What makes a good real estate agent?
Being informed and knowledgeable

No not talking to Gry.....I just quoted him and showed you how he talked about you, I don't know but using codes in mafia game to communicate with other mafias is a common thing. And considering how many times he mentioned he trusted you it could be just that.
Also, an investigative role doesn't really mean townie role. There is only one way to really wrap this up.

How could i use with vandred...up to that point i only git innocent...spirit confirmed my sanity...
But like i said....you will have him after im lynched then

You could, even if you aren't sure if you are sane or not you could have thrown that around but you didn't. And seeing how you're buddy Gry went at Vandred, it makes sense you didn't go there.

It's stickied at the top...chapter 4.

Thanks, I didn't notice it.

 

[desin24]

Lynching for own benefit is what a mafia does. And as I said, the intel you gave not only is VERY late in game and could be used before with Vandred. And the fact there are 2 dets already. Your case isn't really believable......

Also, I already pointed out how many times Gry said you were his trusted one. look up a few posts before.

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Here are some, and I didn't even dig properly. He said it more than this that he trusted you the most.

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Where is the lore post ?

Going for Gnut because of his "late reveal" is a bullshit excuse. Ofc he didn't come out on day one. No one does. Losing a Det on the following nights only makes him playing low key more important. ESPECIALLY before he could confirm his sanity. I'm not saying he is bulletproof but the timing is not the way to attack his claim. For now I will wait to see if anybody else comes out to claim Det to challenge Gnut's claim.

Vandred knew Gry is mafia which means that his mafia has a detective as well which is still alive. 3 mafia with each having a detective? We have to have 3 Detectives to give this game a semblance of balance. Which is why I'll wait to see if anyone challenges Gnut's claim.

Now Gry died and I'm fairly convinced he did not have any death notes on him. If not I suggest tracking the death notes and seeing who claims to have one or used one.

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Gnut might even be Vandred's mafia detective who found out that WYIS is mafia and now gains our trust by helping lynch a mafia.

 

[Marmalade]

@WithYouInSpirit and @MonkeyD-Dragon okay question for both of you guys, again: not accusing you of anything right now.

I'm just curious: How come both of you weren't really active during the previous days - unless I missed something - but are right now? Especially WYIS is someone I haven't really seen much during this game.
Perhaps it's hypocritical to ask, as I'm not the most active player either, but it's still something that stands out to me.

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On another note about what happened yesterday: I have reasons to believe the different mafia groups perhaps are working together. While it is confirmed that Vandred and Grysun weren't in the same group, Vandred mentioned something about a contract between them multiple times.
Could be a weakness to exploit imo.

 

[Lambu]

I needed some time to process whats happening right now, but Im fine now.

First of all, I can assure Lady pompom passed me a DN and it matches with what she said, its says: WYIS , Kato , Elusia
She wrote down Elusia's name as she said and Im 99% sure she's townie.

Secondly: 3 MAFIAS, I was quite sure of the existence of two mafias in a game of this dimension, thats why I was suspicious of everyone who simply assumed there was only one, but 3 is insane. When Vandred confirmed himself to be mafia I inmediately thought that Gry was a confirmed townie since the start but this reveal broke all my ideas for today.
This is the most trollish game ever, good job hosts.

Lastly, when thinking of Gry being mafia lots of things start to fit. I trust pompom fully and gnut aswell, why? Because I think this situation right now only can mean he really was used by Gry, him hinting his role since the very start also makes me believe him a lot more than the likes of Monkey, who has spent the whole game following the current and never was suspected by Gry, his reasoning in the matters have been incredibly poor compared to the previous TG game.

So if gnut says he's det I will believe him, because its our best card right now, I also want to discuss the DN matter and I will do it shortly.

I agree with desin right up there, If vandred knew Gry was mafia det then there's another mafia det from Dark-red mafia roaming free aswell, so we must be extremely careful.

 

[syx]

On another note about what happened yesterday: I have reasons to believe the different mafia groups perhaps are working together. While it is confirmed that Vandred and Grysun weren't in the same group, Vandred mentioned something about a contract between them multiple times.
Could be a weakness to exploit imo.

Oh come on... contracts? I haven't found anything about contracts in the rules. How does that even work?

 

[Marmalade]

Lastly, when thinking of Gry being mafia lots of things start to fit. I trust pompom fully and gnut aswell, why? Because I think this situation right now only can mean he really was used by Gry, him hinting his role since the very start also makes me believe him a lot more than the likes of Monkey, who has spent the whole game following the current and never was suspected by Gry, his reasoning in the matters have been incredibly poor compared to the previous TG game.
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Perhaps they weren't used. You can never be too careful who to trust. Perhaps they played the game along, so that other players would think the reasons you stated above. It could literally be a plan to fool us all.

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Oh come on... contracts? I haven't found anything about contracts in the rules. How does that even work?

Wasn't in the rules, I believe it was something about contracts among each other (perhaps they found out earlier on who other mafia were due to detectives.
I just find it weird that Vandred repeated something like that a few times in a row.

 

[Lambu]

Oh come on... contracts? I haven't found anything about contracts in the rules. How does that even work?

There's no contract mechanic that I know of, I think it was some kind of joke between them.

Perhaps they weren't used. You can never be too careful who to trust. Perhaps they played the game along, so that other players would think the reasons you stated above. It could literally be a plan to fool us all.

I agree on that, but I know gnut from my very first game with him as mafia and he's not the kind to go full suicidal like, for example, me (lmao) so if he was mafia I dont think he wouldn't have gone for such a far fetched claim only to die lynched, he's a very smart player.

 

[Purity of Magi]

Spoiler: Vote Count! 3/16

3 mafia confirmed..

Votekill spirit...
Should just lock....thats how sure i am on this.

I expected better from you...

Votekill gnut

I still have my suspucions of Bel for acting wierd this whole game, and Zasz since he killed EmptySoul instead of Vandred who was already an obvious suspect even more so than empty.

So ? Doesn't really mean a slip-up isn't gonna happen. It just seems you want to lynch people for your own benefits. Add to it how late this Det claim is right now while not sharing anything about it before,the fact we have 2 dets already and how close you and Gry were and how many times Gry said "You're the only person I trust" like you guys are in love or something....

You are no fool, but you made a mistake. I really wanted to trust you but you aren't really helping your case here.

!votekill gnut for now


I thought no 3rd part ever won a game let alone lovers, he really took a gamble if that is true.


We really don't know, the owners of the note have to come out for us to know how many DNs are out there.


Yes, voting for someone else besides the guy who confirmed mafia is suspicious. Although you do have a point in it being a stupid move to vote xnut if you were mafia, but any slip up of these kinds no matter how small are crucial as of now. Especially since, as you mentioned before, we were manipulated the whole time.

Also, it was clear that mafia were going to kill Gry because he held not only 2 notes(according to him) but he was also the one who moved the game, add to that considering there are 3 mafias and only one kill during this phase, because both other mafias besides Gry's went to kill him.

But for now I will believe you, mainly because you didn't make a slip up before this and because xnut himself isn't very trusted from my side.


Nah, I am not prostitute.

Im not going to have a mud fight with you....
Yall wanna see my commitment
Votelock spirit

Zasz 3x (Penalty vote, Penalty vote, Penalty vote)

Gnut 2x Gnut (WYIS, Monkey)

WYIS 1x (Gnut)


If I forgot a vote please let me know. Thank you.

 

[Belserion]

Yes my sanity is confirmed
Nite 1 - empty innocent
Nite 2 - vandred innocent
Nite 3 - spirit guilty

I'm a bit confused. How is your sanity confirmed? If you were sane then Vandred would come up as guilty (Mafia). If you were insane empty would come up as guilty(townie). The only way they both show as Innocent considering one is mafia and one is townie is if you're a naive detective. But since spirit shows up as guilty you're obviously not naive (or paranoid because of the Innocent verdicts).

Sprit shouldn't have confirmed your sanity. Vandred should have. Or maybe I'm missing something?

 

[MonkeyD-Dragon]

Going for Gnut because of his "late reveal" is a bullshit excuse. Ofc he didn't come out on day one. No one does. Losing a Det on the following nights only makes him playing low key more important. ESPECIALLY before he could confirm his sanity. I'm not saying he is bulletproof but the timing is not the way to attack his claim. For now I will wait to see if anybody else comes out to claim Det to challenge Gnut's claim.

Vandred knew Gry is mafia which means that his mafia has a detective as well which is still alive. 3 mafia with each having a detective? We have to have 3 Detectives to give this game a semblance of balance. Which is why I'll wait to see if anyone challenges Gnut's claim.

Now Gry died and I'm fairly convinced he did not have any death notes on him. If not I suggest tracking the death notes and seeing who claims to have one or used one.

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Gnut might even be Vandred's mafia detective who found out that WYIS is mafia and now gains our trust by helping lynch a mafia.

The timing isn't the only thing I actually called him out for... :
1-His interactions with Gry, by Gry saying on multiple occasions that he trusts gnut the most. I don't see why nobody is looking at this at all, especially since Gry is a mafia.
2-His targets for investigation are conveniently all dead to confirm their roles and by extension, his "sanity". One is Jesus while the other is a Mafia Boss, I find it really convenient that he targeted the targets who are just right to confirm his sanity.
3-His vote at first came out without any sort of explanation and then he mentioned himself being detective.
Then add the timing being right after Gry died. I don't know what to say really besides him being the most suspicious. He really didn't try to reply to me in a way to save himself. And he keeps on ignoring how Gry kept calling him the most trusted (which imo sounds like a code for something). That is my case for gnut, if you have a more suspicious person, then please present it, I am willing to listen.

As for the mirroring you did with the mafia, balance isn't really needed. As far as I know this is the first game to have 3 mafia groups. We could really just have 2 Dets and that is about it. But yes, we need to find the last mafia detective.

And I don't really know if WYIS is a mafia or not, he could be but gnut sounds really mafia to me as of now, if he does turn out to be a Mafia detective though then we would go for WYIS.

@WithYouInSpirit and @MonkeyD-Dragon okay question for both of you guys, again: not accusing you of anything right now.

I'm just curious: How come both of you weren't really active during the previous days - unless I missed something - but are right now? Especially WYIS is someone I haven't really seen much during this game.
Perhaps it's hypocritical to ask, as I'm not the most active player either, but it's still something that stands out to me.

First, its because I have exams coming up and today I am free. I was planning on being active anyway because I expected Gry to die.
Second, because gry turned out to be a mafia (who I really trusted and kinda "left" the game for him). I really decided to take matters into my own hands.

 

[Marmalade]

First, its because I have exams coming up and today I am free. I was planning on being active anyway because I expected Gry to die.
Second, because gry turned out to be a mafia (who I really trusted and kinda "left" the game for him). I really decided to take matters into my own hands.

Ah, thank you. That does makes sense. Goodluck with your exams, and hope to see you more during the game

 

[MonkeyD-Dragon]

Zasz 3x (Penalty vote, Penalty vote, Penalty vote)

Gnut 2x Gnut (WYIS, Monkey)

WYIS 1x (Gnut)


If I forgot a vote please let me know. Thank you.

The vote count says 4/16, but shouldn't it be 3 ?

 

[syx]

I'm a bit confused. How is your sanity confirmed? If you were sane then Vandred would come up as guilty (Mafia). If you were insane empty would come up as guilty(townie). The only way they both show as Innocent considering one is mafia and one is townie is if you're a naive detective. But since spirit shows up as guilty you're obviously not naive (or paranoid because of the Innocent verdicts).

Sprit shouldn't have confirmed your sanity. Vandred should have. Or maybe I'm missing something?

Doesn't the Mafia Boss show as a normal townie according to the rules?

 

[gnut]

Monkey keeps involving me with vandred...if i was his team mate you think i wouldve voted on him so early on day 3...same with niichan day 2.
Who would throw their boss under the bus?

I believe there was 3 small mafia groups and the lack of kills is because possibly one group is eliminated.