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[gnut]

No matter when i would reveal....obvious monkey wouldnt believe me.
Day 1,day 2,day 3....wtv

Why is it so hard to believe there are 3 detectives?
I even told this outright to town yesterday....
I said its a possible 4 detectives and/or an investigator

 

[MonkeyD-Dragon]

The thing is, even if they dont believe gnut they dont have a reason to build a bandwagon against him, its ridiculous.
Reminds me of the previous TG game with the Kato lynch. I was mafia back then so of course I let it happen, but the logical course of action that day was to kill Panda who was against the wall with Gry and Farfalla. Not following logic was the doom of townies back then.

If Wyis with his mysterious passive role dies and is revealed townie... well we lynch gnut tomorrow or even kill him tonight with the note. Now if we lynch gnut and he's revealed as sane det Im going to be mad, we lose the one who could be our last det, do you see a good play in this? The townie Monkey from the previous game wouldn't.
You jumping on him like that and building a wagon with the guy that was accused screams mafia.

Its not just not believing gnut, his interactions with Gry don't scream mafia, since Gry is mafia. And I keep getting associated with WYIS when I am not even defending him, I am attacking gnut because of the Gry mafia detective reveal, I put it in huge text so you could not miss it this time, heck I even told Desin that Spirit could be a mafia and you guys seem to not even look at it AT ALL. Tell me how exactly did Gry also know that nii and Vand are mafia ? He's a mafia detective, so its obvious how he knew it. Now how the hell did gnut vote Vandred first at the start of the day back then if he didn't know for sure that Vandred was a mafia boss ? Or how convenient his targets were to confirm his sanity ?
I am voting gnut because I don't believe he is a detective and I don't see it at all, and you are still defending him. If whoever sees this doesn't realize what you are doing now is mafia then nothing really should be considered mafia.

 

[Lambu]

Its not just not believing gnut, his interactions with Gry don't scream mafia, since Gry is mafia. And I keep getting associated with WYIS when I am not even defending him, I am attacking gnut because of the Gry mafia detective reveal, I put it in huge text so you could not miss it this time, heck I even told Desin that Spirit could be a mafia and you guys seem to not even look at it AT ALL. Tell me how exactly did Gry also know that nii and Vand are mafia ? He's a mafia detective, so its obvious how he knew it. Now how the hell did gnut vote Vandred first at the start of the day back then if he didn't know for sure that Vandred was a mafia boss ? Or how convenient his targets were to confirm his sanity ?
I am voting gnut because I don't believe he is a detective and I don't see it at all, and you are still defending him. If whoever sees this doesn't realize what you are doing now is mafia then nothing really should be considered mafia.

Oh my god... why do you still keep ignoring the crucial point?
I dont get anything by defending gnut.

The point is, Monkey: Why lynch the person that claims detective right away before proving he's telling the truth? So you would rather lynch gnut, see he's detective and suck your thumb? No man, thats not what a townie would do lmao.

 

[Lady pompom]

Well I can vouch for D - as I was the one who wrote Vandred and it already had Demonspeed in it.
Demon didn't die, so either the note works half the time or it can be blocked like any normal kill. I am leaning towards the 2nd option.

I'll trust that the 2nd note GrySun has exists - and it killed both it's targets - I also think it odd for GrySun to include both these notes information at the same time, if he was planning on making a note up.


I'm hesitant about the existence of this note (as 3 notes + 1 or 2 Mafias would lead to a lot of killing, even without 3rd roles) and suggest that if Vandred issn't Mafia then people watch Asia pretty damn carefully.

Doubt solved? either Gry was lying about having 2 DNs or there is one DN for each mafia group, then, three groups means 3 Dns, Lambu confirmed I gave the DN to him. Are you a mafia and is trying to frame me posting it at the last minutes of the day? I did not suggest Vandred wasn't mafia back then, I've said later, If I didn't have absolute confidence he was mafia, I wouldn't have voted for him.

Wow.
How the heck are townies even supposed to stand a chance with three freakin' mafias.
@Lady pompom, whose name did you write down in the note?

I wrote Elusia's name as confirmed later, but as I've told the name I'd written out loud, either mafia blocked me or someone protected Elusia. I'd go for the first option since early in this game we were suspecting there is an escort among mafia.

So, did GrySun just lie about the Death Notes or what? How come there is only one death while there are supposed to be 3 DNs out there? What am I missing?

Not sure if he lied, there could exist 1 Dn for each mafia group to ensue chaos.

The timing isn't the only thing I actually called him out for... :
1-His interactions with Gry, by Gry saying on multiple occasions that he trusts gnut the most. I don't see why nobody is looking at this at all, especially since Gry is a mafia.
2-His targets for investigation are conveniently all dead to confirm their roles and by extension, his "sanity". One is Jesus while the other is a Mafia Boss, I find it really convenient that he targeted the targets who are just right to confirm his sanity.
3-His vote at first came out without any sort of explanation and then he mentioned himself being detective.
Then add the timing being right after Gry died. I don't know what to say really besides him being the most suspicious. He really didn't try to reply to me in a way to save himself. And he keeps on ignoring how Gry kept calling him the most trusted (which imo sounds like a code for something). That is my case for gnut, if you have a more suspicious person, then please present it, I am willing to listen.

As for the mirroring you did with the mafia, balance isn't really needed. As far as I know this is the first game to have 3 mafia groups. We could really just have 2 Dets and that is about it. But yes, we need to find the last mafia detective.

And I don't really know if WYIS is a mafia or not, he could be but gnut sounds really mafia to me as of now, if he does turn out to be a Mafia detective though then we would go for WYIS.



First, its because I have exams coming up and today I am free. I was planning on being active anyway because I expected Gry to die.
Second, because gry turned out to be a mafia (who I really trusted and kinda "left" the game for him). I really decided to take matters into my own hands.

Sure Gnut is a prime suspect, but I must say you're even more suspect when you say "you expected Gry to die". Why did you expect it? Gry told he had two DNs, so of course, if he wasn't mafia, mafia would try killing him, still, he was mafia and probably an opposite group killed him, but aside me and @MarmaladeSky no one told they didn't trust Gry, don't you think a doc or any other blocking role would've protected him? How could you be so sure he'd die? Did you block someone to make it happen?

I've said it before, but bandwagons are pretty much suspicious and I'm most suspicious about Monkey D. now. Not sure about Gnut either, he's not on my top list, although his claim is strange I'm giving him this vote of trust again. The fact someone blocked me or protected Elusia also intrigues me a lot. Why would someone waste a block/protection action? Did mafia thought I'd try killing someone I didn't talk here?

Also, @Lambu we should discuss about how to use the death note yes, but remember always putting more than 1 suspect to kill/pass the death note (mention more than one name), it will at least spur some confusion for mafia. The mafia families aren't that big, we just need to sniff the right ones.

I also trust @MarmaladeSky , would you mind giving your opinion about this either?

 

[MonkeyD-Dragon]

Oh my god... why do you still keep ignoring the crucial point?
I dont get anything by defending gnut.

The point is, Monkey: Why lynch the person that claims detective right away before proving he's telling the truth? So you would rather lynch gnut, see he's detective and suck your thumb? No man, thats not what a townie would do lmao.

I didn't miss your point at all, You are the one that missed my point : I do not believe gnut to be a detective at all. And I already mentioned why.

Also, if mafia don't get anything for defending fellow mafia then I don't know anything. Especially in a game where other mafias exist and are a threat to you.

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Sure Gnut is a prime suspect, but I must say you're even more suspect when you say "you expected Gry to die". Why did you expect it? Gry told he had two DNs, so of course, if he wasn't mafia, mafia would try killing him, still, he was mafia and probably an opposite group killed him, but aside me and @MarmaladeSky no one told they didn't trust Gry, don't you think a doc or any other blocking role would've protected him? How could you be so sure he'd die? Did you block someone to make it happen?

I expected him to die because not only was he the main engine in this game (which I don't think you can deny after he got to lynch 3 mafia in a row..) , he also revealed that he had 2 notes with him. Arjuna already claimed Bulletproof so if I were to believe him, the mafia would have a Strongman on their side (and I mean Vandred's mafia here before you start jumping), so I assumed the mafia will kill him with a strongman, and Vandred's threats after he admitted weren't really empty threats.

I've said it before, but bandwagons are pretty much suspicious and I'm most suspicious about Monkey D. now. Not sure about Gnut either, he's not on my top list, although his claim is strange I'm giving him this vote of trust again. The fact someone blocked me or protected Elusia also intrigues me a lot. Why would someone waste a block/protection action? Did mafia thought I'd try killing someone I didn't talk here?

I was going to reveal my role sooner if somehow Lambu didn't jump to defend gnut. My role is Bomb Defuser. So yes, the mafia probably have a bomb with them. This is what I meant when I said :

Not much suspects on my part, and my role isn't really helpful as it works only in specific conditions against specific roles.

I stop a role from using its ability.

 

[Lady pompom]

I expected him to die because not only was he the main engine in this game (which I don't think you can deny after he got to lynch 3 mafia in a row..) , he also revealed that he had 2 notes with him. Arjuna already claimed Bulletproof so if I were to believe him, the mafia would have a Strongman on their side (and I mean Vandred's mafia here before you start jumping), so I assumed the mafia will kill him with a strongman, and Vandred's threats after he admitted weren't really empty threats.


I was going to reveal my role sooner if somehow Lambu didn't jump to defend gnut. My role is Bomb Defuser. So yes, the mafia probably have a bomb with them. This is what I meant when I said :

Okay, the mafiastrongman was Erin, she died, but nothing impedes there's another one, i'm not sure. If mafia has a bomb, one more reason to be careful by lynching them, also, i'd like to ask the hosts a question @goodboy_lawlett if we use DN to kill a bomb, the person that used it dies with the bomb like the rule is applied normally for lynching/killing?

 

[MonkeyD-Dragon]

Okay, the mafiastrongman was Erin, she died, but nothing impedes there's another one, i'm not sure. If mafia has a bomb, one more reason to be careful by lynching them, also, i'd like to ask the hosts a question @goodboy_lawlett if we use DN to kill a bomb, the person that used it dies with the bomb like the rule is applied normally for lynching/killing?

Erin was only the Strongman of Nii's mafia. But I noticed so far all 3 mafias have detectives in them, so I would says its also safe to assume that all have strongman so all of them can have a shot at the Bulletproof townie.

 

[Lawl Po Bia]

Okay, the mafiastrongman was Erin, she died, but nothing impedes there's another one, i'm not sure. If mafia has a bomb, one more reason to be careful by lynching them, also, i'd like to ask the hosts a question @goodboy_lawlett if we use DN to kill a bomb, the person that used it dies with the bomb like the rule is applied normally for lynching/killing?

Rules contain all the answers my kawaii kawaii ange

 

[Lady pompom]

I'd not go to far for three strongmans, We lynched two bosses (and there's still the orange mafia boss), it wa sconfimed that at least the red mafias had detectives (but nothing guarantees the third has one), and I'd bet on an escort.

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If we have so many blocking roles in this town, mafia must have their own blocking roles too.

 

[MonkeyD-Dragon]

I'd not go to far for three strongmans, We lynched two bosses (and there's still the orange mafia boss), it wa sconfimed that at least the red mafias had detectives (but nothing guarantees the third has one), and I'd bet on an escort.

Spriggan was the detective of Red mafia.
Gry was the detective of Orange mafia.
And Vandred knew both Nii's role and Gry's role, so its safe to say he had a detective in the Dark Red mafia.

 

[Lambu]

I didn't miss your point at all, You are the one that missed my point : I do not believe gnut to be a detective at all. And I already mentioned why.

Also, if mafia don't get anything for defending fellow mafia then I don't know anything. Especially in a game where other mafias exist and are a threat to you.

Again... it doesn't matter that you dont believe him to be det, what it matters is that you would rather believe the guy that he got guilty. If gnut lied he's pretty much dead for the upcoming phase, he wouldn't do that right after one of his "supposed mafias" died unless he was going with a suicidal mentality. The fact that you would vote gnut before even hearing him out is astonishing to say the least.

I wrote Elusia's name as confirmed later, but as I've told the name I'd written out loud, either mafia blocked me or someone protected Elusia. I'd go for the first option since early in this game we were suspecting there is an escort among mafia.

Sure Gnut is a prime suspect, but I must say you're even more suspect when you say "you expected Gry to die". Why did you expect it? Gry told he had two DNs, so of course, if he wasn't mafia, mafia would try killing him, still, he was mafia and probably an opposite group killed him, but aside me and @MarmaladeSky no one told they didn't trust Gry, don't you think a doc or any other blocking role would've protected him? How could you be so sure he'd die? Did you block someone to make it happen?

I've said it before, but bandwagons are pretty much suspicious and I'm most suspicious about Monkey D. now. Not sure about Gnut either, he's not on my top list, although his claim is strange I'm giving him this vote of trust again. The fact someone blocked me or protected Elusia also intrigues me a lot. Why would someone waste a block/protection action? Did mafia thought I'd try killing someone I didn't talk here?

Also, @Lambu we should discuss about how to use the death note yes, but remember always putting more than 1 suspect to kill/pass the death note (mention more than one name), it will at least spur some confusion for mafia. The mafia families aren't that big, we just need to sniff the right ones.

I also trust @MarmaladeSky , would you mind giving your opinion about this either?

The fact that Elusia didn't die only means you were blocked by someone, since no doc would protect Elusia in a realistic situation.
You did say you would kill Elusia in D3, thats why they blocked you.

Ok,I'll put Elusia's name. I'll also chose about my note.

^There

Actually @gnut saying he didn't want a note yesterday makes even more sense, since if he had the note he wouldn't have the chance to investigate.

4. Obtaining the Note prevents you from using your primary role, and uses up your night action

For today I can only rest assured if I pass it back to you pompom, I really dont trust anyone else.

 

[Lady pompom]

Spriggan was the detective of Red mafia.
Gry was the detective of Orange mafia.
And Vandred knew both Nii's role and Gry's role, so its safe to say he had a detective in the Dark Red mafia.

Hm... Then it could work like this: each mafia has 1 boss + 1 det + special member (strongman/ escort/ bomb?). By the way @WithYouInSpirit shouldn't you tell a bit more about this passive role of yours?

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For today I can only rest assured if I pass it back to you pompom, I really dont trust anyone else.

Okay, but tonight I'll have a blocking action again, i'll think carefully whom I should block. If Monkey D. claim is right we have a bomb, I'm not sure if it makes sense, but it makes sense that each mafia has, at least one special member aside boss and det, it could be any other role (poisoner, pirate). Yes, gnut's words make sense, he wouldn't want to lose his main action. I'm not sure if I buy Arjuna's buletproof claim, but well, we can check it later.

@zimbardo does your role involves learning/teaching?

 

[MonkeyD-Dragon]

Again... it doesn't matter that you dont believe him to be det, what it matters is that you would rather believe the guy that he got guilty. If gnut lied he's pretty much dead for the upcoming phase, he wouldn't do that right after one of his "supposed mafias" died unless he was going with a suicidal mentality. The fact that you would vote gnut before even hearing him out is astonishing to say the least.

Again...you keep on telling me I believe Spirit when I haven't even tried to do that at all. I am attacking gnut because I think he is suspicious not because of spirit , I said this from my first post quoting him, you could lynch spirit today or tomorrow and I really don't care. And I am not sure if gnut would die since its possible that mafia have an escort according to this part of your post :

The fact that Elusia didn't die only means you were blocked by someone, since no doc would protect Elusia in a realistic situation.
You did say you would kill Elusia in D3, thats why they blocked you.

Then we could possibly get rekt if the escort stops the note user. Well not "we" since I also believe you are a mafia by now.
Also, I did hear gnut out, and I found his rebuttals very weak. At this point I doubt you read my posts about gnut at all.

Hm... Then it could work like this: each mafia has 1 boss + 1 det + special member (strongman/ escort/ bomb?). By the way @WithYouInSpirit shouldn't you tell a bit more about this passive role of yours?

It could be true, but I don't really know. If only one mafia gets a shot at the bulletproof then its a bit unfair.

 

[gnut]

Hm... Then it could work like this: each mafia has 1 boss + 1 det + special member (strongman/ escort/ bomb?). By the way @WithYouInSpirit shouldn't you tell a bit more about this passive role of yours?

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Okay, but tonight I'll have a blocking action again, i'll think carefully whom I should block. If Monkey D. claim is right we have a bomb, I'm not sure if it makes sense, but it makes sense that each mafia has, at least one special member aside boss and det, it could be any other role (poisoner, pirate). Yes, gnut's words make sense, he wouldn't want to lose his main action. I'm not sure if I buy Arjuna's buletproof claim, but well, we can check it later.

@zimbardo does your role involves learning/teaching?

I dont think he will say anything...
He knows either his goose is cooked or mine...him talking more only hurts his chances xD

Spriggan was the detective of Red mafia.
Gry was the detective of Orange mafia.
And Vandred knew both Nii's role and Gry's role, so its safe to say he had a detective in the Dark Red mafia.

Going by this....you think i would kill my boss...come on man
So you are saying im vans det...or am i grys boss?

Again... it doesn't matter that you dont believe him to be det, what it matters is that you would rather believe the guy that he got guilty. If gnut lied he's pretty much dead for the upcoming phase, he wouldn't do that right after one of his "supposed mafias" died unless he was going with a suicidal mentality. The fact that you would vote gnut before even hearing him out is astonishing to say the least.



The fact that Elusia didn't die only means you were blocked by someone, since no doc would protect Elusia in a realistic situation.
You did say you would kill Elusia in D3, thats why they blocked you.



^There

Actually @gnut saying he didn't want a note yesterday makes even more sense, since if he had the note he wouldn't have the chance to investigate.



For today I can only rest assured if I pass it back to you pompom, I really dont trust anyone else.

Exactly...why would i ask not to get a note.
Boy that sounds mafia-ish

 

[MonkeyD-Dragon]

Going by this....you think i would kill my boss...come on man
So you are saying im vans det...or am i grys boss?

I already answered this before, that you are not on vand's mafia, but Gry's.

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Exactly...why would i ask not to get a note.
Boy that sounds mafia-ish

If you fully read the rules of the note ,you'd see why you wouldn't want the note. Its not just mafia exclusive to turn it down.

 

[Lady pompom]

It could be true, but I don't really know. If only one mafia gets a shot at the bulletproof then its a bit unfair.

Not really. Firts time I played this game, one mafia had a poisoner and the other had a janitor. Each one had their own specialties, it''s what I'm trying to say. Just put three strongmans to "keep it fair" doesn't fit. Are you trying to divert our attention to the real roles mafia has in this game?

 

[gnut]

I already answered this before, that you are not on vand's mafia, but Gry's.

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If you fully read the rules of the note ,you'd see why you wouldn't want the note. Its not just mafia exclusive to turn it down.

Ok monkey...im done with this.
All i will say...once i die town and spirit dies mafia...
Whos the one gonna look bad...if you are mafia,it is you who are taking the big risk here.

 

[MonkeyD-Dragon]

Not really. Firts time I played this game, one mafia had a poisoner and the other had a janitor. Each one had their own specialties, it''s what I'm trying to say. Just put three strongmans to "keep it fair" doesn't fit. Are you trying to divert our attention to the real roles mafia has in this game?

Not really. But considering this mafia game has 3 mafia groups and all of them had a detective, so I assume they all have the same roles. And I did say that I don't really know. The only way to know the roles is to kill mafia.

 

[gnut]

Ive locked...so thats that.

 

[MonkeyD-Dragon]

Ok monkey...im done with this.
All i will say...once i die town and spirit dies mafia...
Whos the one gonna look bad...if you are mafia,it is you who are taking the big risk here.

I am quite confident in myself you see. Last time I played I was told to be more assertive, that is what I am being. Although if you do die and show up as a detective, I am not gonna defend myself in case someone votes me and I will also vote for WYIS.