Games Mafia Game 58 - Umineko: How to play 13 - END GAME

Spirit · Nov 19, 2017

Lambu said:
@WithYouInSpirit My first reason is here:

I dont believe anything you say WYIS, following a Mafia's advice can't be good in any way, I will save these posts of you though.

Yeah... but I think she did good by reminding us of it. That someone notices that thing doesn't clear that person at all.
By the way @syx just because you are participative in the discussion doesn't mean you are clear either. Tell more about that role of yours.

Following a Mafia's advice got you three consecutive Mafia lynches. But if you don't want to listen then I'm sure Greg will. He at least has the experience to know that wtf-plays can end well. Hell, you in your reveal a few games back and when Daws wtfed in order to bring down the other mafia team. Nobody listened to him though and Town lost the game again

syx · Nov 19, 2017

I don't know what the hell happened with that post of mine. oO

Spirit · Nov 19, 2017

syx said:
I don't know what the hell happened with that post of mine. oO

Stalker

syx · Nov 19, 2017

WithYouInSpirit said:
Stalker

Yeah, you would like that, wouldn't you?

I just f* up with Lambu's WYIS-tag it seems.

Spirit · Nov 19, 2017

@Lambu and besides, me sharing my suspects for other mafia team members doesn't involve needing to believe anything I say anyway. They are suspects of one Mafia for being members of another Mafia. Your unwillingness to even consider simple suspicions is odd.

Zasz · Nov 19, 2017

WithYouInSpirit said:
What? People need to read through what they miss honestly. I've already told people I'm Gry's Mafia

Or maybe it's not ignorance and a shitty play instead

You're nuts man. :kappa

EmptySoul · Nov 19, 2017

Votekill WYIS
Since He confirmed he was mafia and i gotta vote now since i prolly wont be around till the day ends

My bad @syx :feelsbadman

Nobody seemed to be mentioning anything and like Lambu said i dont think someone else mentioning it would be proof enough of their innocence

syx · Nov 19, 2017

Lambu is ignoring me again. u.u"

EmptySoul said:
My bad @syx
Nobody seemed to be mentioning anything and like Lambu said i dont think someone else mentioning it would be proof enough of their innocence

It wouldn't, but it could be an important information for future outcomes. Just one rough example:

Let's assume you didn't mention anything
Player X (from mafia group 2) realizes it and asks Lambu why hasn't considering to give the DN to a confirmed townie (EmptySoul)
Player X dies and everyone knows he is a mafia
this could be used as an indicator, people who were all doki doki with Player X during the game could be potential mafias as well

!votekill Elusia

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Sorry for my bad english, I meant this as my second point:

Player X (from mafia group 2) realizes it and asks Lambu why he hasn't considered to give the DN to a confirmed townie (EmptySoul)

Lambu · Nov 19, 2017

WithYouInSpirit said:
@Lambu and besides, me sharing my suspects for other mafia team members doesn't involve needing to believe anything I say anyway. They are suspects of one Mafia for being members of another Mafia. Your unwillingness to even consider simple suspicions is odd.

Thats why Im going to save all this stuff you are saying cause it could be useful to pinpoint Dark Red Mafia, but still everything you say right now should be taken with a grain of salt. As your intention is to keep your other members alive everything you say right now could be a lie, to begin with what you said about Elusia being Hider.

syx said:
Lambu is ignoring me again. u.u"

It wouldn't, but it could be an important information for future outcomes. Just one rough example:

Let's assume you didn't mention anything

Player X (from mafia group 2) realizes it and asks Lambu why hasn't considering to give the DN to a confirmed townie (EmptySoul)

Player X dies and everyone knows he is a mafia

this could be used as an indicator, people who were all doki doki with Player X during the game could be potential mafias as well

!votekill Elusia

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Sorry for my bad english, I meant this as my second point:

Player X (from mafia group 2) realizes it and asks Lambu why he hasn't considered to give the DN to a confirmed townie (EmptySoul)

Im not ignoring you, Im just coming here from time to time, even on Sundays one has things to do :xp

As for your role, say if it works at night, if its passive, etc... Its the safer way of proving if you are trustful at this point. I will check my summaries to see if the hints you give are legit.

@desin24 @Gryffindor @xnut @zimbardo Please say something on the matter aswell, the day is already ending and I have to make a decision.

syx · Nov 19, 2017

@Lambu, this is what I told GrySun:

syx said:
@GrySun
just came back from work and have some stuff to do. Didn't read all the posts after the last night. What exactly do you want to know?

This is what I can say about me:

I'm a townie, which I stated via the Red Truth (yes, that counts)

I don't like my role at all, have difficulties to utilize my role to its full potential

I gave subtle hints about my role two times in my previous posts, but it's probably not easy to deduce as much

I have an active role which works at night
I never possessed a DN

Good enough?

desin24 · Nov 19, 2017

Lambu said:
Thats why Im going to save all this stuff you are saying cause it could be useful to pinpoint Dark Red Mafia, but still everything you say right now should be taken with a grain of salt. As your intention is to keep your other members alive everything you say right now could be a lie, to begin with what you said about Elusia being Hider.

Im not ignoring you, Im just coming here from time to time, even on Sundays one has things to do
As for your role, say if it works at night, if its passive, etc... Its the safer way of proving if you are trustful at this point. I will check my summaries to see if the hints you give are legit.

@desin24 @Gryffindor @xnut @zimbardo Please say something on the matter aswell, the day is already ending and I have to make a decision.

Hey, sorry for being absent during the bulk of the day. I organized a party yesterday and it kinda escalated.

Regarding our votes I would honestly go for a double lynch today since zsasz already has the penalty votes. He acts very mafia-esque tbh. Although him being pretty clueless speaks a bit more for a townie who didn't follow the game too close.
Either him or Elusia, there is a chance she's the lover as Ladypompom brought up a couple pages earlier.

We definitely shouldn't dismiss what spirit is saying by default. Even if it's not 100% truth there's still a lot of information there and the best lies are the ones in the middle of truths.

Votekill Zsasz

syx · Nov 19, 2017

Which players should be considered to be killed by @Lambu's DN?

And which people are trustworthy enough to receive DN? EmptySoul is given and Lambu considers to give it back to Pompom-chan, right?

Gryffindor · Nov 19, 2017

@Lady pompom @Lambu

I shared my thoughts on the matter in this [post=4651452]post[/post]

Since then, Spirit has admitted to being part of GrySun’s mafia. As for all the other stuff he said, here are my thoughts:

In his post before his admission he says Gry’s mafia probably wrote Erin’s name in the note. A complete lie as we know in Day 3, Grysun had 2 notes according to him and pompom had one as well, and Erinyes’ name was not in any of them.

He said they discussed Zasz as a serious suspect of Vandred’s mafia, but why would they give him the note and expect him to kill Vandred if they think he’s in his mafia. Like what? How does that even make any sense? You giving Zasz a note and expect him to kill his own boss, all supposedly done to confirm Zasz as mafia. Yeah, no. Vandred was so sure Gry would die after he was lynched, so I’d have to question why’d they attempt to make such a risky move and give the note to a mafia rival when said rival could just as easily flip the script and write their names on it at random.

I think I’ll believe him on the trying to kill Zimbardo part. GrySun votedkilled Zimbardo the previous day after Vandred was pretty much done for. Gry seemed to want to get rid of the rivals to be able to control the town without outside interference so he probably would’ve went hard after Zimbardo day 3 if they attempted another bandwagon like the previous days.

As for targeting Bel and writing her name twice, idk. The owners of the other two DN’s would have to come out to confirm if her name is in there. But I actually believe this because of the little exchange they had a few pages back.

As for players to suspect, idk. I've always suspected Elusia, but it seems Spirit is trying to get rid of her since keeping her around is beneficial to the mafia according to him, but then why block pompom when she made it obvious that was her target, or were they scared pompom would target someone else. xnut has also been quiet, similar to how Elusia has been. Zasz I now suspect as well.

I'm not good at hypotheticals but I wouldn't put it past Spirit to sacrifice himself and in the process try to throw off the town so his mafia buddies can work with more confidence. The truths he spoke wouldn't be detrimental to his team.

That's all I got from the last 120 posts or so.

Spirit · Nov 19, 2017

Well I'm out for... well the rest of the game I suppose. At least kill Zasz or Belserion tonight. Gry died trying his hardest to at least kill her above all else. I'm a little salty that he didn't die for no reason. Looking forward to some sweet karma when I wake up.

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Gryffindor said:
@Lady pompom @Lambu

I shared my thoughts on the matter in this [post=4651452]post[/post]

Since then, Spirit has admitted to being part of GrySun’s mafia. As for all the other stuff he said, here are my thoughts:

In his post before his admission he says Gry’s mafia probably wrote Erin’s name in the note. A complete lie as we know in Day 3, Grysun had 2 notes according to him and pompom had one as well, and Erinyes’ name was not in any of them.

He said they discussed Zasz as a serious suspect of Vandred’s mafia, but why would they give him the note and expect him to kill Vandred if they think he’s in his mafia. Like what? How does that even make any sense? You giving Zasz a note and expect him to kill his own boss, all supposedly done to confirm Zasz as mafia. Yeah, no. Vandred was so sure Gry would die after he was lynched, so I’d have to question why’d they attempt to make such a risky move and give the note to a mafia rival when said rival could just as easily flip the script and write their names on it at random.

I think I’ll believe him on the trying to kill Zimbardo part. GrySun votedkilled Zimbardo the previous day after Vandred was pretty much done for. Gry seemed to want to get rid of the rivals to be able to control the town without outside interference so he probably would’ve went hard after Zimbardo day 3 if they attempted another bandwagon like the previous days.

As for targeting Bel and writing her name twice, idk. The owners of the other two DN’s would have to come out to confirm if her name is in there. But I actually believe this because of the little exchange they had a few pages back.

As for players to suspect, idk. I've always suspected Elusia, but it seems Spirit is trying to get rid of her since keeping her around is beneficial to the mafia according to him, but then why block pompom when she made it obvious that was her target, or were they scared pompom would target someone else. xnut has also been quiet, similar to how Elusia has been. Zasz I now suspect as well.

I'm not good at hypotheticals but I wouldn't put it past Spirit to sacrifice himself and in the process try to throw off the town so his mafia buddies can work with more confidence. The truths he spoke wouldn't be detrimental to his team.

That's all I got from the last 120 posts or so.

I can't go without clarifying a few things you messed up there. I killed Erin normally Night 2 after niichan was lynched because I already killed Orgz with the O Note night one. I then passed the note to Zasz. Gry planned and did throw many hints at zasz having the note on day 2 and that vandred would be a good kill target. But instead of killing vandred night 2 he kills empty for some reason. Why not follow what gry said to do as he had done with most others from the start? This is the main reason apart from his odd behavior today that we think he's Vandred's Mafia. And I think you overstated what I said about zimby. He was a common target for potential mafia. That's all.

Gryffindor · Nov 19, 2017

WithYouInSpirit said:
Well I'm out for... well the rest of the game I suppose. At least kill Zasz or Belserion tonight. Gry died trying his hardest to at least kill her above all else. I'm a little salty that he didn't die for no reason. Looking forward to some sweet karma when I wake up.

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I can't go without clarifying a few things you messed up there. I killed Erin normally Night 2 after niichan was lynched because I already killed Orgz with the O Note night one. I then passed the note to Zasz. Gry planned and did throw many hints at zasz having the note on day 2 and that vandred would be a good kill target. But instead of killing vandred night 2 he kills empty for some reason. Why not follow what gry said to do as he had done with most others from the start? This is the main reason apart from his odd behavior today that we think he's Vandred's Mafia. And I think you overstated what I said about zimby. He was a common target for potential mafia. That's all.

That post is just me trying to come up with hypotheticals and trying to draw out conclusions/assumptions from what you've said. Not experienced in doing that kind of stuff since I'm not familiar with playing styles and the like, so it's indeed possible I've overstated/misunderstood some things.

Elusia · Nov 19, 2017

The day is drawing near....

I guess some people doesn't want to talk directly at me. But I understand why. Still, I am quite tired of things happening so I hope everyone knows what they are doing.

As for my vote, votekill wyis for his confession.

Lambu · Nov 19, 2017

syx said:
@Lambu, this is what I told GrySun:

I have an active role which works at night

I never possessed a DN

Good enough?

More or less, but I dont have records of you giving subtle hints before. :notrust

Either way, you would better claim your role next day, all this secretism with so many potential mafias is going to backfire on us. I say the same to everybody.

Well guys, since pompom is not here yet I will say this before the day ends:

- I want to write either Monkey or Elusia's name in the Death Note. They are my biggest suspects right now and I think there's a very high possibility they are the remnants of Gry's Mafia.
- If there's a Doctor, and I hope there is one: Please protect gnut. If my theory is correct Monkey could block him so he cannot investigate anyone but he could also block me in order to save his butt. I dont care if they kill me though, Im just a Hider, so if they waste their kill on me the better since it would evidence them even more.
- I'll pass the note to EmptySoul, since she's 100% confirmed townie and the Mafia would not waste their kill on a resurrected Jesus only to get back a note, so she will receive it from me.

Lastly, since there is so much suspicion on Zasz: Would you people take the option of a double lynch on him? Im not sure about it since trusting WYIS seems like a bad course of action, but I leave it up to you guys.

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@Belserion @EmptySoul @xnut @MarmaladeSky @desin24

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Also @Lady pompom I would rather have you block Monkey as first priority or syx/Belserion, the last two are just a hunch though. If I die please take a good look on them.