Games Mafia Game 58 - Umineko: How to play 13 - END GAME

[desin24]

Whoever it is, is part of the dark red mafia of course part of Arjuna's mafia. Apparently I won the coin toss against Arjuna which means the townies won.
It doesn't matter whether we kill Gryffindor today or Marmalade. Tommorow is the latest point at which mafia is dead. If we lynch the wrong person gnut still has the death note to end the other. Even if he loses the coin toss it's still ours.

 

[Belserion]

Whoever it is, is part of the dark red mafia of course part of Arjuna's mafia. Apparently I won the coin toss against Arjuna which means the townies won.
It doesn't matter whether we kill Gryffindor today or Marmalade. Tommorow is the latest point at which mafia is dead. If we lynch the wrong person gnut still has the death note to end the other. Even if he loses the coin toss it's still ours.

Don't lynch @MarmaladeSky she's not Mafia. I investigated her last night, yes I'm detective, insane but still a detective. That leaves @Gryffindor ...... And maybe you but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt for now.

 

[Gryffindor]

Being insane doesn't guarantee your result being accurate.
Aside from Marmalade, Desin is just as suspicious. He proclaimed himself townie, and everyone just rolled with it, why did he pass the note to gnut instead of Empty when gnut needs to be able to investigate. Even if he did that because he assumed investigative abilities were no longer needed as there were only few players left as suspect, that still doesn't explain his spy results.
Night 1: inactive-fair enough, he was penalized for it.
Night 2: Vandred-ironically the last night Vandred lived
Night 3: GrySun-the night he was killed
Night 4: Lambu-the night he was killed
that's all we know, soooo convenient how his targets were mafia, that is some accuracy or is it convenience?

 

[EmptySoul]

Wow i really thought orange maf was done for
So there really are 4 members per mafia
That leaves one dark red
I only trust gnut & bel rn
Also Whyd u pass the DN to gnut when he needs his night ability @desin24

--- Double Post Merged, Nov 23, 2017, Original Post Date: Nov 23, 2017 ---

Being insane doesn't guarantee your result being accurate.
Aside from Marmalade, Desin is just as suspicious. He proclaimed himself townie, and everyone just rolled with it, why did he pass the note to gnut instead of Empty when gnut needs to be able to investigate. Even if he did that because he assumed investigative abilities were no longer needed as there were only few players left as suspect, that still doesn't explain his spy results.
Night 1: inactive-fair enough, he was penalized for it.
Night 2: Vandred-ironically the last night Vandred lived
Night 3: GrySun-the night he was killed
Night 4: Lambu-the night he was killed
that's all we know, soooo convenient how his targets were mafia, that is some accuracy or is it convenience?

My dude exactly
Desin acting like he aint a suspect himself,him passing it to Gnut is basically him stopping gnut from investigating tonight like why when he couldve passed to it to me who doesnt have a night action and is a confirmed townie?

 

[Belserion]

Being insane doesn't guarantee your result being accurate.
Aside from Marmalade, Desin is just as suspicious. He proclaimed himself townie, and everyone just rolled with it, why did he pass the note to gnut instead of Empty when gnut needs to be able to investigate. Even if he did that because he assumed investigative abilities were no longer needed as there were only few players left as suspect, that still doesn't explain his spy results.
Night 1: inactive-fair enough, he was penalized for it.
Night 2: Vandred-ironically the last night Vandred lived
Night 3: GrySun-the night he was killed
Night 4: Lambu-the night he was killed
that's all we know, soooo convenient how his targets were mafia, that is some accuracy or is it convenience?

I'm pretty confident in my results. They've all proven accurate. What's your role again? I might have missed it. Since it makes no sense for any of us to hide now after all.

 

[Gryffindor]

I'm pretty confident in my results. They've all proven accurate. What's your role again? I might have missed it. Since it makes no sense for any of us to hide now after all.

Everybody's results have been accurate this game lol, I'd take those with a grain of salt, just look at the mafias killing each other because they know who is who, kind of like how Desin knows who is who.

Restless spirit.

 

[Belserion]

Everybody's results have been accurate this game lol, I'd take those with a grain of salt, just look at the mafias killing each other because they know who is who, kind of like how Desin knows who is who.

Restless spirit.

And what's your argument on marmaladesky since apparently she's just as suspicious as Desin. I haven't ruled out Desin but I'm pretty sure about her. Why should I disregard my result?

 

[desin24]

Wow i really thought orange maf was done for
So there really are 4 members per mafia
That leaves one dark red
I only trust gnut & bel rn
Also Whyd u pass the DN to gnut when he needs his night ability @desin24

--- Double Post Merged, Nov 23, 2017, Original Post Date: Nov 23, 2017 ---

My dude exactly
Desin acting like he aint a suspect himself,him passing it to Gnut is basically him stopping gnut from investigating tonight like why when he couldve passed to it to me who doesnt have a night action and is a confirmed townie?

Why would I consider myself a suspect? The last member is part of the dark red mafia since every mafia most likely has 4 members. The same mafia as Arjuna who I killed with the Death Note. Why would I kill Arjuna? Neither him nor me where especially suspect. Cutting mafia numbers to one just to appear townie? That makes no sense at all.

I admit that giving it to gnut might not have been the best decision but I forgot to pass on the the death note in my beautiful kill message and only passed it on close to the end of the night. I trust gnut's judgement which is why I gave it to him.

 

[Gryffindor]

And what's your argument on marmaladesky since apparently she's just as suspicious as Desin. I haven't ruled out Desin but I'm pretty sure about her. Why should I disregard my result?

Marmalade hasn't made any major slip ups that I have noticed. I will not ask you to disregard your result, that is your choice. I am just pointing out the possibility that you being insane isn't foolproof. The only thing I can think of regarding Marmalade is that she played the game similar to Elusia, more active but not so much as to draw suspicion, plus she claimed BP. You might think she is telling the truth because Arjuna claimed the same role and he was obviously lying but notice how there have been two Mafia Strongmen in the game so far, Erinyes and Elusia, its also likely the final group has that as a role as well and BP is the perfect cover role for that.

I do have a question though, did you label yourself insane because gnut is sane?

 

[desin24]

Being insane doesn't guarantee your result being accurate.
Aside from Marmalade, Desin is just as suspicious. He proclaimed himself townie, and everyone just rolled with it, why did he pass the note to gnut instead of Empty when gnut needs to be able to investigate. Even if he did that because he assumed investigative abilities were no longer needed as there were only few players left as suspect, that still doesn't explain his spy results.
Night 1: inactive-fair enough, he was penalized for it.
Night 2: Vandred-ironically the last night Vandred lived
Night 3: GrySun-the night he was killed
Night 4: Lambu-the night he was killed
that's all we know, soooo convenient how his targets were mafia, that is some accuracy or is it convenience?

With Gry and Lambu it was because they held the death note and it would have been easy to catch them in lies or get hints towards my sanity. I chose Vandred because he is almost as mafia meme as Demon.

 

[Gryffindor]

With Gry and Lambu it was because they held the death note and it would have been easy to catch them in lies or get hints towards my sanity. I chose Vandred because he is almost as mafia meme as Demon.

Possibly, but you revealed those results after Lambu was gone, who is the last person you told us you targeted. So it isn't farfetched to think that you would just pull up names of players that were already gone.

Then there's also the fact that you said the argument against Monkey when he got lynched wasn't good enough and you decided to vote for Elusia instead. Sure she was mafia just like he was, but you completely disregarded the fact that Monkey accidently admitted to knowing about the DN Lambu had the night he was killed, why would you just gloss over that?

 

[EmptySoul]

Why would I consider myself a suspect? The last member is part of the dark red mafia since every mafia most likely has 4 members. The same mafia as Arjuna who I killed with the Death Note. Why would I kill Arjuna? Neither him nor me where especially suspect. Cutting mafia numbers to one just to appear townie? That makes no sense at all.

I admit that giving it to gnut might not have been the best decision but I forgot to pass on the the death note in my beautiful kill message and only passed it on close to the end of the night. I trust gnut's judgement which is why I gave it to him.

I didnt say you were maf,just that you're not confirmed

As for why you passed the DN to gnut,because you trust his judgement?
Well his judgement this entire game was due to his ability to investigate a player but fair enough
Though we'll be in a bit of trouble if he kills the wrong person tonight

 

[Belserion]

Marmalade hasn't made any major slip ups that I have noticed. I will not ask you to disregard your result, that is your choice. I am just pointing out the possibility that you being insane isn't foolproof. The only thing I can think of regarding Marmalade is that she played the game similar to Elusia, more active but not so much as to draw suspicion, plus she claimed BP. You might think she is telling the truth because Arjuna claimed the same role and he was obviously lying but notice how there have been two Mafia Strongmen in the game so far, Erinyes and Elusia, its also likely the final group has that as a role as well and BP is the perfect cover role for that.

Your game has been similar to Lambu. Floating around the edges. Very helpful. From trying to decipher clues about the note to calling out Mafia members. You haven't shown signs of slipping either. Look how that turned out. Lambu being mafia was most shocking to me I admit.

I do have a question though, did you label yourself insane because gnut is sane?

I labeled myself insane because of my results. Same as gnut. You can't exactly decide what you are on a whim.

 

[Gryffindor]

Your game has been similar to Lambu. Floating around the edges. Very helpful. From trying to decipher clues about the note to calling out Mafia members. You haven't shown signs of slipping either. Look how that turned out. Lambu being mafia was most shocking to me I admit.


I labeled myself insane because of my results. Same as gnut. You can't exactly decide what you are on a whim.

I disagree. I haven't been helpful at all. Lambu and GrySun were more similar in that they were actively trying to lynch opponents and raise suspicion in others, pompom as well and she was townie. This is my first game and I didn't want to make a bad judgement with any possible hypotheticals I came up with so I refrained from speaking and tried to go with the flow. Instead I decided to focus on deciphering the colored truths because I wanted to at least help contribute to taking down the mafia.

So you are positive that you are not a paranoid detective?

 

[Belserion]

So you are positive that you are not a paranoid detective?

Absolutely. A paranoid detective doesn't get Innocent verdicts. Would you also like to see my investigation results since night 1?

 

[desin24]

Possibly, but you revealed those results after Lambu was gone, who is the last person you told us you targeted. So it isn't farfetched to think that you would just pull up names of players that were already gone.

Then there's also the fact that you said the argument against Monkey when he got lynched wasn't good enough and you decided to vote for Elusia instead. Sure she was mafia just like he was, but you completely disregarded the fact that Monkey accidently admitted to knowing about the DN Lambu had the night he was killed, why would you just gloss over that?

That is all true. I actually did gloss over the Monkey thing, I had variable activity in this game which is why sometimes I'm very active while sometime barely manage to keep up. That said Monkey is orange mafia while the last mafia is dark red. So if you want anything against me you should try to find links between me and Arjuna or other dark red mafia. Two of the dark red mafia where my investigation targets during the nights and I killed the other one with my own hands.

votekill Gryffindor

Since gnut absolved Belserion who in turn absolved marmalade. Having at least one bulletproof makes more sense given the two strongmen/women than a restless spirit.

@Belserion would you be so kind to share your results and targets for completions sake pls

 

[Gryffindor]

That is all true. I actually did gloss over the Monkey thing, I had variable activity in this game which is why sometimes I'm very active while sometime barely manage to keep up. That said Monkey is orange mafia while the last mafia is dark red. So if you want anything against me you should try to find links between me and Arjuna or other dark red mafia. Two of the dark red mafia where my investigation targets during the nights and I killed the other one with my own hands.

votekill Gryffindor

Since gnut absolved Belserion who in turn absolved marmalade. Having at least one bulletproof makes more sense given the two strongmen/women than a restless spirit.

@Belserion would you be so kind to share your results and targets for completions sake pls

Easy. You continue to play the game as if you're townie and expect everyone to just roll along with it. You throwing Arjuna under the bus is the perfect play.

-No one would even consider the fact that a mafia with only two members remaining would purposely cut their number down to one. With everyone rolling with the notion that you are townie you'd be the least suspect person. Then you can pin the blame on Marmalade and kill of the townies while also preventing gnut from investigating you.

@Belserion yes go ahead. But her coming up as innocent isn't 100% certainty. I've stated this before. I'm here defending myself while no one other than Empty questions desin and Marmalade is offline.

 

[Belserion]

@Belserion would you be so kind to share your results and targets for completions sake pls

Night 1: Demonspeed Guilty
Night 2: Vandred (I was blocked so no result)
Night 3: Grysun Innocent
Night 4: Gnut Guilty
Night 5: Elusia Innocent
Night 6: Marmaladesky Guilty

 

[Gryffindor]

Also another thing.
Elusia said the last name written in the note she had was gnut. Why did the kill fail then? It's not because of note effectiveness, that theory doesn't have any substantial evidence backing it up, its because someone blocked the kill. You might think it was xnut, but he was hostkilled the day after and (correct me if I'm wrong) if you're hostkilled you're essentially not a player so he wouldn't be able to use a night action. So him protecting gnut doesn't fly. So how was he blocked then if no one else is claiming a protection role?

 

[desin24]

Easy. You continue to play the game as if you're townie and expect everyone to just roll along with it. You throwing Arjuna under the bus is the perfect play.

-No one would even consider the fact that a mafia with only two members remaining would purposely cut their number down to one. With everyone rolling with the notion that you are townie you'd be the least suspect person. Then you can pin the blame on Marmalade and kill of the townies while also preventing gnut from investigating you.

@Belserion yes go ahead. But her coming up as innocent isn't 100% certainty. I've stated this before. I'm here defending myself while no one other than Empty questions desin and Marmalade is offline.

It means that I would have to reduce the number of players to two instead of four. We are currently 6 players with three of them being confirmed, which you agree too.

No, that leaves 3 people.
Me, Marmalade, and you.

Which means that it is basically impossible to bring the number of players down to two people unless we start killing confirmed townies (I don't consider myself confirmed). Since Zasz is not here I'd rate that possibility as very low. Plus @gnut has another result to present which means that we will have 4 confirmed townies or maybe even one confirmed mafia if he targeted the right person. Unless he got blocked of course. Even if you lynch me there is no real chance for the mafia to win IMO.