Theory vice captain sanji

[shadow22]

oda never referred to zoro as the vice captain/first mate the idea that zoros the vice captain is a fanon idea he is always referred to as swordsman in databooks
I have to put a emphasis that luffy is associated with red which is linked with being the leader in many shows like sentai shows and In Japanese society, a method for identifying the leader of a group — be it the leader of an Ouendan or a club or group president — is to look for the red armband on the upper arm. The armband has the name of the group printed on it.
which oda likes and the second in command of power rangers etc tend to be associated with blue which is sanjis color theme

and luffy in chapter 844 said this

that sounds like something you would say about your vice captain
plus luffy looks up to shanks and his vice captain is a ben beckman who would parallel sanji in the whole smoking and confronting kizaru thing etc and there are theories that mihawk will join shanks crew after the seven warlords are disbanded and he will play zoros role as the swordsman but he wont be first mate despite being stronger than ben beckman

 

[BetaRuler]

Dawwww, you know I'm a big Sanji fan XD
I was just WAITING for big ego boosting posts for Sanji... cos honestly it feels this year has treated him very suckily ._.
I really like this theory and agree...
To chime against Zoro, as powerful as Zoro is, I can't see him as leadership material, I mean he's HAD his chances, but all he's really show interest in, is finding the strong fighters to prove his own strength. Leading others... Never went well... I mean do we need to be reminded about his senses of direction? Sure he usually accidentally lands where he needs to be in the end ANYWAY, but that means you'd be making some one a vice commander "as a joke instead" of "taking things seriously"?

 

[Sachsenhesse]

You know why zoro will always be the first mate for me? He speaks up to Luffy if he goes wrong and Luffy listens. Seen on the Usopp leaves the crew arc.
His loyalty goes even over his dream. as seen with his dialogue with mihawk, where he begs his final enemy to train him. Sanji did leave the crew for this arc, i cant imagine zoro doing that at all.

Sanjis job is cook and nothing more. I think in a SSB as a sentence that if the marines would want to destroy the strawhats they should get sanji first, because without his food they would starve to dead. Thats true, so be proud of what he can already do and dont clinge to every straw(pun) you can get. :P

 

[Kato756]

While I do think he is a cook trough and trough, considering that when hes serious (ie not fucking around because of women) hes shown to be more level headed than Zoro´s (who can still goof around based on bloodlust and shit direction sense), I could see MAYBE sanji being upgraded to tatical commander when the whole SH fleet gets assembled

 

[Shobu_Yoruichi]

Sorry, but..

The Vice Captain is the one that when the captain isn't, he takes charge and the captain is the only one who agrees on that matter. God is the vice captain

 

[kcd]

Sorry, but..

The Vice Captain is the one that when the captain isn't, he takes charge and the captain is the only one who agrees on that matter. God is the vice captain

A vice captain is one that can lead the line without shivering, especially when the captain ain't there.
I think the role doesn't suit ussop, I mean, we don't want him hiding behind zoro again just to talk to an enemy like he did in zou. If he changes that part of him then great, he may do a very good job.

On the matter, jimbei currently seems to be doing the job, sanji has good leadership skills, zoro follows rules to the letter, I don't see zoro and sanji ever agreeing or taking orders from each other, I prefer anyone else bar their two, jimbei perhaps.

 

[Shasha23]

A vice captain is one that can lead the line without shivering, especially when the captain ain't there.
I think the role doesn't suit ussop, I mean, we don't want him hiding behind zoro again just to talk to an enemy like he did in zou. If he changes that part of him then great, he may do a very good job.

On the matter, jimbei currently seems to be doing the job, sanji has good leadership skills, zoro follows rules to the letter, I don't see zoro and sanji ever agreeing or taking orders from each other, I prefer anyone else bar their two, jimbei perhaps.

We have already seen Zoro take charge and no one challenged it many times before especially during combat situation, anyway Zoro is the VC but in all honesty the real VC is Nami

 

[kcd]

We have already seen Zoro take charge and no one challenged it many times before especially during combat situation, anyway Zoro is the VC but in all honesty the real VC is Nami

Nami is really smart, this arc alone she has shown she has great leadership skills, especially stopping luffy from fighting(multiple times) as they had nothing to gain in fighting, I'll really like her or jimbei to be the official vc.
If I'm to choose between sanji and zoro, I'll go with sanji, zoro is too strict/scary for me, sanji is more of a people's person.

 

[Tias]

Oda might not have said himself that Zoro is the first mate, but he HAS had a characters in one piece refer to Zoro as either the real captain or first mate.

Back during whisky peaks Zoro was mistaken for the captain after defeating most of the baroque works (chapter 108) and during the shabody island or whatever the hell it is named the huge monk guy referred to Zoro as a kind of guy who doesn't look like he takes orders from anyone and that he is only the first mate, which had to speak volumes of the captain (after Zoro tried to slice up one of the tenryubito).
So yeah, there you have it.

Zoro is the vice captain.

 

[Athanor]

and luffy in chapter 844 said this

that sounds like something you would say about your vice captain

On this, Luffy would have said this about every crewmember of the Strawhats. The sentence "Without you, i won't... I can't become the Pirate King wasn't ment because of his skills. It was ment that he can't become Pirate King without his Friends by his side.

plus luffy looks up to shanks and his vice captain is a ben beckman who would parallel sanji in the whole smoking and confronting kizaru thing etc and there are theories that mihawk will join shanks crew after the seven warlords are disbanded and he will play zoros role as the swordsman but he wont be first mate despite being stronger than ben beckman

Yeah, sure Luffy looks up to Shanks, but his real role model is Roger and there are more similarities between Roger and Luffy than Shanks and Luffy. And Roger started his Journey with a, at first uninterested guy, who became his right hand and vice captain. Furthermore Shanks never showed any interest in becomming Pirate King, else he mostlikly would already be the Pirate King. Like Whitebeard he just protects the Throne for someone worth to be Pirate King.

And about the striking back thing, Franky also asked for permission, to go wild on dressrosa. The real vicecaptain would have acted directly to protect the crew and not ask for permission. A vicecaptain is someone, who takes responsibility for his acting and don't encumber the responsibilty to the captain by asking. He does think and act on his own for the sake of the crew, even if it means to give up his greatest strength or ambitions. If Sanji would be the vicecaptain, he wouldn't have hesitated on sacrificing his hands a second. He would have just cut them off or let the ties exdplode on WCI to escape Big Mom and the Germa. The whole arc started with Sanji doesn't trust his crew enough and a vicecaptain should trust his crew.

Nami is really smart, this arc alone she has shown she has great leadership skills, especially stopping luffy from fighting(multiple times) as they had nothing to gain in fighting, I'll really like her or jimbei to be the official vc.
If I'm to choose between sanji and zoro, I'll go with sanji, zoro is too strict/scary for me, sanji is more of a people's person.

With Luffy as the captain, there is absolute no need in this crew for a vice captain, which is more of a people's person ;-) Don't forget that the Strawhats would have broken up in long term, if Zoro hadn't stopped Luffy from running to Usopp in Water7.

 

[Mifec]

Oda might not have said himself that Zoro is the first mate, but he HAS had a characters in one piece refer to Zoro as either the real captain or first mate.

Back during whisky peaks Zoro was mistaken for the captain after defeating most of the baroque works (chapter 108) and during the shabody island or whatever the hell it is named the huge monk guy referred to Zoro as a kind of guy who doesn't look like he takes orders from anyone and that he is only the first mate, which had to speak volumes of the captain (after Zoro tried to slice up one of the tenryubito).
So yeah, there you have it.

Zoro is the vice captain.

Yup, Zoro is the Rayleigh/first mate of the crew.

 

[Hannibal Psyche]

- Stephen's Translation

Zoro is the vice-captain/second in command.

Just because Luffy said he won't leave without Sanji is only showing his resolve that he trusts Sanji will return and that he needs him. Sanji is just as indispensable as Chopper in that sense. He would have said the same thing to Chopper if he were in Sanji's position right now. It really has nothing to do with Sanji possible being 2nd in command.

The lengths fans of Sanji will go through is just staggering, lol.

 

[Athanor]

Just because Luffy said he won't leave without Sanji is only showing his resolve that he trusts Sanji will return and that he needs him. Sanji is just as indispensable as Chopper in that sense. He would have said the same thing to Chopper if he were in Sanji's position right now. It really has nothing to do with Sanji possible being 2nd in command.

Exactly what i said, Luffy would have said the same to every crewmember. With the mostlikely replacement of Sanji by Jinbei in the "Monster-Trio", the hardcore Sanji fans try to pick every straw they can find xD

 

[kcd]

Exactly what i said, Luffy would have said the same to every crewmember. With the mostlikely replacement of Sanji by Jinbei in the "Monster-Trio", the hardcore Sanji fans try to pick every straw they can find xD

That's not entirely true, he won't say it that way to every crew member.
When usopp challenged him, he fought back, beat the crap out of him, and walked out, against Sanji he didn't fight back, took the beating and said without him he can't become the pirate king, of course he still wanted usopp back but It seems like I missed the chapter he took beating from usopp because he didn't want to lose him. See, all men are born equal but some are more equal than others.

 

[Hannibal Psyche]

That's not entirely true, he won't say it that way to every crew member.
When usopp challenged him, he fought back, beat the crap out of him, and walked out, against Sanji he didn't fight back, took the beating and said without him he can't become the pirate king, of course he still wanted usopp back but It seems like I missed the chapter he took beating from usopp because he didn't want to lose him. See, all men are born equal but some are more equal than others.

Different situation. Luffy knew something was up with Sanji and was being coerced while Usopp was fighting out of his own conviction. Completely different situations. It has nothing to do with Luffy preferring Sanji over Usopp, Usopp went out of line on his own volition, not because Franky threatened to kill his friends and family, and Usopp felt he needed to deter Luffy somehow in order to ensure his safety.

It's like comparing Usopp leaving to Nico Robin, grossly different. If anything, Robin and Sanji attempting to leave the crew is similar; Usopp is different kettle of fish.

 

[M3J]

Nami is the vice captain. Not Sanji or Zoro come even close. Hell, one can argue she's also an acting captain until Luffy gets serious or has to make an important decision. Sanji's a better choice over Zoro, but Nami is arguably the best choice to be next in charge, if not in charge in general.

 

[hokageji]

Zoro cant be the vice-captain cos under his direction, they'll back to East Blue....

 

[shadow22]

Exactly what i said, Luffy would have said the same to every crewmember. With the mostlikely replacement of Sanji by Jinbei in the "Monster-Trio", the hardcore Sanji fans try to pick every straw they can find xD

sanji is stronger than jinbe
https://aminoapps.com/c/one-piece/p...han-jimbei/LjDm_E3s8uweW7jRPKX50Y6PwKvaGK8620

 

[inthecity]

I agree vice captain is Nami.

 

[M3J]

sanji is stronger than jinbe
https://aminoapps.com/c/one-piece/p...han-jimbei/LjDm_E3s8uweW7jRPKX50Y6PwKvaGK8620

He may be, but how long can Sanji fight for? Jinbei fought for days, whereas we've yet to see Sanji fight for hours despite his excellent stamina and durability. If Sanji doesn't win within a time limit, he might face significant trouble. No doubt Sanji is a great and severely underrated fighter, but even Jinbei is nothing to scoff at.

though, I see Sanji being a vice captain before Zoro, and Nami being the actual vice captain and sometimes captain.