Discussion Is Assault Mode a weaker form than current Meliodas?

[Commanderaxe]

Since Meliodas was last in Assault mode, its been implied that his darkness has been growing and was stated by Merlin at least twice as she constantly used terms such as "regressing" and "darkness is swelling even further".

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And then there's the mark difference

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Assault mode has more of a crown like appearance where the mark extends down his temple

In this pic here you can see the lines on his temple receding and the circle being completed

His current mark is very similar to Estarossa's flashback

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However currently his mark is even more complete than it was back then which is what I suppose Merlin was talking about. This dude's strength is all over the place. I believe however his current form is his true max power

 

[Demonspeed]

Meliodas is currently in Assault Mode. He got stronger since last time and the mark is different, but it doesn't mean it can't take the same shape as before. He was at full power before so it should be how it is at full power.

On the last picture, Meliodas is not in Assault Mode.

 

[Commanderaxe]

Meliodas is currently in Assault Mode. He got stronger since last time and the mark is different, but it doesn't mean it can't take the same shape as before. He was at full power before so it should be how it is at full power.

On the last picture, Meliodas is not in Assault Mode.

So assault mode is a different form altogether than his regular god slaying days? Back during the holy war he could power up to assault mode since that wasnt his base back then? Because I thought Merlin said Assault mode was how he was like 3k years ago, so if that picture with the ten commandments isn't him in Assault mode why did Merlin make the statement?

Altho you're right this mode could currently just be a stronger Assault mode than previously. We do know that the mark indicates a change in power of some sort, and the more complete the mark the more powerful he becomes. His mark has changed since he fought Escanor which potentially as Merlin said meant either his Assault mode wasn't complete or he has transcended back to an even older version of himself but I think it's the former.

 

[MrSchmitty7]

So assault mode is a different form altogether than his regular god slaying days? Back during the holy war he could power up to assault mode since that wasnt his base back then? Because I thought Merlin said Assault mode was how he was like 3k years ago, so if that picture with the ten commandments isn't him in Assault mode why did Merlin make the statement?

Altho you're right this mode could currently just be a stronger Assault mode than previously. We do know that the mark indicates a change in power of some sort, and the more complete the mark the more powerful he becomes. His mark has changed since he fought Escanor which potentially as Merlin said meant either his Assault mode wasn't complete or he has transcended back to an even older version of himself but I think it's the former.

There were probably times when he deactivated it during the past 3k years. He said he fought with his younger brothers in the past, so he had to have been holding back to some degree or he probably would have killed them by accident. That and/or he was slowly gaining empathetic emotions as time went on. It really all depends on what time that was after he met Elizabeth. But Id imagine that he’s at his peak, but occasionally gets small fragments of power. The demon king said that there was just one more step, and then he acknowledges that Mel is worthy to be his successor just a few chapters later, so I don’t think we’ll see any drastic changes to assault mode unless Mel gets the demon king’s magic.

 

[Commanderaxe]

There were probably times when he deactivated it during the past 3k years. He said he fought with his younger brothers in the past, so he had to have been holding back to some degree or he probably would have killed them by accident. That and/or he was slowly gaining empathetic emotions as time went on. It really all depends on what time that was after he met Elizabeth. But Id imagine that he’s at his peak, but occasionally gets small fragments of power. The demon king said that there was just one more step, and then he acknowledges that Mel is worthy to be his successor just a few chapters later, so I don’t think we’ll see any drastic changes to assault mode unless Mel gets the demon king’s magic.

Possibly. I would've imagined it as sort of a static non changing form of his. I mean Melascylla said it was the form he was in during his reign as leader, I didnt really get the sense that it was something he can turn off and on at will. Seems like it was the form he used throughout his entire reign. Altho this current form is supposedly stronger than when he fought Escanor and yet his mark is so different from Assault's which also puzzles me even more. So perhaps his "full" Assault mode is when his mark is circular without the lines down his temple.

 

[MOLESTERMAN]

I think the Mel who woke up after he got defeated by Escanor is weaker. The "dakrness" in his whole body is now reducing and he can remember things from the past. So IMO, The Meliodas who fought with Escanor was his peak.

 

[Commanderaxe]

I think the Mel who woke up after he got defeated by Escanor is weaker. The "dakrness" in his whole body is now reducing and he can remember things from the past. So IMO, The Meliodas who fought with Escanor was his peak.

That directly contradicts both of Merlin's statement's though. Even right before he woke up she stated the darkness in him was growing even stronger. Also emotions are what weakens demons, not memories. All that means is he now has more control over his darkness which was what was repressing his memories in the first place, which show's even greater prowess. All signs point to current Mel being his peak

 

[MrSchmitty7]

Possibly. I would've imagined it as sort of a static non changing form of his. I mean Melascylla said it was the form he was in during his reign as leader, I didnt really get the sense that it was something he can turn off and on at will. Seems like it was the form he used throughout his entire reign. Altho this current form is supposedly stronger than when he fought Escanor and yet his mark is so different from Assault's which also puzzles me even more. So perhaps his "full" Assault mode is when his mark is circular without the lines down his temple.

From what Merlin implied Assault Mode appears to be another transformation caused by certain requirements reacting with the darkness. In Mel’s case the requirements are that he has to be evil enough to achieve this level of dark power

But putting that note aside, if Merlin said that it was just darkness then it should follow the standard rules of darkness that the rest of the demons who use darkness follow. So if it’s no different from Zeldris’ darkness (minus the greater power) for example, then it should be able to be deactivated and what not. Plus after Mel got knocked out his darkness did fade away to some degree, so we at least know that he has to have somewhat of a conscious effort to maintain this power.

 

[Commanderaxe]

From what Merlin implied Assault Mode appears to be another transformation caused by certain requirements reacting with the darkness. In Mel’s case the requirements are that he has to be evil enough to achieve this level of dark power

But putting that note aside, if Merlin said that it was just darkness then it should follow the standard rules of darkness that the rest of the demons who use darkness follow. So if it’s no different from Zeldris’ darkness (minus the greater power) for example, then it should be able to be deactivated and what not. Plus after Mel got knocked out his darkness did fade away to some degree, so we at least know that he has to have somewhat of a conscious effort to maintain this power.

It seems his Assault mode mark was still there after he lost consciousness

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I mean Merlin said that he was unable to control the darkness within him and that it had taken over both his memories and soul, not that it was a requirement for Assault mode. I feel that that Assault mode against Escanor was an incomplete one, caused by the Darkness taking full control of his memories and soul as she stated. His current form however is him taking control of the darkness rather than him being controlled by it. Which is how he was able to take his memories back from it. I suppose in the end this is currently just a more refined Assault mode.

As for other demons, they've never really been controlled by their darkness barring indura so it's kinda hard to scale with them. Meliodas in Assault mode was taken over by the darkness, both in soul and memories, however when he was in control, it was more circular. Other demon's such as Zeldris just increase the size of their mark, however they keep their sanity and mind intact. Meliodas is different though, one mode is where he was taken over by the Darkness, and the other where he has much more control. I think my final conclusion is that against Escanor was a version of him which was controlled by Darkness, and the flashback Mel and current Mel are ones where he's cold and calculating but still in control. Melascylla recognized that power and made the connection between that level of power and his former self as leader perhaps. Although you could be right and Assault mode with the crown is a powered up mode although why go to his powered up mode if all he intended was to play around with Escanor? Not to mention he was still in it even after losing consciousness. I do hope Nakaba at least mentions something about this

 

[Demonspeed]

So assault mode is a different form altogether than his regular god slaying days?.

Yes. Merascylla said he only went Assault Mode at times and in these situations the other Commandments avoided him.

 

[Commanderaxe]

Yes. Merascylla said he only went Assault Mode at times and in these situations the other Commandments avoided him.

When did she specifically say at certain times?

 

[Demonspeed]

When did she specifically say at certain times?

She didn't exactly say that. But Assault Mode happened when he lost control. He was not like that all the time. Assault Mode is clearly represented by the PoD coat and everything.

 

[Commanderaxe]

She didn't exactly say that. But Assault Mode happened when he lost control. He was not like that all the time. Assault Mode is clearly represented by the PoD coat and everything.

Same with his current form. Which is why as I previously stated his current form is just a more refined version of the one that fought against Escanor. A more in control Assault mode

 

[Baum]

When did she specifically say at certain times?

She didn't say it outright, iirc. But it's heavily implied that Meliodas wasn't in AM 100% of the time, otherwise Mera wouldn't have specified that the Commandments avoided him while he was in Assault Mode

 

[Commanderaxe]

She didn't say it outright, iirc. But it's heavily implied that Meliodas wasn't in AM 100% of the time, otherwise Mera wouldn't have specified that the Commandments avoided him while he was in Assault Mode

From what I read she said " This is the Meliodas that even we feared back then". There's nothing there to suggest they feared him during specific times. Not a single demon states that it was exclusive to certain periods. Even Estarossa said he was terrifying throughout his entire reign http://img.mangastream.com/cdn/manga/99/3436/06.png

 

[Demonspeed]

Same with his current form. Which is why as I previously stated his current form is just a more refined version of the one that fought against Escanor. A more in control Assault mode

Yes, he is currently in Assault Mode. But as long as there is no PoD coat on him, he is not in Assault Mode so, he was not like this all the time. Assault Mode also made him lose control of himself. In the flashback with Kid Estarossa, Meliodas is not in Assault Mode.

In Chapter 195 we have a Meliodas who is acting more like his old self, he still has his memories and is nowhere as powerful as in AM. The one in the flashback was the same.

 

[Commanderaxe]

Yes, he is currently in Assault Mode. But as long as there is no PoD coat on him, he is not in Assault Mode so, he was not like this all the time. Assault Mode also made him lose control of himself. In the flashback with Kid Estarossa, Meliodas is not in Assault Mode.

In Chapter 195 we have a Meliodas who is acting more like his old self, he still has his memories and is nowhere as powerful as in AM. The one in the flashback was the same.

The one in the flashback was cold and murderous. Someone without a care in the world whether someone lives or dies. His mark in 195 was still quite different than the one in the flashback. Not to mention in 195 could be switched off. No where was it implied that Meliodas had moments where he could switch off his mark and act based on emotion. Neither Melascylla nor Estarossa implied anywhere close to that. They've all stated throughout his entire reign leading up to his defection, he was cold and feared by all.

Also you have no clue whether Assault mode requires PoD coat or not. You literally just made that up a second ago lol. Not stated anywhere in the manga or supported in any way. Only reason he even lost his clothing is because he lost control of his darkness and it literally ripped his clothing apart during his rage. Back when he was leader of the 10c, the very same time in which Melascyulla said he was in Assault mode, he wore clothing. There is not a single shred of evidence pointing to Assault mode requiring clothing's of darkness.

 

[Demonspeed]

The one in the flashback was cold and murderous. Someone without a care in the world whether someone lives or dies. His mark in 195 was still quite different than the one in the flashback. Not to mention in 195 could be switched off. No where was it implied that Meliodas had moments where he could switch off his mark and act based on emotion. Neither Melascylla nor Estarossa implied anywhere close to that. They've all stated throughout his entire reign leading up to his defection, he was cold and feared by all.

What? The mark is very similar to the one in the flashback and it spread even below his eye later. Where has it ever be said that Meliodas can't switch off his mark? It should be common sense that he can. You can't assume that he was simply cold and murderous when he has only been seen killing weakling on a single page. He has been seen without his mark during the majority of the manga.

Also you have no clue whether Assault mode requires PoD coat or not. You literally just made that up a second ago lol. Not stated anywhere in the manga or supported in any way. Only reason he even lost his clothing is because he lost control of his darkness and it literally ripped his clothing apart during his rage. Back when he was leader of the 10c, the very same time in which Melascyulla said he was in Assault mode, he wore clothing. There is not a single shred of evidence pointing to Assault mode requiring clothing's of darkness.

Assault Mode happens when he loses control of his darkness. His PL rises and he becomes cruel. Assault Mode is a form, without that darkness spreading all over his body, it doesn't qualify as one. If you think that the shape fo the mark is what indicates Assault Mode then I don't know what else I can say to convince you. It's quite obvious.

 

[AvatarReiko]

Meliodas power confuses the hell outta me. In the beginning of the manga we're told that Mel had half his power sealed away by the druids.The power he had during the war. We see him regain that power in chapter 131, which raised his base to 30k(60k with Demon Mark). Then he powers up yet again when he goes to purgatory, which raised his PL even further. However, we're then told this was still nowhere near his full power as powers up again when he enters AM. Merascula and Merlin then states that this Mel was the one from 3000 years ago. But now it's shown that he's growing even stronger for somehow for some reason. To the point where he destroyed Pre-Noon Escanor and both Esta and Zel(with DK power) without even trying. His current PL is currently 142k. It seems like just keeps getting power up after power. Can someone please explain it to me.

This is what I got in my head
Controlled AM Mel(Current)>>>Berserker AM Mel=TCM Mel>>>Post-Purgatory Mel>>> Unsealed Emotions Mel(30k)>>>Sealed Mel(3k)
It's laughable how his PL was only mere 3k at the start.

EDIT: Not sure where Holy War Mel would rank. He might be the same as TCM Mel

 

[MrSchmitty7]

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It seems his Assault mode mark was still there after he lost consciousness

http://images.mangafreak.net/mangas...su_no_taizai_233/nanatsu_no_taizai_233_12.jpg
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I mean Merlin said that he was unable to control the darkness within him and that it had taken over both his memories and soul, not that it was a requirement for Assault mode. I feel that that Assault mode against Escanor was an incomplete one, caused by the Darkness taking full control of his memories and soul as she stated. His current form however is him taking control of the darkness rather than him being controlled by it. Which is how he was able to take his memories back from it. I suppose in the end this is currently just a more refined Assault mode.

As for other demons, they've never really been controlled by their darkness barring indura so it's kinda hard to scale with them. Meliodas in Assault mode was taken over by the darkness, both in soul and memories, however when he was in control, it was more circular. Other demon's such as Zeldris just increase the size of their mark, however they keep their sanity and mind intact. Meliodas is different though, one mode is where he was taken over by the Darkness, and the other where he has much more control. I think my final conclusion is that against Escanor was a version of him which was controlled by Darkness, and the flashback Mel and current Mel are ones where he's cold and calculating but still in control. Melascylla recognized that power and made the connection between that level of power and his former self as leader perhaps. Although you could be right and Assault mode with the crown is a powered up mode although why go to his powered up mode if all he intended was to play around with Escanor? Not to mention he was still in it even after losing consciousness. I do hope Nakaba at least mentions something about this

Yeah the mark was there, but some of the assault mode like the jacket part had faded away after he fell unconscious. Plus when Mel used his 1,000 slashes he used the entirety of his darkness to surround him, so odds are without that part of the darkness he probably lost some power. Also, I think that power wise Mel had full control of his skills, but mentally the darkness was corrupting his mind. Plus from what the Demon King implied earlier he only had one more step to go, so any changes to assault mode were not drastic. He might have gained a tad bit more power, but other than that the only noticeable change is that he has his memories back. Basically Mel had full control of his power, but just not his personality. He still was sentient, but not in his right mind. I don’t think darkness can physically control an individual and influence their skills. Even melascula who was basically created by the darkness still has her own unique fighting style because darkness is not a sentient aspect. It can mess with their minds and corrupt an individual by its negative nature, but any attacks/ power seem to come from them. Plus if the darkness takes complete control, then Mel by being consumed by it should have been animal like because individuals who give themselves completely to the dark have that same pattern. Indura would be a similar example when you let yourself be taken by the darkness. Berserker mode as well.

As for why other demons haven’t been controlled like Mel, I guess it has to do with their emotional state. From what the manga has shown there appears to be a direct relationship between vileness and dark powers. (Derieri vs Nerobasta, Chandler vs The Sins for example)