1.) Where did baby El come from? During Zarathras' flashback, we saw Mel walking out of the destroyed Danafor with a baby Elizabeth in tow but that would have been mere moments after "Liz" was killed. Are we to assume that Elizabeth's "soul" is reborn in the nearest infant? How did Mel know she'd be reborn in Danafor or where to find her? Did our Elie's birth parents die?
Liz's memories
2.) Did "Liz" ever regain her memories of her "goddess life" before Fraundrin killed her? Mel stated that Elizabeth will always ultimately regain her memories
Elizabeth's face
3.) Do all of Elizabeth's "incarnations" actually look the same or does Nakaba just draw them that way for us readers? Other than small differences like hair colour and body shape, the three "Elizabeths"we've seen thus far have had more or less the same face. In fact, Current Elie and Goddess Elie are identical bar the wings.
1.) Where did baby El come from? During Zarathras' flashback, we saw Mel walking out of the destroyed Danafor with a baby Elizabeth in tow but that would have been mere moments after "Liz" was killed. Are we to assume that Elizabeth's "soul" is reborn in the nearest infant? How did Mel know she'd be reborn in Danafor or where to find her? Did our Elie's birth parents die?
2.) Did "Liz" ever regain her memories of her "goddess life" before Fraundrin killed her? Mel stated that Elizabeth will always ultimately regain her memories
3.) Do all of Elizabeth's "incarnations" actually look the same or does Nakaba just draw them that way for us readers? Other than small differences like hair colour and body shape, the three "Elizabeths"we've seen thus far have had more or less the same face. In fact, Current Elie and Goddess Elie are identical bar the wings.
1. She is reincarnated as soon as the previous one dies, so I suppose she was born in to the infant as soon as Liz died. How Meliodas knew that she would be reincarnated in Danafor, or even knew which baby it was, I have no idea. 2. When was it stated that she ultimately will regain her memories? Maybe I missed it but as far as I remember Meliodas will meet Elizabeth, she will inevitably fall in love with him, and she will die before him. Also, in the recent Q&A, Nakaba said that there was instances where she died of old age, instead of regaining her memories.
In Liz's case, I just think that she thought that she and Meliodas would meet on the other side or something, because it seems unlikely to me that Fraudrin told her about the curse, since he didn't even know it was real. 3. Meliodas stated that Elizabeth will always be reborn in the same form, meaning that she has the same face, body and voice. Everything else is unique to the each reincarnation, like personality, age they meet, age she dies, etc.
1. She is reincarnated as soon as the previous one dies, so I suppose she was born in to the infant as soon as Liz died. How Meliodas knew that she would be reincarnated in Danafor, or even knew which baby it was, I have no idea. 2. When was it stated that she ultimately will regain her memories? Maybe I missed it but as far as I remember Meliodas will meet Elizabeth, she will inevitably fall in love with him, and she will die before him. Also, in the recent Q&A, Nakaba said that there was instances where she died of old age, instead of regaining her memories.
In Liz's case, I just think that she thought that she and Meliodas would meet on the other side or something, because it seems unlikely to me that Fraudrin told her about the curse, since he didn't even know it was real. 3. Meliodas stated that Elizabeth will always be reborn in the same form, meaning that she has the same face, body and voice. Everything else is unique to the each reincarnation, like personality, age they meet, age she dies, etc.
1. They were asking about the mechanics of it, a mystery we've been struggling with since Jenna confirmed Ellie was Liz reincarnated. It's gotten more difficult to clarify that since Mel's trial/memory trip has different versions of Liz's last moments, in some of them Fraudrin's missing completely when he finds her toppled and dying, then he loses control and conjures that beam of Darkness, but in Elizabeth's "visit" in his memories with Zaratras and Hawk, he summons hellblaze and it's drawn so oddly that it's still unclear whether we were only watching his outburst consuming the city or we're already seeing her wings of light quenching it...and moments later Mel shows up from the charred pit with sleeping toddler Ellie who's completely unscathed. I like to think, as Demonspeed said, that she simply "respawns" and that at that moment her magic manifests outside of her control, "recreating" her body and manifesting the Ark wings while doing it. Plus, this would explain how she survived his rampaging Darkness. While manifesting her goddess power she has far better defense/endurance to PoD, especially if the demon manifesting it was at a PL of only 32500.
So far, all of the circumstances presented in all versions of the fall of Danafor don't really allow for an actual "birth" to occur, not without Mel killing the human mother who was supposed to give birth to her(and even Elizabeth, but she survived the major bbq that left even Fraudrin comatose), and if that woman was already pregnant, then it'd be very creepy(since Ellie would end up possessing another human's body, not being "reborn" as one). Mel can sense and recognise her magic(awakened or not)/life-energy, it was shown in the Vaizel Maze that they're both so attuned to each-other, they can recognise each-other across a heavily enchanted wall that otherwise bars other magic users from sensing or recognising people across it the same way. It'd be even easier if she respawned 2 feet away from him.
2. No matter how hard I try to accept it, that Q&A makes far too little sense to me, cause the old age situation contradicts the very essence and objective of the 2 curses, the curses are supposed torment the "wretched woman" who ruined the DC and to force Meliodas to either commit suicide and enable the DK to "consume" his emotions, or convince Mel to simply give into his darkness to reach pretty much the same insensitive state(and both circumstances would be brought forward by giving him enough despair by enabling Elizabeth to become aware of him, fall in love with him and recalling everything for her curse and the torture device against Mel to activate) and they shouldn't be allowing loopholes like the one mentioned tin the Q&A, which was anyway pretty much contradicted by the canon argument between Elizabeth and Meliodas in 248: she actually asked why wouldn't he avoid her(the excuse the people believing the Q&A had thought up) and let her be to have a different life and he go for another lover and he stated that it's impossible, he can't avoid her, also implying he was unable(in all of her previous lifetimes) to avoid her or to trigger her curse which ends up torturing him and helping the DK with his "recovery" project. The way the 2 curses have been explained so far, they're in an unbreakable tandem, slowly, but certainly pushing Mel into the corner he's into now.
IK some would say that it's possible for Mel to still end up being tortured by having to watch her from afar leading a life without him, but empathetic Mel was shown to be able to put her well-being and happiness above his own and her curse having that loophole where she can avoid Mel and falling for him etc doesn't match the sadistic DK's MO or his level of animosity towards her nor his intentions for his son. This is one Q&A I can't trust due to the plot and in story character development so far.
Besides, Liz had the side-bangs implying she'd awakened part of her power before meeting Mel and made the same choice as in her next lifetime, letting her bangs grow on the right side to hide her eye(which ought to be very inconvenient to a fighter when said eye is perfectly healthy). Not to mention that it's odd that a beautiful young woman raised as a slave and who had reached only Twiggo's combat level would still be deemed "special" enough to be allowed to become a fighter/knight instead of being forced into a very different lifestyle, and on top of it all, be trusted with taking part into a secret assault on a pretty powerful kingdom. Yes, it failed, but we don't know how or why, if it wasn't Mel himself who captured them. Then they slowly ended up in the very romantic relationship her curse is both set up to enable and tear apart. So far, there's nothing contradicting the fact that Fraudrin got to kill Elizabeth back in Danafor as it being the curse coming to fruition once she recovers her memory.
3. Sorry, but there's nothing unique, beyond outfits, levels of education(which haven't realistically or heavily influenced her personality) and hairdos to the 4 "incarnations" we've seen so far. If we start in depth analysing her in those forms, we'll end up with her being analogue to a prism with rainbow coloured facets that only seems different when looked at from a different angle, but not missing the other facets. Which leaves us with an Elizabeth who was simply adjusting to her various circumstances while growing up to be the same person every single time, regardless of how different her upbringing was.
I fully agree with 1. and 2., but we have to remember the circumstances of Rou's reincarnation are different, he was reincarnated according to the generally considered to be the "natural" process, while Elizabeth's is confirmed to be heavily orchestrated. Oh, and Cain Barzad's first reaction to Ellie was calling her Liz and noting that they looked identical(I suppose he meant face+body form+age range).
The curse of perpetual reincarnation transcend both space and time - I think trying to make logic or sense out of it will never end well.
Honestly there are too many questions around how Elizabeth curse functions, so either Nakaba will reveal the answers or just leave it (probs leave it).
