Discussion How will Koon and Rak keep up with Baam

[Paiva]

After the hidden floor arc, we can confidently say that Baam will be at the very least, same level as Zahard was after completing the revolution in the train.
That would most likely make Baam as strong as a weak ranker, dare I say stronger because Zahard is a beast and to be able to learn and master the source of shinsoo, new attributes, the power of the monster devil inside him, plus his already beastly physical abilities, probably puts him already at the mid level rankers if not high rankers. Baam will be at that level, but what of Koon and Rak? Things are looking hopeless for them, literally will be small fishes swimming with a whale when they leave the hidden floor at this rate

 

[kkck]

I have the same concern... and I am afraid the answer is... they won't. Plain and simple. The stuff that makes bam as strong as he is relates to bam being an irregular... With access a thorn and even admin like powers. Khun and rak keeping up with bam would be absurd given the context we have. The only thing khun has going for him is enna core. Enna core is potentially the only skill khun has that will remain relevant to bam since even evan thought he and yuri could use it. I guess khun could have rapid strength increase if he changes his style and develops his spear bearing and lightning but it won't be enough to support ban.

 

[Ripcord]

I have the same concern... and I am afraid the answer is... they won't. Plain and simple. The stuff that makes bam as strong as he is relates to bam being an irregular... With access a thorn and even admin like powers. Khun and rak keeping up with bam would be absurd given the context we have. The only thing khun has going for him is enna core. Enna core is potentially the only skill khun has that will remain relevant to bam since even evan thought he and yuri could use it. I guess khun could have rapid strength increase if he changes his style and develops his spear bearing and lightning but it won't be enough to support ban.

The only way I see them keeping up is clan secret techniques. Maybe Khun showing spear skills on the train was just for fun but maybe it was foreshadowing his potential growth. Ran has the lightning pill... but I’m not sure that’s Aguero’s style.

As far as Rak... there’s hope he will find something clan related this arc. But it’s just a hope at this point.

 

[Demonspeed]

They don't have to keep up with Baam to be reliable They are currently not at his level anyway, it's impossible. But we have seen less of their abilities compared to Baam.

And they are not the only members of the team. The power level differences between members are big.

 

[kkck]

They don't have to keep up with Baam to be reliable They are currently not at his level anyway, it's impossible. But we have seen less of their abilities compared to Baam.

And they are not the only members of the team. The power level differences between members are big.

Yeah but... There is an actual possibility that bam will be comparable to a ranker by the time the arc ends. And if that happens then even bam defeating karaka soon is not unlikely. There has to be a point at which their skills are not sufficient to bam's needs... Kinda like the idea of the kids being capable of supporting yuri and evan. Khun was given the task but only because he was also given enna core.

 

[Paiva]

Other thing as well is that Khun wants to be the leader of his family and he seems very certain he can get there, I dont think Siu would make his aspirations so massive if he wasnt planning on getting Khun to a family leader level, which we are starting to see more and more how Godly it is. What would be exciting is if Edahn decides to train Khun along with Baam, he would be the perfect teacher for him, if that happens, its very likely that we will see a completely different Khun at the end of this arc

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As for Rak, so far he has been the most mysterious, no one knows his background and that may be the key to a possible power up in the future, what I like about this arc is that they all get to see the level of two family leaders and some high rankers when they were just regulars, it might push them to get stronger faster.

 

[Ripcord]

Other thing as well is that Khun wants to be the leader of his family and he seems very certain he can get there, I dont think Siu would make his aspirations so massive if he wasnt planning on getting Khun to a family leader level, which we are starting to see more and more how Godly it is. What would be exciting is if Edahn decides to train Khun along with Baam, he would be the perfect teacher for him, if that happens, its very likely that we will see a completely different Khun at the end of this arc

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As for Rak, so far he has been the most mysterious, no one knows his background and that may be the key to a possible power up in the future, what I like about this arc is that they all get to see the level of two family leaders and some high rankers when they were just regulars, it might push them to get stronger faster.

Also remember that the 13 travelers took all the tests from the administrators which are considered a lot harder than those given in the current timeline. These were most likely harder tests.

 

[Siya101]

Koon can use jeonsulsa

He used it fighting yura ha while he was on the lighthouse

Source season 2 ep.163 or 164

 

[Paiva]

Koon can use jeonsulsa

He used it fighting yura ha while he was on the lighthouse

Source season 2 ep.163 or 164

I think it comes naturally to them, but not at the level of Edahn. So far only Ran looked to be close to that kind of mastery and that required a lightning pill

 

[Ripcord]

I realized today that the gang has been split up before and that may happen again.

Baam was taken by FUG and trained separately such that he surpassed his former companions but only slightly. I didn’t like that preWorkshop arc at first, but once SIU completed it I realized how big the risk payed off (in storytelling).

Granted if Baam separates from his main companions to train or complete some difficult tasks without them, it’s hard to see how his friends catch up. Still this may be a way for SIU to allow them to climb in parallel, where his friends join back in at various parts but they don’t climb together all the time. Case in point, Shibisu and his team avoided the Hell Train and we will meet up with them later on.

Also there is some precedence for Family traits coming out. Yihwa already showed some of her true flame and Khun is right here in front of his dad’s data which is as good as a second chance to learn clan techniques as any. And maybe Rak has some of his race on the hidden floor to help him.

TBH I don’t see Androssi having a hard time keeping up with Baam. We don’t know her lineage but right now she’s got Yuri in her corner.

In conclusion, it hasn’t been unusual for SIU to have people with multiple power levels travel together, not just on Baam’s team but on many teams. It’s true they all need to get stronger but they might not do it together.

 

[kkck]

I realized today that the gang has been split up before and that may happen again.

Baam was taken by FUG and trained separately such that he surpassed his former companions but only slightly. I didn’t like that preWorkshop arc at first, but once SIU completed it I realized how big the risk payed off (in storytelling).

Granted if Baam separates from his main companions to train or complete some difficult tasks without them, it’s hard to see how his friends catch up. Still this may be a way for SIU to allow them to climb in parallel, where his friends join back in at various parts but they don’t climb together all the time. Case in point, Shibisu and his team avoided the Hell Train and we will meet up with them later on.

Also there is some precedence for Family traits coming out. Yihwa already showed some of her true flame and Khun is right here in front of his dad’s data which is as good as a second chance to learn clan techniques as any. And maybe Rak has some of his race on the hidden floor to help him.

TBH I don’t see Androssi having a hard time keeping up with Baam. We don’t know her lineage but right now she’s got Yuri in her corner.

In conclusion, it hasn’t been unusual for SIU to have people with multiple power levels travel together, not just on Baam’s team but on many teams. It’s true they all need to get stronger but they might not do it together.

But... androsi already can't seem to keep up. At least until the name hunt station she was able to keep up, considering the point was made that she could in theory beat elaine, however bam got a massive power boost in the middle of the fight and ultimately beat her rather easily with it. And then he learned shinwonryu at the hell train and got yet another power boost at the floor of death. It is certain that androsi has grow stronger through all of this but I don't see how she could reasonably keep up with bam after the name hunt station. And now bam has 1 month to beat zahard...

Family traits coming are is a real possibility for khun though I am not sure khun's lightning is quite the same as yeon's flame. Yiwah's flame is certainly ridiculous and could actually help her keep up with bam a little longer... Current chibi zahard has already been compared to a ranker... Bam even matching zahard nowadays would mean that the same comparison applies to him.

 

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But... androsi already can't seem to keep up. At least until the name hunt station she was able to keep up, considering the point was made that she could in theory beat elaine, however bam got a massive power boost in the middle of the fight and ultimately beat her rather easily with it. And then he learned shinwonryu at the hell train and got yet another power boost at the floor of death. It is certain that androsi has grow stronger through all of this but I don't see how she could reasonably keep up with bam after the name hunt station. And now bam has 1 month to beat zahard...

Family traits coming are is a real possibility for khun though I am not sure khun's lightning is quite the same as yeon's flame. Yiwah's flame is certainly ridiculous and could actually help her keep up with bam a little longer... Current chibi zahard has already been compared to a ranker... Bam even matching zahard nowadays would mean that the same comparison applies to him.

Perhaps I put too much into Yuri’s training with Androssi. And it’s probably unlikely she continues to train with Yuri after the HF. I think regarding the Name Hunt station her loss was meant to highlight Baam’s growth due to the GoG, since she was one of the top in Shibisu’s team. Of course after Yuri’s training she hasn’t done a whole lot except taking out that fodder guardian on the way to the HF door. Many of us were hoping to see something special from her in this arc and we haven’t seen it yet.

However, those climbing with Baam don’t have to accomplish the same feats as him: SIU has tried to focus on team building and team coordination in tests/fights, which is something I really like about ToG. For example Evan isn’t as much of a fighter as Yuri, but he has enough speciality to travel with her. He has his own techniques and devices that make him able to contribute, but he’s not expected to defeat Karaka and that doesn’t mean he has no business traveling with Yuri. And yes, I know he’s a Ranker and they’re all in a different class... so maybe the example isn’t the best. In this regard it makes me even more agitated that the Octopuke beat the Grand Quest instead of Androssi, that should have been her kill. I suppose her defeating the Octopuke could be her true time to shine.

Regarding Aguero, I suppose family traits don’t always pass down but I think he has a good shot. Since he despises Eduan and what his family does to each other, I wouldn’t be surprised that he chose to use as little of his clan techniques as possible and try and carve his own path. Evidence of this is his lack of spear techniques and only using lightning once against Yura’s lighthouse. He can use them... but he chooses not to for some reason.

Granted he did steal some things from his father on his way out (or maybe was given them by Mascheny as a parting payment), but I still think he’s been trying to distance himself from his heritage for a long time. His choosing of light bearer because he likes to be the leader may only be part of the story.

 

[Demonspeed]

AA isn't a Jeonsulsa, SIU confirmed it in an afterword. People are really overestimating his abilities. The Koon genius among the Regulars is Ran, AA will get stronger of course but I don't think he will ever surpass Ran. He will get better as a Spear Bearer and Light Bearer. He already has Enna Core and we have yet to see his new skills with a spear. AA and Rak are excellent in the first place, being inferior to an Irregular won't change that fact. And as I said already they displayed less of their abilities compared to Baam. It's the case for Androssi too who is easily the N.2 in the team, Yihwa and Ran are other powerhouses missing. They are not in danger.

Yeah but... There is an actual possibility that bam will be comparable to a ranker by the time the arc ends. And if that happens then even bam defeating karaka soon is not unlikely. There has to be a point at which their skills are not sufficient to bam's needs... Kinda like the idea of the kids being capable of supporting yuri and evan. Khun was given the task but only because he was also given enna core.

What even is Ranker level? It's vague. There have been people claiming that Baam was Ranker level since the beginning of S2 and it's clear that right now, he isn't. The difference in level between Rankers are so wide, it's impossible for us to gauge it unless a fighter manages to beat a Ranker at full power in a one on one. I can't see Baam reaching a level comparable to Yuri and Karaka anytime soon either, who are exceptional among Rankers. These two are people who reached the 134th Floor. Baam has done none of that.

 

[kkck]

AA isn't a Jeonsulsa, SIU confirmed it in an afterword. People are really overestimating his abilities. The Koon genius among the Regulars is Ran, AA will get stronger of course but I don't think he will ever surpass Ran. He will get better as a Spear Bearer and Light Bearer. He already has Enna Core and we have yet to see his new skills with a spear. AA and Rak are excellent in the first place, being inferior to an Irregular won't change that fact. And as I said already they displayed less of their abilities compared to Baam. It's the case for Androssi too who is easily the N.2 in the team, Yihwa and Ran are other powerhouses missing. They are not in danger.


What even is Ranker level? It's vague. There have been people claiming that Baam was Ranker level since the beginning of S2 and it's clear that right now, he isn't. The difference in level between Rankers are so wide, it's impossible for us to gauge it unless a fighter manages to beat a Ranker at full power in a one on one. I can't see Baam reaching a level comparable to Yuri and Karaka anytime soon either, who are exceptional among Rankers. These two are people who reached the 134th Floor. Baam has done none of that.

I wouldn't rule out aguero surpassing ran TBH. Of course, ran does have the advantage for the time being. As far as enna core goes, I wonder if it works as a long term upgrade for aguero. It is insanely useful now but I can't help but wonder how much of a difference it would make at the higher levels.

Of course it's vague but so far the implication remains that even the weakest rankers vastly surpass the current gang by a large margin. And of course anyone claiming bam surpassed a ranker since S2 has his head up his ass. And in the current chapter zahard is directly compared to a ranker which is huge even if we are talking about the weakest rankers around.

As for bam reaching a comparable level to yuri or karaka.... I think this is actually somewhat close. Not within the immediate future of course but at least much earlier than floor 134. Bam already vastly surpasses his peers thanks to the rather significant power increases he receives every arc nowadays and to boot he is set to at least match data zahard meaning he is about to get the largest power boost he has ever gotten. At floor 100 bam will likely take hon's test, at least I expect him to, and he should at least make hon try very hard. And there is a fairly good chance that making hon try at all is a superior feat to defeating yuri.

 

[Ripcord]

What technique is Aguero using here:

http://m.webtoons.com/en/fantasy/tower-of-god/season-2-ep-164/viewer?title_no=95&episode_no=245

It’s about halfway down when he destroys the lighthouse Yura is on. Isn’t that a lightning technique or something else?

 

[Demonspeed]

What technique is Aguero using here:

http://m.webtoons.com/en/fantasy/tower-of-god/season-2-ep-164/viewer?title_no=95&episode_no=245

It’s about halfway down when he destroys the lighthouse Yura is on. Isn’t that a lightning technique or something else?

Well, he can't use lightning techniques so it can only be something else. Maybe it's the LH short-circuiting or simply a Shinsoo tech which is blue colored, the Shinsoo for his knife techniques is blue colored too. If AA was able to use lightning he would have used it in his battles many times already. He doesn't have this trait, but he is good as spears. It intrigued me for a long time before but SIU confirmed that he is not a Jeonsulsa.

[Season 2] Chapter 199

Ran's done a big one this chapter.

I wish I had Gran Wrists or Gran health or something similar.


This chapter we have the main villain Kaiser make an appearance.

Since Hoaqin last time was so powerful,

he might not have as big of a name value,

but Hoaqin's defeat was more self caused than from battle.

(Leaving out spirit powers and in equalized conditions, Baam cannot defeat Hoaqin in a 1v1 match.)

This Kaiser is a quite powerful enemy too.

Not to mention his... bloodline...


To add to my last week's exposition,

Mascheni-style electric spears can only be used by Mascheni's children.

There are spells that copy it similarly,

but unlike Ran, it doesn't have the same reaction like the electric ball


Since it's forced, it's got a limit unlike that of Ran's.

At first I said all of the Koon family uses electric attacks,

but I decided to scrap it because our Koon (Koon Aguero Agnis)

would be put in a strange situation.

It's said that although Koon's family normally uses spears,

but spears weren't AA's thing. But he can still throw quite nicely.

He' does lamps because it's cushy,

but even in melee he's top three in Baam's party.


Next chapter will begin the story of the Kaiser and the story at the Name Hunt Station. It doesn't seem like much,

but it's closer to the main story than you think,

so I hope you pay attention to the next few chapters.

Of course, there will be other side stories as well so that will be fun too.

Thank you!

He had stopped training with spears but restarted again since his recent meeting with Evan. He needed to get better at both positions. Asensio doesn't seem to be a Jeonsulsa either. Maybe he will train him in this arc once he will see AA's Spear Bearer skills.

 

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Interesting that this afterword comes 30 chapters after AA uses that technique. I guess it’s a retcon at best or a mistake. Clearly the SFX are the same as electrical attacks.

 

[kkck]

Yura talks about how "shinsoo control" doesn't work on her and khun replies that it however does work on the lighthouse... So I take it he just used shinsoo control... Though that does sound too ambiguous. Maybe it refers to regular flow control? Which would sort of explain khun's reaction to yura falling immediately after (calling her an idiot).

 

[shaheer]

koon can easily, by virtue of his intellect. Baam isnt the sharpest tool in the box. He is up against a tug of war from multiple sides and requires a guy with super brain and someone he can trust.
I think SIU realizes that RAK is falling behind a lot and that's why moved him out of the main charas recently. It was Androssi Koon and Baam. If they become the new trio idk how androssi can be of big use other than transportation. Koons talent is much needed in baams group because Intellect is a virtue. Androssi provides power but if you have baam in the group then you don't require another powerhouse.

 

[Siya101]

I honestly can't wait till koon becomes powerful coz he is my favourite character and so far we have never seen koon battle it out and koon is also one of the strongest rank e regulars since Chang cannot defeat him but he just doesn't show too much of his power but hopefully after this arc we can see more of his true badass strength

SIU said that moon can fill other positions well