I personally feel Soo-Woon will sacrifice himself to save Yona and Hak.
But let's see what the author intends to do.
But let's see what the author intends to do.
Please don t insult me. I am not uneducated and most of the child kings occured at the end of the monarchies, so they didn t do a good job.There have been several child kings placed on the throne upon early death of their predecessors.If you read books about Monarchy, most of the job was being done by advisors while good Kings were mainly great orators and had to take the final decision.
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I dont think yona is uneducated. She was suppose to fill the role of queen not king so her education maybe quite different. She can read and write, schooled in the arts, other things a queen needs to know.Yona is uneducated and has no basic knowledge.
and you have to know at least the basics for the job to be done.
Sara Palin was politically active since she was an adult. She studied at 4 universities. I would say a bad example.
Still, you are not explaining how it would make the story good. Yona shows no interest in doing the administrative job and it seems that now she would only have one arc to learn all the necessary stuff. It is simply not enough and too late in the game. If Kusanagi wanted to turn Yona into a good ruler in a believable manner, the time for it is long gone. I think Yona should have got interested back in the Awa arc in this case.For a late starter like yona, gaining domestic and foreign allies for the (six months?) after shes been out of the castle is already a feat. Shes making connections fast and to influential people at that. As for the generals, gaining their support and trust takes time.
No idea, though I suppose that she might have wanted to show that Yona is capable of attaining some success alone, without the help of dragons. Besides, let’s not exaggerate Yona’s achievements. Kouren stopped being obsessed about taking revenge on Su-won thanks to Gobi, she didn’t want to listen about peace before he appeared and the reason why Su-won manged to gain some points in her eyes was Gobi’s doings, not Yona. However, how It turned out is different matter and I think I made my opinion clear enough why I think it was the worst arc.But i cant help wonder why the author developed yonas character from ignorant princess to game changer. If her character development is heading towards an upward trajectory, the throne would be likely.
Is it confirmed this is gonna be the last arc?now she would only have one arc to learn all the necessary stuff. It is simply not enough and too late in the game.
I wonder about the common people tho. The fire tribe peasantry knows the girl with the red hair helped them. The entire water tribe army knew it was princess yona who helped with the nadai, thanks to lili and since word of mouth travels fast i can only imagine the entire water tribe citizens knowing about it. She, along with the HHB, made their lives decent and comfortable.In fact, I don’t think that many common people would follow Yona. Maybe does that care a lot about religion and the Wind tribe would, but the rest? Su-won made their lives easier, so they have little incentive to follow Yona and I doubt that they would want to overthrow Su-won for Yona. Aside from religious reasons there is no need for them to care about it and most people cares more about comfort.
We, the readers know about that detail... but the rumors circulating in chap 154 dont contain such detail. Those kinds of rumors are enough to paint her as some kind ‘savior’ in effect garnering the support of a portion of the populace(wind and sky tribe).No idea, though I suppose that she might have wanted to show that Yona is capable of attaining some success alone, without the help of dragons. Besides, let’s not exaggerate Yona’s achievements. Kouren stopped being obsessed about taking revenge on Su-won thanks to Gobi, she didn’t want to listen about peace before he appeared and the reason why Su-won manged to gain some points in her eyes was Gobi’s doings, not Yona. However, how It turned out is different matter and I think I made my opinion clear enough why I think it was the worst arc.
Erm. Who is insulting you? This is a discussion without any personal attacks, so please don't attack me personally too.Please don t insult me. I am not uneducated and most of the child kings occured at the end of the monarchies, so they didn t do a good job.
Their advisers could use kings who didn t rule to their wishes like it happened at the end of the Roman Empire:
"The final collapse of the Empire in the West was marked by increasingly ineffectual puppet Emperors dominated by their Germanic masters of the soldiers."
Furthermore it is true that many of the "great kings" operated himself and didn t let others do their job: For example Louis XIV.
This is my point too, which is why I brought up child kings. There was no need to be sensitive about it.My point is, you dont have to be schooled in economics, finance, infrastructure, political science, etc. (everything about public service) before going for the mayoral position or any kind of public service post.
Actually, it would probably be the common people who support Yona the most.In fact, I don’t think that many common people would follow Yona. Maybe does that care a lot about religion and the Wind tribe would, but the rest? Su-won made their lives easier, so they have little incentive to follow Yona and I doubt that they would want to overthrow Su-won for Yona. Aside from religious reasons there is no need for them to care about it and most people cares more about comfort.
No, this is why I wrote that it seems at the beginning of the sentence.Is it confirmed this is gonna be the last arc?
Now, she helped some people on the way. However, she certainly did not meet personally each and every person of the town or didn’t help each and every village.I wonder about the common people tho. The fire tribe peasantry knows the girl with the red hair helped them. The entire water tribe army knew it was princess yona who helped with the nadai, thanks to lili and since word of mouth travels fast i can only imagine the entire water tribe citizens knowing about it. She, along with the HHB, made their lives decent and comfortable.
I wasn't using it as an example that Yona should get the throne.About the child kings, while it happened, a) this was no the normal situation, and b) it rarely ended well. While this is true that you can have a puppet king and still a prosperous country, the only historical instance of this I can think of is Cardinal Richelieu and his reform of France, ironically, into an absolute monarchy. It seems at least a little unfair to me that you use "child monarchs" as an argument that Yona doesn't need to be educated to be the ruler, but then you don't provide a single historical example, while I can point out several "average" or "weak" monarchs who were more like puppets in the nobility's hands, and whose reign left their country in a worse state than it had been when they ascended the throne; in the latter case, it didn't even leave it on the map.
This isn't to say that you can't have a young yet competent king, but this is different. Alexander the Great was twenty when he became king of Macedonia, and Casimir III the Great was barely thirteen when he took over a depopulated, war-ruined country and managed to revive it. However, these two don't have "Great" next to their names by accident, and both of them were raised to be rulers. With homeschool education starting since your early childhood, you could be quite competent at 13 already. Yona, however, would lag behind 16 years of idle childhood and no political training whatsoever. If she does become the ruler, and a competent one at that, I'll call BS.
Yep, nice examples. Still waiting for the manga to make it canon tho.As for how they could feel Su-won making their live easier. If he, for example, took care to make taxes fairer, got rid of corrupted officials and chose better ones or made it more difficult to oppress people, then it would be something that many would feel positively in the whole country.
What Yona is doing is like helping to extinguish fire in the house. What Su-won can do on the administrative level is like giving people a lightning rod, so it is like treating the cause of the illness, not just symptoms.
I wouldnt count on it being known. If southern kai knew the kouka king suggested military personnel to attack s.k. traders, it would result in a diplomatic row.As for the Water Tribe's issue with nadai, Su-won was there as well and contributed to the success as well. He also helped and contributed even more than Yona, but doesn’t seem to be given credit for it. Maybe it will change.
I think it was confirmed here that he is doing a good job and not idling away.Yep, nice examples. Still waiting for the manga to make it canon tho.
Yeah, it would be bad if Kai were not attacking them, but they do now, so I don't think it matters anymore.I wouldnt count on it being known. If southern kai knew the kouka king suggested military personnel to attack s.k. traders, it would result in a diplomatic row.
I wasn't using it as an example that Yona should get the throne.
Samuel Dean said:
"Please name one person that replaced a ruler and had no knowledge."
And I merely gave the example of child kings, saying it is possible to become a ruler without prior knowledge. Not exactly connecting it with Yona at all or that she should be the ruler.....just that it is possible....but apparently I was being insulting. Okay. And even if I was wrong, just correct me properly without getting sensitive about it.......Plus I am not from Europe and I have mainly studied the history of my own country, so from whatever I read I made statements, so all that is required is to give me the right info.
Anyway thanks for the info @Aniela
And now, I may not remember it, but did we actually see Yona read or write in the manga? We know that she can dance, but that's all. More than that, the story explicitly showed what happened to Kouka under an incompetent king, who cared more about peace than his own country (kind of like Yona was on Xing's side instead of allying with Kouka in the conflict), so there's no reason to think that Yona would fare any better on the throne than Il.I dont think yona is uneducated. She was suppose to fill the role of queen not king so her education maybe quite different. She can read and write, schooled in the arts, other things a queen needs to know.
Sarah palin transfered to varying schools along the course of her college life but she had only one degree.
My point is, you dont have to be schooled in economics, finance, infrastructure, political science, etc. (everything about public service) before going for the mayoral position or any kind of public service post.
No one wins in war. Both sides end up with a depleted national treasury and human resources killed. I’m glad yona stepped in the xing-kouka row bec apparently both leaders of countries didnt even think much about discussing things in the negotiating table first. Soowon and kouren equally guilty.And now, I may not remember it, but did we actually see Yona read or write in the manga? We know that she can dance, but that's all. More than that, the story explicitly showed what happened to Kouka under an incompetent king, who cared more about peace than his own country (kind of like Yona was on Xing's side instead of allying with Kouka in the conflict), so there's no reason to think that Yona would fare any better on the throne than Il.
Im not against making assumptions so i'll give it chance:The way I see it, you can either have "the manga way", in which case Yona's literacy is up for debate and she wouldn't fit into Kouka's ruling system without basic education on politics, finance, economics and all that or you can argue for "the real life way", where you say that Yona could be a good ruler without the proper education because these matters are handled by (supposedly existent) advisers, but then you can't also deny Su-won's achievements such as listed by @@Aylinn above. You can't just change perspective to whichever fits you better at the moment.
1 - I don't believe Su-won thinks of lives as disposable. If anything, he was launching a preemptive strike because he wanted to have as few casualties as possible, knowing that Xing was going to attack Kouka either way.No one wins in war. Both sides end up with a depleted national treasury and human resources killed. I’m glad yona stepped in the xing-kouka row bec apparently both leaders of countries didnt even think much about discussing things in the negotiating table first. Soowon and kouren equally guilty.
I’d rather have someone on the throne who didnt think lives were just disposable.
1 - Pretty sure that it did though. In the Earth Tribe Arc.Im not against making assumptions so i'll give it chance:
1. i feel the ‘making taxes fairer’ is so far from ‘managing well’ since the manga didnt even portray koukas economic status.
2. As for the corrupt/incompetent officials, im not so sure. I wouldve appreciated it if soowon had jungi step down. He seems to be about ‘giving people 2nd chances’. Which is why i feel the likelihood of him firing corrupt officials is unlikely.
See. Lets assume all we want.
***this isnt the proper thread for this but wth...1 - I don't believe Su-won thinks of lives as disposable. If anything, he was launching a preemptive strike because he wanted to have as few casualties as possible, knowing that Xing was going to attack Kouka either way.
2 - Il didn't think so either, and he valued peace above all else. It didn't end well. I wonder how many people died prematurely because of him from famine, lack of proper medical care (Fire Tribe)...
1. so im gonna ask you, how do you tie soowons earth tribe stunt to 'making taxes fair' for all citizens of kouka? where did this assumption of soowon making taxes fair come from? Do tell.1 - Pretty sure that it did though. In the Earth Tribe Arc.
2 - But there's a scene in the anime where Kei-shuk brings Su-won a report about corrupted officials, so I doubt that he did it for nothing. Sure, anime isn't the original work like the manga, but until we see something in the manga that contradicts it, we can treat that scene as canon too. With Jungi it's something else, since he's not corrupt; he was incompetent, but he got better since the Water Tribe Arc, so there's no reason to fire him now.
I think Aniela is thinking about him taking care of corrupted officials. He did go to investigate the issue with Kum-ji and we learn that he is the one who chooses the next person, so that arc confirms that he was doing something with the problem of corrupted officials.1. so im gonna ask you, how do you tie soowons earth tribe stunt to 'making taxes fair' for all citizens of kouka? where did this assumption of soowon making taxes fair come from? Do tell.
Why Su-won didn’t think about trying to establish diplomatic relationship with Kouren? Well, I don’t know, maybe he tried and we have never learnt about it or, what I think is unfortunately more probable, he didn’t think about a basic political move, because in Xing arc it was Yona’s time to shine.1. And this is why i question if soowon was ever schooled in foreign diplomacy. If he were a leader who didnt think his men were disposable then he would have opened the communication lines with xing not jump the gun.