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You also have to question why Dreyfus isn't heading the S&D force with Howzer. Possibly because Howzer has a history of fighting against impossible odds with Guila I guess. But more importantly, why is anyone letting Gilthunder and Hendy go to Camelot? They can contribute nothing! I'm surprised Merlin didn't just ignore them and teleport the members who can actually do something
Ludocel demanded it. Also (Hostages.)
 

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Ludocel demanded it. Also (Hostages.)
Meh. Ludociel has no power over Eli,Merlin or the rest of the sins. Nothing was stopping them from leaving the fodder behind
 

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Meh. Ludociel has no power over Eli,Merlin or the rest of the sins. Nothing was stopping them from leaving the fodder behind
Except he conrols thee bulk oftheir forces, has just about every holy knight under his control and is a necessary element to stand every a quartet of a chance against Meliodas and the masters.
 

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Meh. Ludociel has no power over Eli,Merlin or the rest of the sins. Nothing was stopping them from leaving the fodder behind
Pretty sure he'd fodderize Merlin, Elizabeth, and every other sin except Escanor. He's the 2nd most important asset of the alliance
 

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Pretty sure he'd fodderize Merlin, Elizabeth, and every other sin except Escanor. He's the 2nd most important asset of the alliance
Elizabeth no. Merlin no. Every other sin......yeah probably. Gowther might stand a chance. Besides my point still stands. He wouldnt go against the alliance to bring along fodder even if he has a plan for them. They shoud have objected harder.
 

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Elizabeth no. Merlin no. Every other sin......yeah probably. Gowther might stand a chance. Besides my point still stands. He wouldnt go against the alliance to bring along fodder even if he has a plan for them. They shoud have objected harder.
Not a single feat shows that Elizabeth or Merlin can keep up with Ludo either speed wise or power wise. Especially Merlin
 

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Not a single feat shows that Elizabeth or Merlin can keep up with Ludo either speed wise or power wise. Especially Merlin
Elizabeth simply releasing her magic caused Ludociel to struggle just to avoid being blasted away. The mere aftereffect of her light wings were something he actuively dodged to avoid being hit by and she (arguably) fared better than him against the Indura. Merlin has Perfect cube and can deploy it so quickly that even Zeldris couldnt react, while infinite whirl is essentially tornado at a lesser scale. Not to mention her own teleportation (on herself, not Ludociel) and the magic seal.
 

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Elizabeth simply releasing her magic caused Ludociel to struggle just to avoid being blasted away. The mere aftereffect of her light wings were something he actuively dodged to avoid being hit by and she (arguably) fared better than him against the Indura. Merlin has Perfect cube and can deploy it so quickly that even Zeldris couldnt react, while infinite whirl is essentially tornado at a lesser scale. Not to mention her own teleportation (on herself, not Ludociel) and the magic seal.
Lol struggled to get blasted away? All he did was cover his eyes. You guys gotta stop hyping your favorite characters just to amplify their feats. What she did against the Indura was attempt to purify them, something the other's didnt try to begin with. We can't compare one offense tactic, against a non offensive tactic. As for Perfect Cube, what do you mean couldn't react? Zeldris was taken by surprise, something that even the fastest and most powerful people fall victim too. When Zeldris was on guard however, she couldn't move a muscle in her body without him knowing. Hell she avoided fighting him in the first place, and instead chose to attempt to negotiate. Hell Galan was able to blitz her, very easily in fact. Imagine how exponentially easier it would be for Ludoshell to do so. She would get utterly stomped I'm afraid. Merlin just has one of the worst feats among the sins, and so far has mainly been shown to be a support specialist rather than directly offensive.
 

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Lol struggled to get blasted away? All he did was cover his eyes. You guys gotta stop hyping your favorite characters just to amplify their feats. What she did against the Indura was attempt to purify them, something the other's didnt try to begin with. We can't compare one offense tactic, against a non offensive tactic. As for Perfect Cube, what do you mean couldn't react? Zeldris was taken by surprise, something that even the fastest and most powerful people fall victim too. When Zeldris was on guard however, she couldn't move a muscle in her body without him knowing. Hell she avoided fighting him in the first place, and instead chose to attempt to negotiate. Hell Galan was able to blitz her, very easily in fact. Imagine how exponentially easier it would be for Ludoshell to do so. She would get utterly stomped I'm afraid. Merlin just has one of the worst feats among the sins, and so far has mainly been shown to be a support specialist rather than directly offensive.
Cover his eyes and literally fly off to avoid being pushed back. Even the kings and indura were pushed back at a distance to the point where Monspeet released the AAs. Ludoshel having the small reaction he did relative to the others despite being close is praiseworthy, not shameful. Reread the panels. What you take as hype I take as simply looking at physical facts. The Indura debate is toxic, Ill leave that be til we get more proof.

And yeah, off-guard. It still activated without him being able to respond. Plus there is virtually no means aside from absolute cancel to dispel the cube. And as for your whole "cant move a muscle" thing, you realize that was a mere threat on Zeldris' part right? She still put her hands up and teleported away before Ludo's blast hit her and Zeldris. He also couldnt do shit when she visited camelot. Meliodas wasnt stopping him, he just knew she could teleport away before they could touch her. Her avoiding a fight is moot. Of course she wouldnt want to take a risk of a pointless battle when she had a card to play. Especially when she knew she could use Ludociel to her advantage.

I really can't believe there are ppl who still believe Merlin is at 4k level. Her Galan loss is irrelevant. SHe headed into battle against two commandments confident she could win. That and her subsequent victory is a glaring indicator that her power increased. Not to mention, she teleported into Camelot and froze Cusack before he could so much as move. You're probably going to say he was "caught off guard." Well then:
1) Grayroad was "caught off guard"
2) Fraudrin was "caught off guard"
3) Zeldris was "caught off guard"
4) Cusack was "caught off guard" (as were Chandler, Zeldris and Meliodas since they didnt move an inch to stop the very person who they knew held a commandment they needed)
I mean, just wow. If she has this kind of knack for catching people off guard then its hardly an issue wheter or not she has good reflexes. Just catch everyone off guard and she'll be fine.
 

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Cover his eyes and literally fly off to avoid being pushed back. Even the kings and indura were pushed back at a distance to the point where Monspeet released the AAs. Ludoshel having the small reaction he did relative to the others despite being close is praiseworthy, not shameful. Reread the panels. What you take as hype I take as simply looking at physical facts. The Indura debate is toxic, Ill leave that be til we get more proof.

And yeah, off-guard. It still activated without him being able to respond. Plus there is virtually no means aside from absolute cancel to dispel the cube. And as for your whole "cant move a muscle" thing, you realize that was a mere threat on Zeldris' part right? She still put her hands up and teleported away before Ludo's blast hit her and Zeldris. He also couldnt do shit when she visited camelot. Meliodas wasnt stopping him, he just knew she could teleport away before they could touch her. Her avoiding a fight is moot. Of course she wouldnt want to take a risk of a pointless battle when she had a card to play. Especially when she knew she could use Ludociel to her advantage.

I really can't believe there are ppl who still believe Merlin is at 4k level. Her Galan loss is irrelevant. SHe headed into battle against two commandments confident she could win. That and her subsequent victory is a glaring indicator that her power increased. Not to mention, she teleported into Camelot and froze Cusack before he could so much as move. You're probably going to say he was "caught off guard." Well then:
1) Grayroad was "caught off guard"
2) Fraudrin was "caught off guard"
3) Zeldris was "caught off guard"
4) Cusack was "caught off guard" (as were Chandler, Zeldris and Meliodas since they didnt move an inch to stop the very person who they knew held a commandment they needed)
I mean, just wow. If she has this kind of knack for catching people off guard then its hardly an issue wheter or not she has good reflexes. Just catch everyone off guard and she'll be fine.
The kings were pushed back? They grimaced from the light and held their arms up, but no, they were NOT pushed back. Only the Induras, who were the actual target of the magic, were pushed back.

And she put her hand up as a means to signify she was not a threat. Zeldris stated any "funny" moves, and he'll cut her down. Raising your hand in defeat isnt a "funny" move, so he obviously let her. She also was able to teleport away due to the menacing death-ball of light that was heading towards Zeldris. NOT because he simply let her. Also, until the manga states Merlin is no longer at a 4k level, assumptions will get you no where. She lost against Galan due to her arrogance and lack of physical stats.

1). Yes, Grayroad was not aware of her infinity, and was utterly useless against her.
2). Fraudrin didn't even fight Merlin.
3). Zeldris was indeed caught off guard as he was literally reaching for Melascula without expecting any resistance.
4). Cusack obviously was caught off guard lmao. She teleported in front of him, out of thin air, and blasted him away. Who tf would expect that. The other's didnt move to stop her because they'd have to bypass the giant blocks of ice in front of them, which would've given her enough time to just teleport away.

Show me a scan of Merlin dealing with someone on Ludoshell's speed. Because she got blitzed by Galan, and since then, we have nothing else to scale her reaction speed from, so we'll use that. We also have no indication from the manga, that her physical abilities have even improved since Galan. If you do then also show me a scan. Also show me a scan of Merlin tagging someone with the speed of Ludoshell, or even a physical type commandment. You have none of those. Until then, Ludoshell would run circle's around Merlin, as he blitz Monspeet, Derriere, Fraudrin, Galan, and even took Escanor by surprise. Merlin can do absolutely nothing.
 

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The kings were pushed back? They grimaced from the light and held their arms up, but no, they were NOT pushed back. Only the Induras, who were the actual target of the magic, were pushed back.

And she put her hand up as a means to signify she was not a threat. Zeldris stated any "funny" moves, and he'll cut her down. Raising your hand in defeat isnt a "funny" move, so he obviously let her. She also was able to teleport away due to the menacing death-ball of light that was heading towards Zeldris. NOT because he simply let her. Also, until the manga states Merlin is no longer at a 4k level, assumptions will get you no where. She lost against Galan due to her arrogance and lack of physical stats.

1). Yes, Grayroad was not aware of her infinity, and was utterly useless against her.
2). Fraudrin didn't even fight Merlin.
3). Zeldris was indeed caught off guard as he was literally reaching for Melascula without expecting any resistance.
4). Cusack obviously was caught off guard lmao. She teleported in front of him, out of thin air, and blasted him away. Who tf would expect that. The other's didnt move to stop her because they'd have to bypass the giant blocks of ice in front of them, which would've given her enough time to just teleport away.

Show me a scan of Merlin dealing with someone on Ludoshell's speed. Because she got blitzed by Galan, and since then, we have nothing else to scale her reaction speed from, so we'll use that. We also have no indication from the manga, that her physical abilities have even improved since Galan. If you do then also show me a scan. Also show me a scan of Merlin tagging someone with the speed of Ludoshell, or even a physical type commandment. You have none of those. Until then, Ludoshell would run circle's around Merlin, as he blitz Monspeet, Derriere, Fraudrin, Galan, and even took Escanor by surprise. Merlin can do absolutely nothing.
Point #1:

Im really not sure what to say to convince you. The indura are shocked and blown back. They weren't the "target" of anything. This is no more than the release of magic power. Diane/Drole is visibly shouting in response to the intensity and you can cleary see Ludoshel is swerving to avoid being hit by Eli's light wings.

Point #2:
So her acting suspiciously calm isn't at all funny in the circumstances? Anyways, that was a scene to show her manipulative prowess, I'm not using that as any huge indictator of her speed. As for the cube

He is visibly shocked. You can argue all you like that he was caught off guard, but nothing stops Merlin from simply repeating this over herself. No character so far has simply "escaped" or attacked before Merlin could cast Perfect Cube.

Point #3
Her speed is really not up for debate. She couldnt so much as touch Galan at 27k. And now she is perfectly capable of:

How many times are people going to be caught off guard by her exactly? If this was Merlin of the Galan fight, nothing would have stopped Cusack from jumping a few miles in the exact same way. He even had more warning than Galan. In Galan's case he got a finger click. In Cusack's case, Merlin actually tapped him on the chest and made a pithy remark.

Point #4
She's still at 4k.....really?

Please explain to me why a commandment at 31k is intimidated by pagical power almost a tenth of his own power level? He knew nothing about her, he just felt the power of the technique and made this remark. Also, having a power level of 4k would not allow her to obliterate these skeletons the way she did:

I know you're about to call these fodder so let me point out that these skeletons were already eclipsing Ban in power who is at a steady 3k. They had enough strength to smash Diane into a building when she was at 8k. There is no scenario in which Merlin shouldve been capable of defeating the skeletons so easily if she was at such a mediocre power level. But even so, let me present more.

Why exactly does Grayroad at 39k say this? She has no knowledge on Merlin, no indicator of her abilities or origin. What is she basing this on? Is it a far leap to say that it just might be power level? Something that already intimidated Fraudrin? And lets not forget that to support the idea that Merlin is still at 4k, you have to seriously believe she suffered some immense brain damage or aneurysm since she was planning on confronting both Fraudrin and Grayroad directly:

In what universe does this head on charge make any sense when she already knew she was up against commandments who had a higher pl than Galan? Even if you believe that she knew of Grayroad's skillset, she fully intended on attacking Fraudrin and turning HIm into a "guinea pig". What massive lapse of judgment turns the most knowledgeable person in the manga into a colossal idiot who thinks she can take on Commandments almost 10 times stronger than her? I'm making no assumptions. I'm simply pointing out the blatantly obvious. She's stronger. Or nothing said or shown in any of these scenes makes an iota of sense.

Point #5 (Everything else)
1). Grayroad still had tons of spells and curses. And a strength power level of 10k. Why not just batter Merlin to death if she was at 4k? Because she isnt.
2). No, but he remarked on her "imposing" magic power and ran away rather than confront her. And he's a physical fighter so he had none of the issues Grayroad had.
3). Yes he was. Doesnt change the fact he could do nothing to stop perfect cube, as he could do nothing if she used it on herself.
4). Galan was caught off guard too. Cusack at least had the benefit of listening to her pithy comment. Galan had a split second to hear her clicking her fingers when distracted by two annoying fighters. He made it. Cusack didnt. It's as simple as that. And why exactly couldn't she simply produce those blocks of ice again if thats what you think hindered them? If blocks of ice give her enough time to teleport away, then there are again no issues whatsoever.

So yeah, I've proven her speed and strength increases with multiple scans. You're free to not believe me. And if you're saying that because she cant handle Ludoshel's speed that she cant compete, you might as well kill off all the characters and name Ludoshel uncontested winner of this manga considering NOONE can match Flash as far as we've seen. Ludoshel had enough time to cut off Escanor's clothes. Why not just cut out his heart in that time? He also blitzed the Star Duo. Again they didn't die and could even perform the ritual to transform into Indura. Flash is an instantaneous ability, not a constant one. He doesnt move at that speed all the time and thus, one perfect cube is all thats needed to stop Ludociel from either harming her or from even moving. I'd love to see Ludoshel trying to break the cube. A few Ark blasts to his own face might even cause him to rethink his whole arrogant position in life...
 

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Point #1:

Im really not sure what to say to convince you. The indura are shocked and blown back. They weren't the "target" of anything. This is no more than the release of magic power. Diane/Drole is visibly shouting in response to the intensity and you can cleary see Ludoshel is swerving to avoid being hit by Eli's light wings.

Point #2:
So her acting suspiciously calm isn't at all funny in the circumstances? Anyways, that was a scene to show her manipulative prowess, I'm not using that as any huge indictator of her speed. As for the cube

He is visibly shocked. You can argue all you like that he was caught off guard, but nothing stops Merlin from simply repeating this over herself. No character so far has simply "escaped" or attacked before Merlin could cast Perfect Cube.

Point #3
Her speed is really not up for debate. She couldnt so much as touch Galan at 27k. And now she is perfectly capable of:

How many times are people going to be caught off guard by her exactly? If this was Merlin of the Galan fight, nothing would have stopped Cusack from jumping a few miles in the exact same way. He even had more warning than Galan. In Galan's case he got a finger click. In Cusack's case, Merlin actually tapped him on the chest and made a pithy remark.

Point #4
She's still at 4k.....really?

Please explain to me why a commandment at 31k is intimidated by pagical power almost a tenth of his own power level? He knew nothing about her, he just felt the power of the technique and made this remark. Also, having a power level of 4k would not allow her to obliterate these skeletons the way she did:

I know you're about to call these fodder so let me point out that these skeletons were already eclipsing Ban in power who is at a steady 3k. They had enough strength to smash Diane into a building when she was at 8k. There is no scenario in which Merlin shouldve been capable of defeating the skeletons so easily if she was at such a mediocre power level. But even so, let me present more.

Why exactly does Grayroad at 39k say this? She has no knowledge on Merlin, no indicator of her abilities or origin. What is she basing this on? Is it a far leap to say that it just might be power level? Something that already intimidated Fraudrin? And lets not forget that to support the idea that Merlin is still at 4k, you have to seriously believe she suffered some immense brain damage or aneurysm since she was planning on confronting both Fraudrin and Grayroad directly:

In what universe does this head on charge make any sense when she already knew she was up against commandments who had a higher pl than Galan? Even if you believe that she knew of Grayroad's skillset, she fully intended on attacking Fraudrin and turning HIm into a "guinea pig". What massive lapse of judgment turns the most knowledgeable person in the manga into a colossal idiot who thinks she can take on Commandments almost 10 times stronger than her? I'm making no assumptions. I'm simply pointing out the blatantly obvious. She's stronger. Or nothing said or shown in any of these scenes makes an iota of sense.

Point #5 (Everything else)
1). Grayroad still had tons of spells and curses. And a strength power level of 10k. Why not just batter Merlin to death if she was at 4k? Because she isnt.
2). No, but he remarked on her "imposing" magic power and ran away rather than confront her. And he's a physical fighter so he had none of the issues Grayroad had.
3). Yes he was. Doesnt change the fact he could do nothing to stop perfect cube, as he could do nothing if she used it on herself.
4). Galan was caught off guard too. Cusack at least had the benefit of listening to her pithy comment. Galan had a split second to hear her clicking her fingers when distracted by two annoying fighters. He made it. Cusack didnt. It's as simple as that. And why exactly couldn't she simply produce those blocks of ice again if thats what you think hindered them? If blocks of ice give her enough time to teleport away, then there are again no issues whatsoever.

So yeah, I've proven her speed and strength increases with multiple scans. You're free to not believe me. And if you're saying that because she cant handle Ludoshel's speed that she cant compete, you might as well kill off all the characters and name Ludoshel uncontested winner of this manga considering NOONE can match Flash as far as we've seen. Ludoshel had enough time to cut off Escanor's clothes. Why not just cut out his heart in that time? He also blitzed the Star Duo. Again they didn't die and could even perform the ritual to transform into Indura. Flash is an instantaneous ability, not a constant one. He doesnt move at that speed all the time and thus, one perfect cube is all thats needed to stop Ludociel from either harming her or from even moving. I'd love to see Ludoshel trying to break the cube. A few Ark blasts to his own face might even cause him to rethink his whole arrogant position in life...

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I don't see the Kings being pushed back. Only grimacing once again. Ludo also wasn't pushed back as you stated, he simply grimaced, as well as braced himself. Neither the Kings, nor Ludo, were physically altered, or moved in any way.


#2
Whether her acting suspiciously calm was suspicious in any way is up to Zeldris. He himself was clearly not suspicious up until she activated Perfect Cube, where he was then obviously taken back in surprise.

#3. He was caught off guard. Plain and simple. The literal question mark and exclamation point displays this. Galan was mid-fight, meaning all guards were up in his case. You're comparing a guy who was fighting multiple Knights + the sins, vs a guy who was just about to finish off a kid, expecting not a single resistance from anything within a 100 mile radius. Who would be more caught off guard?

#4
Grayroad commented that the amount of magic necessary to sustain the spell Merlin placed on herself, which stops her own time, would require immense magic, however Merlin's infinity negates that requirement. Hence her foddering the skeletons. If she casts a blade that cuts through metal, it would require a certain amount of power to keep it going. As she stated" no matter how powerful a magic is, she just needs to cast it once". That could've been an extraordinarily powerful spell that would normally require immense magic to keep powered, but infinity disregarded that requirement. Grayroad commented on her dangerous status AFTER she placed a spell. And yes, her magic is indeed powerful thanks to infinity. No matter the power behind the spell she can cast it, it does nothing to imply she has improved physically since Galan. Regardless of her reasoning for attacking both Fraudrin and Grayroad, she is extremely susceptible to speed blitz as we've seen. Not to mention, obviously with a power like infinity, one would be cocky, but cockiness in this manga doesn't equal a sure victory.

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1. She has infinity, I thought we covered this. Infinity is literally what they were afraid of, the mere power of her spells.
2. He sensed her magic power sure, he even chose to run, shows her magic power truly is something, but did he run because he was completely outnumbered, including against a very powerful magically empowered Merlin, or because Merlin alone would destroy him? Either way she didn't fight him, so who don't know how she'd fare.
3. Well yea if she just used Perfect Cube on herself, she could keep herself safe. Providing Ludo doesn't choose to just 1 shot her instantly. To your previous point about why Ludo doesnt just "1 shot" everything, obviously durability comes to play. Not to mention his own reaction speed as well as his opponents own speed. Merlin's own speed, as well as reaction speed, has been shown to be very subpar.
4.As I said before, Galan was already mid-fight. Cusack was literally not expecting any resistance in a castle filled with a 4 OP demons and a defeated kid. She also couldnt just spam it because eventually they'd just completely overwhelm it. In a prolonged fight how long do you think that same spell could keep them back before they got to her?

Once again, all of your scans are hypothetical. Not a single thing just showed her going toe to toe with a very high tier physical being. Not a single feat. Not a single feat certified for sure, that she's above 4k still. Just "this potentially shows". Not a single scan. Her Grayroad feat doesnt show her going toe to toe with a galan tier physical being, neither does her skeleton feat, nor her interaction with Zeldris. NOTHING there show's she can avoid being blitz by a Galan tier being. Nothing
 
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Why the 32nd volume is going to be released August? I think that's because the upcoming chapters will be decisive for the series as well as because of the movie.
 

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Why the 32nd volume is going to be released August? I think that's because the upcoming chapters will be decisive for the series as well as because of the movie.
Huh? But it isn't going to be released in August but in June. If a volume's gonna come out in August, it'll be the volume 33.
 

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Huh? But it isn't going to be released in August but in June. If a volume's gonna come out in August, it'll be the volume 33.
Dude, I swear to you that I had read on the cover of chapter 266 that the 32nd volume would be released in August. But I read it again few minutes ago and I saw it changed to June. Sorry. My bad. :XD
 
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