Discussion NNT versus thread

[OtakuFreak]

- Phase 2 Indura (if we're talking to the likes of Monspiet and Derriere) is more or less on the same league as 114K Escanor for me. Meliodas wins with mid difficulty at most.

I actually believe the Indura might be 114k+

So I think Meliodas has high difficulty on this one considering its a 1v2.

 

[Gojo Satoru]

Here's some more
Goddess Elizabeth and Ludoshel vs Sariel and Tarmiel (All of them from 3000 years in their prime)

Meliodas (Post Purgatory) and Elizabeth(Goddess Form 3000 years ago) vs Diane and King(Post Training from the Kings) vs Elaine (Wings) and Ban (In Purgatory now)

3 way battle there lolzzz

 

[OtakuFreak]

Goddess Elizabeth and Ludoshel vs Sariel and Tarmiel (All of them from 3000 years in their prime)

Considering how Elizabeth and Ludoshel individually have larger wings to Sariel/Tarmiel means they are individually more powerful.

Plus, Ludoshel was more confident with Elizabeth at his side then with Sariel/Tarmiel helping him against Indura. So I'm going to guess that Ludoshel + Elizabeth together is superior to Ludoshel + Sariel/Tarmiel. So I'm going with Elizabeth/Ludoshel mid-high difficulty since ocean and tornado can be difficult to deal with.

Meliodas (Post Purgatory) and Elizabeth(Goddess Form 3000 years ago) vs Diane and King(Post Training from the Kings) vs Elaine (Wings) and Ban (In Purgatory now)

Meliodas is AA tier here right? LOL he doesn't even need Elizabeth to help him in this. He wipes everyone else solo. So could Goddess Elizabeth.

3 way battle there lolzzz

1) Eliz/Mel
2) Diane/King
3)Elaine/Ban

That's what would happen. Elaine would die in seconds. Ban would be petiried or hell-blazed to death.

Diane and King wouldn't even stand a chance against Meliodas. Elizabeth wouldn't need to do anything.

Not really a fair match up lol

 

[Shadowlord123]

Goddess Elizabeth and Ludoshel vs Sariel and Tarmiel (All of them from 3000 years in their prime)

Meliodas (Post Purgatory) and Elizabeth(Goddess Form 3000 years ago) vs Diane and King(Post Training from the Kings) vs Elaine (Wings) and Ban (In Purgatory now)

- Goddess Elizabeth and Ludo should win with high difficulty. However, this could change depending on how strong full power Ludo and Goddess Eli truly are (she needs more feats, imo).

- I see what you did there, unfortunately, Mel alone can already wipe out all of them with ease.

 

[Master of the Sun]

Otaku`s fanfic Elizabeth (her wings are exactly 106% larger than Ludociel`s) vs overhyped Mael (500k at night, above DK and SD at noon)

 

[Shadowlord123]

Otaku`s fanfic Elizabeth (her wings are exactly 106% larger than Ludociel`s) vs overhyped Mael (500k at night, above DK and SD at noon)

Hawk oneshots both of them

 

[Demonspeed]

Otaku`s fanfic Elizabeth (her wings are exactly 106% larger than Ludociel`s) vs overhyped Mael (500k at night, above DK and SD at noon)

Is Elizabeth holding back or not?

 

[Master of the Sun]

Even Hawk has no chance against Elizabeth unless he takes her off guard. Derieri, Chandler`s cheeks, and even the gods had to attack her when she was absolutely off guard, or else they would have been stomped. Hell, if she wasn`t off guard when she attacked Maelstarossa, he would have been dead because it is impossible to escape even her casual, not-meant-to-hurt Ark. Her normal offensive Ark is obviously above 114k Cruel Sun!
And yes, Demonspeed, she is holding back, as always. What a silly question.

 

[Shutensatsu]

Otaku`s fanfic Elizabeth (her wings are exactly 106% larger than Ludociel`s) vs overhyped Mael (500k at night, above DK and SD at noon)

Otaku’s fanfic Elizabeth.

The overhyped fanbase imaginary Mael is only stronger than 50% Demon King and SD at Noon.

Otaku’s fanfic Elizabeth is so powerful both of the gods had to challenge her at once to stand a chance against defeating her.

And she was only defeated because she had to protect Meliodas, and was holding back her true power.

And even then she dwarfed them on such a ridiclous Level, they both had to pool their powers together to be able to curse her.

Even though she’s human now, she can free herself from their curse anytime she wants because she’s stronger than them.

She just isn’t because she only has enough power for herself, and she’ll die after the curse is lifted. She won’t be able save Mel, and she refuses to die without him.

 

[HereNThere]

Is Elizabeth holding back or not?

Of course, she's a pacifist remember.

 

[OtakuFreak]

Otaku’s fanfic Elizabeth is so powerful both of the gods had to challenge her at once to stand a chance against defeating her.

Yes.

And she was only defeated because she had to protect Meliodas, and was holding back her true power.

Meliodas is such fodder.

And even then she dwarfed them on such a ridiclous Level, they both had to pool their powers together to be able to curse her.

Exactly, unfair right?

even though she’s human now, she can free herself from their curse anytime she wants because she’s stronger than them.

Yes.

She just isn’t because she only has enough power for herself, and she’ll die after the curse is lifted. She won’t be able save Mel, and she refuses to die without him.

Yes.

@Shutensatsu do you want to continue my fanfiction for me? You write it better

--- Double Post Merged, Jul 10, 2018, Original Post Date: Jul 8, 2018 ---

If answered or already been asked, ignore.

King vs Derriere
King vs Diane
Meliodas 11k (berserk against Galan) vs King at 4k, but he has full release (which can get him to 11k)

Diane vs Matrona
King vs 32k Meliodas
Elaine at 22k vs Nerobasta
Hawk vs Wild
Merlin vs Gowther.

In terms of abilities and not the user, is Chastiefol stronger or weaker than Basqueas?

 

[Bøjan]

King vs Derriere
King vs Diane
Meliodas 11k (berserk against Galan) vs King at 4k, but he has full release (which can get him to 11k)

Diane vs Matrona
King vs 32k Meliodas
Elaine at 22k vs Nerobasta
Hawk vs Wild
Merlin vs Gowther

King mid diff max. Diane needs to dance to even fight him properly and before she does that King can beat her.

Probably Meliodas mid diff.

Diane low diff. As she is now she needs a couple of seconds max and she's easily above Matrona's PL.

When Meliodas was beating Gloxinia he was with his demon mark and he activated his demon mark before he received his attack too. King should be close to Gloxinia in power, i'd say King high diff.

Nerobasta mid diff. She has superior regeneration and she's definitely 20k+ if she hurt Derriere that much with an ark like that.

Wild is stronger than E.Meliodas and Ban and they are a lot stronger than hawk (or at least Ban is). Wild low diff.

Damn this is really hard to decide. But in the end i'd go with Merlin since all it takes is to trap him inside Perfect Cube and gg.

 

[Demonspeed]

You guys need to stop with that Diane instantly loses because she starts at 8K. She is not that incompetent and can power up even by dodging moves, she powered up in no time at Corand and almost killed King with one hit, Diane quickly losing like that isn't realistic. Yes, she was powered up by the souls but these souls were not very strong to begin with and she still used her dance to power up. After this she easily overpowered Merascylla in snake form. She can power up in no time.

King vs Derriere

Derrierie wins.

King vs Diane

King more often than not I think.

Meliodas 11k (berserk against Galan) vs King at 4k, but he has full release (which can get him to 11k)

Meliodas wins.

Diane vs Matrona

Easy win for Diane.

King vs 32k Meliodas

Hm, King wins eight or nine times out of ten I think.

Elaine at 22k vs Nerobasta

Elaine's PL is 16K. Anyway, Elaine.

Hawk vs Wild

You can't be serious...

Merlin vs Gowther.

That would be a really interesting fight. Can't really decide as of now. 50/50.

In terms of abilities and not the user, is Chastiefol stronger or weaker than Basqueas?

No one is portrayed as superior. They have some abilities that the other lack. I'd say they are equal overall, but I personally prefer Basquias's Guardian.

 

[Master of the Sun]

Demon mark Mel and 114k Escanor vs Ludo and 3C Maelstarossa
Cuzack (base) vs Gloxinia and King aka Napping Reaper vs Repose and Sloth
Elaine vs Monspiet (with 0 magic)
Ban (HK saga) vs King (HK saga)
Gil vs Howzer vs Griamore
Jericho (demon blood) vs Guila
Jericho (current) vs Guila
Pleiades vs Dawn Roar
Hendrickson vs Slader
Red Hendrickson vs Zaratras
Grey Hendrickson vs Pleiades
Pleiades vs Edinburgh Vampires
Dawn Roar vs Edinburgh Vampires
Izraf vs Copper demon
Izraf vs Albion

 

[Kay3795]

King vs Derriere (easy, she's all physicality & the difference in their power is similar to Galan vs Escanor)

King vs Diane (hard. higher PL, tougher combantant)

Meliodas 11k vs King at 4k & 11k, (considerably difficult but King's stamina was exceptionally bad)

Diane vs Matrona (very easy)

King vs 32k Meliodas (very hard. FC, Mel's unique tenacity, disability & experience will push King to his max)

Elaine at 22k vs Nerobasta (moderate)

Hawk vs Wild (easy)

Merlin vs Gowther (very hard, the first to strike probably)

 

[Raiyan]

King vs Derriere

Derriere with mid diff

King vs Diane

Diane

Meliodas 11k (berserk against Galan) vs King at 4k, but he has full release (which can get him to 11k)

If Mel can control his power then him otherwise its King

Diane vs Matrona

until she powers up I'll go with Matrona

King vs 32k Meliodas

Mel

Elaine at 22k vs Nerobasta

Nerobasta

Hawk vs Wild

Wild

Merlin vs Gowther.

Interresting match but I'll say Merlin.. Absolute Cancel would be a problem for Gowther and Merlin with PC and teleport can take out gowther but If gowther is fast enough he can take out merlin who is as slow as my Internet speed .

In terms of abilities and not the user, is Chastiefol stronger or weaker than Basqueas?

They should be same but power depends on weilder. I like Basqueas more of its design.

 

[Shadowlord123]

King vs Derriere
King vs Diane
Meliodas 11k (berserk against Galan) vs King at 4k, but he has full release (which can get him to 11k)

Diane vs Matrona
King vs 32k Meliodas
Elaine at 22k vs Nerobasta
Hawk vs Wild
Merlin vs Gowther.

In terms of abilities and not the user, is Chastiefol stronger or weaker than Basqueas?

- Derriere wins with high dificulty at best, most likely mid. She's overall more powerful, has better durability and probably better speed too, the only thing that King has in his side is versatility and that alone won't give him the win.

- King more often than not, Diane needs some time to power up on King's level or above and in that time King can do some serious damage.

- Mel wins. Considering he's bloodlusted the possibility of him killing King before he releases Chastiefol is not out of the realm. Even if he can release Chastiefol (which I think is the most likely case) Mel should have still way better speed, mobility and durability than him, which is what makes in my opinion the possibilites of Meliodas winning higher.

- Current Diane beats her easily. If she powers up dancing it would be a good stomp.

- Interesting match. King is overall more powerful than him (41K vs 32K), but Meliodas has Full Counter and Counter Vanish which counters every magic oriented fighter hard. I'm giving it to King with high difficulty.

- Nerobasta should take it with high difficulty for me. I see Divine Lance Corporeal around 20K, which is the same as Elaine with wings.

- Wild stomps hard.

- Interesting match too. I think Merlin takes it, even though if Gowther hits her with one of his attacks, the match could potentially be over.

I prefer Chastiefol over Basquias, but Basquias has given me stronger vibes than Chastiefol, probably because Gloxinia could also control the power far better.

 

[Estarossa173]

Demon mark Mel and 114k Escanor vs Ludo and 3C Maelstarossa
Cuzack (base) vs Gloxinia and King aka Napping Reaper vs Repose and Sloth
Elaine vs Monspiet (with 0 magic)
Ban (HK saga) vs King (HK saga)
Gil vs Howzer vs Griamore
Jericho (demon blood) vs Guila
Jericho (current) vs Guila
Pleiades vs Dawn Roar
Hendrickson vs Slader
Red Hendrickson vs Zaratras
Grey Hendrickson vs Pleiades
Pleiades vs Edinburgh Vampires
Dawn Roar vs Edinburgh Vampires
Izraf vs Copper demon
Izraf vs Albion

Tough call. But I’ll give it to Ludociel and Estarossa.
Cusack. EASY difficulty. The fact that chandler manhandled both Drole and Gloxinia makes me think that cusack can do the same.
Monspeet
If King can petrify Ban, he wins.
I think Gilthunder wins.
We haven’t seen anything impressive from Demon Blood Jericho so, I’m giving it to Guila.
Tough call. It can go either way. Depending on how her ice powers have grown, I would give it to Jericho.
The Pleiades.
I’m not sure who would win for Hendrickson vs Slader. Sladers “Overpower” ability could stop Hendrickson in his tracks.
I’m leaning more towards zaratras.
Grey Demon Hendrickson
Edinburgh Vampires
Edinburgh Vampires
Could go either way.
Albion wins.

 

[kaiiruuu]

King vs Derriere
King vs Diane
Meliodas 11k (berserk against Galan) vs King at 4k, but he has full release (which can get him to 11k)

Diane vs Matrona
King vs 32k Meliodas
Elaine at 22k vs Nerobasta
Hawk vs Wild
Merlin vs Gowther.

1. King spams Increase
2. Seriously, why are people lowballing Diane? Her 8000 base was in her human form and not even in her original form. Plus she has both the strength to affect King (who has shit durability) and has heavy metal to defend whatever King has to give
3. Meliodas. Pre-training King can only use Chastefiol's true form with 3 attacks at most.
4. Diane stomps
5. Nerobasta because of titties
6. Hawk of course the strongest of SDS!!
7. Merlin BFRs Gowther

 

[Seven777]

Sariel & Tarmiel vs Cusack & Chandler
Goddess Elizabeth vs Arthur with Excalibur(no time limit)
Hawk Mama vs Wild