How did we devolve to the point that anyone saying Eli isn’t 100K is hating on her?
It's not just about the PL, it's about petulantly denying that her versus(yes, in layman terms, her fight against) 2 TCs, in last resort forms that greatly increased their PLs and their reaction ability, is her own fight and victory(against very powerful opponents(plural), by word of god(chapter title), and the highest relevant power and action output in the confrontation per se). You assume that Ludoshel is more powerful and relevant than Sariel and Tarmiel, because, for one, Induraspeet let go of both Sar and Tar to go assist Indurrieri against the former, but the fact that the 2 simultaneously took her more seriously than they did the 3 AAs is telling when it comes to power relevance in that circumstance. Ludo and co's persistent demands that she abandoned her cause and fought side by side with them tells us they all acknowledged her as powerful.
Or there's your refusal to see as relevant the fact that she was so far given actual personal feats only against 30k+ demons. Regardless what form she was in.
The moment she beats(if ever) anyone strong I will say she’s strong.
She already did, she had the upper hand on 2 50K+ opponents who were opposing her simultaneously, not taking turns like in most 1 VS "n" characters in this series . It's like denying that AM Mel was superior to Dayscanor prior to The One. And claiming that AM Mel's superiority had nothing to do with the power he held.
Both Indura and the holders of "Sun" suffer from (un)controllable power increase throughout their known confrontations. We might not have actual numbers on her, but we have enough data for power output feats.The AAs were wiser than Merlin at that moment and stepped in because Elizabeth was running on her own power, not a hax ability from mommy dearest.
Or we get a number for her. Or she can be reliably scaled to being above 100K like we can Ludo because we know he’s stronger than Tarmiel/Sariel who are 90K.
Hmm, those are loose assumptions, and rife with double standard, at that.
We have at least 3/4 AAs stating she has the power to fight and defeat demon elites and the most reputed 2 warriors of the 2 most powerful clans praising her, with added acknowledgement from Gowther. Please, explain why would 2 OP warriors who had no issue with exterminating countless people from the enemy forces and doing exactly what they were expected to do(actually fight in the war) end up respecting and admiring a woman with a philosophy diametrally opposite to theirs solely based on this philosophy she was promoting and which they dismissed. And don't give me the shabby excuse of "hormones" cause mere physical attraction doesn't help in the least in this story.
There is no way Gowther was talking about a pre-AoD Mael praising her and for that to matter, and there'd be no reason for Mael to praise her for her attitude alone when, as an adult, his methods were drastically different from hers. She literally spared entire armies of "filthy" demons when he always went for the kill to "save" them from their "impure" shells.
At every twist and turn she gets praising from her high-ranking peers, including Sariel who's already known to not pull his punches when it comes to "useless" people.
The flashbacks are showing Mael getting roasted for uselessness and not matching power and confidence expectations, instead of the daughter of their ruler.
She’s getting nearly assassinated by cheek fat. Needs to be rescued.
She was wounded by a clone, not nearly assassinated and there'd be no necessity in showing her killing it(since it's not her way), especially if it'd be a far lower feat than permanently disabling Melascula, damaging Derrieri when she had no idea she could even do it, smacking Meliodas across the room or even simply flinging Mael through the mountain, cause she doesn't like actually hurting people and her stilted ark was too little to matter on the goddess-demon hybrid.
Faints from one punch from Derrerie. Needs to be guarded until she wakes up.
She wasn't guarded. The AAs went to deal with the demons leaving her out there all alone, inside a flimsy ark. And the ark shield was so frail compared to the PCs Merlin can pull, demons 50k+ could just push their hands through without active PoD and only suffer the slightest burns. And that within circumstances where Ark>PoD(supposedly)
And we all know she's frail from a STR perspective. If you found her anywhere equally or more frail against magic attacks, do put it forward. Or less effective when not stumped by contextual twists.
Was stated to be useless against peak Mel, like every other sin other than Escanor. And all of the sins are sub 50K.
That was a weak excuse to simply deliver the Meliodas VS Escanor, not all of us were blind to how many already known useful abilities and skills could've been combined to stop Mel without letting the 1 VS 1 happen were far too conveniently "forgotten". Merlin gets that sort of treatment, haven't you heard?
Failed to hurt Estarossa with a ark even though he’s only 60K.
Failed to hurt, in her restrictive form, Mael(you need to update your data, that's not a full demon with the full vulnerability to Ark we're used to, that's a goddess in his altered, yet true body). To assume nothing of his original goddess build helped improve his resistance to ark, added to the fact that Elizabeth shouldn't be as powerful as she was in her original body, cause she's missing her wings, plus she's too merciful to really go for hurting others, is quite the bold reach and unacceptable as "fact" as long as we have the contradiction of his body withstanding the corrupting effects of PoD to an extent, even when holding the power of 3 decrees. So, Elizabeth's attitude aside, we already have the explanation to why Elizabeth's ark managed to even give a minor burn to Mel, but only held Mael restrained for a few moments without causing any burns whatsoever. That finally explains the dd's surprised remark.
The flashback said Ludo was the champion of the clan even when she was a goddess. Then it was Mael. It was never her. That suggests there is no goddess that is 100K other than Ludo and maybe Mael, when Ludo himself is barely over that Mark. The brothers are the strongest.
No, that suggests there is no "warrior" or "archangel" other than those 2 to be that powerful. All translations we've dealt with so far make a point in mentioning their belonging to that military group of the 4 AAs. When they're addressed as the only "goddess" powerful enough to rank 2nd, 3rd after the SD and don't make a case about them being "soldiers", while openly excluding Elizabeth, then it's ok to consider her as the unmentioned anomaly of the clan who was royal, yet weak and unwilling to fight, but also, contradictory important enough to the clan for the mother to not kill her off permanently and leave the door open for her 'return" and the 3 AAs to either try to barter with her or defer to her as still their superior, even as she was an "outcast".
The point is the AAs have been depicted as elitist enough to have the excuse of patronising or dismissing and ordering "human" Elizabeth if she really was as inconsequential to the GC as some of you imagine her to be.
And then somebody wants to bring up Zeldris and how nobody questions him being 100K, and I’m just hating on Eli because she’s a woman or some nonsense.
Nobody is saving Zeldris.
Except for that moment when anija was turning both him and Maelstarossa into demon patties and Elizabeth herself had to intervene before any true damage could be put on them. And she doesn't have to be constantly saved. You conveniently forget she saved Mel and Diane from Ruin's mind control and only after Mel saved her, she saved most of the Lyonesse army from a Dark Nebula Mel showed no sign of trying to reflect...oh, wait, it was an aoe Idk anyone else there to have had anything to stop; you're also conveniently forgetting she saved Zaratras from premature death which indirectly saved Dreyfus and Hendy till Meliodas could deal with Fraudrin.
Then she was shown in the flashback to have saved the same demon who sucker punched her. In the present times she saved the team, especially Diane from the consequences of her possession by the restless souls, then she indefinitely put Melascula out of commission while managing to avoid killing her as the rest of the team's means allowed, thus, she indirectly saved Elaine and I could go on. What you're clearly missing is that she's done a lot more saving herself than she required and that simply without killing people. To expect her to renounce her feminine, empathetic and life-supporting person to be validated as "powerful" is the weakest and most childish demand I've seen of late.
Nobody is constantly guarding Zeldris from danger.
Nobody is constantly guarding Elizabeth from danger either, it's why she manages to end up in it in the first place, she's simply more charismatic than him which has earned her more support than he has.
Zeldris isn’t fainting from being sucker punched by Ludo.
1. Zeldris was never sucker punched, not in the literal way, by Ludoshel for you to use it in any comparison.
2.We know Zeldris' PL and we know his STR stat is big enough for him that, according to the forum's more popular opinion is what makes for better endurance to damage, that he obviously would endure attacks better than Elizabeth. Although Gloxinia has something to say and it's embarrassing for those who claim endurance relates to str alone and it has nothing at all to do with magic build.
Even so, we all know Elizabeth is weak in that department. I don't recall anyone claiming whatever PL she has goes straight into her physical build or endurance. Some of us merely expect her to be magically OP and versatile enough to make for an ideal prospective holder of all of the SD's power, were she to pass it down in the other clans' fashion.
Zeldris isn’t being nearly killed by cheek fat.
Remind me in which scene Chandler merely flapped around his jaw and "nearly" killed anyone,even a fly, cause all I recall is him creating some ugly magic clones which, by the logic of the ability built into Mel's Lostvayne, would hold a fragment of his own PL. And one of them barely managed a scratch at her which didn't even get her to lose consciousness. With an OP healer, you either get the damage done right from the start or you don't do it at all.
Zeldris has a base of 61K, and confirmed more power with a second mark, the same as Mel.
And Elizabeth displayed 8 wings, temporarily as it was, when activating the triskele for the first Hikari Are. You guys don't even get the "drawing mistake" excuse anymore, not after the proof of how various employs of Ark address limb or full body creation/dissolution for goddesses. It implies that Elizabeth has an potential for at least one superior form, and that without being granted a Grace, as far as we know.
Zeldris supported by a 100K demon(Cusack) for Demon King. Would Cusack support him if he was weaker than himself?
Where do you guys keep pulling this 100k mark for all sorts of characters besides your own derriere?! PL isn't the only thing defining a character's relevance, there's also ability and skill quality(Infinity, Sun, Vain, to name a few)
And Elizabeth is supported by 3/4 AAs, including the AoD, the "vilest demon" Meliodas, Gowther made his own assessment, Merlin with her own wild potential looks up to her as opposed to her mother, or to Mel or even Gowther Sr. Even Ludo once begrudgingly acknowledged her power by displaying relief at seeing her join the fray against the Indura. You don't act like that when the "help" is to come from one person inferior to the lowest AA.
The strongest person she beat on her own was Mera. She’s done nothing that suggests she could beat someone stronger.
Oh, please, no more double standards, she purified Melascula by herself, but she held her own against the joint efforts of 2 Indura far above Mera and frightened them enough to power-up some more also by herself, the last stretch aid from the dd is hardly relevant as it didn't look like there was much they were lending her anyway. it merely implied that with their level 1 Indura state, the 2 TCs were finally balancing her out. Only a handful of people in the entire fandom clings to this excuse, the rest know it for Elizabeth VS Indura and her victory, not Elizabeth+Tarmiel+Sariel's victory.
It's like saying that if you earned 98/100 points by yourself on a test but somehow cheated for 2 more points to make the max your test wouldn't still be worth a very high grade or actually your work.
She purifies and heals. That’s it.
That's what her entire clan does, some just take purification to a murderous extreme
It doesn't prove in the least that she's not very powerful or a top member of her clan. The GC was always more dismissive of squinty's baby bro, not her.
Maybe she’s the best user of ark to purify and heal in the entire clan. Maybe she has a higher magic stat than the AA’s. That doesn’t make her the strongest in the clan or even 100K. Monspiet is the strongest hellblaze user in the demon clan and is nowhere close to being the strongest member of the clan.
Last time I checked she was the only one in the clan showing signs of individually versatile ability and potential for more, on her own, just like the demon bros with their marks. Mael is just a blazing ham when noon strikes. Hardly impressive, look how much good it did to him when targeted by a subtle mage
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. I’ll give her 60K in Magic. The biggest confirmed magic stat in the series, more than Gloxinia. The spirit stat is irrelevant, and her strength stat is obviously like 20.
No one with the STR of 20 would be able to lift a PIG 2x or 3x their own weight, not even in Taizai. And I'm talking Elizabeth with human body
Tells a lot about the credibility of the rest of your assessment
That is entirely reasonable enough of a guess as to her strength, when thus far she’s clearly lacking behind the AA’s, who have actual durability and physical capability on top of magic power.
Where does it say that an OP character has to be a designated warrior and have a certain physical build for their power to be relevant and valuable?!
For that matter, do show me where did we get her mother's registered PL and the number for her slice of STR being so impressive she should rather show her straining abs and muscles she's barely hiding in the tight bodice of that gown of hers
. Who the flip cares if the SD or her daughter have ridiculously low str stats if they can make up for that with magic?! Elizabeth still showed signs of higher potential than the level of power she was constantly displaying in the flashback arc, all that without a Grace, to our knowledge.
You know like Tarmiel, who took the first punch from Derrerie and laughed at her strength. instead of fainting.....................
You mean like the bodybuilder who naturally should have better physical resistance and who was also employing his Grace to make his body malleable and most of Derrieri's punches as irrelevant as hitting a training sandbag?!
Or Sariel, who got stabbed through the head, and got back up without issue.........
You mean the other military veteran who, despite his lackadaisical attitude was fully aware he was in an active battle and had to focus on all of his skills to stay alive while Elizabeth was suffering from a similar emotional shock to that the TCs suffered?!
Exactly, Elizabeth has never been championed as a warrior, if anything I think the AA’s just let her hang out with them because she’s either royalty or her proficiency in GC magic
Yeah, they just let her hang out with them so they can roast her for her uselessness
Oh, wait, that was Mael
They're all proficient in GC magic, just different types of it...
So far the only person that receives the highest amount of praise is Mael, he’s literally the champion for the GC and single handedly kept the balance for them
It was confirmed by multiple sources + narratives, even before we found out he was the Angel of Death or the fact that he’s the strongest AA at base
No, it wasn't confirmed, it was assumed because Sunshine and Ludo demanding he be called as reinforcement.
As for singlehandedly maintaining the balance, did you miss the flashbacks of him still being a roasted shrimp during some of the earliest insinuations of Melizabeth? Back when Aranak, Zeno, Mel, Gowther were still members and leader of the TC and Zel still struggling to develop?! Maybe the same time the BKs were active and the masters as well?!
So, tell me, who held the balance back then?! At that specific time before the AoD started existing and rose to being the top "warrior"/"archangel", not goddess, as most texts point out.
She’s healed people, an ability literally every member of the GC possess
She's also powered down 3 TCs in various states and at different PLs, sent hordes of demons packing home refusing to fight in the future(which is apparently, not the regular brainwashing called "Cheat Hope") and has been the only GC member displaying at a given moment more and bigger wings than all of the AAs. As long as you can't prove the 8 wings are a "drawing mistake" you have no claim about her not being in the demon princes' range and displaying parallel potential in holding the full power of a "deity".
, good luck getting through a superior and more experienced fighter who has the best defence against magic
Good Luck in there being any point to FC-ing Hikari Are, if it's even possible.
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