Discussion NNT versus thread

[Demonspeed]

-How did Dreyfus solo Diane so easily? She had her sacred treasure, Gideon, and has a slightly larger PL to Dreyfus back in the Kingdom Arc. He was 3000 (1k to each stat) whilst Diane was at 3,250. Diane's magic was slightly weaker (by 100 PL) but Dreyfus easily resisted her Ground Gladius without breaking a sweat. Was Diane just that weaker than him? I mean she basically fodderized a Helbram who had Hendrickson + 20 average holy knights behind him but can't break through Dreyfus? I remember watching this in the anime and was left so confused given that the sins should be stronger to everyone else and only on par with the Great Holy Knights, but Diane got defeated so quickly lol.

Diane was disadvantaged because of the portal. Dreyfus has plenty of offensive power, but he would be no match for her in a fight under normal conditions. Break is also pretty powerful.

 

[AvatarReiko]

Current Mael vs Pre-Noon Escanor (114k)

 

[Shutensatsu]

Current Mael vs Pre-Noon Escanor (114k)

I think he’s somewhere between 114K Escanor and an Indura. Still nowhere near Mel.

If Escanor’s power stays static in this hypothetical Mael would win eventually due to healing.

If it really happend in the manga, Escanor would win. I don’t think Mael is strong enough to beat him before high noon comes.

 

[Seven777]

114k Escanor, Mael doesnt really seem that powerful, maybe slightly over 100k

 

[OtakuFreak]

114k Escanor, Mael doesnt really seem that powerful, maybe slightly over 100k

How does Mael win when:

-He understands what sunshine is and the strength's/weaknesses of the power

-Access to self-healing

-Has wings to fly with

-Can combo darkness and light attacks.

-Probably still has physical full counter in his arsenal.

114k Escanor would be fodderized lmao

 

[Seven777]

How does Mael win when:

-He understands what sunshine is and the strength's/weaknesses of the power

-Access to self-healing

-Has wings to fly with

-Can combo darkness and light attacks.

-Probably still has physical full counter in his arsenal.

114k Escanor would be fodderized lmao

-Understanding Sunshine means nothing, he has no way to make use of it. If this fight happens with a static 114k Escanor then there is nothing to understand, it has no strength or weaknesses since Escanor's strength wont change, and if not, Escanor will oneshot him with The One.

-114k Escanor healed from AM Meliodas Hellfire, he will be alright. On top of that his body was sturdy enough for Meliodas to lose grip of Lostvayne by swinging it at him. Casual AM Meliodas>>Mael

-Makes no difference, having flight advantage is only useful if your ranged attacks are superior to your opponent's. Either Mael comes down and fights physically, or they both start shooting magic at each other, in which case the fighter on the ground has the advantage since the ground has cover. On top of that Cruel Sun is a tracking ability that Escanor can maneuver, which gives him an overwhelming advantage.

-Useful, assuming he still has it, and assuming he can still summon his swords, but with Rhitta's charging up on a 114k Escanor's juices, as well as Cruel Sun, Escanor should be able to handle it easily.

Escanor takes it handily, i doubt Mael could handle a single hit from a 114k Charge and Fire, he'd be barbecued worse than Tarmiel was after he got hit by Indura Monspeit.

 

[Bøjan]

-114k Escanor healed from AM Meliodas Hellfire, he will be alright.

His muscles expanded, therefore closing the wound. He never healed because he doesn't have such powers.

On top of that his body was sturdy enough for Meliodas to lose grip of Lostvayne by swinging it at him.

That was way above 114k btw.

 

[Seven777]

His muscles expanded, therefore closing the wound. He never healed because he doesn't have such powers.

That was way above 114k btw.

-Makes sense
-What was his PL then?

 

[Bøjan]

-What was his PL then?

130k+ easily. I can explain it to you why, if you want.

 

[Seven777]

130k+ easily. I can explain it to you why, if you want.

Sure, sounds interesting

 

[Bøjan]

Sure, sounds interesting

Escanor at 114k used Super Slash and hit Meliodas as hard as he could without him blocking it. It did absolutely nothing, then after some time he got even bigger and punched him and did a little bit od damage. Isn't it obvious that he powered up to 130k or more because at 114k he couldn't do damage with Rhitta at all while he was going all out.

 

[Seven777]

Escanor at 114k used Super Slash and hit Meliodas as hard as he could without him blocking it. It did absolutely nothing, then after some time he got even bigger and punched him and did a little bit od damage. Isn't it obvious that he powered up to 130k or more because at 114k he couldn't do damage with Rhitta at all while he was going all out.

We didnt see Super Slasher land, Meliodas could have dodged or blocked it, he did everything else before then. But lets say you're right and Escanor was around 130k at the time of the punch, what time was it when he was 114k and what time was it when he was 130k? I always thought 114k was at 11:59 by the way Merlin talked.

 

[Bøjan]

We didnt see Super Slasher land, Meliodas could have dodged or blocked it, he did everything else before then. But lets say you're right and Escanor was around 130k at the time of the punch, what time was it when he was 114k and what time was it when he was 130k? I always thought 114k was at 11:59 by the way Merlin talked.

It wouldn't make sense because of what i listed above, right? And to me it looked like a huge impact in the cube, meaning it had to have landed. He was probably 130k+ at 11:58/59

 

[danh]

Tarmiel VS Chandler

 

[Shadowlord123]

Chandler wins. They're pretty much in the same league in my books, with the difference that Chandler has FC which is a huge pain in the ass for those who rely primarly on magic like Tarmiel. The difficulty probably goes up to high or extreme, tho.

 

[Shutensatsu]

Tarmiel VS Chandler

Chandler. Too versatile. Full counter to stop his grace/ark attacks. Higher strength than him too. No way he can win.

The power ranking between top goddess/demons goes something like(IMO):

Meliodas = Sunshine Mael

>

Zeldris >= Ludoshel

>

Chandler/Cusack >= Tarmiel/Sariel

>

10 Commandmnets(minus Zeldris).

 

[Demonspeed]

With the feats they have I don't see how Chandler can win. He has no chances to win in base, Full Counter or not, it's not like the technique was infallible. And Tarmiel can become intangible to deal with some reflected attacks, there is also his Goddess healing.

With his True From, things will be different, but he apparently becomes a pure physical fighter.

 

[Bøjan]

With his True From, things will be different, but he apparently becomes a pure physical fighter.

His magic works too, though i am not sure if it's as strong as he is in base. We've seen True Night active even in his True Form.

 

[Demonspeed]

His magic works too, though i am not sure if it's as strong as he is in base. We've seen True Night active even in his True Form.

True Night was active but he only fought with physical attacks in that form and as you said it is obviously much weaker.

So, until I see more I don't see how he could win this.

 

[kaiiruuu]

Tarmiel VS Chandler

If Chandler doesn't have a counter to his intangibility, he has no chance of winning