Games Mafia Game 66 - Hunter x Hunter: End game

[Copy Panda]

Player Roles
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[Hardy]

Insane + traitor would be as strong tbh, but dw you aren't a real traitor so no need to discuss game balance.

 

[Farfalla]

I don‘t know if you like what I‘d have to share..
Have to go now, but I will say more later when I‘m back.

Even if you'll say you have me in your list, I don't mind, just share it during this phase, please.

 

[James Rye]

Insane + traitor would be as strong tbh, but dw you aren't a real traitor so no need to discuss game balance.

It is 50:50 whenever I am naive or traitor. Say, wanna give any more hints to your role? Or reveal it? Or tell us your targets?^^

 

[Farfalla]

Maybe they are looking for Traitors? Coincidentally James talked about this, Gry too. And TBH I was thinking about something like that as well.

Traitors are secondary roles, so that doesn't change people's claim on their main roles.

--- Double Post Merged, Aug 15, 2018, Original Post Date: Aug 15, 2018 ---

Ah come on, man! You could tell us something before you leave!!! D:



Hm, you*re right. I overread that sentence.
And you are right, since neither Gry nor Hardy seems to want to reveal, I might start as well: I am a Traitor and got Hardy as my sole Contact. So when I saw kato dying as traitor after saying we should keep an eye on Gry, I figured there might be more traitors who only got one name instead of a lot. That and Hardy being all "get off my ass" despite my obvious winks for him to recruit me. For all we know Gry could be a real traitor with a townie role who has a lots of contacts.

Since I got two different results I am not quite sure if Panda would make me a real traitor or not. If there aren't many dets then me getting two different results could mean:

I am sane Det, naive Traitor -> Hardy is Mafia/real Traitor
I am sane Det, real traitor -> hardy is Mafia/real Traitor
I am insane Det, naive Traitor -> Gry is Mafia/real Traitor
I am insane Det, real Traitor ->Gry is Maifa as is Hardy but with hardy being Mafia Boss

Ofc the scenarios with real traitor would suck, but with Farf and somebody else from last day already assuming me to be a traitor, the cat is outta the bag anyway.

Outta all those scenarios I think the insane det, naive traitor one seems the most plausible to me, but ofc I could be wrong. Depends on what those two tell us.

You forgot the scenario of you being sane and both me and gry being mafias with him being the boss, tsk tsk.

It's not about forgetting. For that to work, you both would have to be Mafia, Gry would be the Boss of a party and you would be a lone one (of a different 'party', of course). The traitor role says that he gets the names of ALL of the mafia members. So, if you wanna follow that possibility, you're either working alone or rules are being put aside... again @.@ Then I guess you could also be a lone boss and Gry would be a goon from another party.

That's what led me to think that James and Gry had different cases. Gry based his assumptions either on the rules (where the traitor would get a list, not a single name) or on the fact he has a different list from James'.

 

[Hardy]

It is 50:50 whenever I am naive or traitor. Say, wanna give any more hints to your role? Or reveal it? Or tell us your targets?^^

I'd love to but the town has little to gain from it.

 

[Erinyes]

Maybe they are looking for Traitors? Coincidentally James talked about this, Gry too. And TBH I was thinking about something like that as well.

you think that they basically were trying to recruit members ? that makes sense if gry and katos theory ended up true. so that would mean mafia might be limited in number. and that would explain why the game started with a night phase 2
so could it be that on n1 the janitor target get recruited if it ended up to be a traitor, if so that would mean we got likely 3 small killing parties ? possibly 2 mafias and a 3rd party.

 

[James Rye]

Anyway, given the new comic we got of day 2, I think we might be right after the mass traitor gimmick of this game. Meaning ofc there could be more than one real traitor and that there is a chance that there is a lone Mafia running around so even somebody who appears as naive traitor cause he only got one name could be a real traitor because said guy is a lone Mafia, like Farf explained.

Also i need to walk the dog now. Will be back later, hope my night 2 investigation, traitor and contact reveal as well as my mass traitor theory helped to clear things up a little.

 

[Takuan]

Alright i just went through the thread real quick, and a lot happened when i was away.

First, i got confused about the janitor thing, but it seems like there's a good explanation for that, as others pointed out. The janitor either got blocked during the first night, or didn't use his kill. Personally i'm leaning towards the first hypothesis, it seems more credible that he got blocked N1.
But then second night, only 2 deaths? So there would be 3 killin parties, and one kill has been blocked each night? This feels too lucky to be true.
Could it be that there is only 2 killing parties (one being a mafia with janitor), and N1 a lot happened: janitor got blocked AND an insane doc killed someone? It's either that, or 3 killing parties. But two consecutives blocks, really?

Anyway, onto even more confusing matters, i'm completely lost with all this traitor thing. With James' results, possible traitors, sane insane, mafia boss... I'll let you guys think about it because i'm too dumb inexperienced to not get completely lost with all this.

One last thing though: what's up with these votes? Holt Shinobi and EmptySoul each have received penalty votes; but the first rule of this game states that 2 players would receive penalties, not 3. Is that a mistake, or did i miss something?

 

[Farfalla]

The janitor either got blocked during the first night, or didn't use his kill.

Erin brought up a third possible option where the Janitor recruited someone.

One last thing though: what's up with these votes? Holt Shinobi and EmptySoul each have received penalty votes; but the first rule of this game states that 2 players would receive penalties, not 3. Is that a mistake, or did i miss something?

Maybe bottom 2 had a tie. That's also common among inactive people: post 3 times, vote and disappear.

Gonna be afk in medical appointments o/

 

[Holt]

But that theory would mean that Panda made a sane Det a real traitor and I dunno if that would be fair to townies.

Afaik, the naive traitor gets a random name. The description doesn't say he gets the names of non-mafia...just says random. So it's technically possibly for a naive traitor to still get the name of a mafia. Basically there's nothing guaranteed with the naive traitor

 

[Copy Panda]

 

[Purity of Magi]

This was so funny, I laughed so hard that I died.. xd

Spoiler

Literally.

 

[Takuan]

Erin brought up a third possible option where the Janitor recruited someone.

Ah, i missed that, thanks.

Maybe bottom 2 had a tie. That's also common among inactive people: post 3 times, vote and disappear.

Gonna be afk in medical appointments o/

Thanks again, i didn't think of a tie xD

 

[Holt]

Ok, I've been thinking a bit, James is quite a sucker for spotting mechanics and stuff, but I don't think he would have quickly spotted there possibly being multiple traitors as well as saying these "traitors" get one name (which seems to tally with Kato at least). Initially, a det-traitor role is quite interesting, but if he was really a traitor, I can only see complications coming from that.
First, a det already influences game balance highly. If James is a real traitor, that means he gets to confirm his sanity earlier than usual (by checking his given name). Naturally he might not know this, but hosts do and assuming best (or worst) case scenario depending on POV, we can have a fully sane det working to aid a mafia side and then eventually joining them when they finally set their eyes on him. Also, the town will lose a det too (now we know he's sane or insane at least) in the process. Imo, it'd be too game changing for James to be both (in)sane det and traitor. But being naive doesn't actually mean his given name isn't actually a mafia as well.

Anyway, point is, I believe James is the most confirmed townie atm. The amount of preparation/chance reqiuired for him to fake det and fake traitor is too high to pull off successfully if he's lying imo. That'd mean we possibly have a sure mafia between Gry and Hardy. We do need both to talk a bit more.

 

[Hardy]

What do you want me to talk about? Weather is nice here but it will surely get quite hot in the afternoon.

 

[Erinyes]

Update

As the Hunter Association Chairman, I gathered you here to deal with an important matter ! there are some evil nen users that need to be annihilated.

Here are the data i can provide you, about the nen of everyone gathering here, make good use of this precious infos* !

- Aizen as Phinks -> passive role - Innocent child killed on N2
- Arjuna as Nobunaga -> Said never got the role before
- Asako as Kalluto -> Killed on N1 - Time Bomb
- Crescent Jinx as Feitan-> Killed on N1 - Barkeeper
- Demonspeed as Franklin - Active role
- desin24 as Shalnark -> he's not one of those who got a headstart. meaning he has no active night role.
- EmptySoul as Shizuku -> Never had this role before - she has an active night role.
- Erinyes as Isaac -> Seiyaku x Seiyaku, fits my character.
- Farfalla as Machi -> passive and she had this before (and this last part is not useless).
- gnut as Bonolenov -> Passive role, might have it previously, not strong role but could be good for town
- GrySun as Killua -> never had this role before, but used it in some of the games he hosted.
- Hardy as Kurapika -> Active role, pretty sure its the 1st time he got it, not a doctor
- Holt as Kortopi -> Had the role before
- James Rye as Amane -> active night role, that doesnt fit Amane. claim detective
- kato as Abengane -> barkeeper / traitor lynched on D1
- Lambu as Ging ->
- Seraph as Gon -> He s a package deal -meaning if he leaves the Stage someone else will follow.
- shinobi as Zeno -> Active role
- SonOfDaws as Pakunoda -> a sort of combination of his 2 favourite roles. might or might not be helpful for town.
- syx as Uvogin -> active role, feels indiferent about it.
- Takuan as Pariston -> active role
- Vandred as Leorio -> Something related to a meme role in a game he hosted. ????? killed on N2

Night actions :
N.1
James R - investigated gry got innocent

N2
James R - Investigated Hardy got guilty





*if something is missing, feel free to notify me at #IsaacneterosHunterassociationchairman, and i will fix it Asap

 

[James Rye]

@Erinyes Hardy said he would love to reveal but townie would have little to gain from it. That also seems like a hint.
You should also add claims Traitor to my name as well as that Hardy was the sole contact given to me.

 

[Arjuna]

I want to see what Lambu is thinking.His views are necessary now

 

[gnut]

Since james is putting it all on the line with a pretty important role.
I might as well try to help by revealing my insignificant one and also who was on my list.
Im the same as Aizen(i know i laughed to when i seen his role) and cresent was my accomplice.

--- Double Post Merged, Aug 15, 2018, Original Post Date: Aug 15, 2018 ---

Im at work but will check now and then.

 

[SonOfDaws]

A few things:

I think James already mentioned this possibility, but there's probably quite a few traitors in this game and we've already seen 2 kills for 3 nights now. However, if there is a lot of traitors in this game, then the starting mafia member number(s) must be pretty low, maybe even just one. So, I wouldn't be surprised if they've already recruited a couple of people. That would explain why the janitor hadn't shown up until now; they were successfully recruiting for the first 2 night phases.

Secondly, why are you guys so damn quick to trust the word of someone you almost lynched just one day before? I certainly don't trust him much.

That being said, my main 2 candidates for a lynch right now are @James Rye and @Hardy . James for the odd behavior up until this point and Hardy for his general demeanor and his willingness to go along with what James was saying without questioning it. I don't think an innocent townie would commit to killing someone so easily.

Lastly, we need to pay more attention to @Erinyes . Just tossing up recaps and voting should not be all it takes to avoid suspicion, but that's what she's done before and seens to be doing now. I'm not saying she's guilty, but we shouldn't forget about her.