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Master of the Sun · Sep 10, 2018

Demonspeed said:
You are probably thinking about Blackout Arrow? Anyway, she succeeded and the result is a lot better since there was no risk of him exploding again. I don't see the problem here.

I'm not talking about Meliodas. I'm talking about this

Master of the Sun said:
Use Searchlight on all Holy Knights until you get to Fraudrin and Hendrickson. Once you read their thoughts, you will know they are the ones who framed you. Then use Broadcast on everyone. Then all other HKs would know that these two are the ones who killed Zaratras.

T25 · Sep 10, 2018

Demonspeed said:
The Sins were very popular back then, it's that incident that ruined their reputations. As said in the chapter, they were seen as heroes.

“This a memory from the heroes...” They are considered heroes now that they’ve saved the kingdom. They were know as criminals in the past. Eli in the first chapter introduced them as seven criminals and brutal order of knights. Diane’s side story had the hk refer to Mel as “that criminal.” They were known for being reckless ie destroying the Druid alter. They were an order of knights formed by sentenced individuals.

Master of the Sun said:
Use Searchlight on all Holy Knights until you get to Fraudrin and Hendrickson. Once you read their thoughts, you will know they are the ones who framed you. Then use Broadcast on everyone. Then all other HKs would know that these two are the ones who killed Zaratras.

how would they know the truth of it if random foreign images appeared in their head. They would ask their leaders would they not?

Demonspeed · Sep 10, 2018

T25 said:
“This a memory from the heroes...” They are considered heroes now that they’ve saved the kingdom. They were know as criminals in the past. Eli in the first chapter introduced them as seven criminals and brutal order of knights. Diane’s side story had the hk refer to Mel as “that criminal.” They were known for being reckless ie destroying the Druid alter. They were an order of knights formed by sentenced individuals.

When they became a team, they had their reputation of criminals of course but they became more popular later and were respected as heroes. After that, Hendrickson ruined their reputation. In Diane's Gaiden, the Sins were not formed yet, since she was not a member obviously.

Master of the Sun · Sep 10, 2018

T25 said:
how would they know the truth of it if random foreign images appeared in their head. They would ask their leaders would they not?

That would at least make them consider it. Besides, at this point, there would be nothing wrong with Gowther using Rewrite Light to fix their memories a bit so that they know it's those two and not the Sins. At least i think it would be better than letting tyrants like them rule the whole kingdom for a decade while the Sins are just hiding.

Demonspeed · Sep 10, 2018

Master of the Sun said:
I'm not talking about Meliodas. I'm talking about this

Oh I get it now, but the main issue here was stopping Meliodas.

T25 · Sep 10, 2018

Demonspeed said:
When they became a team, they had their reputation of criminals of course but they became more popular later and were respected as heroes. After that, Hendrickson ruined their reputation. In Diane's Gaiden, the Sins were not formed yet, since she was not a member obviously.

Respected for their power yes? Did the hk trust an order of criminal knights?

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Master of the Sun said:
That would at least make them consider it. Besides, at this point, there would be nothing wrong with Gowther using Rewrite Light to fix their memories a bit so that they know it's those two and not the Sins. At least i think it would be better than letting tyrants like them rule the whole kingdom for a decade while the Sins are just hiding.

Would the outcome change though?
Mistakes and what could have been done are always necessarily reflections but to outright state that things would have been solved had they done so can never be known only hypothesized.

What you get is what happened and how they proceeded from there is what’s more important to consider no?

Demonspeed · Sep 10, 2018

T25 said:
Respected for their power yes? Did the hk trust an order of criminal knights?

Nowhere is it said that they were disrespected, and we know people like Gilthunder etc. As I said, in this very chapter, Escanor is saying that people are jealous of their fame since they are heroes. There is not a single panel of that period where the Sins are together and hated by people.

They were known as criminals, they became popular heroes, Hendrickson's plot ruined their reputation and they made things clear at the end of the first saga.

T25 · Sep 10, 2018

Demonspeed said:
Nowhere is it said that they were disrespected, and we know people like Gilthunder etc. As I said, in this very chapter, Escanor is saying that people are jealous of their fame since they are heroes. There is not a single panel of that period where the Sins are together and hated by people.

They were known as criminals, they became popular heroes, Hendrickson's plot ruined their reputation and they made things clear at the end of the first saga.

I did not mean to speak of hate or blatant acts of disrespect but rather of the respect that thoughts and perception indicate. How were they spoken of behind their backs for instance. The little Veronica wanted to keep eli away from Mel calling him a dangerous criminal. That perception amongst the civilians and especially their fellow career holders makes it far easier to set them up no?

Escanor, of utter pride and arrogance, referred to himself as a hero calling them foolish commoners with their warped sense of envy and hatred. Where is the respect in that? He noted their existing perception of them with his own view of it did he not?

Demonspeed · Sep 10, 2018

T25 said:
I did not mean to speak of hate or blatant acts of disrespect but rather of the respect that thoughts and perception indicate. How were they spoken of behind their backs for instance. The little Veronica wanted to keep eli away from Mel calling him a dangerous criminal. That perception amongst the civilians and especially their fellow career holders makes it far easier to set them up no?

Escanor, of utter pride and arrogance, referred to himself as a hero calling them foolish commoners with their warped sense of envy and hatred. Where is the respect in that? He noted their existing perception of them with his own view of it did he not?

It's impossible to be liked unanimously, even now, the Sins are not liked by all the people of Liones(Viviann for example). At this point, they were well known as heroes, as they are now. They have been set up because of their past yes, but they were liked despite their past when it happened. It's exactly why such a plan worked.

T25 · Sep 10, 2018

Demonspeed said:
It's impossible to be liked unanimously, even now, the Sins are not liked by all the people of Liones(Viviann for example). At this point, they were well known as heroes, as they are now. They have been set up because of their past yes, but they were liked despite their past when it happened. It's exactly why such a plan worked.

It is impossible. Where is it stated and or how was it shown that lioness in general saw them as heroes at that time instead of the brutal independent group of criminal constituted knights it has repeatedly implied?

Demonspeed · Sep 10, 2018

T25 said:
It is impossible. Where is it stated and or how was it shown that lioness in general saw them as heroes at that time instead of the brutal independent group of criminal constituted knights it has repeatedly implied?

Where is it stated that they were not? You realize that it's Hendrickson's plan which ruined their reputation, right? People like Veronica were part of the minority. Their relationships with the others were clearly positive(Sane Dreyfus and Hendrickson, Gil, Zaratras, Dale, Bartra etc.)

T25 · Sep 10, 2018

Demonspeed said:
Where is it stated that they were not? You realize that it's Hendrickson's plan which ruined their reputation, right? People like Veronica were part of the minority. Their relationships with the others were clearly positive(Sane Dreyfus and Hendrickson, Gil, Zaratras, Dale, Bartra etc.)

Elis description of them in the first chapter , escanors statement I believe you referred to.

Those are higher ups people they were in constant contact with not the majority. The majority isn’t the few we see that have seen and met them. The majority are those who haven’t. And they knew them as criminals.

Hendrickson’s plan dropped their rep to rock bottom but how does that indicate that their rep wasn’t already low on a national level to begin with?

I could very well be wrong but an order of knights who were known to have been formed from convicted criminals who came back from missions with destructive results would garner a certain level of public opinion extrapolated from these qualities they have heard of with their limited viewpoint

Aldan · Sep 10, 2018

Eiyuu Yami said:
Pretty sure she caught Mel off guard. If Zel also thinks of her as an ally and is raging about another opponent, i am sure she could seal him as well.

He was at full demon mark mode. Everyone ignores it when Meliodas explicitly says that Merlin was caught off guard by zeldris, so no point acknowledging it in Meliodas'case~