Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[Demon Hunter]

How much do you guys want to bet that Ankhseram turns out to be that cool looking dragon god flying above the rest of the dragon gods on this page?

Spoiler: 5 Dragon Gods

I would be pissed af.

 

[WoWfan]

I highly doubt it, I mean if it was draconic, then people would have sensed that by now, or noticed it. Even Natsu or any dragon or High level DS would have been able to kill him

 

[Axiomus]

I highly doubt it, I mean if it was draconic, then people would have sensed that by now, or noticed it. Even Natsu or any dragon or High level DS would have been able to kill him

Nobody's met or fought Ankhseram. Also, this is an Acno level dragon. This is like saying Natsu or any of the high level DS could have slain Acnologia in his dragon form. This idea is by no means certain, but I'm more confident of Ankhseram being a dragon god than END ever showing up again.

I will be pissed af.

And how mad were you at Mashima's writing in the Alvarez arc? Hehehe.

 

[WoWfan]

Natsu has beaten RoT Acno stronger than base Acno level, and that would not mean that Ankhseram is a dragon otherwise Zeref would have died a long time ago by Acno’s hands. Well it has been confirmed that END will not return, that will be a retcon unless there is some time shenanigans involved in the 100 year quest, but I a confident that Ankhseram is not a dragon god.

 

[LaGOAT]

Dragons cannot beat someone who is stronger than them which is the same predicament for them, their only means of not downing is dragon scales. Since the parent dragons have no apparent feat or comparison to Igneel, it is hard to say but they should be stronger than the average dragon. But that does not mean much. If Acnologia cannot kill Zeref then by definition that does not make him stronger than Ankhseram since this whole discussion has been about strength overcoming abilities when it is abilities that overcome abilities.

1st sentence didn’t make sense to me. 2nd the parents dragon destroyed face across continent in matter of seconds. They might be below ingeel but they are stronger than the gmg dragons and stronger than the spriggans. u don’t have to kill some1 to be consider stronger bro

 

[Axiomus]

Natsu has beaten RoT Acno stronger than base Acno level, and that would not mean that Ankhseram is a dragon otherwise Zeref would have died a long time ago by Acno’s hands. Well it has been confirmed that END will not return, that will be a retcon unless there is some time shenanigans involved in the 100 year quest, but I a confident that Ankhseram is not a dragon god.

Natsu beat Spirit Acno in human form. And this was after he was handicapped by Fairy Sphere, with literally every mage in the continent working together. If Natsu fought dragon Acnologia even without the rift power-up, Acno woulda just eaten him. Natsu is weaker than Igneel, and Acnologia tore off half of Igneel's body.

Zeref and Acno never fought either. The time at the cave was their first time meeting.

 

[WoWfan]

There is no proof that the parent dragons are stronger than Spriggans since all they shown to do is destroy the faces. Though they would scale above GMG dragons but that would only make them mountain level at least, while the Spriggans scale higher with Country level magic (scales from Wahl)

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Magic is formed from the connection between nature and spirit and magic has souls. Since this is his spirit, this is no different than his actual strength. His body would not be any different than his spirit, his spirit is just there to keep his power in check. That does not make Zeref at the same level as Acno, though Acno could not kill Zeref because of the curse

 

[Gut's is the man]

How much do you guys want to bet that Ankhseram turns out to be that cool looking dragon god flying above the rest of the dragon gods on this page?

Spoiler: 5 Dragon Gods

What would be the point of bring Ankhseram in now?

 

[LaGOAT]

There is no proof that the parent dragons are stronger than Spriggans since all they shown to do is destroy the faces. Though they would scale above GMG dragons but that would only make them mountain level at least, while the Spriggans scale higher with Country level magic (scales from Wahl)

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Magic is formed from the connection between nature and spirit and magic has souls. Since this is his spirit, this is no different than his actual strength. His body would not be any different than his spirit, his spirit is just there to keep his power in check. That does not make Zeref at the same level as Acno, though Acno could not kill Zeref because of the curse

1. They were half dead 2.what feat does spriggans have to damage the parent dragons? Plus it was mention they lost acno? Only Irene and August is considered country lvl and that is just is powerscaling.

 

[WoWfan]

Even half dead does not make any difference in the long run. They scale to Wahl who can unleash attacks with country-large country energy level for DC, that is many magnitudes higher than the dragons. Irene and August would be small continent by the size of Fiore.

 

[Star Frost]

Hm, I wonder how long it’ll take to take to seal each dragon gods. Will there be more Dragon Eaters?

 

[Axiomus]

Even half dead does not make any difference in the long run. They scale to Wahl who can unleash attacks with country-large country energy level for DC, that is many magnitudes higher than the dragons. Irene and August would be small continent by the size of Fiore.

Wall is not country level. Just because Wall can use Etherion doesn't mean that his etherion is as strong as the councils. Elie from Rave Master could use Etherion as well. She wasn't country level in her own series, and Etherion was way more powerful in that series. Wall isn't even stronger than Laxus, who himself is arguably only mountain level.

The Parent Dragons is way above mountain level. A single roar from Mothergrea was mountain level. Face itself is a continental level weapon, and the parent dragons destroyed it. Face was scattered all over the entire continent of Ishgar, and had the capability to wipe out all magic from the entire continent. The parent dragons wiped out all 3000 faces in a matter of a couple of minutes. If they wanted to, the parent dragons can just fly around Ishgar and roar at random cities.

Each of the parent dragons would have had to destroy on average 750 faces. That's 750 structures capable of wiping the magic of every mage on Ishgar, and the parent dragons were body checking them into pieces. All in the matter of minutes. Imagine if one of the dragons just focused all their attention on one target. Do you think that Wall can take a dragon body-checking him 750 times within the span of a few minutes if he went down to Laxus? A casual claw swipe from Irene hits harder than END and Gray's combined attack, both of whom can easily take out a Spriggan. The parent dragons are not lazily clawing at their targets. It's a full body slam. If their body slam has even half the strength of Irene's claw swipe, Wall is screwed.

 

[WoWfan]

Actually it does from the radiation energy calculation done which gives it a logical idea where it stands and supports even Brandish’s power to make nations disappear. Face is not continent level though, just has the range to remove magic across the continent. The Spriggans can easily scale in speed via can match people who can react to lightning based attacks

 

[CaptainTorch]

Acnologia and Igneel should be in the higher end of country level, since Acnologia > Etherion
Wall's "Etherion" is far lower than the councils. Having said that the likes of spriggans should be around island level, same as laxus, etc.

 

[Axiomus]

Actually it does from the radiation energy calculation done which gives it a logical idea where it stands and supports even Brandish’s power to make nations disappear. Face is not continent level though, just has the range to remove magic across the continent. The Spriggans can easily scale in speed via can match people who can react to lightning based attacks

What? Radiation energy calculation? Show me the calc.

Neither Wall nor Brandish are country busters by feats.A weapon with the range of a continent is continent level. Obviously I don't mean it can destroy a continent, and I don't mean to imply that the dragons can bust a continent. But the parent dragons operate on a far larger scale far larger than what Wall can. They can literally just fly from one end of Fiore to the other, body slamming Wall on every pass. Every hit would be capable of oneshoting Wall. I'm going to guess that you're referring to Laxus, Gajeel, and Natsu when you're referring to people that can react to lightning based attacks. You do realize that everyone on Ishgar is slower than the parent dragons too right? They can't fly around an entire continent like that. Dodging lightning =/= As fast a parent dragon. Laxus can turn into lightning. He is not as fast as one of those dragons.

 

[GL_Nova]

Wall is not country level. Just because Wall can use Etherion doesn't mean that his etherion is as strong as the councils. Elie from Rave Master could use Etherion as well. She wasn't country level in her own series, and Etherion was way more powerful in that series. Wall isn't even stronger than Laxus, who himself is arguably only mountain level.

The Parent Dragons is way above mountain level. A single roar from Mothergrea was mountain level. Face itself is a continental level weapon, and the parent dragons destroyed it. Face was scattered all over the entire continent of Ishgar, and had the capability to wipe out all magic from the entire continent. The parent dragons wiped out all 3000 faces in a matter of a couple of minutes. If they wanted to, the parent dragons can just fly around Ishgar and roar at random cities.

Each of the parent dragons would have had to destroy on average 750 faces. That's 750 structures capable of wiping the magic of every mage on Ishgar, and the parent dragons were body checking them into pieces. All in the matter of minutes. Imagine if one of the dragons just focused all their attention on one target. Do you think that Wall can take a dragon body-checking him 750 times within the span of a few minutes if he went down to Laxus? A casual claw swipe from Irene hits harder than END and Gray's combined attack, both of whom can easily take out a Spriggan. The parent dragons are not lazily clawing at their targets. It's a full body slam. If their body slam has even half the strength of Irene's claw swipe, Wall is screwed.

Im on allot of battle boards, and the high level warriors from Rave are consistently ranked at Planetary, so where do younger your logic on Ellie?

Secondly, all the Spriggan were called at least country. Wahl is a low-level Spriggan, putting him at Large country via scaling. An Laxus one-stop him once cured, with all the damage sustained during the fight.

 

[WoWfan]

http://www.endmemo.com/physics/radenergy.php

Using this with the nuclear fusion temperature of his attacks and it’s size can determine the amount of energy are in the attacks. They are by scaling from this feat which backs up the detail of Brandish’s nation destroying feat.

That does not make the dragons faster than lightning, even Natsu and Irene get relativistic attack speeds and reactions. Lighting is 1/3 the speed of light and relativistic is close to light speed, what the dragons did was not even close to at least the later.

 

[Axiomus]

Im on allot of battle boards, and the high level warriors from Rave are consistently ranked at Planetary, so where do younger your logic on Ellie?

Secondly, all the Spriggan were called at least country. Wahl is a low-level Spriggan, putting him at Large country via scaling. An Laxus one-stop him once cured, with all the damage sustained during the fight.

Elie was arguably "universal" when she took out endless, but this is the same way Natsu is "universal" for taking out Fairy Heart. When it comes to actual attacks, none of the characters are near planetary. Lucia was like mountain+ with his new sword, so I guess Haru scales to above that. One of the god of wars had a giant sword attack that could arguably be country. I dunno how anyone from Rave is planetary other than Endless or Etherion at full power. As far as Elie goes, just look at her fight with Shakuma. Her attacks obviously aren't planetary.

Where was it said that all Spriggans were capable of taking on a country? Also keep in mind that Acnologia was capable of soloing the world, but even he wasn't capable of straight up blowing up the earth. I can maybe see Spriggans being able to take out one of the weaker countries in Ishgar, but none of them can straight up blow up a country. In fact, they lost to Fiore.

http://www.endmemo.com/physics/radenergy.php

Using this with the nuclear fusion temperature of his attacks and it’s size can determine the amount of energy are in the attacks. They are by scaling from this feat which backs up the detail of Brandish’s nation destroying feat.

That does not make the dragons faster than lightning, even Natsu and Irene get relativistic attack speeds and reactions. Lighting is 1/3 the speed of light and relativistic is close to light speed, what the dragons did was not even close to at least the later.

I honestly don't know where you are going with this. You gave me an online calculator. Neither Brandish or Wall have nuclear fusion as their powers. Natsu and Irene are not faster than the parent dragons lol. They cannot fly across the continent in minutes.

 

[WoWfan]

Accoarding to the manga they are with magnetic confinement fusion and magical confinement fusion where they operate in the same way with the only difference that instead of magnetic fields, he uses magic to contain and heat the plasma to nuclear fusion temperatures. And wall’s first attack being .14^2 m and his second attack being 8.68^2 m, and plugging that in with the 50 million degrees and .986 emissivity, that will make it Country-Large Country for both. Tell that to the meteor tha reached from outer space to earth in a few moments and Natsu dodging a laser made of light

 

[Axiomus]

Accoarding to the manga they are with magnetic confinement fusion and magical confinement fusion where they operate in the same way with the only difference that instead of magnetic fields, he uses magic to contain and heat the plasma to nuclear fusion temperatures. And wall’s first attack being .14^2 m and his second attack being 8.68^2 m, and plugging that in with the 50 million degrees and .986 emissivity, that will make it Country-Large Country for both. Tell that to the meteor tha reached from outer space to earth in a few moments and Natsu dodging a laser made of light

Just because an attack shares the naming of a real life concept, doesn't mean it actually means anything. Orga names his god slaying attacks off of guns. He's not actually shooting bullets. Assuming Wall actually has nuclear fusion, Mashima isn't exactly a science major. If you really want to go down this path, I can argue that Natsu has planck temperature and that Zeref is multiversal for not getting burned by it. At the end of the day, feats are all that matters. Wall has never done anything close to destroying city, let alone a country. His best destruction feat is city block level, and Wall was taken down by Laxus whom himself is only a mountain level at best.

Do you think GMG Natsu is faster than any of the parent dragons? The fact that Natsu can dodge lightspeed lasers, and still get tagged by random magicless fodder should be enough of a dead giveaway that this isn't the case. Erza was able to cut that meteor down. Neither of these two can run around Ishgar and wipe out all the face constructs.