Discussion The reason to why Jahad doesn't make a move

[Sakashi]

As we know Jahad is the king of the tower. He entered the tower with 10 great warriors, not to mention that there were 13 of them but I won't talk about that right now. Jahad and the 10 warriors wanted to climb the tower and so they did but on the way Jahad got corrupt and betrayed his fellow warriors to become the king of the tower. Furthermore, they stopped at the 134th floor and Jahad made 13 weapons and 2 rings? of the big Key that leads to floor 135th and also he made some sort of contract with the administrators that makes him immortal to any regular which means that only a Irregular can kill him. Furthermore, we don't know any more details of the contract. It maybe isn't just that any Irregular can kill him..maybe there are some things we still need to know to make the correct conclusion.

Now to the topic that we are meant to talk about here. Remember the panel on the Hidden Floor where Data Jahad talked to the real Jahad through a mirror? Data Jahad described him as a perfect being and the real Jahad also looked pretty big and the aura around him didn't give me the human vibes either. After this panel I made some thinking which lead me to believe that the reason to why Jahad doesn't make a move himself to go and kill Baam is maybe because Jahad is the administrator of the 134th floor? This would make sense by the way Data Jahad described him and also everyone keeps telling Baam that the fight between him and Jahad can't be avoided so It's gonna happen for sure. This also proves that maybe I'm right because If Jahad is the administrator of the 134th floor Baam must defeat him to climb even higher and that's exactly why this fight can't be avoided. And also if Jahad is an administrator this explains perfectly why he can't move because the 134th floor is his territory that he needs to take care of.

 

[Sakashi]

What do you guys think?

 

[kkck]

Dunno, I don't really see much evidence for or against this idea. Zahard only recently learned of bam and he immediately mobilized an army of rankers to end him and anyone else they might run into without giving any fucks whatsoever. I assume zahard himself is also bound by some rules as even his kingship depends on a contract with an administrator hence why he doesn't move personaly against bam.

I am also not sure administrators are really incapable of moving from their floors either. Headon apparently moves around, its not a stretch that other admins could do that as well.

A fun tibit though, there should be a floor with a dead admin around for whatever reason. Bam has a blue thrysa which like the red thrysa is a bit of an administrator. So somehow for some reason there might be a dead administrator around which is unknown even to tower residents. It'd be interesting if the reason the blue thrysa exists is because zahard killed an administrator and took over the floor, hence no other floor being like floor 43. But it doesn't necessarily have to be zahard either... It could be some other irregular that did this... We have seen that bam with his thrysas can do a fair bit and even hell joe was as strong as the tower's top tiers with one, a proper irregular with a thrysa would be a force to fear.

 

[Xeroxed]

The real reason that Zahard does not make a move is that he is voluntarily asleep and have been for thousands of years. The one that Baam met was just an AI that Zahard created to run his kingdom in his absence. It does not have real fighting power the way the real Zahard does, but it can be on many different places and do many things at the same time. And a real God have to be omnipresent after all.

Because it is an AI it does not have any sense of morale and will only carry out the instructions that Zahard gave it before falling asleep.

The real reason that Zahard stopped climbing and locked the door to the 135'th floor might be benevolent. If the old theory is true that the tower was made to create Exis is true then that might explain Zahards hesitation to move forward. When an Exis is created the area far around him will be destroyed. A powerful Exis could destroy the entire tower through his creation-explosion. Thus if the thing that allows you to become an Exis is located on the floor above where he stopped then as the benevolent ruler of the tower it would be his duty to prevent anyone from getting there as there is a risk that the entire tower is destroyed if they do.

Perhaps Zahard and Vee had a disagreement about what was the most important. His loyalty to the people of the tower or his loyalty to the people who sent him inside the tower. They might really need an Exis on the outside for some important reason. Maybe to save lives far greater in number than what exist inside the tower?

In the end Zahard and most of the great warriors agreed to seal floor 135. Vee and Arlene disagreed. The rest is history.

 

[Brian Taboada]

The real reason that Zahard does not make a move is that he is voluntarily asleep and have been for thousands of years. The one that Baam met was just an AI that Zahard created to run his kingdom in his absence. It does not have real fighting power the way the real Zahard does, but it can be on many different places and do many things at the same time. And a real God have to be omnipresent after all.

Because it is an AI it does not have any sense of morale and will only carry out the instructions that Zahard gave it before falling asleep.

The real reason that Zahard stopped climbing and locked the door to the 135'th floor might be benevolent. If the old theory is true that the tower was made to create Exis is true then that might explain Zahards hesitation to move forward. When an Exis is created the area far around him will be destroyed. A powerful Exis could destroy the entire tower through his creation-explosion. Thus if the thing that allows you to become an Exis is located on the floor above where he stopped then as the benevolent ruler of the tower it would be his duty to prevent anyone from getting there as there is a risk that the entire tower is destroyed if they do.

Perhaps Zahard and Vee had a disagreement about what was the most important. His loyalty to the people of the tower or his loyalty to the people who sent him inside the tower. They might really need an Exis on the outside for some important reason. Maybe to save lives far greater in number than what exist inside the tower?

In the end Zahard and most of the great warriors agreed to seal floor 135. Vee and Arlene disagreed. The rest is history.

I think you are wrong about the AI version of Zahard. IMO it is the real Zahard. I once thought as you do until several on this board convinced me to re-read the chapter. I recommend the same. It makes much more sense if he is not AI in the grand scheme of the 3 directives and everything that happens.

 

[Spirit]

Dunno, I don't really see much evidence for or against this idea. Zahard only recently learned of bam and he immediately mobilized an army of rankers to end him and anyone else they might run into without giving any fucks whatsoever. I assume zahard himself is also bound by some rules as even his kingship depends on a contract with an administrator hence why he doesn't move personaly against bam.

I am also not sure administrators are really incapable of moving from their floors either. Headon apparently moves around, its not a stretch that other admins could do that as well.

A fun tibit though, there should be a floor with a dead admin around for whatever reason. Bam has a blue thrysa which like the red thrysa is a bit of an administrator. So somehow for some reason there might be a dead administrator around which is unknown even to tower residents. It'd be interesting if the reason the blue thrysa exists is because zahard killed an administrator and took over the floor, hence no other floor being like floor 43. But it doesn't necessarily have to be zahard either... It could be some other irregular that did this... We have seen that bam with his thrysas can do a fair bit and even hell joe was as strong as the tower's top tiers with one, a proper irregular with a thrysa would be a force to fear.

Headon is reputedly the only Administrator that can travel between all of the floors and areas of the Tower. (Btw Guardians are the same as Floor Administrators correct? I know Test Administrators are Rankers but I've heard both terms to describe the native Guardians) He's certainly a special case in that regard. I'm not entirely sure why, but it's possible that all other Administrators/Guardians we know of are tied to their floors.

 

[duerlin]

As Headon selects people from every floor, we can assume he has some level of omniscience right?

 

[Ripcord]

As Headon selects people from every floor, we can assume he has some level of omniscience right?

Seems like he knows who he wants to pick and the right moments to show up - if he’d been a little slower Linnen would have died. Not like she’s relevant anymore but still.

Most likely he has some kind of guide-like ability. For all we know all administrators have it too.

 

[Sakashi]

The real reason that Zahard does not make a move is that he is voluntarily asleep and have been for thousands of years. The one that Baam met was just an AI that Zahard created to run his kingdom in his absence. It does not have real fighting power the way the real Zahard does, but it can be on many different places and do many things at the same time. And a real God have to be omnipresent after all.

Because it is an AI it does not have any sense of morale and will only carry out the instructions that Zahard gave it before falling asleep.

The real reason that Zahard stopped climbing and locked the door to the 135'th floor might be benevolent. If the old theory is true that the tower was made to create Exis is true then that might explain Zahards hesitation to move forward. When an Exis is created the area far around him will be destroyed. A powerful Exis could destroy the entire tower through his creation-explosion. Thus if the thing that allows you to become an Exis is located on the floor above where he stopped then as the benevolent ruler of the tower it would be his duty to prevent anyone from getting there as there is a risk that the entire tower is destroyed if they do.

Perhaps Zahard and Vee had a disagreement about what was the most important. His loyalty to the people of the tower or his loyalty to the people who sent him inside the tower. They might really need an Exis on the outside for some important reason. Maybe to save lives far greater in number than what exist inside the tower?

In the end Zahard and most of the great warriors agreed to seal floor 135. Vee and Arlene disagreed. The rest is history.

In my opinion it happened with Jahad getting corrupt -> making a deal with the admin while others not knowing -> locked the door without the others knowing and made weapons out of the key -> Made the immortatlity contract with the others and then after that told them about what he did and if they try to attack him something might happen -> V and Arlene the only ones who still wanted to go against him -> everyone else turned against them -> war.

I think that Jahad got to know something about the purpose of the tower that made him the person that he is today. This little detail changed him and turned him against everything and everyone. Jahad is clearly trying to prevent something from happening for a reason but what could it be? There are theories out there about the tower trying to create a axis being and in the process this so called axis will destroy the tower which will stop Jahad's dream of going on a adventure? Can this be it?

 

[SilentGuru]

Fun tibit though, there should be a floor with a dead admin around for whatever reason. Bam has a blue thrysa which like the red thrysa is a bit of an administrator. So somehow for some reason there might be a dead administrator around which is unknown even to tower residents. It'd be interesting if the reason the blue thrysa exists is because zahard killed an administrator and took over the floor, hence no other floor being like floor 43. But it doesn't necessarily have to be zahard either... It could be some other irregular that did this... We have seen that bam with his thrysas can do a fair bit and even hell joe was as strong as the tower's top tiers with one, a proper irregular with a thrysa would be a force to fear.

As I remember Baam got part of administrator of floor of death, when he was revived, so red and blue thrysas should be parts of the same one administrator.

 

[kkck]

As I remember Baam got part of administrator of floor of death, when he was revived, so red and blue thrysas should be parts of the same one administrator.

As far as we saw bam only got the red thrysa at the FOD. On the other hand we first saw the blue thrysa when bam started his revolution training and SIU said that bam got that while climbing the tower in a blog post. Technically its not impossible that both parts are from the same admin I guess but as of now its a fact that bam picked them up at different places in the tower.

 

[Kadir0]

I have a feeling he’s hibernating and got a damage from Phanta, and his kingdom is surpressing the news.

 

[Sakashi]

Could the blue administrator be the one Enryu killed and the red one be the baby Thryssa?

 

[Hussy1234]

I have a feeling he’s hibernating and got a damage from Phanta, and his kingdom is surpressing the news.

Yes I think same. Zahard is hibernating but i think that he is hibernating to get became more powerful or became something like axis. Thats why his data power said that he is trying to change play with fate. So he may be in a process of becoming a axis. And when phanta came and see zahard trying that he may have left to see how powerful zahard become and to feel some excitment how all this come out.

 

[shaheer]

If phanta wanted he could have ended zahards life by just blinking, idk why he would just damage zahard and go off though. Zahard is nothing compared to a minor axis and Phanta is one of the most powerful one.

 

[Sakashi]

If phanta wanted he could have ended zahards life by just blinking, idk why he would just damage zahard and go off though. Zahard is nothing compared to a minor axis and Phanta is one of the most powerful one.

1. Something protectes Jahad.

2. Jahad has a key role in whatever Phants is planning.

3. He went nuts and ”just” wanted to kill ppl and meet the king for whatever reason.

 

[Hussy1234]

1. Something protectes Jahad.

2. Jahad has a key role in whatever Phants is planning.

3. He went nuts and ”just” wanted to kill ppl and meet the king for whatever reason.

Or phanta was just having fun while messing around and killing and then he let go zahard to make him feel humilition

 

[Ripcord]

1. Something protectes Jahad.

2. Jahad has a key role in whatever Phants is planning.

3. He went nuts and ”just” wanted to kill ppl and meet the king for whatever reason.

If Phanta is an axis according to SIU he can just make the entire Tower disappear if he wanted. So absolutely nothing protects Zahard from an axis.

All we know is that an axis writes a “story” of some kind (you can say that maybe SIU himself is Phanta) and that Phanta showed up and revised part of the story. The primary message to Zahard most likely is “you think you’re something but you’re actually nothing.” Zahard and Yuri lived solely because Phanta wanted them to live, nothing more, nothing less.