Discussion Zoro Discussion Thread

[M3J]

Poison is blunt force? And so far, Luffy's punches didn't do anything to Big Mom, even internally. Poison works differently from punches and slashes, to boot, although one of her crew stated that she has an extremely tough exterior (which for some reason seems to go away when she's distraught or traumatized, as we saw when her knees got scratched after seeing Carmel's portrait broken).

Would a punch from Kaidou be enough though, or would he have to enhance his significantly the way Luffy does? So far, we've seen nothing hurt Big Mom while Kaidou himself seems to tank hits like nothing.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Poison is blunt force? And so far, Luffy's punches didn't do anything to Big Mom, even internally. Poison works differently from punches and slashes, to boot, although one of her crew stated that she has an extremely tough exterior (which for some reason seems to go away when she's distraught or traumatized, as we saw when her knees got scratched after seeing Carmel's portrait broken).

Would a punch from Kaidou be enough though, or would he have to enhance his significantly the way Luffy does? So far, we've seen nothing hurt Big Mom while Kaidou himself seems to tank hits like nothing.

No. Poison is internal damage, not external.

No matter how powerful you are, you cant train your stomach to become immune poison. Your cant strengthen your brain not to bounce around the inside of your skull when you get punched with overwhelming power. You can't train your lung to stay expanded when you get the wind knocked out of you.

Its 2 different types of damage when dividing it between internal and external damage. I didnt think I had to clarify it that much or I would have. My bad.

To your second point:

I'm saying Luffy wasn't strong enough to bypass BM percieved invulnerability and that Kaido (or something stronger that one Gear 4th punch) might

Big Mom didn't block a Yonko Level attack and both me and you agree Luffy isn't Yonko level in strength.

So you can't say Zoro would be more effective when she can't take external damage.

 

[Fox666]

It seems Kaido's immortality is unique to him, and Big Mom can be hurt. Her assumed invulnerability is based on Capone's explanation that within the 1 year he was with the Big Mom Pirates he never saw her getting injured except for the incident with Carmel's photo, and that no weapon can penetrate her skin. That's doesn't mean Kaido can't hurt her. In fact when the castle collapsed, it was implied the fell would have hurt her.

 

[Brandish μ]

The power level thread is where you can take haki/durability/damage etc discussions to.

This thread is strictly Zoro only.

 

[afromarco005]

I think that Zoro's legend is begening in wano and will only increase from that point on.

He was known as the "bounty hunter" Zoro, but he will now upgrade to another title more befitting of a contender for the title of WSS ( title that many do not respect in this forum and others but that's a discussion for another day) including:
-Dark/Black blade zoro
-The Snake/Dragon killer (in reference to orochi's powers)
-the green beast
-Three blades killer
-the one eyed monster

I see wano like an oldschool samurai movie, zoro will wander around (not lost at all, he only follows his heart and his blades) and challenge strong samurai along the way, defeating them one by one and his technique and thirst for combat increasing after each victory ultimately leading to him facing a calamity who will be surprised by his power and be slashed by his mighty blades after an intense duel.

Disappointed by the calamity and always looking for a stronger opponent Zoro will appear in front of orochi's castle.

Orochi-"How did you get this far young man, I sense a botomless potential in you and those eyes, I recognize them... I had the same back in the days when I challenged Oden"
Zoro- "..."
Orochi: looks outside and see his whole army, X drake and king the Wildfire bathing in their own blood " What kind of demon are you?"
Zoro - *grins and attacks

after the epic fight zoro is victorious and his cursed blades are covered in his enemiy's blood.
Zoro- "Sigh...this guy was weak after all." He said as he continued his journey to become the strongest swordsman there ever was...
End of zoro act

--- Double Post Merged, Dec 6, 2018, Original Post Date: Dec 6, 2018 ---

So to piggyback on that, I don't think Mihawk can do shit either. He'd get bitchslapped and his face will shatter with his sword because...Big mom is big mom. She can have her head in constant fire and not give a shit. A giant lightning bolt hardly did anything. Only Luffy is shown to be capable of withdtanding lightning because he is made of Rubber. Big mom is the only other character shown to be able to do that. And she aint made of Rubber.

I am not sure if you are a troll or if it's bait but you are talking a lot of shit right now.

Do you really think that Mihawk the strongest swordsman in the world, the guy who dueled shanks and most probably can cut through anything if he puts some effort in it can't cut big mom's fat ass?
She was compared to an iron baloon yes but iron is a childs play for the WSS to cut.
He'd split her arse faster than her husbands did when she was 25~40.

By extension, and because of his pride I am sure that current zoro could at least make hungry weakened mama bleed.

 

[nik87]

Zoro haven't really worn his black bandana much post time skip. Did he wear it vs Pica? If not then we know he was not pushed near the edge of his limit like when he fought daz bones in Alabasta.

Zoro wearing bandana is an indication that he is getting serious yes but the only effort in the fight with Pica is cutting something as huge as half the island. Cutting through the stone is not an issue in itself but cutting stone of that size is something difficult and definitely required Zoro to take it on seriously.
Using Asura and opening his eye are yet to be seen and I dont think his eye will turn out to be anything Naruto-style, more likely a higher focus, enhanced CoO or something related to Asura itself or the cursed sword.

We originally discussed that you thought Jack was a perfect opponent for Zoro. I disagreed and thought Sanji was, while Zoro suited more for the King or Orochi. Back then i theorized its the same person, but now I am more inclined to believe its going to be King.
What do you think now? I think Zoro vs King or Zoro . Orochi will probably have to be fought by a samurai itself. King is called Wildfire, and Zoro mentioned that he's interested in fireblades.... I think beating King will account to something on those lines.

Yes, I thought Jack was more fit as Zoro's opponent due to his swords and due to no information about King himself but seeing him having a sword and having some connection to fire it definitely seems like something Zoro would ask for. Also, we saw that swordsmanship is not really Jack's forte, losing a sword that easily against Shutenmaru could mean there are other ways how Jack fights. If Jinbe shows up alive and fresh I could see him taking on Jack.

I think Zoro will take on at least 2 swordsmen in this arc, fighting just one in the land of swordsmen just doesn't feel right. Luffy's performance against commander tier was disappointing so it feels weird for Zoro to solo them but if he beats both Orochi and King then this arc will be awesome.

-the green beast

I was wondering if it could turn out that Admiral Green Bull is Zoro's father...

@hokageji Remember when i asked you few chapters back to share the information from official translations about what Kinemon said in the 3rd speech bubble? I think these newest spoiler could confirm my suspicions from back then and only Jaimini nailed the translation of that speech bubble, saying that Momonosuke too is able to transform into one of those detestable DRAGONS(plural), implying there are more dragons in Wano.

 

[nik87]

I see it to believe it to keep hype balance .

As you can see by all the feedback in this thread, Zoro hype is over 9000!

 

[afromarco005]

Overhype biased is strong on this one. If you haven't learn from his fight with Hawkins, he is facing anyone with ease like like that especially fighting both Orochi and King in same arc as that too much for his body. Rather be just one major opponent being Orochi and Idk about X Drake if you sleep on him like that. You guys did with Hawkins and look what happened, so nah not taking chances on overhype.

I see it to believe it to keep hype balance .

I said "intense" and "epic" fights, how are these adjectives befitting for a quick easy peasy fight for zoro?

 

[TitaniumOxide]

Afromarco, thanks for the comment. And yes I am talking shit but not really trolling. It is fact that nothing has ever hurt big mom physically besides herself giving herself a knee scrape. Now that obviously doesn't mean Mihawk couldn't cut her but Mihawk couldn't cut Jozu in the marineford war. Whitebeard was never mentioned as being a huge tank, and sure as hell, he got stabbed by none other than Squardo. Shanks was not mentioned as being uber durable either. And his arm got eaten. I'm sure Mihawk can cut him too AND beat him in a swordsfight but only in a swordsfight. Big mom is uber hyped to be impervious to physical damage and thus far that has been true because no one can damage her. Kaidou is so tough that g4 Luffy did nothing but sober him up. But guess what? The difference is it is explicitly mentioned he got tortured and captured many times meaning someone or a combo of people was able to inflict damage on him at some point, the issue was they couldn't execute him. The same was never true for Big Mom. This is why I think it is more feasable for Mihawk to land a slash on Kaido and actually cut him than Big Mom. I want to see Kaidou bring his club to big mom. I have a feeling that'd just knock her away but she takes no damage because the manga points to her not taking physical damage. Well now I just sound like a broken record machine lol.

Back on topic: Zoro cannot cut big mom because Mihawk cannot. Shit that backwards hype Zoro, sorry guys. But hey this fool took that kuma bubble and sanji saw that shit and Zoro just said nothing happened like a fucking boss. K there. Positive hype

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

Any chances zoro is returning ryuma katana in this arc ?

only if he got a new sword

 

[nik87]

I don't think Zoro will return Shusui.
First, I don't think there will be any worthier swordsman than Zoro to own that sword by the end of Wano arc and second, Shusui chose Zoro to be its master.
The only new sword he could get, imo, is replacing 3rd grade cursed sword with 2nd grade cursed sword that Luffy was carrying with him.

 

[hokageji]

Yea, Zoro getting Shusui from people of Wano grades him higher than Wano citizens.
Am I the only one expecting Zoro to have a fight with Sanji? He selectively ignored to unite with the rest of the crew and wandered away, probably further than intended. But his last words to Luffy about Sanji weren't nice.
Perhaps Oda will give us a Zoro vs Sanji fight to settle all of this.

 

[nik87]

@hokageji It is possible as he intentionally removed Zoro from the picture and reunion with rest of crew and Sanji.
There have been some theories that Zoro may temporarily leave the crew as well.
I dont think any serious battle between SH members will happen but there might be some unexpected development.

 

[M3J]

Returning shisui would be dumb if it's the strongest sword in his arsenal. If anything, he could become a sword collector.

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

Yea, Zoro getting Shusui from people of Wano grades him higher than Wano citizens.
Am I the only one expecting Zoro to have a fight with Sanji? He selectively ignored to unite with the rest of the crew and wandered away, probably further than intended. But his last words to Luffy about Sanji weren't nice.
Perhaps Oda will give us a Zoro vs Sanji fight to settle all of this.

sounds like unnecessary sub-plot.
Sanji vs luffy was already bad enough fanfict fight.

 

[hokageji]

sounds like unnecessary sub-plot.

True, but the same was said about the entire sanji retrieval arc.... It turned out fine.
But yea, its not as likely.

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

True, but the same was said about the entire sanji retrieval arc.... It turned out fine.
But yea, its not as likely.

turned out fine? People were complaining about the arc.

 

[afromarco005]

Yea, Zoro getting Shusui from people of Wano grades him higher than Wano citizens.
Am I the only one expecting Zoro to have a fight with Sanji? He selectively ignored to unite with the rest of the crew and wandered away, probably further than intended. But his last words to Luffy about Sanji weren't nice.
Perhaps Oda will give us a Zoro vs Sanji fight to settle all of this.

I doubt so, zoro was so happy that sanji made it back that he had to wander around not to show his happy face in front of him. Gotta keep the badass attitude after all.

I also doubt that zoro will lose shusui this arc

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

I doubt so, zoro was so happy that sanji made it back that he had to wander around not to show his happy face in front of him. Gotta keep the badass attitude after all.

I also doubt that zoro will lose shusui this arc

lmao wasnt zoro okay with sanji leaving SHP?

 

[nik87]

lmao wasnt zoro okay with sanji leaving SHP?

You cant tell when people here are joking.