Discussion NNT versus thread

[T25]

Ask yourself if that character have any dialogue first lol.

What you are saying is irrelevant to Elizabeth lmao.

Answer the question sobreno. Featsfeatsfeatsfeatsfeats. Where are the sd’s physical feats sobreno?

 

[sobreno]

Answer the question sobreno. Featsfeatsfeatsfeatsfeats. Where are the sd’s physical feats sobreno?

She has no physical feat lol. But since she created the One, she can easily have the physical feat similar to the One user since it is her power in the first place. That and her Giant statue too.

Still no correlation with that damsel in distress case of pathetic physical feat despite being there since chapter 1 lol.

 

[T25]

She has no physical feat lol. But since she created the One, she can easily have the physical feat similar to the One user since it is her power in the first place. That and her Giant statue too.

Still no correlation with that damsel in distress case of pathetic physical feat despite being there since chapter 1 lol.

Thank you for answering. Can you tell me where it was revealed she created “Sun”?

 

[sobreno]

Thank you for answering. Can you tell me where it was revealed she created “Sun”?

Ludo when he revealed the Origin of the grace to Escanor.

 

[Seven777]

That is not the same shit, nice attempt at twisting your baseless headcanon. Zero name, zero reaction on anyone, not even herself unlike Mel when he went AM.

AM is a permanent mode that stay unlike her temporary light boost.

Still no answer to her pathetic physical capabilities which was my point here, you call say that her magic is great but her physical capabilities ( strength, speed and durability ) is shit and saying otherwise is clear wank on your side lol.

Firstly, why would I need to twist headcanon lol? It's mine to begin with. Secondly, it's not headcanon, it's speculation, I always say "if" or "could" or "possibly" and that we'd have to wait and see if it's an actual transformation, so stop getting so triggered.
Thirdly, Zeldris and Mel's second demon mark don't have a name or any significant reaction, neither do Chandler and Cusack transformations, doesn't mean they're not a thing.

Temporary as far as we've seen. Each time Elizabeth uses it it has been against opponents far stronger than she should be, and it exhausted her.

Her physical capabilities may only be "pathetic" in her base mode, they could potentially be stronger in her 8 wing mode. I doubt it for strength, but speed and durability are definitely a possibility.

 

[T25]

Ludo when he revealed the Origin of the grace to Escanor.

Good to know

 

[sobreno]

Firstly, why would I need to twist headcanon lol? It's mine to begin with. Secondly, it's not headcanon, it's speculation, I always say "if" or "could" or "possibly" and that we'd have to wait and see if it's an actual transformation, so stop getting so triggered.
Thirdly, Zeldris and Mel's second demon mark don't have a name or any significant reaction, neither do Chandler and Cusack transformations, doesn't mean they're not a thing.

Temporary as far as we've seen. Each time Elizabeth uses it it has been against opponents far stronger than she should be, and it exhausted her.

Her physical capabilities may only be "pathetic" in her base mode, they could potentially be stronger in her 8 wing mode. I doubt it for strength, but speed and durability are definitely a possibility.

Then your speculation doesn't make sense as there isn't inverse character or herself to name what she did.

Therefore it is irrelevant lmao. Only relevant stuff get named or noticed by people around and even the user.

That is when she use her purification technique at her full power output.

Until showed otherwise, her physical capabilities are as shit as it can get lol.

 

[sobreno]

I already told you why that doesn’t mean he overpowered the Ruler, you’re done.

Yes, he did as showed by his beyond surprised face.

Your delusions are what is done lol.

 

[Crimson Ice]

I didn't lied you fool, stop being delusional and learn to read the manga, and the words of the character lol.

When Mel hakai-ed his arm, he was in " !!!! " phase with a " what the f ".

Nice try at ignoring the fact once again.

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Lol, nice stupid wank, as always but you are alone in that shitty wank lmao.

Base Mel fuck her that it isn't funny, she has no way to deal with him and his FC, too slow for him and finally, to weak physically wise to compete with him.

Literally no way to harm him whatsoever with her pathetic speed action and light magic that is noped by Full Counter.


Bad mismatch but as always, you are the only person in this community who believes that nonsense, as except from a damsel in distress wanker who do shit except cheering for the sins lol.

I already told you why him being surprised doesn’t mean the Ruler was overpowered, you’re done. You’re using headcanon as fact. GG you can have last word, doesn’t mean you’re right though. If you’re going to disrespectful and snide at least form a good argument like me.

 

[sobreno]

I already told you why him being surprised doesn’t mean the Ruler was overpowered, you’re done. You’re using headcanon as fact. GG you can have last word, doesn’t mean you’re right though. If you’re going to disrespectful and snide at least form a good argument like me.

And I told you that it is lol, your stance makes no fucking sense, why would he hold back against Emo Mel when he tried desesperatly to stop him? You think that he is retarded to let him ruin all his work from billions of years just like that lmao.

See how you aren't making any sense at all lol.

I am right from common sense alone lol.

 

[Crimson Ice]

She's just as powerful as Ludoshel, so yes Assault Meliodas (142k) can't do fuck

She’s not, we’re already having this discussion in another thread so why bring this here?

 

[Seven777]

Then your speculation doesn't make sense as there isn't inverse character or herself to name what she did.

Therefore it is irrelevant lmao. Only relevant stuff get named or noticed by people around and even the user.

That is when she use her purification technique at her full power output.

Until showed otherwise, her physical capabilities are as shit as it can get lol.

Nonsense, Chandler and Cusacks transformations dont have names, neither does Mel and Zel's second demon mark, doesnt mean they're irrelevant.

No, Elizabeths light wings also appeared in the kingdom infiltration arc, and she wasnt purifying anything. It did however boost her from too weak to beat a standard holy knight, to powerful enough to overwhelm Hendrikson and his Dark Nebula, plus heal everyone on the battlefield.

 

[sobreno]

Nonsense, Chandler and Cusacks transformations dont have names, neither does Mel and Zel's second demon mark, doesnt mean they're irrelevant.

No, Elizabeths light wings also appeared in the kingdom infiltration arc, and she wasnt purifying anything. It did however boost her from too weak to beat a standard holy knight, to powerful enough to overwhelm Hendrikson and his Dark Nebula, plus heal everyone on the battlefield.

Yes, they have lol, Cusack literally named it his true form when he understood that he can't save his young master from the sins.

Second mark is just their demonic power as noted by Merlin when Mel faced Fraudin. Early one, called demon mark in the first saga.

For Elizabeth? Zero name nor mention lmao.

Yes and still irrelevant as it is a temporary stuff and can't do shit in a long run. Yes, it always purified thing as showed by how it healed everyone.
Not to mention that it has anything to do with physical prowess at all lol.

 

[Seven777]

Yes, they have lol, Cusack literally named it his true form when he understood that he can't save his young master from the sins.

Second mark is just their demonic power as noted by Merlin when Mel faced Fraudin. Early one, called demon mark in the first saga.

For Elizabeth? Zero name nor mention lmao.

Yes and still irrelevant as it is a temporary stuff and can't do shit in a long run. Yes, it always purified thing as showed by how it healed everyone.
Not to mention that it has anything to do with physical prowess at all lol.

When? I dont remember Cusack ever saying true form.
And no distinction between the first and second demon mark has been stated.

Maybe, maybe not. It let her do better against 2 Indura than Ludociel, Sariel and Tarmiel combined. Even just releasing her 8 wings pushed the Indura back, which is more than a point blank ark blast from Ludo could accomplish.

 

[sobreno]

When? I dont remember Cusack ever saying true form.
And no distinction between the first and second demon mark has been stated.

Maybe, maybe not. It let her do better against 2 Indura than Ludociel, Sariel and Tarmiel combined. Even just releasing her 8 wings pushed the Indura back, which is more than a point blank ark blast from Ludo could accomplish.

When he seemingly got defeated by the sins and got that huge hole in his stomach.

Yeah, but it is stated to be Demon mark since the first saga.

There isn't a maybe or maybe not, fact is that it was so irrelevant that no one noted it, named it, not even the user lol.

Ludo didn't do shit, his Ark against Zeldoris was more impressive than any Ark that he did against the Indura, both feat wise and destruction wise.

 

[Seven777]

When he seemingly got defeated by the sins and got that huge hole in his stomach.

Yeah, but it is stated to be Demon mark since the first saga.

There isn't a maybe or maybe not, fact is that it was so irrelevant that no one noted it, named it, not even the user lol.

Ludo didn't do shit, his Ark against Zeldoris was more impressive than any Ark that he did against the Indura, both feat wise and destruction wise.

Thats Chandler, and all Zeldris says is that they'll get to experience his true nature, he doesnt label it Chandler's true form.
So? That accounts for the first demon mark, not the second, or are they the same to you?
Elizabeth's 8 wings dont need a name, the change in appearance alone is already more than enough to indicate a transformation, not to mention the vast change in performance. Besides, it might get one later.

The fuck? Who the hell are you to say there is no maybe or maybe not? You're a fan, your word means nothing, your "fact" is your headcanon, unless you're secretly Nakaba and have decided that Elizabeth's wings are irrelevant. So are you Nakaba? If so, my apologies. If not, why dont you take your own advice and stop throwing around headcanon.
That aside, everyone noted Elizabeth's light wings, everyone present gawks at their release, did you think the "waah" or all those exclamation marks were for nothing? As for their relevance, they've literally turned the tide of an entire battle both times they appeared, its safe to assume that they're incredibly relevant for whatever fight they take part in.

 

[sobreno]

Thats Chandler, and all Zeldris says is that they'll get to experience his true nature, he doesnt label it Chandler's true form.
So? That accounts for the first demon mark, not the second, or are they the same to you?
Elizabeth's 8 wings dont need a name, the change in appearance alone is already more than enough to indicate a transformation, not to mention the vast change in performance. Besides, it might get one later.

The fuck? Who the hell are you to say there is no maybe or maybe not? You're a fan, your word means nothing, your "fact" is your headcanon, unless you're secretly Nakaba and have decided that Elizabeth's wings are irrelevant. So are you Nakaba? If so, my apologies. If not, why dont you take your own advice and stop throwing around headcanon.
That aside, everyone noted Elizabeth's light wings, everyone present gawks at their release, did you think the "waah" or all those exclamation marks were for nothing? As for their relevance, they've literally turned the tide of an entire battle both times they appeared, its safe to assume that they're incredibly relevant for whatever fight they take part in.

Still the same thing lol, call that form his true nature then lol.

Show me where it is said to be first or second mark, that is fan made name lol.
Actotally, it is just called demon mark, it is as simple as that.

Yes, it need, like any other move, mode, technique of other characters in any manga.
That show how irrelevant it is lol.
Lol at change of performance, you talk like it last for more than a single panel lol.

 

[Seven777]

Still the same thing lol, call that form his true nature then lol.

Show me where it is said to be first or second mark, that is fan made name lol.
Actotally, it is just called demon mark, it is as simple as that.

Yes, it need, like any other move, mode, technique of other characters in any manga.
That show how irrelevant it is lol.
Lol at change of performance, you talk like it last for more than a single panel lol.

Only when you headcanon it into being the same thing lol.
So there is no difference between the first and second demon mark to you? Alright.
No it doesnt, we clearly see her manifest light wings, and she has done it twice, thats more than enough.
What shows how irrelevant it is? Turning the tide of every battle it takes place in? If you say so lol.
I do talk like it lasts more than a single panel... because it does, several pages in fact.

 

[sobreno]

Only when you headcanon it into being the same thing lol.
So there is no difference between the first and second demon mark to you? Alright.
No it doesnt, we clearly see her manifest light wings, and she has done it twice, thats more than enough.
What shows how irrelevant it is? Turning the tide of every battle it takes place in? If you say so lol.
I do talk like it lasts more than a single panel... because it does, several pages in fact.

Lmao, way to miss the point again as always, fact is that whatever he did was named or mentioned which is my initial point since the start.

There is but still is a fan made name lol.

Not really, she did it briefly and then it was gone lol.
If you talk about the Hendy one, then it is another thing and definitely isn't the headcanon 8 wings that you tried to pass early on lol.

It didn't do shit, talking the headcanon " light wings " lol.

 

[OtakuFreak]

Elizabeth couldn't react to 50k Derierre or Chandler's cheek fat.

Right, because being off-guard or in a weaker form is a true testament to Elizabeth's power in a fair fight where she's actually trying to kill someone? LMAO

Hell, with this logic what can Meliodas do against Merlin when she put his ass back to sleep when he was going berserk? LOL

The fuck is she going to do against Mel?

Did you not see what she did against Indura? Literally one spell and Meliodas is half-dead LOL

Still wanting those juicy elizabeth speed and durability features @OtakuFreak

-Elizabeth easily kept up with Gloxinia & Meliodas in terms of speed. Such speed is easily applicable in combat, so she's not slow. Even if you disagree, Gloxinia with 0 physical strength has multiple feats of speed and decent durability and Elizabeth is far above him, so the answer is obvious here.

-Elizabeth was doing just as well as Holy-War Meliodas against the Gods in battle, whom was considered to be on the same level as the Ten Commandments. Yes, 10C level at this stage in the manga is pretty mediocre but considering Elizabeth's biggest weakness is her physical strength establishes that she just isn't some fragile female waiting to be one-shot by anybody. Plus, she's easily the best healer in the series which means her self-healing capabilities in battle should far exceed everyone else around her.