Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2019] - Discussion and TOC Talk

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Regardless, bringing up animation outsourcing for an existing ip is a lousy argument and shows a lack of comprehending what we're saying.
I never once brought up outsourced animation. I'm talking about foreign animators working IN-HOUSE so you might want to check up on your reading comprehension.
Working in Japan as a manga artist is quite different than working on an outsourced animation project.
Stop misconstruing things
You should heed your own advice because again, I didn't write a word about outsourced animation. I even brought up examples like Bahi JD who's living in Japan working with studio Trigger on their new movie called Promare.

Twisting my words to fit your narrative. Clearly I've struck a nerve.
Freaking amen! The sad thing is that those people are still doing an off-topic on a Magazine related topic even after your post.
Have you tried the incredible ignore feature?
 
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Gintama 77 has gone from originally scheduled to be released in April then delayed to May and now is delayed again to June.


As expected of Gorilla sensei
I wonder if he's adding an extra true final chapter that'll be volume-only, with all the constant fake ending hype it seems like something he'd do.
 
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Gintama 77 has gone from originally scheduled to be released in April then delayed to May and now is delayed again to June.


As expected of Gorilla sensei
I wonder what going to happen to full digital edition. They announced it for july but booking should have started in May.
 

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it is always interesting seeing HeroAca barely edge out Haikyuu!! I do not think HeroAca will edge out Haikyuu at the end of lifetime.
Yeah, as much as I'd like to see MHA grow to become the next million seller, it seems as though it's gonna turn up short.
S4 will be interesting to watch but I don't see any more significant growth from newer seasons. It'll mostly just help the sales remain consistent.
 

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Gokutei Higuma and Ne0 seem to be in danger. I will not be surprised if David joins them and ALL of Hinomaru, Yuuna or Soma survive this round. Though it is still early-ish to say something considering both of the newbies havent even gotten to Chapter 10.



Freaking amen! The sad thing is that those people are still doing an off-topic on a Magazine related topic even after your post.
Honestly, I think it's more likely Chainsaw Man joins both of them.

While David didn't sell well, it's a gag manga and for gag manga, sales aren't the highest priority afaik. So they won't be automatically cancelled if the sales are low. Also, it still sold a lot better than Japan from what I've read. While low sales won't necessarily make them cancel a series, I'm pretty sure they're letting both David and Japan compete for the gag manga spot at the end of the magazine. So the series with higher sales probably has the edge. And since they most likely won't cancel a series that has an upcoming anime, it would make more sense for Japan to get moved to Jump Plus at some point.

So I think it's either going to be the three new series all getting the axe or Higuma and Neo;lation getting axed and Japan moving to Jump Plus (though it's more likely to happen at a later point in time). Souma will probably live for at least one more round.

Edit: Or there's only two new series next round, so only Neo;lation and Higuma get axed.
 
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So that is full edition but not really full huh? Now why I suspect this is actual reason for delay? They announced full edition to make it look like it is really ending ( perfectly knowing it isnt) but now they need a reason to delete it ( or make corrections) Even tweet with announcement was hinting something might go wrong
I wonder if he's adding an extra true final chapter that'll be volume-only, with all the constant fake ending hype it seems like something he'd do.
I think for one chapter he had pretty enough time even with original date. At this point manga not ending would not surprise a lot of people. So may be gorilla has something else in store. Like deleting ss arc and restart final arc sounds a lot like him
 

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Souma with another sharp drop of 20k volume to volume in first week sales!

Act-Age with MASSIVE growth!!
Last Volume 10 days and 38k
This Volume 7 days and 52k
Nice! Glad to see it do well. Hope that growth continues with every passing volume.^^

Bye Bye to both Higuma and Neo lation
Chainsaw man may be survived????????
I hope it survives long enough for MC to touch some tiddies. It's been long since we had a MC that cared about something else then being "first" in something or whatever, whenever it was cooking, sumo, ninjutsus or whatever else. Maybe japanese readers will like it more if MC declares to wanna be first in having most boob contact in the world? XD
 

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So, Rokudenashi Blues Ametalk is next Thursday?
 

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Looks like his art improved since Golem Hearts, the color page looks really good, really wishing that the author gets a new series on Jump, he has potential.
 

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Stone is now selling worse than Yuna. Yikes.
 

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I never once brought up outsourced animation. I'm talking about foreign animators working IN-HOUSE so you might want to check up on your reading comprehension.

You should heed your own advice because again, I didn't write a word about outsourced animation. I even brought up examples like Bahi JD who's living in Japan working with studio Trigger on their new movie called Promare.

Twisting my words to fit your narrative. Clearly I've struck a nerve.

Have you tried the incredible ignore feature?
Why people want to read western author mangas but they ignore their comic books released in europe and america?I prefer(as a reader) the market being diverse rather than manga author comunity being diverse.
Is like we are forcing the "00s deviantart's teen who draw manga" to become real.
 

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Is like we are forcing the "00s deviantart's teen who draw manga" to become real.
But we have one right now in Jump lol
Granted 97 but still close.
 

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First of all, what is your obsession with French people? There are Americans or Russians working in the industry too. Second, you're literally implying outsiders are inferior and can't replicate their style of work or ethic (hence you wanting to preserve it) when there's already examples of many outside animators such as Bahi JD (top animator at studio Trigger) able to keep up with their production. Stop flip flopping so much. Third, why do you think outsiders working in anime industry will ruin their culture? Foreign animators have been working in the anime industry for more than a decade.
None. I used French animator initially since I usually see them on twitter from time to time. I kept it consistent by referring to them. I think a better question is what is your obsession that I'm racist. Where have I implied they are inferior? My personal preference is to have my animation done traditionally by Japanese/asian animators, regardless if the animation quality is better by some of these foreigners which is always not the case.

Yes, it is difficult to replicate the work ethic of Japanese that's been fostered at such a young age. If you think this isn't difficult then clearly you haven't worked a day in your life or at least in a competent job. You can reach for your fav. foreign animators all you like but they aren't representative and I love how you're acting like every foreign animator is suddenly like Bahi JD. That is a weak argument indeed, not representative at all. The work culture of Japan consists of tremendous work hours, not giving into work vacations, working overtime, strict deadlines, willing to take a lot of responsibility towards your work, etc. Your typical foreigner from Europe or America is unlikely to adjust to this lifestyle and will have a very difficult time adjusting. They may or may not have adequate skill but culture is very different. That's not even including obvious factors like languages and basic Japanese business etiquette which would obviously be foreign in other countries. This is international business 101. Which is why having a foreigner can be quite disruptive to their culture.
Nah, I'm going to call bullshit on this unless you have someone from the anime industry with these opinion. The fact that an old fashioned and strict company like Toei allowed French animators like Ken Arto or Mehdi Aouichaoui to work on Dragon Ball Super Broly movie clearly indicates the opposite of what you're saying.
No I wasn't referring that an animator said that. Rather how Japanese feel letting in foreign workers. You do realize that not every Japanese people want a bunch of foreigners coming into their country for the sake of preserving their culture and identity of being homogeneous. It's not racism.
It pisses me off how you use vague words and terms to dodge the issue. What identity are you talking about?
At the end of the day, you're getting pissed off over my personal preference. Let that sink in for a moment. Don't burst a vein now. The identity of animation is that it's produced in Japan, by Japanese people, with it's own style. Are Japanese people superior than everyone else? No. The point is that they have a strong set of work ethic that is part of their culture and are known to be responsible, diligent, etc. It's not to say a foreigner can't have those attributes but rather it's not part of their culture in the same vein as Japanese people. The environment they were raised in is suited for this hard amount of work needed. It's not that they're superior in terms of talent or something weird like you're suggesting I'm saying.
The bollywood analogy was wrong to begin because there are already foreigners in the Indian film industry such as Katrina Kaif who is one of the most top paid actress in India. Also, no, it's fucking not similar. Unlike in live action where race, skin, language, gender actually plays a huge role in deciding the casting, none of those matter in the animation medium.
Nah its not wrong. The similarity is that both animation/manga & bollywood films are part of Japan & India's culture respectively. Katrina Kaif still resembles how some of the top bollywood actresses look, if you look at North Indians. Katrina is hafu I believe, her father is brown and mother white I think. Anyway, I wont go down that rabbit hole since as I pointed out that there's more complexities to in my earlier post and again not representative to the other thousands of actors/actresses/directors/producers/singers/etc.

Both japanese animation/bollywood films have their own flair to it. That was the point of the analogy that Nemesis made. They want to protect it as much as possible. I am aware it's different for the reasons you mentioned. Identity of a bollywood film => produced/directed by Indians, Identity of anime => produced by Japanese.
All you need is a pair of hands, good drawing skill and understanding of the animation medium.
You know you're undermining the work that goes into animation when you start off your sentence by "all you need". Are you that dense? Even if you have the talent you can still very well struggle if you can't adapt to the work culture of Japan. At that point, the talent you do have is of little value but potentially be even a burden to the whole animation production.

It's not a traditional mindset but backwards thinking you bellend. You've been consistently avoiding to explain WHAT you want the animation industry protected from by using vague terms like "culture" and "identity" and without elaborating how an outside animator would have any side effects on those two. If you can't explain why you get bothered without bringing up their race then you shouldn't be surprised by being called a racist because you're discriminating.
I haven't been avoiding it, you're ignorant that's all. It is obvious what I'm talking about. Identity of anime is that it's produced in Japan and typically Japanese people with a lot of hard work put into it, with it's own flair to it as well. I've already explained culture to death in this post and others. The obvious is that Japanese animation has it's own flair to it than the animation you see from western cartoons. As I mentioned earlier, a foreigner will not have the work ethic that the Japanese people have. It's part of their life, even in their academics (school) they are expected a lot and have a high level of standard. They take a lot of responsibility for their actions/work, something that is very rare to see in a foreign work environment to the extent of Japanese. Overall, their level of due care is much higher. This heightened level of responsibility adds a lot of stress in a competitive environment where is already hard as it is for a foreigner. This is all attributed by the environment they've grown up with from their academics to their work life. A foreigner doesn't have that luxury to be raised at that environment at a young age and will obviously be more likely to be at a big disadvantage. Which is why it will bother me to see a foreigner to work there since their chances of failure are much higher. You can't look at these factors I listed in isolation and I'm sure there's more to it.

It's not that they're not welcomed by their race but lack of acceptable work ethic and their likely chance of not surviving. Hence why I don't have much of an issue of Korean/Chinese animators. One of my fav fights this year, Luffy vs Katakuri was worked on by a chinese animator iirc. Korean/Chinese have similar attributes to Japanese when it comes to work ethic. As someone already mentioned this is not racism but rather cultural differences.
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Twisting my words to fit your narrative. Clearly I've struck a nerve.
That's rich coming from you
 

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When do you think the promotion spree for Kishimoto's new series will start?

None. I used French animator initially since I usually see them on twitter from time to time. I kept it consistent by referring to them. I think a better question is what is your obsession that I'm racist. Where have I implied they are inferior? My personal preference is to have my animation done traditionally by Japanese/asian animators, regardless if the animation quality is better by some of these foreigners which is always not the case.

Yes, it is difficult to replicate the work ethic of Japanese that's been fostered at such a young age. If you think this isn't difficult then clearly you haven't worked a day in your life or at least in a competent job. You can reach for your fav. foreign animators all you like but they aren't representative and I love how you're acting like every foreign animator is suddenly like Bahi JD. That is a weak argument indeed, not representative at all. The work culture of Japan consists of tremendous work hours, not giving into work vacations, working overtime, strict deadlines, willing to take a lot of responsibility towards your work, etc. Your typical foreigner from Europe or America is unlikely to adjust to this lifestyle and will have a very difficult time adjusting. They may or may not have adequate skill but culture is very different. That's not even including obvious factors like languages and basic Japanese business etiquette which would obviously be foreign in other countries. This is international business 101. Which is why having a foreigner can be quite disruptive to their culture.

No I wasn't referring that an animator said that. Rather how Japanese feel letting in foreign workers. You do realize that not every Japanese people want a bunch of foreigners coming into their country for the sake of preserving their culture and identity of being homogeneous. It's not racism.

At the end of the day, you're getting pissed off over my personal preference. Let that sink in for a moment. Don't burst a vein now. The identity of animation is that it's produced in Japan, by Japanese people, with it's own style. Are Japanese people superior than everyone else? No. The point is that they have a strong set of work ethic that is part of their culture and are known to be responsible, diligent, etc. It's not to say a foreigner can't have those attributes but rather it's not part of their culture in the same vein as Japanese people. The environment they were raised in is suited for this hard amount of work needed. It's not that they're superior in terms of talent or something weird like you're suggesting I'm saying.

Nah its not wrong. The similarity is that both animation/manga & bollywood films are part of Japan & India's culture respectively. Katrina Kaif still resembles how some of the top bollywood actresses look, if you look at North Indians. Katrina is hafu I believe, her father is brown and mother white I think. Anyway, I wont go down that rabbit hole since as I pointed out that there's more complexities to in my earlier post and again not representative to the other thousands of actors/actresses/directors/producers/singers/etc.

Both japanese animation/bollywood films have their own flair to it. That was the point of the analogy that Nemesis made. They want to protect it as much as possible. I am aware it's different for the reasons you mentioned. Identity of a bollywood film => produced/directed by Indians, Identity of anime => produced by Japanese.

You know you're undermining the work that goes into animation when you start off your sentence by "all you need". Are you that dense? Even if you have the talent you can still very well struggle if you can't adapt to the work culture of Japan. At that point, the talent you do have is of little value but potentially be even a burden to the whole animation production.


I haven't been avoiding it, you're ignorant that's all. It is obvious what I'm talking about. Identity of anime is that it's produced in Japan and typically Japanese people with a lot of hard work put into it, with it's own flair to it as well. I've already explained culture to death in this post and others. The obvious is that Japanese animation has it's own flair to it than the animation you see from western cartoons. As I mentioned earlier, a foreigner will not have the work ethic that the Japanese people have. It's part of their life, even in their academics (school) they are expected a lot and have a high level of standard. They take a lot of responsibility for their actions/work, something that is very rare to see in a foreign work environment to the extent of Japanese. Overall, their level of due care is much higher. This heightened level of responsibility adds a lot of stress in a competitive environment where is already hard as it is for a foreigner. This is all attributed by the environment they've grown up with from their academics to their work life. A foreigner doesn't have that luxury to be raised at that environment at a young age and will obviously be more likely to be at a big disadvantage. Which is why it will bother me to see a foreigner to work there since their chances of failure are much higher. You can't look at these factors I listed in isolation and I'm sure there's more to it.

It's not that they're not welcomed by their race but lack of acceptable work ethic and their likely chance of not surviving. Hence why I don't have much of an issue of Korean/Chinese animators. One of my fav fights this year, Luffy vs Katakuri was worked on by a chinese animator iirc. Korean/Chinese have similar attributes to Japanese when it comes to work ethic. As someone already mentioned this is not racism but rather cultural differences.
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That's rich coming from you
Ya'll can DM each other and discuss.
 
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