Discussion Most Disappointing Things in NNT

[Arjuna]

So what are your most disappointing things in NNT?


Here's mine

(Note this list is based purely on my own belief, you are free to accept or reject it)



1)Sinner's very existence



2) Meliodas's Original Magic and his abnormal power rise in his emotions state.



3) Merlin as pure plot device every time.


4)King's performance against Mael and his illogical, abnormal increase in power because of power of feelings.




5)Dk's lackluster performance.




6)SD basically sitting duck throughout the whole war.



So what are yours?

 

[Redworld96]

About things that happened? The fights against The Sinner and the DK.
About things that DIDN'T happen? Oh dude you better sit down XD

 

[Shadowlord123]

Oh boi, here we go. There are a lot of things, but I'll try to summarize it the best I can. Of course it goes without saying that this is purely my opinion. It isn't a fact and you are free to agree or disagree. Having said that, let's start:

- Ten Commandments: With the exception of Galand and maybe Zeldris, everyone else just got trashed hard, and failed to do any impressive stuff (specially Grayroad, like what was the point of her existence?). Four of the Ten Commandments (Silence, Purity, Repose and Patience) were never explained either.

- Four Archangels: Nakaba didn't do much better with them. He gave them one or two chapters of glory and after that they were killed and deleted of the story. They also took most of the time beatings (from Indura, Zeldris, Mael, etc.).

- Ridiculous power ups: King and Meliodas are the best examples. King literally got stronger to the point of fodderizing the strongest AA + 20% of the DK's power and Emo Mel, the emotions, literally got strong enough to destroy 50% DK, without any proper explanation. Last chapter didn't help at all, since we now know that Mel has a power that conveniently didn't use before to break the curses. Ban, while the circumstaces of his power-up are one of the most reasonable on the entire series, the boost he got was also completely ridiculous. Without his immortality, Snatch abilities and Sacred Treasure he was able to damage and keep up with DK possesed Mel (I understand he was nerfed thanks to Mel beating the crap out of the DK from inside, but still).

- Demon King: This one particularly hurt me, since he was the character I was more hyped to see in action. And the result? Fucking Mael killed way more characters than him and was way more threateningthan him. He failed to do anything impressive. Unable to kill Ban, Mel and Wild during 60 years of battles (they survived more than 6000 battles against him). His arm was casually destroyed by Mel's emotions using a magic that still nobody understands and came out of nowhere. For a God that was hyped to be the creator of a lot of powerful curses (like the Ten Decrees or the Immortality Curse for example), I found his battle style (pretty much only sword slashes and some lightning attacks) to be pretty poor. The plot with him possessing Mel's body had so much potential, but a lot of it was wasted IMO.

- Fights and Power Levels: One of my main problems with the series. The thing here is that since chapter 100, most of the fights have been stomps. If I had to summarize the vast majority of the fights since that point it would be: Character A stomps Character B, then character B reveals his/her true power and stomps character A. At the beginning it was fun to see but it has gotten to a point that 90% of the fights since chapter 100 are stomps and this isn't good at all. Interestingly, all of this began since PL were introduced. There are also times on which statements contradict the plot. For example, what I commented earlier. Zeldris being way more impressive than the Sinner even though he should be far weaker given how he himself stated that he was still below the Masters in power.

- The Sinner: The fusion of two demons that were regarded as the strongest besides the DK. You would expect something colosal coming from this, but in the end he was a joke. He struggled to put down a weakened Escanor, got humiliated by Ludoshel in his OG Body and (most likely) oneshotted by Post-Noon Mael like he was fodder. To add salt on the injury, Zeldris, who he himself stated he was weaker than the Masters individually did a much better job than him. His personality also was boring as hell. To summarize it, he was a walking disappointment. It would have been a thousand times better if Nakaba kept Chandler and Cusack around if he was going to make them fuse and become a joke of this caliber IMO.

- SD being only a name thus far: Three out of four of her elite warriors are dead, the DK already made his move on the War and nearly killed everyone, Meliodas broke the curses and she still hasn't done anything. We haven't even seen her utter a word and in a couple of months the manga should end. For someone who is supposed to be the main antagonist along the DK I find this very strange. Hopefully Nakaba has a strong reason for it (if not, this is another negative point).

This is it for the moment. If I remember something more I'll write it. I can't help but think that NNT had a lot of potential. IMO, it had the potential to be one of the best shonens ever created but Nakaba just wasted the majority of that potential. It's really a shame to see a manga that initially loved so much become like this. Even now, I still look forward to it but not on the same light I used to.

 

[Estarossa173]

- Character deaths that are made pointless. Just to name a few: Derieri, monspeet, Wild, Drole, Gloxinia.
- The Ten Commandments. I mean, come on. With the exception of zeldris, the rest of them were trash.
- the Four Archangels. They had VERY few moments to shine. Sariel and Tarmiel was removed from the story just so the sins can shine.
- Power Levels. I don’t even need to explain this one.
- SD. Where the fuck is she when all this shit is going down.
- The Demon King. Just terrible. Completely underwhelming. He didn’t do anything impressive. ANYTHING!
- The original demon. Why the fuck would nakaba get rid of cusack and chandler if their fusion performed worse than those two did individually? Why the hell would nakaba bring this fusion in if he was going to be SO fucking disappointing? He struggled to beat a weakened escanor, he got toyed with by King, Ludociel and Mael (with the latter oneshotting him).
-MOTHERFUCKING MERLIN. My god. Can she be any more of a plot device? It’s like she knows almost any solution to a problem.
-Fights. I wish the fights would stop being so onesided. Like seriously, it’s like the villains overwhelm the good guys but then suddenly the good guys are able to quickly make a comeback and win EASILY.
- Characters doing 180 turns out of nowhere. The biggest examples of this are: derieri, Monspeet, Ludociel.
- Meliodas’s absurd power ups. His assault mode was iffy but passable. Everything after that is complete bullshit.

 

[john ellis]

everything before chapter 127 was a great manga one of the best, everything after, lets just say were potenially bleach tier now bois, quite literally we had our 1 good soul society arc then everything hit the fan(not as hard in the 10c arc)

 

[MrSchmitty7]

The introduction of the graces. Made Escanor and his whole character bland

Nakaba’s favoritism towards demons

DK’s magic ability- it’s just a way to make magic useless, which essentially just makes this manga dbz.

Nakaba not releasing any back stories

Mel’s OG magic

Removing bans immortality

Merlin being inconsistent af

 

[Seven777]

Diane not doing more

The DK

The SD not showing up

Everyone bar the DK being portrayed as a good guy on the inside.

 

[OtakuFreak]

The introduction of the graces. Made Escanor and his whole character bland

Meh, he should've made Mael's inherent magical power ''Sun'' itself but have the SD empower it a little to reward her mightiest warrior.

Maybe when it fell into Escanor's possession it mutated or strengthened in a certain aspect so Escanor didn't look like shit lol

 

[Samael Morningstar]

My problems were
1. Diane and gowther not getting any power up
2.SD didnt even appear till now
3.as a fanboy i couldn't see Mael in one mode
4.Elizabeth was said to equal ludo and mael still no impressive feats from her aside from healings, I believe she should have been given some impressive feats at least she should have been treated like ludo.
Further nakaba even said that he has kept something for Elizabeth which has not been shown till now.
5.ludo and Mael's grace dimension just like sar and tar's
6.No threatening villain up to this point
7. Induras were given awesome hype but we're trashed.
8.Escanor not having any innate magic ability of his own.

And many more that I can't even recall it all properly

 

[oxtopus]

Basically, Everything after Galan was a complete disappointment. All other demons, all angels, all humans, all sins, Dk... Everything!

 

[Samael Morningstar]

One of the most dissapointing thing in NNT is its Blind fans
I mean they are comparing Meliodas to the likes of Naruto and are even saying that he defeats Naruto LOL.
Naruto oneshots Meliodas but his fans are like no Meliodas defeats him.
Another fact is that the NNT verse strongest like the gods and Meliodas are at max country level but the fans are putting them at multi continent to small planetary level.

 

[LaserBeam]

For me: a totally unexplored or little explored world building and lore.

Little exposition (development about the majority of the races)


Characters, with crazy broken abilities with no decent restrictions, keeping them from going overboard <<yes i am looking at you 7ds>>

Awful, matchup choices in the fights

Really awful fights: -with no real tension ,sense of danger and the main cast <<effortless defeating>>them

<<Waste of time>> bad guys ,( previously [hyped a lot] by the story) getting defeated super easy, without even archieving (anything
or after archieving something of no importance), that a<<future action>> would undo that anyway deem it pointless.


Toddler lvl teamworks, trying to insulting our intelligent: (by showing [ 3-4] people doing one attack or something).

-Incosistencies in the story: << the art and the dialogue were contradicting each other >>

Many characters but little use of them and even less exposition about them.


Perhaps, i will update it as it seems that (atm) , i am forgetting some stuff.

--- Double Post Merged, Apr 12, 2019, Original Post Date: Apr 12, 2019 ---

Oh boi, here we go. There are a lot of things, but I'll try to summarize it the best I can. Of course it goes without saying that this is purely my opinion. It isn't a fact and you are free to agree or disagree. Having said that, let's start:

- Ten Commandments: With the exception of Galand and maybe Zeldris, everyone else just got trashed hard, and failed to do any impressive stuff (specially Grayroad, like what was the point of her existence?). Four of the Ten Commandments (Silence, Purity, Repose and Patience) were never explained either.

- Four Archangels: Nakaba didn't do much better with them. He gave them one or two chapters of glory and after that they were killed and deleted of the story. They also took most of the time beatings (from Indura, Zeldris, Mael, etc.).

- Ridiculous power ups: King and Meliodas are the best examples. King literally got stronger to the point of fodderizing the strongest AA + 20% of the DK's power and Emo Mel, the emotions, literally got strong enough to destroy 50% DK, without any proper explanation. Last chapter didn't help at all, since we now know that Mel has a power that conveniently didn't use before to break the curses. Ban, while the circumstaces of his power-up are one of the most reasonable on the entire series, the boost he got was also completely ridiculous. Without his immortality, Snatch abilities and Sacred Treasure he was able to damage and keep up with DK possesed Mel (I understand he was nerfed thanks to Mel beating the crap out of the DK from inside, but still).

- Demon King: This one particularly hurt me, since he was the character I was more hyped to see in action. And the result? Fucking Mael killed way more characters than him and was way more threateningthan him. He failed to do anything impressive. Unable to kill Ban, Mel and Wild during 60 years of battles (they survived more than 6000 battles against him). His arm was casually destroyed by Mel's emotions using a magic that still nobody understands and came out of nowhere. For a God that was hyped to be the creator of a lot of powerful curses (like the Ten Decrees or the Immortality Curse for example), I found his battle style (pretty much only sword slashes and some lightning attacks) to be pretty poor. The plot with him possessing Mel's body had so much potential, but a lot of it was wasted IMO.

- Fights and Power Levels: One of my main problems with the series. The thing here is that since chapter 100, most of the fights have been stomps. If I had to summarize the vast majority of the fights since that point it would be: Character A stomps Character B, then character B reveals his/her true power and stomps character A. At the beginning it was fun to see but it has gotten to a point that 90% of the fights since chapter 100 are stomps and this isn't good at all. Interestingly, all of this began since PL were introduced. There are also times on which statements contradict the plot. For example, what I commented earlier. Zeldris being way more impressive than the Sinner even though he should be far weaker given how he himself stated that he was still below the Masters in power.

- The Sinner: The fusion of two demons that were regarded as the strongest besides the DK. You would expect something colosal coming from this, but in the end he was a joke. He struggled to put down a weakened Escanor, got humiliated by Ludoshel in his OG Body and (most likely) oneshotted by Post-Noon Mael like he was fodder. To add salt on the injury, Zeldris, who he himself stated he was weaker than the Masters individually did a much better job than him. His personality also was boring as hell. To summarize it, he was a walking disappointment. It would have been a thousand times better if Nakaba kept Chandler and Cusack around if he was going to make them fuse and become a joke of this caliber IMO.

- SD being only a name thus far: Three out of four of her elite warriors are dead, the DK already made his move on the War and nearly killed everyone, Meliodas broke the curses and she still hasn't done anything. We haven't even seen her utter a word and in a couple of months the manga should end. For someone who is supposed to be the main antagonist along the DK I find this very strange. Hopefully Nakaba has a strong reason for it (if not, this is another negative point).

This is it for the moment. If I remember something more I'll write it. I can't help but think that NNT had a lot of potential. IMO, it had the potential to be one of the best shonens ever created but Nakaba just wasted the majority of that potential. It's really a shame to see a manga that initially loved so much become like this. Even now, I still look forward to it but not on the same light I used to.

I think zeldris was also got trashed... <<remember, how many times he lost and with what way>>:

-He was kicked out by escanor with estarossa by a cruel sun.
-Later on, he was close to lose by escanor's a one finger attack.
- lost 2 times in a row by vessel rueodecel super easy (the only thing [that kept him in the game] was his darkness regeneration and nothing else).
-Lost to mael after mael going super easy on him <<he didn't wanted to hurt zeldris>> he didn't even used his grace powers at all.

Gallant, was trashed later by himself to hype escanor. The only good fight gallant gave, was during his 1rst encounter.

 

[harlequin]

This manga is still okay and quite acceptable even when we reach chap 300.

But then it hit its bottom right away, i can't understand. Nakaba what have you done? What was really going on?

 

[Estarossa173]

For me: a totally unexplored or little explored world building and lore.

Little exposition (development about the majority of the races)


Characters, with crazy broken abilities with no decent restrictions, keeping them from going overboard <<yes i am looking at you 7ds>>

Awful, matchup choices in the fights

Really awful fights: -with no real tension ,sense of danger and the main cast <<effortless defeating>>them

<<Waste of time>> bad guys ,( previously [hyped a lot] by the story) getting defeated super easy, without even archieving (anything
or after archieving something of no importance), that a<<future action>> would undo that anyway deem it pointless.


Toddler lvl teamworks, trying to insulting our intelligent: (by showing [ 3-4] people doing one attack or something).

-Incosistencies in the story: << the art and the dialogue were contradicting each other >>

Many characters but little use of them and even less exposition about them.


Perhaps, i will update it as it seems that (atm) , i am forgetting some stuff.

--- Double Post Merged, Apr 12, 2019, Original Post Date: Apr 12, 2019 ---

I think zeldris was also got trashed... <<remember, how many times he lost and with what way>>:

-He was kicked out by escanor with estarossa by a cruel sun.
-Later on, he was close to lose by escanor's a one finger attack.
- lost 2 times in a row by vessel rueodecel super easy (the only thing [that kept him in the game] was his darkness regeneration and nothing else).
-Lost to mael after mael going super easy on him <<he didn't wanted to hurt zeldris>> he didn't even used his grace powers at all.

Gallant, was trashed later by himself to hype escanor. The only good fight gallant gave, was during his 1rst encounter.

Just to add what you said about Zeldris: he’s been in the series since chapter 109 and it’s only around chapter 285/286 that we actually see Zeldris’s power.

Nakaba basically sidelined Zeldris for almost 200 fucking chapters.

 

[OtakuFreak]

The way Nakaba decided the fights in this war-arc was absolutely terrible. It should've been (assuming PL's were fairly done well and not ass):

2G-Elizabeth & Gowther VS 4C-Mael

Chandler VS King & Diane & Gowther.

Cusack VS Escanor & Merlin.

Zeldris VS Ludoshel

2G-Elizabeth VS 5C-Meliodas (which leads to them absorbing the other graces/commandments)

The Sinner & Zeldris VS King, Diane, Gowther, Escanor, Merlin & Ludoshel (this is when the power-ups are done well and the sinner IS actually powerful and a threat).

Supreme Deity VS Demon King (Eliz/Mel absorb all the corresponding powers and get possessed)

The Sinner & Zeldris betray the DK since he possessed Mel and work with King, Diane, Merlin & Gowther in order to purge the Gods from each respective bodies. (Escanor gave up his grace to Elizabeth since his body finally rejected it. Ludoshel doesn't have a shitty turn over in character and actually supports the SD's actions in possession Elizabeth and looks for an opportunity to end the demons & Gowther (for Mael)

Eventually, Gowther with the help of Merlin's infinite magical power uses a forbidden spell, sacrificing himself in the process (like his creator) in order to purge the Gods from each child successfully.

Maybe Eliz/Mel VS DK/SD as the final fight?

 

[Andr3AS]

Why do you all want to see Elizabeth with the 4g? It makes no sense! Elizabeth wanted to remove the curse in another way by not absorbing the powers of her parents for this she wanted to stop Meliodas. Elizabeth even if she had the opportunity to absorb the 4 graces she would have refused the offer

 

[Merlin918]

Why do you all want to see Elizabeth with the 4g? It makes no sense! Elizabeth wanted to remove the curse in another way by not absorbing the powers of her parents for this she wanted to stop Meliodas. Elizabeth even if she had the opportunity to absorb the 4 graces she would have refused the offer

Except when everyone knows a 10C meliodas is going to awaken from the cocoon there aren't a lot of better options. Sure she might not want to use that power to get rid of the curse, but what better option do they have if he is really at that level of power?

The reason Elizabeth didn't want Meliodas to get the 10 Commandments was so he wouldn't become Demon King after using them to remove her curse. It's not the power in itself that's the problem, it's what he wants to do with it. In Elizabeth's case, she has no way to know the SD might possess her if she absorbs the graces while he is still in the cocoon, all she knows is it will give her enough power to stop Meliodas.

 

[OtakuFreak]

Why do you all want to see Elizabeth with the 4g?

Nakaba made it perfectly clear that the only logical way (I.E no ass-pull or shit writing) of combating against the Demon King's power is through the Supreme Deity, the graces she bestowed upon the Four Archangels.

This is why the only logical solution to defeat 5C-Meliodas/Demon King Meliodas was for somebody to absorb the graces and become his equivalent.

Meliodas & Zeldris were capable of absorbing the commandments due to their heritage from the Demon King, the same applies to Elizabeth with the graces which are from her mother, thus why many of us wanted her to absorb them. But instead of a logical solution, which would both develop Elizabeth's character and give her the deserving spotlight she deserves, Nakaba decides to have Ban ass-pull his way to God level and man-handle the Demon King.

People were SO against Elizabeth absorbing the graces back when it was first proposed during 4C-Mael's terror against the group, yet look what we got instead - King having a idiotic power-up because of ''muh dog'', Masters getting solo-ed by Merlin because ''muh infinity'' and DK getting man-handled by Ban because ''muh training against fodder''.

It's astounding how many people (not necessarily you) were against the only method in logically combating Meliodas LOL.

It makes no sense! Elizabeth wanted to remove the curse in another way by not absorbing the powers of her parents for this she wanted to stop Meliodas.

She never implied that she was against HERSELF absorbing the graces, she was just against Meliodas doing it with the commandments due to him being forced to leave the mortal realm and leaving everyone behind.

Think about it, Elizabeth was incredibly desperate to stop Meliodas at all cost, even if it costs her future as a cursed goddess - so if she saw Meliodas as the Demon King and had no other method but to absorb the graces to stop him, do you really think she wouldn't do it?

Meliodas recognised that he needed to absorb the commandments to break the curse, even when he didn't do want and said he wouldn't - yet he did it and is labelled as a hypocrite, yet people give him a pass!? Elizabeth doing the same thing definitely would make her a hypocrite, but for some reason everyone gives her more slack.

Elizabeth even if she had the opportunity to absorb the 4 graces she would have refused the offer

How do you know that? Frankly, there were plenty of opportunities for Elizabeth to absorb the graces during the war but since Nakaba is a terrible writer, he decided to opt out for the ass-pull solution.

Elizabeth may not want to absorb the graces and essentially become the Supreme Deity herself, but if she had to in order to save Meliodas and everyone else she cared about, she definitely would.

 

[Andr3AS]

Nakaba made it perfectly clear that the only logical way (I.E no ass-pull or shit writing) of combating against the Demon King's power is through the Supreme Deity, the graces she bestowed upon the Four Archangels.

This is why the only logical solution to defeat 5C-Meliodas/Demon King Meliodas was for somebody to absorb the graces and become his equivalent.

Meliodas & Zeldris were capable of absorbing the commandments due to their heritage from the Demon King, the same applies to Elizabeth with the graces which are from her mother, thus why many of us wanted her to absorb them. But instead of a logical solution, which would both develop Elizabeth's character and give her the deserving spotlight she deserves, Nakaba decides to have Ban ass-pull his way to God level and man-handle the Demon King.

People were SO against Elizabeth absorbing the graces back when it was first proposed during 4C-Mael's terror against the group, yet look what we got instead - King having a idiotic power-up because of ''muh dog'', Masters getting solo-ed by Merlin because ''muh infinity'' and DK getting man-handled by Ban because ''muh training against fodder''.

It's astounding how many people (not necessarily you) were against the only method in logically combating Meliodas LOL.



She never implied that she was against HERSELF absorbing the graces, she was just against Meliodas doing it with the commandments due to him being forced to leave the mortal realm and leaving everyone behind.

Think about it, Elizabeth was incredibly desperate to stop Meliodas at all cost, even if it costs her future as a cursed goddess - so if she saw Meliodas as the Demon King and had no other method but to absorb the graces to stop him, do you really think she wouldn't do it?

Meliodas recognised that he needed to absorb the commandments to break the curse, even when he didn't do want and said he wouldn't - yet he did it and is labelled as a hypocrite, yet people give him a pass!? Elizabeth doing the same thing definitely would make her a hypocrite, but for some reason everyone gives her more slack.



How do you know that? Frankly, there were plenty of opportunities for Elizabeth to absorb the graces during the war but since Nakaba is a terrible writer, he decided to opt out for the ass-pull solution.

Elizabeth may not want to absorb the graces and essentially become the Supreme Deity herself, but if she had to in order to save Meliodas and everyone else she cared about, she definitely would.

Stop Meliodas from becoming King of demons, becoming Supreme goddess..... Ok It seems to me everything in the norm

 

[Arjuna]

The problem is I personally feel if Elizabeth absorbed all 4 Graces her mother would have probably taken over her body and prevented her from doing anything.


But yeah that scenario was much better than Meliodas OGMagic.