One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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7. Law having CoC currently.
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[thedude]

I find it hard to believe any of the main SH taking out the big shots of this arc. A lot of power ups are gonna be handed out. But How? is the question

i don't find that hard to believe...it's a shounen manga! It's literally happened every single arc so far. "well what do you know, Luffy beat that guy who looked way stronger than him 50 chapters ago, how about that"...if you are still saying that 20 years and 940 chapters later, well, we've been reading different manga!

 

[XXGenesis]

i don't find that hard to believe...it's a shounen manga! It's literally happened every single arc so far. "well what do you know, Luffy beat that guy who looked way stronger than him 50 chapters ago, how about that"...if you are still saying that 20 years and 940 chapters later, well, we've been reading different manga!

We must be. What you are arguing with me is my personal taste of opinion. I don't know why, you must be bored.

Others share my opinion of The antagonist strentght being not just a notch above Luffy. Kiado is vastly superior , so if a power up is given. Its suppose to be believable to the story's standards, that the power up was suitable to give a win, or how the character attains such power.

Sorry, I like battle Shounen, that's good. Not FT lv, of writing or story telling

 

[King Moe]

We must be. What you are arguing with me is my personal taste of opinion. I don't know why, you must be bored.

Others share my opinion of The antagonist strentght being not just a notch above Luffy. Kiado is vastly superior , so if a power up is given. Its suppose to be believable to the story's standards, that the power up was suitable to give a win, or how the character attains such power.

Sorry, I like battle Shounen, that's good. Not FT lv, of story writing telling

What FT lol of writing? A lot of Shounen are like this on training and powerups end of the day.

 

[Fox666]

I find it hard to believe any of the main SH taking out the big shots of this arc. A lot of power ups are gonna be handed out. But How? is the question

Several characters were introduced (Inuarashi, Asura Douji, etc) who can take on the commanders. I can only assume the Strawhats are going to fight someone else. Personally I would find it way better if Zoro or Sanji would take on someone on the level of Chinjao or Perosperos instead of a commander right away.

 

[XXGenesis]

Several characters were introduced (Inuarashi, Asura Douji, etc) who can take on the commanders. I can only assume the Strawhats are going to fight someone else. Personally I would find it way better if Zoro or Sanji would take on someone on the level of Chinjao or Perosperos instead of a commander right away.

Agreed. Sanji & Zoro need a good fight around that tier before reaching the commanders.

Our Alliance Team have enough Heavy Hitters to mount an attack. It's when you think about BM & company, that adds more Commanders and executive threats.

I expect Marco & Necko to make a grand entrance during the battle, which adds to the team's overall power. But it would be nice to Know, or get more foreshadowing on how Zoro & Sanji gonna get stronger

 

[thedude]

We must be. What you are arguing with me is my personal taste of opinion. I don't know why, you must be bored.

Others share my opinion of The antagonist strentght being not just a notch above Luffy. Kiado is vastly superior , so if a power up is given. Its suppose to be believable to the story's standards, that the power up was suitable to give a win, or how the character attains such power.

Sorry, I like battle Shounen, that's good. Not FT lv, of writing or story telling

I'm not arguing, i'm stating how manga works. You and others can have your opinions, but in the grand scheme of things those are irrelevant, Luffy will beat Kaido somehow in this arc.

 

[King Moe]

Several characters were introduced (Inuarashi, Asura Douji, etc) who can take on the commanders. I can only assume the Strawhats are going to fight someone else. Personally I would find it way better if Zoro or Sanji would take on someone on the level of Chinjao or Perosperos instead of a commander right away.

If Luffy is facing a Yonko head-on, Sanji and Zoro will have opponents close or at least 'closest' to his power to who Luffy's has been fighting. It usually been like then when they come to fight with their captain. King, Queen, Jack, and Orochi are the ones for them (Looking to be Sanji vs Queen or King and Zoro vs Orochi from how the plot and routes is heading), so don't see them facing someone below them as much even with their allies as that never stop the two before facing bigger threats. If Luffy going to challenge a Yonko head-on, Sanji and Zoro will feel the need to take on bigger threats than have ever face so far as well.

 

[Fox666]

It has been quite different from that post-timeskip, especially for Sanji. If the author is using any formula, Sanji is going to get his ass kicked to prove that the villain is a real treat...

 

[King Moe]

It has been quite different from that post-timeskip, especially for Sanji. If the author is using any formula, Sanji is going to get his ass kicked to prove that the villain is a real treat...

What you talking about? Sanji only true lost is to Doflamingo and even then he was conscious. His other fights were interfered or hold back due to reasons. He haven't really been use for hype to much during post-timeskip especially lately as he defeated T6H. Looking more like Zoro is more hype tool lately after fainting from one hit of a enemy who possible not even T6H lvl or more to hype up Kaido's group on tougher threats for him and others later. Thus he need to retrain himself more. I think your overthinking of how fight goes as it haven't been that bad especially for Sanji. His issue is lack of fighting fully, not for losing a lot which hasn't happen much.

 

[Fox666]

Not sure where you are getting at. I was only pointing out that Sanji has not been fighting the "closest in power" to Luffy's opponent since Fishman Island.

 

[AINSOOALGOWN_SAMA]

Sanji only true lost is to Doflamingo and even then he was conscious.

Are you trying to give a reason as to why Sanji lost or would've been severely injured or dead against Doffy?
Really?

Sanji stood no chance against Doffy, neither did Zoro. Doflamingo was superior to those 2. End of discussion.

Until they get and backup their respective power ups (Sanji's gotten his), they are still inferior to the likes of Doflamingo.

Probably by the end of Wano arc we'll be able to say Zoro or Sanji can fight toe to toe with Doflamingo and maybe get the win.
But not now.
They have a lot to prove. A whole lot.

 

[hokageji]

I am more interested in Kaido > Big Mama part.... While Kaido is considered to be the strongest creature, the way Mama pays no heed to his threat of killing her by saying "I'd like to see you try" atleast tells us shes insanely strong and there's either been a duel in the past where Mama's beaten him or she or has a trick to beat Kaido. Kaido also showed concern of Mama entering Wano...

Kaido is not unbeatable, he's been beating 7 times in the past or so. Even his title "strongest creature" was only after time skip and the death of Whitebeard, right? I really hope this battle happens, its one worth for the entire series.

 

[AINSOOALGOWN_SAMA]

I am more interested in Kaido > Big Mama part.... While Kaido is considered to be the strongest creature, the way Mama pays no heed to his threat of killing her by saying "I'd like to see you try" atleast tells us shes insanely strong and there's either been a duel in the past where Mama's beaten him or she or has a trick to beat Kaido. Kaido also showed concern of Mama entering Wano...

Kaido is not unbeatable, he's been beating 7 times in the past or so. Even his title "strongest creature" was only after time skip and the death of Whitebeard, right? I really hope this battle happens, its one worth for the entire series.

Just because Kaido is strongest creature does not mean he's the strongest Yonko overall.

He might as well have the best Defence among the Yonko as his greatest attribute.
Big Mom – strongest offense,
Blackbeard – most destructive due to OP DFs,
Shanks – strongest Haki.
Doesn't mean anyone of them is lacking in the areas where another is best at.

Kaido might be the weakest of the Yonko or the strongest. Same can apply to Shanks, Big Mom, Blackbeard.
One thing is sure: Their overall combat prowess is very close.
Some do argue though that the first to be taken down by the protagonist in a given group is generally considered the weakest.
For example: Croc of the Shichibukai, Cracker of the Yonko Commanders in Big Mom's crew.
So, Kaido of the Yonko.

The rule might just be different this time around... Or not...

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Kaido is not unbeatable, he's been beating 7 times in the past or so. Even his title "strongest creature" was only after time skip and the death of Whitebeard, right?

I think he's had that epithet since he became a Yonko. Only revealed to us Post time skip.
I remember his name was a pretty big deal when Shanks arrived at Marineford.
"Strongest Creature", "Strongest Man", "Strongest Swordsman".
Epithet doesn't make them unbeatable.They are/were bound to be defeated at one/many point(s) in their life.

 

[hokageji]

Just because Kaido is strongest creature does not mean he's the strongest Yonko overall.

I am guessing you mean Kaido as a individual Yonko and not the beast pirates. I think as pirates, BMP >> beast pirates from what we've seen so far.

But if we are talking as an individual, if he is the strongest creature, how can he be the weakest Yonko?

One thing is sure: Their overall combat prowess is very close.

Yea, seeing how much of a terror Big Mama is, i wouldnt be surprised.

For example: Croc of the Shichibukai, Cracker of the Yonko Commanders in Big Mom's crew.
So, Kaido of the Yonko.

The rule might just be different this time around... Or not...

I dont think Croc was the weakest of the original shichibukai, Cracker was perhaps weakest only if you consider the demotion of Snack. And by that logic, wouldn't Lucci and Blueno be the weakest? We know Blueno was stronger than Kumadori, Fukuro and Kalifa, and Lucci was the strongest.

 

[AINSOOALGOWN_SAMA]

But if we are talking as an individual, if he is the strongest creature, how can he be the weakest Yonko?

Beats me.

How is the strongest creature weaker than the strongest man who's also a creature?

I am guessing you mean Kaido as a individual Yonko and not the beast pirates.

Of course I'm considering each Yonko individually.

 

[hokageji]

hink he's had that epithet since he became a Yonko. Only revealed to us Post Time Skip.
I remember his name was a pretty big deal when Shanks arrived at Marineford.
"Strongest Creature", "Strongest Man", "Strongest Swordsman".
Epithet doesn't make them unbeatable.They are/were bound to be defeated at one/many point(s) in their life.

You are right, just looked it up.

Excerpt from Ace's novel:

• Shanks becomes terrible if he becomes angry
  Whitebeard becomes terrible if someone did bad things against his rights ( Like family ) , He is the strongest pirate in the world !
• Mama becomes terrible if she is unhappy ! Her family is the most terrible one in the world !
• Kaido is terrible even only with his own Existence ! He is the most powerful creature in the world !
• Before the time of Yonkou, it was a time of Roger, Whitebeard and Shiki.
• Charlotte Linlin had her territory at that time and was already a big treat.
• Whitebeard and Big mom are around same generation. Shanks and Kaidou are in a younger generation.

Since the incidents on the novel were before time skip, or even before Luffy set out for his journey, the epithet has stuck around for a while.

So he surely is not unbeatable, but it still implies he is hard to take down mano e mano.

 

[King Moe]

Not sure where you are getting at. I was only pointing out that Sanji has not been fighting the "closest in power" to Luffy's opponent since Fishman Island.

Same with Zoro, but the arcs they been in have Monster Trio not together and different situations to the arc purpose. Wano is a direct confrontation and Sanji and Zoro will gave their own challenges just like Luffy on facing stronger opponents.

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Are you trying to give a reason as to why Sanji lost or would've been severely injured or dead against Doffy?
Really?

Sanji stood no chance against Doffy, neither did Zoro. Doflamingo was superior to those 2. End of discussion.

Until they get and backup their respective power ups (Sanji's gotten his), they are still inferior to the likes of Doflamingo.

Probably by the end of Wano arc we'll be able to say Zoro or Sanji can fight toe to toe with Doflamingo and maybe get the win.
But not now.
They have a lot to prove. A whole lot.

What reason? I said he lost to Doffy. Where you didn't understand that? Talking about other fights outside that he never really lost a fight except that one.

From how things are looking on their final fight opponents, end of arc they will be above Doflamingo. Doflamingo is like YC4 a.k.a. Snack lvl if I have to compare his power to Kaido's crew probably. If the two beat their opponents, don't see them still under or equal to Doffy anymore.

 

[AINSOOALGOWN_SAMA]

What reason? I said he lost to Doffy. Where you didn't understand that? Talking about other fights outside that he never really lost a fight except that one.

Oh! Thought you were hinting at something else.

From how things are looking on their final fight opponents, end of arc they will be above Doflamingo. Doflamingo is like YC4 a.k.a. Snack lvl if I have to compare his power to Kaido's crew probably. If the two beat their opponents, don't see them still under or equal to Doffy anymore.

Just because they might defeat some powerful opponents doesn't immediately put them over Doffy. It's at that point we could debate if one of them could take on Doffy and win based on their performance in Wano.

Doflamingo is easily at Cracker's level if we are considering his powers overall. Maybe slightly weaker than Cracker.

Snack was defeated by Urouge and also Kidd (IIRC). Meanwhile Cracker sent them both packing. Snack is clearly not at Doffy's level. Doffy is superior to any of the Supernova bar Luffy.

 

[M3J]

I wonder if BIg Mom's role in this arc is to show us how powerful Luffy's gotten. Like, Big Mom probably lost her memory so Chopper and others would be more willing to take her to Luffy, and when she sees Luffy being Luffy, she'll get her memory back. THen, it'll be a fight in which Luffy will show how much stronger and asspulls he's gotten because of the training since if he can at least damage Big Mom, then he MIGHT stand a chance against Kaidou.

 

[Pirate Queen]

I wonder if BIg Mom's role in this arc is to show us how powerful Luffy's gotten. Like, Big Mom probably lost her memory so Chopper and others would be more willing to take her to Luffy, and when she sees Luffy being Luffy, she'll get her memory back. THen, it'll be a fight in which Luffy will show how much stronger and asspulls he's gotten because of the training since if he can at least damage Big Mom, then he MIGHT stand a chance against Kaidou.

Asspulls? Lol, like what???