Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2019] - Discussion and TOC Talk

[4Eyes]

The issue is that they want to make the new Gintama/Sket Dance/Beelzebub, but the issue is that those series were able to become successes purely because they had the time to build a working setting and cast. With the environment of Jump much faster, however, with series having to make a significant impression in just two months or be canceled, they lack that, and thus their only solution is to try and throw as much shit at the wall as humanly possible.

For reference, a modernized take on Gintama's "semi-gag" format would be something like Golden Kamuy and Spy X Family, series which have a constantly moving, ongoing story to take the characters through various events.

They don't? IIRC Sket Dance actually did all the basic setting on the first chapter but started dead last on the toc and only picked up because Shinohara came up with the Student Council around ch 10 and they were very likeable characters. The setting was done in the first chapter but was the cast that saved it later on.

We're 15 chapters in on Yui Kamio and the author couldn't deliver likeable characters.

 

[LuckyJim]

According to their twitter, they aren't picking it up, just translating the first chapter. I guess it's to promote the series, which is kind of weird because they don't say anything about mangaplus, and the series is already on its third chapter.

 

[Jovan]

Jump+ news: Shokugeki no Souma L'Etoile to end after 47 monthly chapters. Volume 8 will release in October.

RIP (2015-2019)

 

[Rain Spectre]

They don't? IIRC Sket Dance actually did all the basic setting on the first chapter but started dead last on the toc and only picked up because Shinohara came up with the Student Council around ch 10 and they were very likeable characters. The setting was done in the first chapter but was the cast that saved it later on.

We're 15 chapters in on Yui Kamio and the author couldn't deliver likeable characters.

I mean, yeah, Shinohara did establish the premise of the series (three teens run an odd-jobs club at their school) in Chapter 1 along with the main cast, but there is a lot of other things like, as you said, the Student Council, that could only be included because the series was given the time and breathing room to establish it. In the modern environment, readers would've tuned out by that point.

 

[Stivie]

Now that I think about it, has there been a veteran mangaka with a first hit and a third disaster like Yui and Shibashi? Such a tragic case...

Aimoto Shou had 2 public manga on jump Mudd and hokenshitsu no shinigame, both were unsuccessful (although shinigame lasted 10 volumes, so technically it was not a failure).
And currently she is in the sq jump working in kemono jihen, and is a success.

 

[Maxy Barnard]

They don't? IIRC Sket Dance actually did all the basic setting on the first chapter but started dead last on the toc and only picked up because Shinohara came up with the Student Council around ch 10 and they were very likeable characters. The setting was done in the first chapter but was the cast that saved it later on.

We're 15 chapters in on Yui Kamio and the author couldn't deliver likeable characters.

i mean it did most of the setup in the one-shot, as a rare case of a series just carrying on from that point. But man like it was really touch and go with the series for a while. Like even till a bit after the student council were introduced it felt like the series was a bit at risk.

That the series went on to blow up as it did is a bit of a lovely miracle

 

[animeexpert]

My dad works at Shueisha and he told me Ne0;lation was the most successful Jump series of all time and it only ended it because the author kept a record of how many Cherrioes he ate each morning and Nakano thought that was weird.

But srsly guys, we all wanted ne0lation & higuma to survive. That batch has the most original plot and setting and likeable for an long run. But they had shitty editors that didnt do much help for changing things. Most tragic batch I didnt want to be axed

 

[Nemesis]

I miss Sket Dance. I wish Shinohara came back to WSJ with a new manga similar to it, as Sket Dance is one of my favorite manga by far.

 

[Mr.Fujimaster]

I miss Sket Dance. I wish Shinohara came back to WSJ with a new manga similar to it, as Sket Dance is one of my favorite manga by far.

I agree.
Shinohara needs to come back.

 

[Stivie]

But srsly guys, we all wanted ne0lation & higuma to survive. That batch has the most original plot and setting and likeable for an long run. But they had shitty editors that didnt do much help for changing things. Most tragic batch I didnt want to be axed

really the lot of chainsaw man, Neolation and Higuma was by far the best so far.
The good thing is that at least chainsaw survived, different from the lot of saiyuki and kamio yui.

 

[Rain Spectre]

I agree.
Shinohara needs to come back.

If Shinohara comes back to WSJ (which is something I think people are forgetting, even if a bunch of mangaka have new stuff in the works doesn't mean it'll be in the main magazine), I think it would be closer to Astra, not Sket Dance.

 

[Stivie]

I miss Sket Dance. I wish Shinohara came back to WSJ with a new manga similar to it, as Sket Dance is one of my favorite manga by far.

Back it goes, but in WSJ I have my doubts. At jump+ he seemed to have more freedom and also did not have to compete with other mangakas.

 

[Mr.Fujimaster]

But srsly guys, we all wanted ne0lation & higuma to survive. That batch has the most original plot and setting and likeable for an long run. But they had shitty editors that didnt do much help for changing things. Most tragic batch I didnt want to be axed

Nah.
This new batch and WNL batch is very better.

If Shinohara comes back to WSJ (which is something I think people are forgetting, even if a bunch of mangaka have new stuff in the works doesn't mean it'll be in the main magazine), I think it would be closer to Astra, not Sket Dance.

Being like Astra or Sket Dance, the important thing is him returning.

 

[Nemesis]

If Shinohara comes back to WSJ (which is something I think people are forgetting, even if a bunch of mangaka have new stuff in the works doesn't mean it'll be in the main magazine), I think it would be closer to Astra, not Sket Dance.

I would be happy with a new work either way. But him coming back with something similar to Sket Dance would make me even happier due to how I like it.

 

[Stivie]

Nah.
This new batch and WNL batch is very better.

much better where?
Because samurai 8 has disappointed many people, though that will not be canceled.
and the others have nothing really new and relevant.
The chainsaw man's lot was the best so far.

 

[Rain Spectre]

much better where?
Because samurai 8 has disappointed many people, though that will not be canceled.
and the others have nothing really new and relevant.
The chainsaw man's lot was the best so far.

Fujimaster, as I can tell from his twitter, is very old-fashioned as a person. Series which don't play to modern sensibilities like the most recent batch, which seem dull to the main audience, seem exciting and interesting to him.

 

[WyldViolet]

They're part of a group that tracks fans reception through things like TOC, sales, what people vote for and various other things. I think they're a relatively reliable source.

So... what we do here with the same exact information?

 

[Kaizoku_82]

Picture this: Shuuichi, Matsui, Shinohara and Tamura all coming back to Jump, i'd call it paradise.

Fujimaster, as I can tell from his twitter, is very old-fashioned as a person. Series which don't play to modern sensibilities like the most recent batch, which seem dull to the main audience, seem exciting and interesting to him.

"as I can tell from his Twitter"
You can read Portuguese?? Sh*#, we got another one...

 

[Halloween]

I believe in anonymity of sources. I've worked in journalism, don't cha ya know.

Is anonymity even necessary? Did these sources sign a nondisclosure agreement? Are they doing something illegal?

Because right now, you're asking us to believe you and trust that your sources are legitimate, without a shred of evidence. How do we know you're not just lying?

 

[4Eyes]

I mean, yeah, Shinohara did establish the premise of the series (three teens run an odd-jobs club at their school) in Chapter 1 along with the main cast, but there is a lot of other things like, as you said, the Student Council, that could only be included because the series was given the time and breathing room to establish it. In the modern environment, readers would've tuned out by that point.

So you were talking about the readers? Then I may agree with you. I was trying to show the magazine may have not changed that much.