Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2019] - Discussion and TOC Talk

[Stivie]

You realize that would require Samurai 8 to work right? And...it isn't really.

Also, I doubt Beast, Taisei and TSS are gonna survive. None of them seem to be on the level of standard quality.

I see a lot of people praising beast children, so it might be that he survives.

 

[Nakura]

TPN #14 is actually around 500 copies ahead of MHA #21, so in terms of volume sales rising, TPN is a bigger success than MHA.
I assume that the main difference between them (outside of MHA being a mega hit outside of Japan) is in the number of fans who don't read the manga/buy volumes, since MHA still has incredible TV ratings.

To be fair, the main reason for MHA's ratings is just the timeslot that it airs in.

 

[iceemperor]

We finally have some data on digital sales for Jump. According to current Jump+ editor Nakaji In Shonen Jump, there are 20 series that have digital sales of over 10 million yen each. There are 50 series that have digital sales over 1 millon yen. This includes series that have ended.

 

[Rain Spectre]

We finally have some data on digital sales for Jump. According to current Jump+ editor Nakaji In Shonen Jump, there are 20 series that have digital sales of over 10 million yen each. There are 50 series that have digital sales over 1 millon yen. This includes series that have ended.

Quick, break out your calculators and figure out how significant that is.

 

[Mammo]

Gunjou no Magmell anime ends next week
they adapted the first 5 chapters then went to episodic filler mode

from the preview it looks like studio clown will give it an original ending too

 

[Maxy Barnard]

We finally have some data on digital sales for Jump. According to current Jump+ editor Nakaji In Shonen Jump, there are 20 series that have digital sales of over 10 million yen each. There are 50 series that have digital sales over 1 millon yen. This includes series that have ended.

That’s... a surprisingly small slice, if we average most Shonen Jump comics at 450 yen each after tax. But digital isn’t really a format I’d associate with SJ’s core audience so maybe it’s to be expected. Hmm.

 

[Serinox]

Huh, per series even and not per volume... that's very little indeed, comparatively.

 

[TyVip]

That's 22222 copies sales per series (10 mil / 450 yen)
You sure it's also included WSJ or just Jump+?

 

[MangAniMY]

just for May to. be exact


nakaji occasionally give out these

last time was for January


in context should be obvious, while Jump digital format is by far not the preferred format, they still regularly top the yearly rankings in some digital stores

 

[savethecat]

TPN #14 is actually around 500 copies ahead of MHA #21, so in terms of volume sales rising, TPN is a bigger success than MHA.
I assume that the main difference between them (outside of MHA being a mega hit outside of Japan) is in the number of fans who don't read the manga/buy volumes, since MHA still has incredible TV ratings.

500 copies isn’t a big enough difference to say one is a bigger success than the other.
MHA and Neverland generally have the same level of success

 

[Rain Spectre]

just for May to. be exact


nakaji occasionally give out these

last time was for January


in context should be obvious, while Jump digital format is by far not the preferred format, they still regularly top the yearly rankings in some digital stores

So multiply the statistics by month? Um...that raises the margin a fair bit.

 

[MangAniMY]

series in a month with a new volume out will surely be much much higher than on a month without

since format doesn't change people buying habits... too much

 

[animeexpert]

Damn, there's genuinely some pretty promising talent there. Kinda hoping they join the main magazine.

--- Double Post Merged, Jun 26, 2019, Original Post Date: Jun 26, 2019 ---

You realize that would require Samurai 8 to work right? And...it isn't really.

Also, I doubt Beast, Taisei and TSS are gonna survive. None of them seem to be on the level of standard quality.

Out of the three TSS will diffently survive. Dont be too quick to judge

 

[Ctkk]

Why do people keep repeating this as it's the most true thing in the world. It's becoming a meme. Many times I have shown that during Toriko's highest popularity, other series were more promoted in Jump than it. I think Toriko max had 11/12 CPs in a year, while plenty series had up 10+ to 14CPs a year: Nisekoi, Haikyu, Medaka Box, AssClass, Nurarihyon, Reborn, Beelzebub, Bleach, Kochikame, Neverland, We Never Learn, Kimetsu, Shokugeki, Black Clover, Kuroko, MHA, Bakuman, Dr. Stone, etc, yet people keep repeating "toriko push" like it's miles ahead.

Seeing people again try to push it towards "samurai 8 is shit" topic, for the data lovers, if anyone has collected info on how many CPs a series had in a year, lets post it here and see which is actually the most pushed series in Jump. Like from 2010 to 2019 (issue 1-52 for 2010, 1-52 for 2011, etc). Otherwise, I may end up collecting the info, but I'm sure few people here like to keep lots of stats.

Also another type of statistics, lets see which series got most pushed in it's beginning. Like for it's first ~2 years (100 chapters), how many CPs & Covers it got?
Remember Bakuman had like 15, Toriko like 16-17, Kimetsu 19, BC ~26, MHA ~24. In which again, the most promoted Toriko will be loosing a lot

I'm pretty sure when people talk about the Toriko push they mean stuff like that crossover with Dragon Ball and One Piece, not Color Pages. If anything, covers would probably be a more accurate measure of promotion since they're harder to get.

Basically everything that shows some potential gets pushed, but not all pushes are equal. For example, there was a point where they were hyping Black Cover and MHA as the next Naruto and Bleach. That's quite the huge push. But with Toriko, they were putting it alongside OP and DB, literally the two most succesful manga of all time. That was the bar they set for it.

 

[Rain Spectre]

Out of the three TSS will diffently survive. Dont be too quick to judge

Really? I'll admit, I can't say anything for certain given that Vol 1 isn't finished yet, but the manga hasn't done anything really impressive, each chapter seems to draw less attention and there doesn't really seem to be that much interest at this point.

I'm pretty sure when people talk about the Toriko push they mean stuff like that crossover with Dragon Ball and One Piece, not Color Pages. If anything, covers would probably be a more accurate measure of promotion since they're harder to get.

Basically everything that shows some potential gets pushed, but not all pushes are equal. For example, there was a point where they were hyping Black Cover and MHA as the next Naruto and Bleach. That's quite the huge push. But with Toriko, they were putting it alongside OP and DB, literally the two most succesful manga of all time. That was the bar they set for it.

In fairness to MHA and BC, they came out in the period when Naruto was ending, and thus left quite a big hole in Jump. Those two were the new serializations which got a lot of attention, so it seemed only logical to push them. And it worked, MHA especially was able to become a new face to Jump while OP shifted into the Kochikame position of Jump's longest running ongoing series.

 

[Stivie]

Really? I'll admit, I can't say anything for certain given that Vol 1 isn't finished yet, but the manga hasn't done anything really impressive, each chapter seems to draw less attention and there doesn't really seem to be that much interest at this point.

Of the 4 I think is the best (even considering that only samurai 8 will survive).
Double taisei does not have the face that the author knows how to follow with the work.
and Beast children have a great way of playing sports manga from the 70's or 80's, does it appeal to a current audience?

 

[OtterBrigade]

Seems Viz is doing the Food Wars chapters (Tweet deleted which is why I had to screencap a Discord embed, the link just leads to Food Wars' series page)

 

[Rain Spectre]

Of the 4 I think is the best (even considering that only samurai 8 will survive).
Double taisei does not have the face that the author knows how to follow with the work.
and Beast children have a great way of playing sports manga from the 70's or 80's, does it appeal to a current audience?

I'm just waiting for Issue 33 so we can get the new batch >>

 

[MangAniMY]

not on m+ though

 

[Stivie]

I'm just waiting for Issue 33 so we can get the new batch >>

I think it's too early for a new lot, and the guys debuted 9 manga in such a short time, and canceled 2.