Chapter Tower of God Chapter 439 Spoilers & Discussion

[King Dryst]

Karaka is the new Jinsung Ha, from hated to a fan favorite. I can see Jinsung Ha dying during the rescue arc (Ace D Portgas style) Baam and Karaka both unleashing hell right after.

Only if SIU wants to blatantly rip off One Piece. Which would be hack writing as far as I'm concerned.

 

[O_n_Sly]

Only if SIU wants to blatantly rip off One Piece. Which would be hack writing as far as I'm concerned.

If Karaka teaches Baam the dragon/tiger flare wave, Jinsung is donezo

 

[etenboy]

from SIU blog: Khun's new ability is an amazing support ability. I know many of you want to see him in action right now, but I wanted to give him more abilities that fit his ranged support class. That's why he got Enna Core, the freezing ability. Khun's still a long ways away from fighting Ranker, you know hehe. I hope you look forward to more of Khun's growth

Before anyone starts complaining about AA lol

Now Khun has the same ability as Doom maybe he will be the new master of the cage. All the canine power came from Doom but now they dont need him because Khun produce the same effect

 

[Jack Van Burace]

Only if SIU wants to blatantly rip off One Piece. Which would be hack writing as far as I'm concerned.

That's actually Revenge of the Sith: Anakin rescues his mother only for her to die in his arms. And some westerns too. Actually, that's not such a rare plot device.

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War movies too: one rescues a prisoner only for that prisoner to be killed in the following crossfire.

 

[Orbs2op]

Now Khun has the same ability as Doom maybe he will be the new master of the cage. All the canine power came from Doom but now they dont need him because Khun produce the same effect

That not what happening he just gives a boost and heal.

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If Karaka teaches Baam the dragon/tiger flare wave, Jinsung is donezo

Nah jinsung likes bam a lot more than karaka from the moment he met him, it's not a given that karaka is even capable of using that skill or jinsung taught it to him, cause that skill had to do with the strength of jinsung blessing, he immediately thought of bam before using his transcendent skills aka passing on his complete legacy to him, that why he regretted not teaching him beforehand and karaka is just trying to play that role for bam, until they save jinsung nothing more.

 

[Brian Taboada]

Nah jinsung likes bam a lot more than karaka from the moment he met him, it's not a given that karaka is even capable of using that skill or jinsung taught it to him, cause that skill had to do with the strength of jinsung blessing, he immediately thought of bam before using his transcendent skills aka passing on his complete legacy to him, that why he regretted not teaching him beforehand and karaka is just trying to play that role for bam, until they save jinsung nothing more.

If I recall correctly, Jinsung only wished happiness for Baam. He really really liked him. I think he deep down even wanted Baam to NOT be a slayer as that was not the happy ending he was hoping for. Jinsung was willing to lay down his life for Baam. Karaka can never replace any of that. Seeing where everything is now in the world of TOG, I am sure Jinsung would provide Baam with all the tools he is capable of providing for Baam to ultimately win his freedom and happiness.

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

no, he cannot, he can only control those who took his power. Which yama and paul did not

I think you're right, but I was also wondering if there was more to Doom being the first/oldest. Maybe not, but it's curious the first of the 3 is the one with the power.

Probably waiting for Baam to come to them. As Mascheny said... Jinsung is just bait..... One of the masterminds has to be Replista Zahard.

Rep has helped Yuri (several times) and by extension helped her irregular that's involved in FUG. There's no chance she doesn't know Baam is in FUG. She's also capable of locating him. If she wanted to get to him or sell him out she could have over and over when he was weaker. (by this extension of logic Gustang is also helping not hindering Baam as he could have ended his climb at any time). Further, she has identified Ja Wangnan as the 'prince' of Zahard, and not in an effort to kill him. She is looking forward to his climb too. I don't think she's working against those that oppose Zahard.

Lastly, OT but I think she may be blind ironically enough.

since when jinsung lost to kallavan ? lol he lost because of Masherany who attacked him from behind, he was beating kallavan with the technique that pierce him...

He was all played out. He did his final attack, blew his load to no avail. He was winded and his arms were taken from him, EASILY I might add. He lost to Kallavan and Mas simply subdued him before Kallavan could have killed him.

If I recall correctly, Jinsung only wished happiness for Baam. He really really liked him. I think he deep down even wanted Baam to NOT be a slayer as that was not the happy ending he was hoping for. Jinsung was willing to lay down his life for Baam. Karaka can never replace any of that. Seeing where everything is now in the world of TOG, I am sure Jinsung would provide Baam with all the tools he is capable of providing for Baam to ultimately win his freedom and happiness.

I half agree. I think Jinsung, along with his master Luslec even as they seem to be in close contact and have the same goals for the most part, wants and is expecting Baam to reform FUG. He doesn't want the standard Slayer life, but a HIGHER standard and I think they're now looking for Baam to rally the troops if he's who they think he is.

 

[Wha]

Further, she has identified Ja Wangnan as the 'prince' of Zahard, and not in an effort to kill him. She is looking forward to his climb too. I don't think she's working against those that oppose Zahard.

Oh come on now.....she never identified Ja Wangnan as the "prince" of Zahard, or am i forgetting something? She did say that she was waiting for the prince of Zahard. Who that was is, at this point at least, speculation & interpretation. For you as well as for me.

He was all played out. He did his final attack, blew his load to no avail. He was winded and his arms were taken from him, EASILY I might add. He lost to Kallavan and Mas simply subdued him before Kallavan could have killed him.

After he got stabbed by Maschenny, he bound two top 100 high Rankers, even if it was only for a short time. That was his last bullet. So it's hard to say what he might have done if Maschenny hadn't interfered.

I half agree. I think Jinsung, along with his master Luslec even as they seem to be in close contact and have the same goals for the most part, wants and is expecting Baam to reform FUG. He doesn't want the standard Slayer life, but a HIGHER standard and I think they're now looking for Baam to rally the troops if he's who they think he is.

It's really hard to say. The "current" Jinsung seems to like Bam and all, but remember why he changed his mind about FUG being wrong in the matter with Bam. It was because he showed his "you hit me and i learn it" ability. Then he remembered promising his dying girlfriend to never forget. Then he told him that he would make him into a god.
So i think it's selfish BUT he also seemed to develop father/son feelings towards Bam (like the relationship between Karaka & Jinsung, at least for Karaka) during their time as master & student.

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I think the strength of Zahard Army comes from its commanders. The 4 commanders plus Adori and the RED commander have to be beasts. lets not forget the princesses... Just from the wikia we have a total of 24 so far. And the princesses introduced so far are some of the strongest characters even as regulars.

The strength also comes from toys. Like the "anti high ranker weapon" that Jinsung damaged. This weapons are handled by minions.
Or look at someone like Hwa Ryun. She is weak in terms of fighting power, she might not even be a regular right now (not sure though), but she is a huge asset to every force, because she has her own abilites. Like seeing the future & going wherever she wants.
Even regarding fighting power, you also need people that aren't as strong as you. Let's say you fight someone of your level. You are ranked 200, the other one is ranked 201. You have got no minions at all, he has got three. One is 400, the other one 500 and the last one 550. Who do you think has got (normally) the advantage?
If you had your own minions, you could prevent this kind of situation.

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

y u no agree all day? lol

Oh come on now.....she never identified Ja Wangnan as the "prince" of Zahard, or am i forgetting something? She did say that she was waiting for the prince of Zahard. Who that was is, at this point at least, speculation & interpretation. For you as well as for me.

See that thread I made on this specifically. Rep made it pretty clear that she was waiting on the prince OF ZAHARD (it even showed his 3-eyed seal). Not all these would-be prince exercises people have in their head-canon. Not 'prince of FUG' or 'prince of V' or any other 'prince' people want to pigeonhole Baam into. I'm OK with Baam being a prince 'of sorts' and even open to the dual meaning of 'prince' in the eponymous season title in question. But Rep was specifically alluding to Ja there, at that moment in time.

The question isn't whether Ja is a prince it's if Baam is the prince AS WELL. It's undeniable that Ja has Zahard blood and by the 'princess' standard is a prince of Zahard whether recognized 'officially' (by the corrupt, propangandized, statist Zahard empire) or not.

Also, SIU explicitly calls those with rings 'princes' in his blog, and that's linked in my thread. So Ja IS a prince. Of Zahard. Whether Baam also is or isn't is debatable.

Now, if Baam ends up being the son of Z not V that's a pretty heavy revision/retcon, and we should basically question everything about the story entirely as nothing is sacred.

After he got stabbed by Maschenny, he bound two top 100 high Rankers, even if it was only for a short time. That was his last bullet. So it's hard to say what he might have done if Maschenny hadn't interfered.

LOL, man, 'come on' as you say. He didn't 'bind' them.... he tried to slow Kallavan from missing his exit on the teleporter (effect was very temporary). That wasn't a 'move' than had any lasting or physical effects - hell, it wasn't an attack. It was a last-ditched, remarkable feat, but it's like the dying man taking one last swing at you - admirable yet useless (and as we saw it served no function). Jinsung had pointedly said he couldn't hold back against Kallavan after his lost his cig (you know that means business) and there's no reason to think he withheld a stronger attack. Kallavan was able to EASILY tank his big attack, catch Jinsung quicker than Jinsung could withdraw, AND breach his ancient, famously-strong Ha body with nothing more than grip strength. Jinsung couldn't withdraw, slip away, or overcome the crushing force from someone who seemed to only get stronger after having his guts blown out his back. And once his arms are sealed/lost, as evidenced by the contraption he's held in, he's effectively neutered in battle.

Jinsung had lost. He's one of my fav characters but there's no point pretending he was in a position to win against Kallavan alone. Mas simply KO'd him to use him later before Kallavan could have crushed in his skull. Kallavan continued with a much larger hole to go and fight the likes of Evankhell and have the gas to chase after Baam in the aftermath. Jinsung with a much smaller, off-center hole just collapsed completely.

It's really hard to say. The "current" Jinsung seems to like Bam and all, but remember why he changed his mind about FUG being wrong in the matter with Bam. It was because he showed his "you hit me and i learn it" ability. Then he remembered promising his dying girlfriend to never forget. Then he told him that he would make him into a god.
So i think it's selfish BUT he also seemed to develop father/son feelings towards Bam (like the relationship between Karaka & Jinsung, at least for Karaka) during their time as master & student.

Well, I'm obviously talking about 'current' Jinsung after Baam has already won him over, not when he first met him. Jinsung pretty much dances to Luslec's tune (and warns those that don't) with some degree of discretion, but it's pretty clear Jinsung is a yes-man when it comes to Luslec's wishes. And it has been specifically shown not even all of FUG really knows who Baam truly is. Jinsung himself didn't seem to fully comprehend it at first. But, he's come around and has informed Baam he must reform FUG. He didn't say leave FUG. Or do what you want (that was Urek). He still sees Baam as a means to an end, but he has warmed to him as an individual while doing so.

 

[TheMoa]

He was all played out. He did his final attack, blew his load to no avail. He was winded and his arms were taken from him, EASILY I might add. He lost to Kallavan and Mas simply subdued him before Kallavan could have killed him.

I think SIU let the end of that fight be a little ambiguous. I mean, Kallavan survived Jisung attack and took his arms... he did beat Jinsung.
But Jinsung wasn't completely beat until Maschenny intefered.. I don't know if he still had anything that could stop Kallavan, he was screamming that he would stop Kallavan (what could be his last struggle).
We also know that after being pierced by Maschenny he fast skiped both of them without his arms.

So would Jinsung be able to come up with something at that point that could stop Kallavan? I don't know... but given that Kallavan survived his chest hole, the ship explosion and still broke trough Karaka/Yuri/Evankhell to get Baam, my guess is that Jinsung wouldn't be able to do something strongh enough.... but it still a little ambiguous, IMO

 

[kkck]

There definitely is some nuance regarding the fight's outcome. I'd argue that in general kallavan was the stronger fighter. We saw the state jinsung was in before he used his ultimate technique. For jinsung the extreme floral butterfly was basically a last ditch hail mary which paid off... But that was the only thing he held over kallavan during the fight.

 

[darkraoul]

Karaka is the new Jinsung Ha, from hated to a fan favorite. I can see Jinsung Ha dying during the rescue arc (Ace D Portgas style) Baam and Karaka both unleashing hell right after.

umm in blog post siu said he still want to steal torn for himself so i doubt he will replace jinsung.

 

[Wha]

See that thread I made on this specifically. Rep made it pretty clear that she was waiting on the prince OF ZAHARD (it even showed his 3-eyed seal). Not all these would-be prince exercises people have in their head-canon. Not 'prince of FUG' or 'prince of V' or any other 'prince' people want to pigeonhole Baam into. I'm OK with Baam being a prince 'of sorts' and even open to the dual meaning of 'prince' in the eponymous season title in question. But Rep was specifically alluding to Ja there, at that moment in time.

You mean the same three eyed seal that's decorating one of Bam's cave walls, yes?
I know the thread, i know your opinion. I don't even argue if Wangnan is some sort of prince or not. I say that Repellista NEVER confirmed the identity of the prince she was waiting for. You are pretty sure that it is Wangnan and that's fine. I believe otherwise, that's fine as well. But it is not confirmed. That was my only issue.

LOL, man, 'come on' as you say. He didn't 'bind' them.... he tried to slow Kallavan from missing his exit on the teleporter (effect was very temporary). That wasn't a 'move' than had any lasting or physical effects - hell, it wasn't an attack. It was a last-ditched, remarkable feat, but it's like the dying man taking one last swing at you - admirable yet useless (and as we saw it served no function). Jinsung had pointedly said he couldn't hold back against Kallavan after his lost his cig (you know that means business) and there's no reason to think he withheld a stronger attack. Kallavan was able to EASILY tank his big attack, catch Jinsung quicker than Jinsung could withdraw, AND breach his ancient, famously-strong Ha body with nothing more than grip strength. Jinsung couldn't withdraw, slip away, or overcome the crushing force from someone who seemed to only get stronger after having his guts blown out his back. And once his arms are sealed/lost, as evidenced by the contraption he's held in, he's effectively neutered in battle.

Jinsung had lost. He's one of my fav characters but there's no point pretending he was in a position to win against Kallavan alone. Mas simply KO'd him to use him later before Kallavan could have crushed in his skull. Kallavan continued with a much larger hole to go and fight the likes of Evankhell and have the gas to chase after Baam in the aftermath. Jinsung with a much smaller, off-center hole just collapsed completely.

Ok, let's try it this way. Jinsung makes a hole in his stomach, Kallavan counters and cripples his arms. Then Jinsung yells at him and is about to go nuts - we don't see what might have happened. Why? Because Siu intended it to be that way. There was no need for Maschenny to interfere. He led her interfere because this way, it's not clear who is stronger or weaker. It was an intense fight and at the end, both had serious wounds. Jinsung stopping both of them AFTER the stab WITHOUThis arms is also a way of Siu showing us that he wasn't completely done.

It served a purpose. This way, only Kallavan was able to go to the train. If he hadn't done that, Kallavan would have come with the rest of his crew and probably Maschenny. That's game over for team Bam.

Well, I'm obviously talking about 'current' Jinsung after Baam has already won him over, not when he first met him. Jinsung pretty much dances to Luslec's tune (and warns those that don't) with some degree of discretion, but it's pretty clear Jinsung is a yes-man when it comes to Luslec's wishes. And it has been specifically shown not even all of FUG really knows who Baam truly is. Jinsung himself didn't seem to fully comprehend it at first. But, he's come around and has informed Baam he must reform FUG. He didn't say leave FUG. Or do what you want (that was Urek). He still sees Baam as a means to an end, but he has warmed to him as an individual while doing so.

I pretty much agree on this part.

 

[Madelin]

Firstly

Kallavan mentioned that he would be a goner if Jinsung would do a follow up following his ultimate

Meaning?

An ultimate followed by an attack is what it took for Jinsung to send Kallavan to an early grave, is that clear to everyone?

Secondly

A crippled and gravely wounded Jinsung abled to unremovable bound both top 100 HR, a bound that Kallavan unable to remove

What does it say?

Agreed with @Wha , Siu could make Jinsung relevant in terms of power later in the story by just making Jinsung goes havoc like how he did it the past

Or he could offed Jinsung, to provide an ultimatum for both Karaka and Baam

 

[kkck]

Firstly

Kallavan mentioned that he would be a goner if Jinsung would do a follow up following his ultimate

Meaning?

An ultimate followed by an attack is what it took for Jinsung to send Kallavan to an early grave, is that clear to everyone?

Secondly

A crippled and gravely wounded Jinsung abled to unremovable bound both top 100 HR, a bound that Kallavan unable to remove

What does it say?

Agreed with @Wha , Siu could make Jinsung relevant in terms of power later in the story by just making Jinsung goes havoc like how he did it the past

Or he could offed Jinsung, to provide an ultimatum for both Karaka and Baam

But.... jinsung didn't follow up... Either because he couldn't for whatever reason or because he didn't think it was necessary. Both are kinda in kallavan's favor in this case. And it doesn't change the fact that jinsung got ragdolled through the entirety of the fight up until his final hail mary which he fucked up with no help whatsoever. This would be like if I went up against an MMA fighter.... I get ragdolled for 80% of the fight.. Which amounts to like 4 seconds... And in the final second I pull out a knife, cause an injury but not one severe enough to win the fight. Does me having the knife and in some alternative universe not having fucked up mean I am the stronger fighter? Of course not. Kallavan is by all intents and purposes the stronger fighter. Jinsung just had one technique in his arsenal which could have won him the battle but ultimately screwed up.

Jinsung's power seems pretty relevant in general, I am not sure of why he'd need newfound relevance. He'd get wrecked by family heads of course and there are likely people in the rankings that could have a comfortable victory over him but he is still a major force in the tower.

 

[Orbs2op]

If I recall correctly, Jinsung only wished happiness for Baam. He really really liked him. I think he deep down even wanted Baam to NOT be a slayer as that was not the happy ending he was hoping for. Jinsung was willing to lay down his life for Baam. Karaka can never replace any of that. Seeing where everything is now in the world of TOG, I am sure Jinsung would provide Baam with all the tools he is capable of providing for Baam to ultimately win his freedom and happiness.

I'm not implying karaka can replace what jinsung means to bam, he just want to guide and protect him from time to time which won't be necessary soon, my original point that was jinsung wouldn't pass on his transcendent technique that easily that something personal, that why bam popped into his head before he used it and then karaka realized that bam is jinsung legacy bam, he dresses like jinsung,fights like him and is even going back to being viole for him, so karaka feels obligated to him even if he hates bam and bam hate him, jinsung would be proud tbh.

Jinsung wanted bam to be happy but he knew that was impossible, what he intended for bam imo, was train him seriously after he had reached ranker strength overall, and protect him otherwise, he essentially was babysitting him that why mascheny got him out of the way or he would take bam into hiding if he got past kallavan, who know how bam would appear?

 

[Jack Van Burace]

I can clearly see everyone teaming against Kallavan, holding him off but unable to injure him, until Full boost Bam deals him suficiente dmg.

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

Here is a fact that is undeniable:

Jinsung has a MUCH smaller-sized hole, equally pierced through (with a cleaner shot I might add), than Jinsung.

- Jinsung collapses due to smaller hole - seconds after being hit.
- Kallavan tanks the much larger damage and yet rages on and even goes toe-to-toe with Evankhell, rank 60, after wrecking Jinsung's biggest threats with a mere squeeze of his fists and a faster grasp.

REVERSE the roles: Kallavan has shown with a larger, messier hole that he's capable of tanking what Jinsung took from Maschenny (also, Maschenny's attack is logically less powerful than Jinsung's attack since she knew how hard it would be to pierce him) and not only surviving but continuing the fight. Even if his arms were crushed (as that is not a lethal attack in the slightest, moreover to someone that can withstand missing his entire GI-tract) prior.

That should tell you pretty much all you need to know. And what @kkck and I said earlier. Would have could have isn't an argument really.

Also, if Jinsung's flesh were harder than Kallavan's he could have withstood the pressure of the grip on his arms. Jinsung had to power up a high level (if not his highest; logic says it was his trump card) shinsoo attack to break through Kallavan. Kallavan only had to use his grip strength - arguably weaker than other attacks as your hands/forearms aren't exactly powerhouse muscle groups. Kallavan was the aggressor that was knocking Jinsung around forcing the later to use a trump card. It didn't work. If Jinsung withheld a followup blow then he is INCOMPETENT (and I don't think anyone thinks that's the case). More logical is he simply didn't have another round in him - look at how much effort was in the 'power up' to Jinsung's big attack so to speak. He more than likely couldn't spam a bunch of those attacks back-to-back - and that is what Kallavan states would have been required to end him.

Kallavan showed NO SIGNS of fatigue or stopping at any point. Considering the scale of the battle he went on to have if anyone was withholding it would have been Kallavan.

Oh, and Mas didn't arrive to induce doubt as to how the fight could have played out from a literary sense. She arrived to PRESERVE Jinsung. Left to the devices of Kallavan Jinsung would have continued ripping Jinsung apart (until he died or passed out, probably the first option in a direct confrontation with Baam on the line). We know that Mas had an incentive to preserve Jinsung's life (for bait) while Kallavan did not. Kallavan merely needed him out of commission dead or alive, and Mas arrived to conveniently produced the later effect. Notice Kallavan didn't go crush his skull, his goal is Baam. And Mas got her prey. Hell, Kallavan deferred to her wishes. It's like in the movies when some hero is getting their ass handed to them by bad-guy #1 when bad-guy #2 comes up behind and strikes the hero on the back of the head with the butt of a rifle or something equally blunt. It doesn't mean that the hero getting his ass kicked would have magically got a second or third wind and defeated the guy presently kicking his ass absent the surprise KO blow.

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I think SIU let the end of that fight be a little ambiguous. I mean, Kallavan survived Jisung attack and took his arms... he did beat Jinsung.
But Jinsung wasn't completely beat until Maschenny intefered.. I don't know if he still had anything that could stop Kallavan, he was screamming that he would stop Kallavan (what could be his last struggle).
We also know that after being pierced by Maschenny he fast skiped both of them without his arms.

So would Jinsung be able to come up with something at that point that could stop Kallavan? I don't know... but given that Kallavan survived his chest hole, the ship explosion and still broke trough Karaka/Yuri/Evankhell to get Baam, my guess is that Jinsung wouldn't be able to do something strongh enough.... but it still a little ambiguous, IMO

So Jinsung withheld and thought screaming after not avoiding a blow that's fatal to his attacks was the best counter-measure when the guy that crushed his famously-strong flesh, again with mere grip strength alone, continued a death-hold on him?

You mean the same three eyed seal that's decorating one of Bam's cave walls, yes?
I know the thread, i know your opinion. I don't even argue if Wangnan is some sort of prince or not. I say that Repellista NEVER confirmed the identity of the prince she was waiting for. You are pretty sure that it is Wangnan and that's fine. I believe otherwise, that's fine as well. But it is not confirmed. That was my only issue.

Ah, so you know the thread... that makes it easier. Then you know the blog I quoted where SIU refers to WANGNAN as a prince in the PROLOGUE. The prologue is called 'the episode of the prince of Zahard'.

So, SIU confirms that the prince in the prologue is Wangnan, and that in that very prologue he's described as Z's prince.

That is the same prologue that gave us the title to S2... 'return of the prince'.

Put that all together: SIU confirms Ja is the prince in the prologue, the prologue confirms the prince is both a) returning and b) a prince of Zahard, and meanwhile Rep is getting excited about the same return of the prince of Zahard.

But it's somehow Baam? That's a very big leap considering allll the evidence.

No, Rep doesn't CONFIRM who it is - the story and SIU's blog together do that.

Not to mention 'Rep' is already familiar with 'the irregular' that Yuri is looking for. She KNOWS he's already entered the tower. There is no longer a 'return' either figurative or literal, for Baam once one is familiar with him entering the tower. Whether she's feigning the thought that she thinks he's dead or not to Yuri doesn't matter:

a) Rep thinks Baam is truly dead - then she can't be excited about the knowledge of a prince of Zahard returning if she thinks said prince is truly dead.

OR

b) Rep knows Baam is alive after all - then he DOESN'T RETURN by her perspective - he's already been active and if she knew he was alive she'd know that too.



EITHER WAY from her perspective Baam isn't 'returning' - and there's zero reason to think he's Zahard's prince while there's mountains of evidence that Ja IS Zahard's prince.

 

[Wha]

Oh, and Mas didn't arrive to induce doubt as to how the fight could have played out from a literary sense. She arrived to PRESERVE Jinsung. Left to the devices of Kallavan Jinsung would have continued ripping Jinsung apart (until he died or passed out, probably the first option in a direct confrontation with Baam on the line). We know that Mas had an incentive to preserve Jinsung's life (for bait) while Kallavan did not. Kallavan merely needed him out of commission dead or alive, and Mas arrived to conveniently produced the later effect. Notice Kallavan didn't go crush his skull, his goal is Baam. And Mas got her prey. Hell, Kallavan deferred to her wishes. It's like in the movies when some hero is getting their ass handed to them by bad-guy #1 when bad-guy #2 comes up behind and strikes the hero on the back of the head with the butt of a rifle or something equally blunt. It doesn't mean that the hero getting his ass kicked would have magically got a second or third wind and defeated the guy presently kicking his ass absent the surprise KO blow.

That's an interesting interpretation. So what hindered Siu to make it clear? Kallavan defeats Jinsung, Jinsung loses conciousness, kallavan wants to deliver the final blow and Maschenny steps in to save him. They could also have a talk that makes it clear that Maschenny "betrayed" Jinsung. But that is not what has happened. Jinsung looked like a wounded beast that you pushed into a corner - that's a very dangerous kind of situation.
And taking his arms is serious,yes. But imagine taking Yuri's arms. She still could use something like the rose shower. That Jinsung could still play tricks was shown as well (reverse flow control).
You don't believe Jinsung to be able to follow up, Jinsung didn't believe that kallavan could do that after his transcendent skill. He was wrong. Maybe you are as well, maybe i am. We don't know, because the situation is not clear, because that's what Siu wanted.


i have moved the other reply to your thread, let's continue there.

 

[VON]

ya’ll realized that SIU mentioned in his blog if Maschenny didn’t appear, the fight between Kallavan and Jinsung could have gone either way, right?

plus with SIu mentioning how Kallavan was younger (add in the fact that we know Jinsung said he grows stronger with age, not weaker) SIU could maybe been leaning towards Jinsung.

also another plus, Jinsung was able to freeze Kallavan and Maschenny at the same time, he has it in him to deal another fatal attack to Kallavan.

in straight up physical stats, Kallavan is undoubtably stronger than Jinsung but Jinsung’s techniques more than bridges that difference. You can say Kallavan was beating the life out of Jinsung in the first half, but the fight could also gone differently if Jinsung freeze Kallavan first instead of fighting him physically where he obviously isn’t Kallavan’s match in that field while he could also mercilessly throw attacks at him one after another once he froze him. In this fight specifically, Jinsung kinda looked down upon the younger Kallavan and paid for it. In a rematch, Jinsung is obviously not going to take his attacks head on so easily.

also, to ya saying how Kallavan could kept going after a supposed fatal attack, it his attribute. The dude is a literal crystal so fatal dmg to a normal being with fresh and blood wouldn’t apply to him.

--- Double Post Merged, Jul 18, 2019, Original Post Date: Jul 18, 2019 ---

"Hohoho Santa's in the huzzhouse!" | Teacher?

A bit early, but ^^; Today happens to be Christmas Eve, so here's a Christmas themed art for the afterwords. ---

Rather then telling you guys anything, it's been moreso a series of fight scenes and fight scenes haha.

I described how Kallavan was able to cross over, but since I mixed the words "teleport" and "warp", which made them ambiguous among each other. So long-distance movement will be Warp, and short distance movement will be Teleport from now on. Or so I promise myself. ;;;

The point is that unless you're a High Ranker with an insanely high durability like Kallavan, you cannot jump into a collapsing warp device to warp (...)

Although the fight between Ha Jinsung and Kallavan is almost over, but purely as a martial artist, Ha Jinsung is above Kallavan. But since Kallavan is just so durable.. and the heavens are shining upon him with Maschenny showing up, it's difficult to predict what would have happened if they continued to the end. Well, Kallavan's much younger than Ha Jinsung, so hehe.

What's happening between Jallavan and Baam is more so punching a wall than a proper fight -_-.;;

if there was a word to describe Kallavan, it would be "Hard". Baam ends up pulling out the second thorn, but it's hard to say if he even mastered the first one haha. But this is probably the first time he's seriously trying to kill someone for Baam.

This arc's battle is quite large, but this will not be a normal battle with a winner and a loser. That's because this battle may become a catalyst for a bigger war afterwards. Who knows?

It's been a long story, but please do follow along and enjoy, I would much appreciate it ^^

Christmas has finally returned.

Tower of God, I always think, holds Christmas in a meaningful regard. I mean, it's the 25th Baam after all hehe. "Although it's hard often times, but I hope by imbueing it with meaning like so, my work would shine brightly today." That's a nice thought to have.

I wish a merry Christmas to my work, to you guys, and to myself. ---

Well then, regardless whether you're single, in a relationship, or married, have a happy and joyful week.*T/N: In SKorea, Christmas is less of a family holiday but more so a romantic holiday. "Spend time with your loved ones" is taken more literally in Korea, hehe* I will draw hard so I can see you guys next week ^^ Thank

from SIU’s blog post.