Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2019] - Discussion and TOC Talk

[Rain Spectre]

"Gag manga fail" lol Again, only 2 failures since Saiki and Gintama ended, why you keep with this narrative that readers don't want or are not invested in the genre? you have zero proof of that, the only thing is happening is that Jump don't have a new one yet when AGAIN, literally every magazine in Japan have gag/comedy mangas being published! You keep talking as if you're speaking for Japan.

Again, Youtube has nothing to do with Jump not having a popular gag manga in the moment when you have plenty of gag/comedy mangas out there being popular, you also don't have any proof of the connection between YT and not having a gag manga being popular.

Japan and David didn't make success simply because it didn't connected with the readers, simply as that, like any other manga, it doesn't matter if SJ doesn't have a gag manga at the moment, things are not going to be a success just because you have the space for it.

Your entire comment is just you projecting your own narrative as a fact without any actual proof, in the same way you did with the "Samurai 8 is a failure" or saying stuff like To Love-ru was popular because it was the "beginning of the internet in Japan". Stating that "i talked to people, even japanese ones" "i made my observations based in blah blah blah", what is this supposed to prove? that you know what Japan wants because you talked with 2 or 3 people or made your own observations and conclusions about it?

Please, the difference between your argumment and my is that you make pretensious claims about the industry and japanese readers as if you're a expert while i just know that it's a matter of time until the next popular gag manga appears because i've been following this magazine and the industry for 9 years, enough time to understand that everything is a matter of time and the next one will always appear sooner or later.

I want to ask you, how many of those "other magazines" have gag manga in them which actually sell? And how many of those are just around because the magazine has nothing better to run?

Tell me. Tell me what those successful gag manga are. Not comedy manga (Golden Kamuy, Grand Blue), 4-Koma (Pop Team Epic) or some odd internet curiosity (Gokushufudo ). Name me a purely gag driven manga which is selling.

Again, if the readership really hungered for more gag manga, David would've done better than fishsticks. It's simply business logic.

Your entire arguments against me are built out of blind faith over a lack of analysis, combined with a hatred towards me which at this point comes off as irrational. Honestly, if you have such a problem with my character, fight me in the PM's, I don't really wanna spoil the thread by turning it into more bickering surrounding me.

 

[OtterBrigade]

However, at the same time, it should also be considered that a lot of us barely pay attention to other magazines outside of Jump.

For all I know there could be some huge gag series in other magazines, and it may just be Jump that’s struggling to find a hit

Pop Team Epic is probably the biggest which is published on Takeshobo's Manga Time Win. K-On! (despite how it was adapted the manga is very much a traditional gag series) started a spin-off last year and it's magazine (Manga Time Kirara) has a number of other gag series (Blend-S, Slow Start, Yuyushiki) that were at least popular enough to get anime adaptations. Hinamatsuri is also one I can think of to get an anime series.

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Tell me. Tell me what those successful gag manga are. Not comedy manga (Golden Kamuy, Grand Blue), 4-Koma (Pop Team Epic) or some odd internet curiosity (Gokushufudo ). Name me a purely gag driven manga which is selling.

That's not really a fair argument. I could say tell me a successful action manga. Not battle shonen, military/political, or series with action that isn't 100% fights and you would have trouble naming any.

 

[Shinuki no Reborn]

I want to ask you, how many of those "other magazines" have gag manga in them which actually sell? And how many of those are just around because the magazine has nothing better to run?

Tell me. Tell me what those successful gag manga are. Not comedy manga (Golden Kamuy, Grand Blue), 4-Koma (Pop Team Epic) or some odd internet curiosity (Gokushufudo ). Name me a purely gag driven manga which is selling.

Again, if the readership really hungered for more gag manga, David would've done better than fishsticks. It's simply business logic.

Your entire arguments against me are built out of blind faith over a lack of analysis, combined with a hatred towards me which at this point comes off as irrational. Honestly, if you have such a problem with my character, fight me in the PM's, I don't really wanna spoil the thread by turning it into more bickering surrounding me.

Jesus, seriously that you just turned this into "you have something against me, your argument is all build towards hating me and blah blah blah?" when i didn't make a single personal attack or offense?

You do what you do my friend and everybody here knows, you just make claims based in your personal views and conclusions and state as facts without actually having proof about, you just do this, isn't a personal attack, like i said, i've been following this more than enough time to know how it works, sooner or later the next popular gag/comedy manga will appear on Shonen Jump like it always happened during this 50 years of the magazine, and i don't think i need to spoon feed you about popular comedy/gag mangas, just open other magazine besides Shonen Jump and you will find, start with the closest neighbor, Shonen Magazine, where they alone have 4/5 popular comedy/gag mangas.

 

[Rain Spectre]

Pop Team Epic is probably the biggest which is published on Takeshobo's Manga Time Win. K-On! (despite how it was adapted the manga is very much a traditional gag series) started a spin-off last year and it's magazine (Manga Time Kirara) has a number of other gag series (Blend-S, Slow Start, Yuyushiki) that were at least popular enough to get anime adaptations. Hinamatsuri is also one I can think of to get an anime series.

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That's not really a fair argument. I could say tell me a successful action manga. Not battle shonen, military/political, or series with action that isn't 100% fights and you would have trouble naming any.

Hinamatsuri isn't a gag manga.

It is relevant in this case because gag manga is a specific market we're talking about. If it were just "I want a new comedy to succeed Gintama", we wouldn't be having this discussion.

 

[OtterBrigade]

Hinamatsuri isn't a gag manga.

It is relevant in this case because gag manga is a specific market we're talking about. If it were just "I want a new comedy to succeed Gintama", we wouldn't be having this discussion.

but why do 4Koma not count? They literally are gags told within 4 panels.

 

[Aiwass_97]

Name me a purely gag driven manga which is selling.

Seitokai Yakuindomo

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4-Koma

seriously?

 

[Rain Spectre]

4-koma are, from what I've observed at least, purely directed towards Otaku. I can't really think of a successful one which was for a more mainstream audience.

 

[IzayaDLL]

4-koma are, from what I've observed at least, purely directed towards Otaku. I can't really think of a successful one which was for a more mainstream audience.

what are you trying to say? do you even know what otaku means?

 

[OtterBrigade]

4-koma are, from what I've observed at least, purely directed towards Otaku. I can't really think of a successful one which was for a more mainstream audience.

K-On.

 

[Heiji]

My Hero Academia Serie (novel, spin-off) : 23 000 000

 

[Rain Spectre]

K-On.

K-On's anime was successful among the mainstream...and it's so massively expanded from the manga that it may as well be an original product.

 

[IzayaDLL]

K-On's anime was successful among the mainstream...and it's so massively expanded from the manga that it may as well be an original product.

So that is your excuse to not count it on as a gag manga?

 

[Nemesis]

4-koma are, from what I've observed at least, purely directed towards Otaku. I can't really think of a successful one which was for a more mainstream audience.

You know that a large part that buys manga are manga otaku, right?

 

[Tamil]

Watch as that gag manga yet again fails because of the market changing.

You're going to make a meme of yourself. With this modern market & market change talk.

 

[OtterBrigade]

I miss Black Clover selling 2 million per volume digitally

 

[Scruffy8642]

4-koma are, from what I've observed at least, purely directed towards Otaku. I can't really think of a successful one which was for a more mainstream audience.

You have obviously observed wrong.

 

[Halloween]

Moderator Notice:
Guys, we're not going to turn the thread into one long argument against a single user. Disagree and move along.~ Buranchi

 

[TxxT]

Spoiler: WSJ Issue 36-37 TOC

Shonen Jump Issue #36-37

One Piece(LCP)
Kimetsu no Yaiba
The Promised Neverland
Dr. STONE
Black Clover
F Ken(One-Shot, CP)
Haikyu!!
Jujutsu Kaisen(CP)
We Never Learn
My Hero Academia
Chainsaw Man(CP)
ACT-AGE
Yuuna and the Haunted Hot Springs
The Last Saiyuki
Samurai 8
Yui Kamio Lets Loose
Tokyo Shinobi Squad
Double Taisei
Beast Children

Shonen Jump Issue #38:
Cover and LCP: The Promised Neverland
CP: Haikyu!!, We Never Learn, Ultramarine Battle(One-Shot by Furutu Seiran)

 

[Chuck_Atlas]

Well, guess this seals the deal for Beast Children, Taisei and TSS, surprised to see Saiyuki managing to be so high, to bad it seems to be late for it

 

[Rain Spectre]

Ouch to that Samurai 8 placement.

Also, damnit, no new series. It's taking its time getting to a new batch.