Games Mafia Game 73 - The Black Card Initiative - Postgame - Missing Night Actions

[James Rye]

So are we all bombs and diffusers? Then mafia has advantage.

Not if we were all insane dets last nights and now the Mafia tries to hide each other with guilty verdicts because they did not get guilty/not guilty results but something else, like our role. Which given we got so far only time bomb and bomb defuser claims is not much.

Currently at work (short break ), quickly scanned over the thread. Will be here properly in a few hours.

I targeted Zasz last night and got guilty.

Now THIS has to be a lie!

I targeted Zasz last night and got told he is INNOCENT!!!

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So far we only got two innocent verdicts on Demon and Zasz and one guilty on verdict from Marmalade for Zasz which I don't think can be true else I would have gotten that as well.

 

[digitaldude]

keel zasz

 

[James Rye]

Eiter Zasz or Demon so that we can see if results were random or we really were insane. Do we got two or more guilty verdicts or innocent verdictson the same person by two people?

 

[Farfalla]

We got 2 innocent results on Demon? Erin and who else? I thought only Asako got investigated twice before Zasz (by DD and Bia).

Well lynching Demon could bring info about the possibility of non town time bombs, he did share his condition last. But lynching Zasz is always great at any point of the game as well lol.

--- Double Post Merged, Aug 2, 2019, Original Post Date: Aug 2, 2019 ---

Won't vote now tho. There are so many people to talk yet... We don't know what those results mean to be able to say Marmy lied.

 

[digitaldude]

Digitaldude investigated Asako got guilty.
Hakuteiken investigated Gry got guilty.
Erinyes investigated Demonspeed got innocent.
Demonspeed investigated Seraph got guilty.
Asako investigated Crescent got guilty.
Gnut investigated Hardy got guilty.
Grysun investigated Vandred got guilty.
Hardy investigated Lambu got guilty.
Marmalade investigated Zasz got innocent.

 

[Hakuteiken]

As far as I know, no, we only got one innocent on Demon. No other result that I can find.

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James getting innocent on Zasz is missing from DD's list.

 

[James Rye]

Digitaldude investigated Asako got guilty.
Hakuteiken investigated Gry got guilty.
Erinyes investigated Demonspeed got innocent.
Demonspeed investigated Seraph got guilty.
Asako investigated Crescent got guilty.
Gnut investigated Hardy got guilty.
Grysun investigated Vandred got guilty.
Hardy investigated Lambu got guilty.
Marmalade investigated Zasz got innocent.

No!
Marmalade invested Zasz and got guilty. I investigated Zasz and got innocent. So Zasz is the only one who was two people's target or at least it seems so if Marmalade is not lying to cover Zasz with the many guilty verdicts.

 

[Lawl Po Bia]

Sub

 

[GrySun]

Feels like it‘s Marm and Zasz mafia then? But this seems too easy.

 

[Demonspeed]

@Demonspeed @Lady pompom @Hardy
When do each of you explode

N5 for me.

 

[Hakuteiken]

No!
Marmalade invested Zasz and got guilty. I investigated Zasz and got innocent. So Zasz is the only one who was two people's target or at least it seems so if Marmalade is not lying to cover Zasz with the many guilty verdicts.

True.
Though the cover is almost non-existent, anyways, considering getting found guilty does not necessarily guarantee you being a Townie.

 

[James Rye]

Won't vote now tho. There are so many people to talk yet... We don't know what those results mean to be able to say Marmy lied.

It means that our hosts decided to go with a mix of insane and sane dets which seems to much of a hassle. I think everyone was insane in night 0 expect the mafias so Marmy should have gotten a innocent verdict like I did. But I think Marmy saw a chance to hide Zasz away in the mass of guilty verdicts after Demon already stood out as the sole innocent verdict and did not expect somebody else to actually have investigated Zasz in night 0 which ofc contradicted his guilty claim on Zasz,

Think of this: What is more devastating right now? Getting a guilty on you or an innocent? And would a mafia rather use a guilty lie to hide a mafia bro among townies or would a mafia risk death by using a innocent lie on a townie and be the most suspsect one if said target turns out townie after other innocent ones turned out to be mafia? Which one feels more realistic to you?

 

[GrySun]

True.
Though the cover is almost non-existent, anyways, considering getting found guilty does not necessarily guarantee you being a Townie.

Maybe she expected Demon would be lynched? So changed her target‘s sanity, since at N0 she didn‘t know her teammates, went Zasz and then saw he is innocent while being mafia friend. Then saw all the guilty results and changed it accordingly.

 

[Demonspeed]

We got 2 innocent results on Demon? Erin and who else? I thought only Asako got investigated twice before Zasz (by DD and Bia).

Well lynching Demon could bring info about the possibility of non town time bombs, he did share his condition last. But lynching Zasz is always great at any point of the game as well lol.

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Won't vote now tho. There are so many people to talk yet... We don't know what those results mean to be able to say Marmy lied.

I haven't reread all the last posts but I only revealed my full potential condition last. I was the first one to reveal that I am TB.

 

[James Rye]

True.
Though the cover is almost non-existent, anyways, considering getting found guilty does not necessarily guarantee you being a Townie.

True. BUT it does mean you are one of many guilties so it is much harder to pick you outta there than if you were found innocent in night 0. Like most people would have throw an eye on Demon if he really was the sole innocent one after night 0 phase for sure. Meaning there are plenty of people who probably got targeted a couple times or several people who were not targeted at all. Thus Marmy might have thought it is a nice idea to give Zasz some argument why he can't be mafia if demon turns out mafia despite the innocent verdict on him which ofc is to say "but Marmy got guilty on me, so I can't be Mafia". It makes sense especially if Marmy knows Demon is a scumbag mafia so Marmy knows what innocent and guilty means whereas we townies don't know that yet and can only guess.

 

[Demonspeed]

How many people targeted Gry? There is no way he hasn't been targeted more than once. He is always popular during NPs .

 

[James Rye]

How many people targeted Gry? There is no way he hasn't been targeted more than once. He is always popular during NPs .

True, I wanted to either target Gry or Zasz but thought that it's time to leave Gry alone for one night and give Zasz some loving. And thank god I did else Marmy's guilty claim on Zasz would most likely has gone unchallenged for.^^

 

[Hakuteiken]

True. BUT it does mean you are one of many guilties so it is much harder to pick you outta there than if you were found innocent in night 0. Like most people would have throw an eye on Demon if he really was the sole innocent one after night 0 phase for sure. Meaning there are plenty of people who probably got targeted a couple times or several people who were not targeted at all. Thus Marmy might have thought it is a nice idea to give Zasz some argument why he can't be mafia if demon turns out mafia despite the innocent verdict on him which ofc is to say "but Marmy got guilty on me, so I can't be Mafia". It makes sense especially if Marmy knows Demon is a scumbag mafia so Marmy knows what innocent and guilty means whereas we townies don't know that yet and can only guess.

Eh, but this does bank on the fact that nobody else targeted Zasz and got an innocent result. There are quite a few people who haven't revealed their targets yet, so seems like a massive out of blue risk to me. Now, the trio of Demon, Zasz and Marmalade are all under heavy pressure with the logic we are following, just because you happened to target Zasz. This would turn out to be one of the worst moves ever if it's a Mafia one.

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How many people targeted Gry? There is no way he hasn't been targeted more than once. He is always popular during NPs .

Currently none, since my target was randomized on him. So, nobody targeted him deliberately, as far as we know.

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True. BUT it does mean you are one of many guilties so it is much harder to pick you outta there than if you were found innocent in night 0. Like most people would have throw an eye on Demon if he really was the sole innocent one after night 0 phase for sure. Meaning there are plenty of people who probably got targeted a couple times or several people who were not targeted at all. Thus Marmy might have thought it is a nice idea to give Zasz some argument why he can't be mafia if demon turns out mafia despite the innocent verdict on him which ofc is to say "but Marmy got guilty on me, so I can't be Mafia". It makes sense especially if Marmy knows Demon is a scumbag mafia so Marmy knows what innocent and guilty means whereas we townies don't know that yet and can only guess.

That's not really an argument when we know nothing about Marmalade in the first place.
I'm also incredibly cautious against calling "guilty = not mafia" at this stage. I'm totally expecting a twist, rather than relying so heavily on Night 0 results we got.

 

[GrySun]

We got 3 perfectly fine targets to lynch for today, we can all think on it while waiting for the rest of the crew to show up.

And btw @Hakuteiken so far you‘re the only one who randomized, hopefully not made up after wasting your action on a mafia friend?

 

[Lady pompom]

@Demonspeed @Lady pompom @Hardy
When do each of you explode

I told it before, I explode on Night 5

We got 2 innocent results on Demon? Erin and who else? I thought only Asako got investigated twice before Zasz (by DD and Bia).

Well lynching Demon could bring info about the possibility of non town time bombs, he did share his condition last. But lynching Zasz is always great at any point of the game as well lol.

--- Double Post Merged, Aug 2, 2019, Original Post Date: Aug 2, 2019 ---

Won't vote now tho. There are so many people to talk yet... We don't know what those results mean to be able to say Marmy lied.

yes, I targeted Asako and got Guilty result.