Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2019] - Discussion and TOC Talk

[TheEroSennin]

Here's this new round for M+. For anyone interested, quick TL;DR: Everything survives until Issue 45 and expect a My Hero Academia break soon (Issue 43, 44 or 45).

Regarding OP, it will be 1003793-1003796, and for Yozakura and Mitama, it will be 4 chapters for each one in that 1003871-1003878 batch.

Spoiler: Updated Version (99% sure)

Is there anyway to know when a specific manga which is in hiatus come back ? You know we struggling out there

 

[OniluapL]

Btw in beast children, superpowers are happening?, "snow dancer". Or just for visual shonen dramatic look?

It's just a visual metaphor like Eyeshield, I would guess. Which, by the way, this chapter seemed to pick up a lot of its style (which i'm extremely fine with!)

 

[RafGL]

Is there anyway to know when a specific manga which is in hiatus come back ? You know we struggling out there

Heh, I wish I could. I honestly think there would be a huge announcement about it even before having the website updated for those chapters, so nothing I can say about it for now

 

[Shinuki no Reborn]

Didn't actually read the mangas yet just a quick look but i have to say, this last Taisei chapter is making me really want the manga to survive, what a crazy chapter and in a very good way lol

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Let's go over these points, shall we?

1. Yes, Shiibashi has a history of supernatural battle manga, but what says he couldn't change genres? Plenty of mangaka have changed subject matter completely between manga.
2. The first page doesn't end in some ominous turn, however, it ends in a joke about Yui biting the monk sealing her. From the presentation, it looks like a romcom with a token supernatural twist, an idea in play since Kimagure in the 80s.
3. Yui beating up delinquents is heavily comedic in nature, she even has a gag where she humiliates one before throwing him away.
4. No, there are no battles and supernatural elements, not serious ones, anyway. It's purely gag and romcom hijinks until the sudden turn with the Student Council.

Overall, I think your memory with Yui has become quite selective. You seem to have created a fantasy version of the first dozen chapters in your head that comes off as more cohesive than it actually is, and I'm puzzled as to why you're arguing it's "so obvious", when the way you're talking about it shows you don't even remember what happened in it too well.

Ehh none of your points makes any sense, is just "look this ended up as a "comedy" moment, so obviously doesn't have any meaning behind", like, seriously? it doesn't matter if she bites the hand of the monk, the point is to state in the first page that there are supernatural powers in the story and of course supernatural creatures. It doesn't matter if she beats the delinquents in a sadistic and funny way, it's mean to state that this series have battles and dangerous people trying to find her, which means that there's a story behind dark Yui, you're so obsessed with the fact that the manga had a number of chapters with a main focus in romcom despite having supernatural and action moments happening behind in a minor way and also the "sudden" way the shift happened that you just refuse to acknowledge anything else.

I don't really know why you're acting like if something is made in a comedy way it simply has no value or meaning in the story, it's like you never read or watched Gintama, Reborn, Sket Dance, Beelzebub and many other comedy series that constantly shift from comedy to serious moments using comedy to introduce or develop characters and key story points.

 

[Rain Spectre]

Ehh none of your points makes any sense, is just "look this ended up as a "comedy" moment, so obviously doesn't have any meaning behind", like, seriously? it doesn't matter if she bites the hand of the monk, the point is to state in the first page that there are supernatural powers in the story and of course supernatural creatures. It doesn't matter if she beats the delinquents in a sadistic and funny way, it's mean to state that this series have battles and dangerous people trying to find her, which means that there's a story behind dark Yui, you're so obsessed with the fact that the manga had a number of chapters with a main focus in romcom despite having supernatural and action moments happening behind in a minor way, that you just refuse to acknowledge anything else.

I don't really know why you're acting like if something is made in a comedy way it simply has no value or meaning in the story, it's like you never read or watched Gintama, Reborn, Sket Dance, Beelzebub and many other comedy series that constantly shift from comedy to serious moments using comedy to introduce or develop characters and key story points.

"it doesn't matter if she bites the hand of the monk, the point is to state in the first page that there are supernatural powers in the story and of course supernatural creatures"

No it doesn't? It just establishes the premise. There is no mention of supernatural "creatures" or powers in the story pre-shift, indeed, the detail of the chain is handwaved away early on in a Journey to the West reference.

"It doesn't matter if she beats the delinquents in a sadistic and funny way, it's mean to state that this series have battles and dangerous people trying to find her, which means that there's a story behind dark Yui"

This is completely untrue because the delinquents aren't shown to be threats to her in the slightest. The story is that she was a violent and notorious delinquent which means gangs want at her for reputation and revenge for beating them up. This is all explained in the first two chapters. There is no "story" implied.

"you're so obsessed with the fact that the manga had a number of chapters with a main focus in romcom despite having supernatural and action moments happening behind in a minor way, that you just refuse to acknowledge anything else."

There was literally nothing but romcom and gag chapters from the start of the manga, nor is there any action scenes or supernatural elements until Chapter 13 (discounting not!Usain Bolt). Again, unless you have proof that says otherwise, I'm convinced you're going off vague memories, since nothing of what you say matches up.

"I don't really know why you're acting like if something is made in a comedy way it simply has no value or meaning in the story, it's like you never read or watched Gintama, Reborn, Sket Dance, Beelzebub and many other comedy series that constantly shift from comedy to serious moments using comedy to introduce or develop characters and key story points."

I have read them, and you know I have. Either way, the thing is is that none of what Yui does in its early chapters is tied to the genre shift, the characters who are introduced after Chapter 1 aren't even utilized after their debuts.

 

[Shinuki no Reborn]

-"There's no mention of supernatural creatures or powers"

A monk seals a "person" with a bunch of chains tied in the hair and the girl needs to have the hair tied all the time because if not, the other "version" of her will come to life...Yep, no supernatural powers at all, that happens all the time, also, when you have a series by Hiroshi Shiibashi using supernatural powers related to old myths and religion you know that it will have youkais or overall supernatural creatures, you know, it's like 1 + 1 = 2


-"The delinquents aren't shown to be threats..."

It's like you're just ignoring such basic ways of storytelling, of course the first delinquents didn't represent any danger to her, they were used just to make you understand that there are dangerous people trying to find her -_-


-"There was literally nothing but romcom and gag chapters from the start of the manga, nor is there any action scenes or supernatural elements until Chapter 13"

The person literally ignores everything related to action and supernatural that it's in the face of everybody since page 1 of chapter 1, and you actually tried to make fun of Leoat saying that there wasn't a genre shift lol


-"the thing is is that none of what Yui does in its early chapters is tied to the genre shift,"

Again, page 1 of chapter 1 and the violent nature of the action scenes, a girl is sealed by a bunch of monks with supernatural powers, these supernatural elements related to japanese religion and myths which is a obvious "trope" in almost all Shiibashi series, which means that sooner or later he would introduce characters with supernatural powers or related to myths/religion, and of course this brings the dark and violent action that it was already seen on first chapter with dark Yui behavior and also something expected from Shiibashi


Really, is like counting 1 + 1 lol

 

[Rain Spectre]

Changing the subject because it's clear Shinuki is refusing to listen.

So, this is something I've been thinking about...how is the massive stack of series dropping in October going to effect Samurai 8's sales?

Because, looking at it, it's up against an insane amount of competition. It's up against the literal biggest manga out there (One Piece), two major parts of the modern era (Black Clover and Promised Neverland), a series which has utterly exploded this year with nothing stopping it (Kimetsu), two major rising stars of the roster (Jujutsu and Chainsaw), the most talked about new manga of the year by a signifigant margin (Spy x Family) and the penultimate and concluding volumes to two beloved series (Hinomaru and Soma). That's utterly insane, and it's made me wonder if the series will be effected in any way.

Like, I know opinions about S8 are quite polarizing, but it's hard to deny that it isn't really setting the world on fire even with Kishi's name attached to it. That, combined with the above mentioned competition, is making it kinda up to question if the series won't end up cannibalized under its own weight.

Edit: Yuuna and Boruto are also dropping that month as well. S8 is gonna be competing with 11 different series.

 

[Aipom626]

Didn't actually read the mangas yet just a quick look but i have to say, this last Taisei chapter is making me really want the manga to survive, what a crazy chapter and in a very good way lol

That's what I was saying earlier. The last few chapters have been really great, and not just great for Taisei, but just good in general. I really wish we could've been getting some insane shogi battles like this the entire time. This would've been a pretty unique and interesting way to develop the characters, but unfortunately, I think it's too late for its fate to change now. Actually, now that I think about it, this new playstyle could lead to some crazy shogi battle between Tai and Sei that takes place entirely in their own mind where no one holds back.

 

[Leoat12]

This is an impossible question to answer because it depends on a multitude of factors for example the budget of the reader, what he/she collects, what are their tastes, etc. I think even the most hardcore fans don't collect or even like all series mentioned to the point of buying the volumes.
Therefore, it ends up narrowing to a personal question and, personally, I wouldn't buy the volume.

 

[OtterBrigade]

I don't think that's really a fair question anyway. Even if say half that stuff was releasing in September or November instead I doubt there's many people who read exclusively Jump series that buy the volumes. It would always have to compete with Magazine/Sunday/Champion/etc series and sure those typically don't sell as well as Jump series added up there's probably a decent amount people who pick something from there over Samurai 8 and it ends up impacting sales so I don't think it matters how much Jump is releasing that month.

 

[therocomotion]

I personally think Yui was always supposed to have a genre switch, although it's not a particularly strong genre switch since it's still a romcom, but the mangaka was forced to pull the trigger early, introducing a Nurarihyon character to make it clear that they take place in the same continuity, due to the manga's poor early reception. Personally, I knew that it was going to end up being about Kiito making "cursed" girls fall for him as soon as as the doll girl was introduced.

 

[Shinuki no Reborn]

Preview of issue #42

What it's the name of the one shot? with the high quality version i noticed that the art seems a lot like Tosh's art

 

[IzayaDLL]

Preview of issue #42

What it's the name of the one shot? with the high quality version i noticed that the art seems a lot like Tosh's art

The name was not revealed yet. It's a romcom one-shot written by Nisio Isin & Tsukuda and drawn by Tosh.

 

[Shinuki no Reborn]

The name was not revealed yet. It's a romcom one-shot written by Nisio Isin & Tsukuda and drawn by Tosh.

Wow, really? didn't knew, kinda hyped, wonder if they're already looking up for a serialization

 

[Newkerzy]

Wow, really? didn't knew, kinda hyped, wonder if they're already looking up for a serialization

I dunno. Too many cooks spoil the broth, as they say. If this was a new series I'd be very, very worried.

 

[Shinuki no Reborn]

I dunno. Too many cooks spoil the broth, as they say. If this was a new series I'd be very, very worried.

I already find strange that they're pairing two writers for a romcom, unless NisioIsin is there to help with puzzles or something like that seeing the girl dressed like a detective, but Tsukuda and Tosh coming back not even a month after Souma ended seems to point in both of them being in very good terms with Shonen Jump.

 

[Tamil]

Two writers? Lmao

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I dunno. Too many cooks spoil the broth, as they say. If this was a new series I'd be very, very worried.

Hopefully its meant to be only a oneshot. I want Tosh to return by himself or without Tsukuda

 

[Paze]

One of the writers probably just came up with the original idea and pitches ideas rather then actually construct the story. My guess is Nisio since isn't he writing other novels right now?

 

[animeexpert]

Changing the subject because it's clear Shinuki is refusing to listen.

So, this is something I've been thinking about...how is the massive stack of series dropping in October going to effect Samurai 8's sales?

Because, looking at it, it's up against an insane amount of competition. It's up against the literal biggest manga out there (One Piece), two major parts of the modern era (Black Clover and Promised Neverland), a series which has utterly exploded this year with nothing stopping it (Kimetsu), two major rising stars of the roster (Jujutsu and Chainsaw), the most talked about new manga of the year by a signifigant margin (Spy x Family) and the penultimate and concluding volumes to two beloved series (Hinomaru and Soma). That's utterly insane, and it's made me wonder if the series will be effected in any way.

Like, I know opinions about S8 are quite polarizing, but it's hard to deny that it isn't really setting the world on fire even with Kishi's name attached to it. That, combined with the above mentioned competition, is making it kinda up to question if the series won't end up cannibalized under its own weight.

Edit: Yuuna and Boruto are also dropping that month as well. S8 is gonna be competing with 11 different series.

There is enough free spot for kishimoto S8, it's not like back in the 80's & 90's were it was all competitive. Taisei and beast and maybe TSS gonna get axed anyway, so what reason would they suddenly leave out S8?? Lmao. These couple batches has been disappointing anyway, (shouldve let saiyuki survive smh).

 

[Newkerzy]

Two writers? Lmao

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Hopefully its meant to be only a oneshot. I want Tosh to return by himself or without Tsukuda

After being serialized for 7+ years, Tosh should have enough experience on the do's and especially don'ts of writing manga. I think (hope) that Jump is more keen on letting try his hand at a serialization alone, or pair him up with someone else. Potential-wise, Tosh is raw, but someone worth taking a risk on.