Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2019] - Discussion and TOC Talk

[Caiops]

Well, i like To Love Ru :')

 

[Leoat12]

Tadahiro only drew Koisome Momiji. The author was Tsugirou Sakamoto.

Oh, yeah, I forgot that the detail. The best manga he has ever drawn then, no wonder the story was so good, he should pair up again with another author next time.

 

[Tamil]

Btw this is a pretty good resource for finding past ToC's. For WSJ it has it from 1999-2016

Weekly Shonen Jump Pure Rankings 1999

Volume 51 (6-12-1999) 1. One Piece 2. Seikimatsu Leader Den Takeshi! 3. Hanasaka Tenshi Tenten-kun 4. Prince of Tennis 5. Naruto 6. Zo...

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This archive is great because it accounts for CP/LCP/cover when providing the rankings. Unfortunately its from 1999-2016.

No way Shaman King ever outsold Yu Yu Hakusho

Shaman King has the kanzeban editions & the prequel/sequels which means it has a lot more # of volumes. It has 53 million copies in print and copies in print =/= copies sold. For example, Its like if you look at Kimetsu's copies in print of 10 million it comes out to 625k copies per volume and Kimetsu doesnt even sell that much.

I don't know how accurate this is but I heard One Piece and Takeshi are publicly known to have gotten first place ranking on their first chapters based interviews. Yet, if you trace back thier ToC, they don't get "1st rank" on thier 8 week mark.

It's totally accurate.

Spoiler

This was from a one shot that came out 2 years ago for the 20th anniversary of one piece depicting Shimabu & Oda's relationship. Awesome stuff


Anyway you probably read the ranking wrong as it doesn't tell us which series got CP/LCP/covers that issue which dont count for the ranking.

 

[Leoat12]

One Piece is one the cases that I would like to be there when it was first released to see my reaction and the reaction of all the people. Because we came to know One Piece when it was already the GOAT, but how it was when it started and nobody knew it would become this monstrous success? Someone imagined that it would be like this when they read it?

I think the closest I got from this feeling, personally, was when My Hero Academia started. I started to read the series and I loved it very much, it was the best I've read since Naruto and after some rankings and the volume sales, which were superb, I was sure it would be in the Pantheon of the mangas some day.
My intention is not to take a shot at MHA, but since then my liking of the series has subsided quite a lot, the story is not as appealing as it was in the beginning and now it is a normal manga to me, unfortunately.

Now the only manga I look forward to reading every week is One Piece, now more than ever with the battles coming.

 

[Koni]

I’m kinda surprised We Never Learn is leading the poll. I honestly thought one of the older manga would lead.

 

[TyVip]

Shuiesha knows it will be a big hit. 300,000 first print for a rookie AND it never left top 4 in the TOC since it debutted.

For me personally i know Food War and Assassination Classroom would be a hit when i read the first chapter back in 2012.

I think it is consensus that everyone that read TPN on this forum on that day knew it would be a hit. All except @Buranchi . I still remember you still have scar from the prervious batch (i think Bozebeat patch?), and refuse to read any series until you know it will survive lol.

 

[Halloween]

I think it is consensus that everyone that read TPN on this forum on that day knew it would be a hit. All except @Buranchi . I still remember you still have scar from the prervious batch (i think Bozebeat patch?), and refuse to read any series until you know it will survive lol.

I followed TPN from the beginning. You sure it wasn't a different series? I did say that, but I thought it was for a different series.

I wasn't upset about Bozebeats. I think I was upset about Red Sprite.

 

[Jovan]

I followed TPN from the beginning. You sure it wasn't a different series? I did say that, but I thought it was for a different series.

I wasn't upset about Bozebeats. I think I was upset about Red Sprite.

Ah, Bozebeats. Art was beyond good, shame everything else about it sucked.

 

[James Rye]

So technically the series isn't part of WSJ anymore since the beginning of the year since it moves to Jump SQ but looking at the current progression and the world building introduced in early chapters, had it stayed in WSJ and assuming the series had kept a high popularity, I think World Trigger could have been a series to easily go for the 500-600 chapters or maybe even more meaning around 8-10 years of serialization left in the tank. Now that the series has moved to SQ the author is doing 2 chapters a month meaning the pace of the series will be much slower and for a monthly series, at the rate of 2 chapters a week, the max it could do would be around 8 years of serialization still.
So how do you think the switch to monthly format is going to impact World Trigger? Do you see it as a series that can last that long in SQ now? Do you think the series could have survived for 500-600 chapter in WSJ?

I think that depends on both Ashiharas willingness for how far he intends to go for WT's story and how much Jump SQ is ready to give him time. Given that Ashihara worked like 2-3 years on the WT storyline before submitting his word to Jump and them accepting it and given that his neck injury is one of the kind that could and still might end his mangaka career, he might see WT as his final work so he might want to give his all into it no matter how many years it takes to properly tell a story. So far he hasn't speed up any of the Tournament Battles, they all still follow the same formula like when the series was still in Jump, so it doesn't look like he is racing against time. I could see him working more than 10 years on it if SQ lets him.
As for SQ I believe they will not want to get rid of WT as it has a steady and loyal fanbase that miraculously did not drop at all after that age-long (ok it was only two years but still) Hiatus and even increased its manga sales long after the anime ended. As long as Ahihara can deliver without dying they won't stop him and I doubt the japanese fans are yet tired of reading WT given the sales of its volume after the end of the Hiatus.
As for me I hope WT to go to 600+ chapters in total, I wanna see a lot of the neighborhood-world, the already mentioned neighbor-worlds that run freely and not fixed through the neighborhood, how Border keeps its Alien Tech safe from other nations who obviously would love to get their hands on tech that makes your soldiers immortal against normal human weapons and if Yuuma can still be saved or if one day his time has run out and if so what becomes of Osamu, Chika and Hyuse who I wonder if he will stay in Aftokrator after whatever happens there or if he decides to live on Earth from now on. And I wanna know what other Currys Ikoma finds delicious. XD

 

[Vizard]

Spoiler: Kuroko no Basket BOX 2 - Jump Premium BOX

Kuroko no Basket (Bunko Edition) #6-10

 

[Leoat12]

Shuiesha knows it will be a big hit. 300,000 first print for a rookie AND it never left top 4 in the TOC since it debutted.

For me personally i know Food War and Assassination Classroom would be a hit when i read the first chapter back in 2012.

I think it is consensus that everyone that read TPN on this forum on that day knew it would be a hit. All except @Buranchi . I still remember you still have scar from the prervious batch (i think Bozebeat patch?), and refuse to read any series until you know it will survive lol.

The editors know a lot of things, most of them wrong as you can see by the repeated blunders they think worth serializing. XD
But I was talking about the readers, not Shueisha.

Shokugeki no Soma I realized it would be good when Nikumi was introduced, more precisely the page below. Proof is that I remember it even now. It was not because she is a girl with this body and, you know what I mean, it was because the character design is very good, it shows a force that was spectacular. Unfortunately she became a comic relief after that. =/

Spoiler

Assassination Classroom was a surprise for me, it was too out of the standard to make success I thought, although it was good, the same feeling I had with Act-Age for that matter.

 

[Nemesis]

The editors know a lot of things, most of them wrong as you can see by the repeated blunders they think worth serializing. XD
But I was talking about the readers, not Shueisha.

Shokugeki no Soma I realized it would be good when Nikumi was introduced, more precisely the page below. Proof is that I remember it even now. It was not because she is a girl with this body and, you know what I mean, it was because the character design is very good, it shows a force that was spectacular. Unfortunately she became a comic relief after that. =/

Spoiler

Assassination Classroom was a surprise for me, it was too out of the standard to make success I thought, although it was good, the same feeling I had with Act-Age for that matter.

Honestly, that happens in pretty much all companies who publish comics and manga so it's just the reality of the industry. It's a gambling situation after all.

 

[Leoat12]

Honestly, that happens in pretty much all companies who publish comics and manga so it's just the reality of the industry. It's a gambling situation after all.

I know, I was just answering him about Shueisha knowing it would be a success.
However, there are some series that I seriously think the editors are insulting our intelligence by serializing.

 

[Rain Spectre]

Anyway you probably read the ranking wrong as it doesn't tell us which series got CP/LCP/covers that issue which dont count for the ranking.

Untrue:

WSJ 1997 Issue 41:

• Kirin ~The Last Unicorn~ Ch. 1
• Rurouni Kenshin Ch. 161
• I"s Ch. 21
• Seikimatsu Leader den Takeshi! Ch. 8
• Hoshin Engi Ch. 58
• One Piece Ch. 7
• Cool - Rental Body Guard - Ch. 2
• Hanasaka Tenshi Tenten-kun Ch. 29
• BØY Ch. 230
• Wild Half Ch. 83
• JoJo's Bizarre Adventure Ch. 520
• Yu-Gi-Oh! Ch. 48
• Kochikame Ch. 1038
• Jigoku Sensei Nūbē Ch. 196
• Makuhari Ch. 75
• Midori no Makibaō Ch. 131
• Joker Ch. 9
• Majima-kun Suttobasu!! Ch. 123
• Majojō ViVian Ch. 41

WSJ 1997 Issue 42

• Wild Half Ch. 84
• Cool - Rental Body Guard - Ch. 3
• Rurouni Kenshin Ch. 162
• Seikimatsu Leader den Takeshi! Ch. 9
• I"s Ch. 22
• One Piece Ch. 8
• BØY Ch. 231
• Hanasaka Tenshi Tenten-kun Ch. 30
• Kirin ~The Last Unicorn~ Ch. 2
• Hoshin Engi Ch. 59
• Kappa Revolution (though this bore the same author and title as the later serial that started a few months later, it is considered a precursor to that series)
• Jigoku Sensei Nūbē Ch. 197
• Kochikame Ch. 1039
• Yu-Gi-Oh! Ch. 49
• JoJo's Bizarre Adventure Ch. 521
• Majima-kun Suttobasu!! Ch. 124
• Makuhari Ch. 76
• Midori no Makibaō Ch. 132
• Majojō ViVian Ch. 42
• Joker Ch. 10

No matter how you slice it, there's no way that the TOC is a 1:1 of the survey results of eight weeks ago.

 

[Leoat12]

I was reading now the volume 7 of Act-Age and on the Iwao Yuujirou funeral we had a demonstration of how much Yonagi has grown, I'm so proud of her. What a character development along with her acting abilities.

 

[Tamil]

Untrue:

WSJ 1997 Issue 41:

• Kirin ~The Last Unicorn~ Ch. 1
• Rurouni Kenshin Ch. 161
• I"s Ch. 21
• Seikimatsu Leader den Takeshi! Ch. 8
• Hoshin Engi Ch. 58
• One Piece Ch. 7
• Cool - Rental Body Guard - Ch. 2
• Hanasaka Tenshi Tenten-kun Ch. 29
• BØY Ch. 230
• Wild Half Ch. 83
• JoJo's Bizarre Adventure Ch. 520
• Yu-Gi-Oh! Ch. 48
• Kochikame Ch. 1038
• Jigoku Sensei Nūbē Ch. 196
• Makuhari Ch. 75
• Midori no Makibaō Ch. 131
• Joker Ch. 9
• Majima-kun Suttobasu!! Ch. 123
• Majojō ViVian Ch. 41

WSJ 1997 Issue 42

• Wild Half Ch. 84
• Cool - Rental Body Guard - Ch. 3
• Rurouni Kenshin Ch. 162
• Seikimatsu Leader den Takeshi! Ch. 9
• I"s Ch. 22
• One Piece Ch. 8
• BØY Ch. 231
• Hanasaka Tenshi Tenten-kun Ch. 30
• Kirin ~The Last Unicorn~ Ch. 2
• Hoshin Engi Ch. 59
• Kappa Revolution (though this bore the same author and title as the later serial that started a few months later, it is considered a precursor to that series)
• Jigoku Sensei Nūbē Ch. 197
• Kochikame Ch. 1039
• Yu-Gi-Oh! Ch. 49
• JoJo's Bizarre Adventure Ch. 521
• Majima-kun Suttobasu!! Ch. 124
• Makuhari Ch. 76
• Midori no Makibaō Ch. 132
• Majojō ViVian Ch. 42
• Joker Ch. 10

No matter how you slice it, there's no way that the TOC is a 1:1 of the survey results of eight weeks ago.

And which series had CP/LCP/covers during that issue?

 

[Rain Spectre]

And which series had CP/LCP/covers during that issue?

The first ones, obviously, but the rest of the ones above it? Nada.

 

[ruggia]

And which series had CP/LCP/covers during that issue?

WSJ 1997 Issue 41:
Kirin Cover & LCP
One Piece CP

WSJ 1997 Issue 42:
I's Cover
Wild Half LCP
Cool - Rental Body Guard CP

 

[Tamil]

The first ones, obviously, but the rest of the ones above it? Nada.

Not always tho

Weekly Shonen Jump #1481 - No. 8, 1998 (Issue)

comicvine.gamespot.com

Takeshi is on the cover but its "ranked" as 5th on comicvinespot. It can be that comicvinespot didnt rank them according to the ToC

 

[OniluapL]

Not always tho

Weekly Shonen Jump #1481 - No. 8, 1998 (Issue)

comicvine.gamespot.com

Takeshi is on the cover but its "ranked" as 5th on comicvinespot. It can be that comicvinespot didnt rank them according to the ToC

The series that got the cover isn't ALWAYS first, though.