Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[WoWfan]

That is actually a pretty neat spell which jean mentioned that it would be a spell that is based on explosions, that would be more impressive than simply a stronger spell without any special ability behind it.

Freed does use it in battle, though it takes time, and it can be overridden.

I am just going to be clear about this, Erza like everyone else doesn’t need to know every spell in existence to justify that point, they can be versatile as they want to be or how they have been shown to

 

[Seven777]

Then laxus should have shown some secret art, king lightening dragon spell or something
Why one lightening that wahl couldnt analyse

Not in any real battle event
And levy doesnt really battle

Has natsu ever used ice make
Has erza ever used ice make
Had gray use requp

Can wendy use teleport magic
Abyss break might be a very horrible example
I think abyss break can be cast if you have great expertise over water ground fire and wind elements
Meaning if jellel can cast it then he should have water body or turn into the ground like that freaking elemental four did or that magic sucking spell aria used to do. I haven't seen jellal even use basic elemental spells in battle.
Fairy tail battle are simple. Everyone use their own magic. Even for trickery

Erza used Grand Chariot pretty well. Gray is using DeS pretty well. Gray used Invel's magic pretty well, August used other peoples magic pretty well, Wendy used Eileen's body switching spell pretty well, etc.

Jutsu Shiki has already been established as a magic multiple characters can learn to a limited extent, and Laxus is already established as a character that's skilled at using multiple types of magic. Laxus learning a Jutsu Shiki from Freed makes perfect sense, especially given the fact that Freed and Laxus came up with that specific plan before hand and Freed taught Laxus that specific Justsu Shiki.

 

[sharkai]

Laxus was not really an asspull, Laxus has been training, but think about it, if Laxus had fought against Wall’s proxy and won, that means the real Wall would have been prepared for this and knew not what to do for next time, and he said his speciality was overcoming his own weakness.

Actually that is not true as Evergreen could even write around Jutsu Shiki, like Levy could as well, regardless of how useful their usage of said magic is, they still used it, no matter what, even Erza used Jellal’s own spell before, even Jella could cast Abyss Break, something someone else could use.

@sharkai but still didn’t happen, I wonder if Jura May have held back in secret, we knew that he didn’t use his strongest move and would have likely ended in a draw at least. it is most impressive if a person overpowers their strongest spell and even hits said user with an even more powerful spell and still stand and the opponent who already was succumbing to grievous injuries, that by definition is a win for the user.

Wait, when did Erza fight Rufus with his eyes closed?

Hypothetical
Meaning
I am making an even up to make a point
Please reread my post
Jura beating laxus but having his most strongest spell being overcome
And erza beating an eyes closed rufus
Just an example never happened
Which one do you think would be more impressive

To me
Overpowering might be more impressive than defeating
To defeat you need alot of things
Like stemina skill speed power
To overpower you just show your power

Laxus defeated gmg jura
Means he was overall stronger
But i dont think he could overpower jura strongest move
Same for wahl
Laxus killed him
But the way i see it
If wahl used etherion
And laxus used red lightening
Laxus would have been overpowered and seriously injured
Wahl would have just looked smug
So yeah i find that more impressive

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Erza used Grand Chariot pretty well. Gray is using DeS pretty well. Gray used Invel's magic pretty well, August used other peoples magic pretty well, Wendy used Eileen's body switching spell pretty well, etc.

Jutsu Shiki has already been established as a magic multiple characters can learn to a limited extent, and Laxus is already established as a character that's skilled at using multiple types of magic. Laxus learning a Jutsu Shiki from Freed makes perfect sense, especially given the fact that Freed and Laxus came up with that specific plan before hand and Freed taught Laxus that specific Justsu Shiki.

Is that cannon
We will see if erza uses it again if not
Then that is non cannon

Nope
I will agree with other people using other people magic when i see erza teleporting, not blitzing, just teleporting behind laxus and stabbing him

Till then
plan or not
There are lot of magic which can.make life easier for our heros
But no one bothers

Our dragon slayers could really use some flying magic
Or teleporting magic
To avoid those motion sickness

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

Is that cannon

Movie is canon. It was mentioned in the 100 year quest. Kiria talked about 4th gens which is was created in stella.

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But doubt we will see it again. Mashima mostly uses Erza's red pants afterall.

 

[WoWfan]

I would say, hypothetical or no, I gave an answer to that question relating to Irene being victorious and not mattering, but that situation you made is really no different. It doesn’t matter if they do not use it again, if they have the magic they have it, best keep something that is for that purpose in the future

 

[sharkai]

Movie is canon. It was mentioned in the 100 year quest. Kiria talked about 4th gens which is was created in stella.

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But doubt we will see it again. Mashima mostly uses Erza's red pants afterall.

Then my point will still stand
Unless erza starts using gc in a convenient way
It was just used for shock effect

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I said, hypothetical or no, I gave an answer to that question, but that situation you made is really no different. It doesn’t matter if they do not use it again, if they have the magic they have it, best keep something that is for that purpose in the future

That will p!ss people off
Its like jacob not using transport

Ass pull is by definition something coming out of nowhere, cheating if you will
If natsu suddenly starts using meteor to move really fast to take out a villain who seems just few seconds ago unstoppable
Everyone will be screaming and rightly so Asspull

 

[WoWfan]

The movie is definitely canon in both the main FT manga and 100 year quest

Jacob does not teleport himself, and he was unable to fight back in the position he was in when Natsu used FDKM plus DF. Asspull is null if there was training involved, that is justified. It ain’t cheating as it was not a tournament, there is no cheating in training, every compétator does that. And even student study to get good grades. Just like how Mages study magic to learn new spells and/or hone their own skills

 

[Seven777]

Is that cannon
We will see if erza uses it again if not
Then that is non cannon

Nope
I will agree with other people using other people magic when i see erza teleporting, not blitzing, just teleporting behind laxus and stabbing him

Till then
plan or not
There are lot of magic which can.make life easier for our heros
But no one bothers

Our dragon slayers could really use some flying magic
Or teleporting magic
To avoid those motion sickness

Dunno, probably, everyone can use Jellal's magic now.

Nah, Jutsu Shiki is canonically a magic you can learn just by spending a lot of time around Freed, been that way since Tenrou. Laxus not knowing a bit of it would be more illogical.

 

[Axiomus]

How do you know that Jacob could not just tank the Demolition Fist? None of his attacks worked before.

Well the fact remains that Irene technically won, Erza was down and could not fight back while Irene was on her two feet, even Erza’s strongest attack failed.

Because he didn't tank the demolition fist that followed. The strongest attack Natsu used when they were inside the guild was about as powerful as a regulus Lucy kick. When Makarov punched Jacob, Jacob went flying. All Natsu had to do is hit him with the same demolition fist that he used against the War God.

Sure, Irene won. Doesn't change the fact that Erza outperformed Mirajane.

 

[WoWfan]

Because that Demolition Fist was powered by his FDKM. Not like the standard fist would which has less power than the FDKM would, Natsu has more Stars than Lucy did even with Regulus dress, like he was Country-Large country level at the time. I am going with what Hiro stated that Erza and Mira are the two strongest women in the guild.

 

[Axiomus]

Because that Demolition Fist was powered by his FDKM. Not like the standard fist would which has less power than the FDKM would, I am going with what Hiro stated that Erza and Mira are the two strongest women in the guild

FDK mode doesn't increase the power of his demolition fist. If you break down everything that happens when Natsu enters the mode, there's no reason why demolition fist should be more powerful. What happens when Natsu enters the mode? He releases a bunch of Fire Dragon King flames that covers himself and the surrounding area. What happens when Natsu uses Demolition Fist? He takes a bunch of Fire Dragon King flames in his fist, and punches you with it. When Natsu is entering FDK mode, he's not using a new type of fire. It's the same flames that he would use in any of his FDK spells. If anything, getting burned by the passive heat of the mode just means you have bad durability. It means that the flames don't even have to touch you for you to get burnt. People who can get hit by the actual flames and tank the blow are massively more impressive.

Imagine if Natsu went into LFD mode, and some guy starts getting shocked by the passive lightning jumping from Natsu's body. Then Natsu floors him with an LFD roar. Is that guy more impressive than people who can tank multiple LFD roars to the face? All because Natsu didn't shout "MODO RAIENRYU" and cover himself with lightning before he launched the attack?

That just means they are stronger than the other women. He's never stated that they're equal.

 

[Demon Hunter]

It is also pof, that is why you saw mavis and yuri

eh Laxus never saw Yuri at all.

that flashback was more or less there to show resemblances.

by no means Laxus went on with I'm gonna show you the power of friendship stuff.

Yuri isn't his friend.

you can say it was PoF all you like but the fact remains that Yuri ain't his friend.

Hypothetical
Meaning
I am making an even up to make a point
Please reread my post
Jura beating laxus but having his most strongest spell being overcome
And erza beating an eyes closed rufus
Just an example never happened
Which one do you think would be more impressive

To me
Overpowering might be more impressive than defeating
To defeat you need alot of things
Like stemina skill speed power
To overpower you just show your power

Laxus defeated gmg jura
Means he was overall stronger
But i dont think he could overpower jura strongest move
Same for wahl
Laxus killed him
But the way i see it
If wahl used etherion
And laxus used red lightening
Laxus would have been overpowered and seriously injured
Wahl would have just looked smug
So yeah i find that more impressive

except that's not how the fights go.

you don't always have to dish out your arsenal to know that you are weaker than someone.

for example:

I'm mad that no one went DF against Acnologia but that wouldn't make a difference at all if they went or LFDM Natsu vs Hades.

Laxus > Jura is legit and it was even brought up that Jura trained after GMG so that he can beat Laxus or something (keep in mind that Laxus vs Jura was mostly off panel so I'm confident that both of them used their strongest attacks).

 

[WoWfan]

There is absolutely reason for his attacks to increase because his mode gave that boost needed. Which is something that his standard form is incapable of which is the symbol of increased energy output. When he entered the FDKM mode his attacks do increase in power, that is how it works, it does not have to be different unless it is stated, like Igneel’s flames which supposedly bypasses Immortality. Jacob tanked both the mode and the DF, that is more impressive than a standard DF.

They are close enough to be rivals, especially when Mira fought and defeated Jacob who Natsu could defeat by using his stronger form

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@Jean Grey actually Natsu did go DF, you can see the scales when he launched his final attack, that was really the only way for Acnologia to be defeated is by another dragon, Gildarts brought that up before

 

[Axiomus]

There is absolutely reason for his attacks to increase because his mode gave that boost needed. Which is something that his standard form is incapable of which is the symbol of increased energy output. When he entered the FDKM mode his attacks do increase in power, that is how it works, it does not have to be different unless it is stated, like Igneel’s flames which supposedly bypasses Immortality. Jacob tanked both the mode and the DF, that is more impressive than a standard DF.

They are close enough to be rivals, especially when Mira fought and defeated Jacob who Natsu could defeat by using his stronger form

What boost?

• Does FDK mode create a new type of flame that is different from "regular" fire dragon king flames? No, it doesn't. It's the same "Fire Dragon King" flames.
• Does FDK mode create flames that are hotter than what Natsu can do with "regular" fire dragon king flames? No it doesn't. The hottest flames that Natsu has ever used is with a regular FDK spell without the mode, and that was largely because Natsu put more effort and power into that attack.
• Does FDK mode cause physical changes to Natsu's body? Not it doesn't. There are no physical changes to Natsu's body.
• Does FDK mode somehow boost the amount of magical power Natsu has access to? No it doesn't. Natsu's magical reserves doesn't change unless he's tapping into power of feelings. He should actually be using up magic power to maintain FDK mode.

Jacob didn't tank anything. Jacob was burnt by the flames released when Natsu entered FDK mode. He was on the verge of defeat even before any actual attack had landed. When Natsu actually hit Jacob with those flames, the attack knocked Jacob out cold.

Compare this to Madmole. Natsu tried to punch Madmole with FDK flames. Not only did the explosion not harm Madmole, but the force of Natsu's punch ended up hurting Natsu's own hand. Madmole then tossed Natsu around. In their rematch, Natsu tried even harder to burn Madmole with fire dragon king flames. This did some damage to Madmole, but ultimately Madmole got up again. Imagine if I said that all Natsu needs to do to beat someone that can tank his LFD roar is enter his LFD mode and let the lightning coming from his body zap the guy? Trying to say that Natsu can beat Madmole simply with the heat of FDK mode is on the same level of absurdity. Since when are the passive effects of the mode somehow stronger than the actual attacks?

 

[sharkai]

eh Laxus never saw Yuri at all.

that flashback was more or less there to show resemblances.

by no means Laxus went on with I'm gonna show you the power of friendship stuff.

Yuri isn't his friend.

you can say it was PoF all you like but the fact remains that Yuri ain't his friend.

except that's not how the fights go.

you don't always have to dish out your arsenal to know that you are weaker than someone.

for example:

I'm mad that no one went DF against Acnologia but that wouldn't make a difference at all if they went or LFDM Natsu vs Hades.

Laxus > Jura is legit and it was even brought up that Jura trained after GMG so that he can beat Laxus or something (keep in mind that Laxus vs Jura was mostly off panel so I'm confident that both of them used their strongest attacks).

Its pof
That why nonsense like those are shown
Speech is not required

I agree gmg laxus>gmg jura
But i dont know if laxus most powerful attack can overpower jura most powerful attack in gmg

 

[WoWfan]

Why does it have to be a different flame when it is simply an increase in one’s stats? The hottest flames he ever had made was with Savage Flames which warp Time itself, totally different. Modes don’t need to change the body, just what they use to increase one’s stats, no different from LFDM. Why would it boost his magical reserves, it is just his powers that are increased which is obvious even someone who hasn’t read the manga would see. By your logic, Jacob did not have any burn marks, yet without FDKM, Madmole was burned all over who both specializes in Durability and Heat resistence, that means Jacob is more impressive, that speaks a level of impressive showings. Even Madmole could not fight anymore afterward and that he was at a disadvantage. It doesn’t matter as the mode is better without the mode.

And from showings the mode is more powerful than standard techniques, where the attack that did Madmole in was no that large and didn’t destroy the ship, while FDKM disintegrated most of the lake and created a massive rig in the bedrock

 

[sharkai]

Dunno, probably, everyone can use Jellal's magic now.

Nah, Jutsu Shiki is canonically a magic you can learn just by spending a lot of time around Freed, been that way since Tenrou. Laxus not knowing a bit of it would be more illogical.

That isnt right
Is freed magic most easiest magic to learn?

It makes no sense,
If other characters arent doing something like this laxus becomes an anomaly
Thats is an asspull

I am sure you will love it if instead of laxus vs jellal
We are about to get now
Instead we get that erza had made some jutsu in that particular place where only erza can do magic. And she low diffs magicless laxus and jellal

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The movie is definitely canon in both the main FT manga and 100 year quest

Jacob does not teleport himself, and he was unable to fight back in the position he was in when Natsu used FDKM plus DF. Asspull is null if there was training involved, that is justified. It ain’t cheating as it was not a tournament, there is no cheating in training, every compétator does that. And even student study to get good grades. Just like how Mages study magic to learn new spells and/or hone their own skills

No training cant be used as an excuse like this
We have seen natsu gray laxus train
We know the result
No new magic
New spell of their own magic sure



Training makes you stronger
If after training gray started to use lightening magic against an opponent who is immune to ice but weak against lightening we all are gonna have problem

 

[WoWfan]

So what, they have new magic if they want if they train or study for it, they just focus on the magic they are affiliated with, and at times use new spells too, Icedd Shell is not part of Ice Make, like how Body link is not part of LDSM, or how Igneel’s flames are separate from Natsu’s own power, Yes it is, as both the mangas and anime have shown and stated. Training also means you can get more techniques, something that is very common in shonen. Gray already fought someone immune to ice magic and beat him, his name is Silver

 

[Jhonatas Fernandes]

I just remembered that Minerva easily tanked with her shield one attack from Natsu that is powerful enough to defeat Etherious Jackals.
Damn! Minerva is just so good without plot putting down her magic.

https://mangabeast.com/manga/Fairy-Tail/0283-014.png - https://mangabeast.com/manga/Fairy-Tail/0283-015.png - https://mangabeast.com/manga/Fairy-Tail/0283-016.png

 

[Demon Hunter]

Its pof
That why nonsense like those are shown
Speech is not required

speech is heavily required for overblown PoF.

you can call it a PoF but it isn't overblown like the one Natsu and Erza use.

especially since Red Lightning technically isn't a power up per say.

I agree gmg laxus>gmg jura
But i dont know if laxus most powerful attack can overpower jura most powerful attack in gmg

Laxus' most powerful attack is Fairy Law.