Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2019] - Discussion and TOC Talk

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All this talk about "2016 was some sort of apocalypsis for Jump since a lot of important titles ended", and me remembering 1995-1996 when Dragon Ball and Slam Dunk ended, yet 1-3 years after, One Piece, HxH and Naruto appeared.
 

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Well, in terms of stability, the issue is that we have no idea where it'll go. Of the current roster, TPN is ending in about two months, WNL in three and KNY most likely a few months after that (let's say April). Likewise, the chances of Yuuna ending in that time period are relatively high (one ecchi manga can only sustain itself for so long at this point, especially when Jump appears to have stopped advertising it), and there's also a fair chance towards Dr Stone in the next eight months depending on how the current arc concludes. Add in the four obvious cancellation fodder, Samurai 8 (which is flopping like a fish) and the empty slot, and you are left with just seven established members of the roster (One Piece, Haikyu, MHA, BC, Act-Age, Jujutsu and Chainsaw), plus the two newbies (Yozakura and Mitama).

That's literally more than half the magazine which will most likely be gone in less than a year. Even less if you argue Yozakura and Mitama have no chance, though for benefit of the argument I'm going to grant them such, though neither series is looking especially likely (I'm still holding out for Yozakura right now, though).

The question becomes, how exactly do we fill up the massive hole that is opening up, without making a bigger mess of what we already have? There's really no easy solution here, especially with how the market itself has changed per Nakano.
Where did you came out with the 3 months for WNL?
 

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It's not insecurity based on nothing though, it really happens. People who don't know anything about mangas or comics in general think it is something for children, principally in Brazil, now talking specifically about it, where the majority of them are obviously for kids, Disney comics, Mauricio de Souza, etc.
Who ever heard about mangas have a misconception that everything is ******. So either you are a kid, a perverted reading ****** or a perverted reading lolicon. That's about it. So we have to somehow educate people on that.

However, the ideia that Shounen Jump is for kids is not true even in Japan since the majority of the readers are not even kids anymore at least since I started reading it. It already became an universal magazine that can entertain anybody, from kids to adults, men and women.
It’s not so much that Jump is a kiddie magazine.
It’s just meant to appeal to children, but adults also enjoy.


And to contribute to the previous convo, Jump is in absolutely no danger. It can lose 4 big hits. Either for new hits will emerge, or one of our current new comers will prove itself to be a hit. Business as usual. The magazine won’t take a hit
 

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All this talk about "2016 was some sort of apocalypsis for Jump since a lot of important titles ended", and me remembering 1995-1996 when Dragon Ball and Slam Dunk ended, yet 1-3 years after, One Piece, HxH and Naruto appeared.
extacly, thats the magic of jump. hits always come and go, we always had that in every era.
 

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All this talk about "2016 was some sort of apocalypsis for Jump since a lot of important titles ended", and me remembering 1995-1996 when Dragon Ball and Slam Dunk ended, yet 1-3 years after, One Piece, HxH and Naruto appeared.
Will we have titles like One Piece, HxH and Naruto again? Specially One Piece, it wouldn't be an exaggeration to say that it sells almost more than the rest of the magazine combined. Nobody will replace One Piece once it is done.
Unless digital sales are making a huge difference, which we don't know since they don't make it public, the sales of the series are decreasing comparing to the past. The hits now sell less than the hits in the past, in short.

It’s not so much that Jump is a kiddie magazine.
It’s just meant to appeal to children, but adults also enjoy.


And to contribute to the previous convo, Jump is in absolutely no danger. It can lose 4 big hits. Either for new hits will emerge, or one of our current new comers will prove itself to be a hit. Business as usual. The magazine won’t take a hit
That's what I've been saying this entire time. lol
It will once One Piece ends, that's for sure. When Dragon Ball ended the sales of the magazines substantially dropped from one week to the other.
 

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You know what, I'm sure when Slam Dunk and DBZ came out and ended, people said the same thing "We will never have a series that sells so much or be so big" and then came OP who surpassed all those and Naruto who essentially reached those levels not just in Japan and globally as well and also series like Bleach, Prince of Tennis, Gintama, HxH, Death Note all being almost as big and influential in their own ways.
Pretty sure people would've said the same thing when Kochikame first became super popular.
 

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I agree, One Piece ending will obviously cause the magazine to take a hit, because that’s obviously a special case.
But even then, I’m sure Jump will find their next phenomenon after One Piece ends(though idk if they’ll ever get another action adventure series that spans over 20 years and 100+ volumes.)

But how many ppl really believe that there’s a high percentage of ppl who by the magazine ONLY for We Never Learn, ONLY for Demon Slayer, and ONLY for Neverland.
I’m sure there are some. But most readers by the magazine probably read multiple series in the Magazine and will just move on to new series that appear in the magazine
 

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You know what, I'm sure when Slam Dunk and DBZ came out and ended, people said the same thing "We will never have a series that sells so much or be so big" and then came OP who surpassed all those and Naruto who essentially reached those levels not just in Japan and globally as well and also series like Bleach, Prince of Tennis, Gintama, HxH, Death Note all being almost as big and influential in their own ways.
Pretty sure people would've said the same thing when Kochikame first became super popular.
Do you think it will have another series that has sold 4 million at its peak like One Piece? All of the series in the magazine either are in its peak or are ending, all of them are far from reaching One Piece level.
What I'm trying to say is that now the magazine has some leverage because it has One Piece to absorb losses, but once it doesn't have and they have to manage the magazine with series selling 600k~ at most, then things will start to get a little more crazy, they will not have the luxury of waiting to see the series flourishing like Nakano is doing.
 

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You know what, I'm sure when Slam Dunk and DBZ came out and ended, people said the same thing "We will never have a series that sells so much or be so big" and then came OP who surpassed all those and Naruto who essentially reached those levels not just in Japan and globally as well and also series like Bleach, Prince of Tennis, Gintama, HxH, Death Note all being almost as big and influential in their own ways.
Pretty sure people would've said the same thing when Kochikame first became super popular.
history repeats itself :eyeroll
 

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I agree, One Piece ending will obviously cause the magazine to take a hit, because that’s obviously a special case.
But even then, I’m sure Jump will find their next phenomenon after One Piece ends(though idk if they’ll ever get another action adventure series that spans over 20 years and 100+ volumes.)

But how many ppl really believe that there’s a high percentage of ppl who by the magazine ONLY for We Never Learn, ONLY for Demon Slayer, and ONLY for Neverland.
I’m sure there are some. But most readers by the magazine probably read multiple series in the Magazine and will just move on to new series that appear in the magazine
20 years and sells millions in this span. Do you guys really understand what One Piece is? Because I'm starting to doubt... XD

Yeah, it would be a waste of money. I, personally, think that the magazine concept as a whole is a waste of money for customers, that's why I read only volumes. I don't read even 50% of the magazine and would buy a magazine that costs more or less half of the price of a volume, bulky with bad paper quality that I would just discard in some week sanyway. With the digital advent and ESJ subscription, it is more worth it, it is cheap and I have access to its entire vault, not only current series. I think the idea of Manga Plus in the future is to do this. Another idea is to pay for chapter or pay for some coins that you exchange for chapters like some apps do. I prefer paying some cents for each chapter of the series I really care than paying for the entire magazine reading 50% of it. It is also a great way to measure popularity. Vote for a series is one thing, buy the chapter each week is another, when money is directly involved people think it through much more.
 

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You know what, I'm sure when Slam Dunk and DBZ came out and ended, people said the same thing "We will never have a series that sells so much or be so big" and then came OP who surpassed all those and Naruto who essentially reached those levels not just in Japan and globally as well and also series like Bleach, Prince of Tennis, Gintama, HxH, Death Note all being almost as big and influential in their own ways.
Pretty sure people would've said the same thing when Kochikame first became super popular.
I thought about this and I'm not entirely sure. Though op outsold db and naruto outsold sd, if you divide the total number of sales by number of volumes, SD and DB still sold more per volume on average. As for the physical magazine even as op, naruto, bleach, etc. became hits the circulation still kept dropping too. I don't know if a manga series could possibly hit peaks like naruto or op again, since Japan's population is decreasing and manga has to compete with things like YouTube and videogames much more. When naruto and op hit their stride home computers were only beginning to be common.
 

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Sales /=/ Impact.

Also, when you wanna argue, do remember Nisekoi is easily the biggest romcom in Jump in terms of scope. Video Girl Ai and Kimagure did well, yes, but that was during the Golden Age, when titles were selling like gangbusters and Jump was the actual king of the industry, not to mention the former only ran for 13 volumes. TLR meanwhile was actually selling the least of any series in the Big 3 Era, that just looks still big today because that was the absolute peak in average volume sales for Jump manga.

Nisekoi meanwhile is not only the longest romcom Jump has ever had (for better or worse), but it's the one with the biggest influence on Jump during its run. It was consistently in the Top 5 or near the Top 5 in terms of best-selling titles in the magazine, it had crossovers, spinoffs, side material, what have you. It was a bigger part of Jump as a brand than any of those series you mentioned, and was easily the biggest romcom in the industry while it was running (whereas Kimagure and Ai would've been overshadowed by whatever Takahashi and Adachi were doing over in Sunday).
What?The impact and influence of Kimagure was huge, Madoka(one of the first tsunderes) and Lum were one of the most well known anime characters in the 80s and cemented what Maison Ikkoku began.
And in europe, along with Dragon ball and other series, helped to make popular the anime/manga in the continent.

And if we go to 10s romcom, I doubt Nisekoi made a huge impact. What romcom was influence by Nisekoi ? WNL is the only it come to my mind, I have seen more series that could be influence by School rumble and Cross game (both 00s rom com) than Nisekoi.

I think that Nisekoi is more like the Friday 13th of romcom, both are the longest franchise, both were a 'copy a popular concept to make money' (Friday 13th was Halloween 2.0 and Nisekoi was Love Hina 2.0) and both were a fun series/film that if you like that type of genre you will like the series. But unlike Jason Vorgees, I doubt Nisekoi made an impact in the romcom genre, because Nisekoi never try to be diferent (and that isn't a bad thing, tho, the first film of Jason was mediocre).
 

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20 years and sells millions in this span. Do you guys really understand what One Piece is? Because I'm starting to doubt... XD

Yeah, it would be a waste of money. I, personally, think that the magazine concept as a whole is a waste of money for customers, that's why I read only volumes. I don't read even 50% of the magazine and would buy a magazine that costs more or less half of the price of a volume, bulky with bad paper quality that I would just discard in some week sanyway. With the digital advent and ESJ subscription, it is more worth it, it is cheap and I have access to its entire vault, not only current series. I think the idea of Manga Plus in the future is to do this. Another idea is to pay for chapter or pay for some coins that you exchange for chapters like some apps do. I prefer paying some cents for each chapter of the series I really care than paying for the entire magazine reading 50% of it. It is also a great way to measure popularity. Vote for a series is one thing, buy the chapter each week is another, when money is directly involved people think it through much more.
Will finding the next One Piece be easy? No.
It’s very likely that nothing will ever come close to One Piece’s overall sales.
But I don’t think Jump is just NEVER gonna find a huge megaseller like that again after One Piece ends.
As someone said, I’m sure ppl thought “they’ll never have another Dragon Ball it Slam Dunk again” when discussing those series ending
 

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Do you think it will have another series that has sold 4 million at its peak like One Piece? All of the series in the magazine either are in its peak or are ending, all of them are far from reaching One Piece level.
Again, I'm very sure that before One Piece came, people said the same thing about DBZ and SD.
The manga industry did get the "next big thing" with Shingeki no Kyojin. It just wasn't WSJ or even Shueisha. It has sold 80 million in Japan in the last 10 years and if it survives for another 10, it can easily reach 130-150 million. It was basically the only series that legit gave OP volumes a run for its money before One Piece got another big boost to reach that 4 million peak.
It really isn't wrong to think that OP can be topped. How or when that happens is up in the air.
But what we can say based on WSJ's history is that when it needed a next big thing, something always stood up and took over that role. So lets wait.
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I thought about this and I'm not entirely sure. Though op outsold db and naruto outsold sd, if you divide the total number of sales by number of volumes, SD and DB still sold more per volume on average. As for the physical magazine even as op, naruto, bleach, etc. became hits the circulation still kept dropping too. I don't know if a manga series could possibly hit peaks like naruto or op again, since Japan's population is decreasing and manga has to compete with things like YouTube and videogames much more. When naruto and op hit their stride home computers were only beginning to be common.
SnK, Kingdom, AC all hit their strides in the 2010s. They are proof that if something is good and interesting and is something that the majority find interesting, then it can be done.
 

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Interesting. I wonder if this will become a trend. If they're doing the train arc as a movie, then I could definitely picture the Red Light District arc as a movie too.
 

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Honestly, I don't mind the train arc having a film adaptation, especially if it's a little under two hours long. However, I wouldn't be happy with the Red Light District arc getting the same treatment. That arc is too long to fit into a movie.
 

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It was basically the only series that legit gave OP volumes a run for its money before One Piece got another big boost to reach that 4 million peak.
That's actually not quite true.
Here are the 5 volumes the closest ever to a One Piece volume according to Oricon:
n°5 - 2009
One Piece 55: 1,810,410
Nana 21: 1,505,575

Difference: -304,835

n°4 - 2013
One Piece 72: 2,354,005
Attack on Titan 9: 1,950,807

Difference: -303,298

n°3 - 2016
One Piece 83: 2,287,521
Attack on Titan 18: 1,983,248

Difference: -204,273

n°2 - 2008
One Piece 49: 1,544,000
Nana 20: 1,431,335

Difference: -112,665

n°1 - 2008
One Piece 49: 1,544,000
Nana 19: 1,645,128

Difference: +101,128 (!)
(The other One Piece volumes of 2008 sold the following :
One Piece 50: 1,678,208
One Piece 51: 1,646,978)

While Oricon's 2008 numbers are less than reliable, it still seems like Nana did give One Piece a run for its money, meaning that pre-boost One Piece did not dominate the market that hard.
Moreover, One Piece exploded in popularity in 2010-2011, Attack on Titan came close to it after, not before, thanks to its 2013 boost. And that's not even all, since the closest AoT ever came to One Piece (Edit: I'm talking about sales per volume) was in 2016, way after both of their boosts!
 
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